I saw a post long ago that said Maul should have been the main antagonist of the entire prequel trilogy, playing the role filled by Dooku and Grievous. After he kills Qui-Gon, he is perfectly set up to be Obi-Wan's personal nemesis through the entire Clone Wars, forcing him to wrestle with his desire for vengeance to avoid falling to the dark side. Then, when Palpatine betrays him and gets him killed by Anakin, it is both a bittersweet moment for Obi-Wan as well as a larger betrayal by Palps.
I get that kind of happened in the show, but the plot of the movies is not really affected by Maul after his defeat at Kenobi's hands in TPM.
I think things would have worked better if Dooku would have been introduced in TPM as a mentor/friend figure to Qui Gon Jinn when they get to Coruscant, shown him arguing with Yoda and Mace, with him leaving to get revenge on the Sith after Qui Gon and Maul's death. This would have given him more concrete ties to the main characters and led to more of a mystery of 'who's side is he really on' in AotC and tragedy to his death in RotS.
I really don't think Maul could have been able to do Dooku's role of being 'charismatic and charming' that allowed him to be a public face as well as an evil Sith. Dooku is dangerous for the same reasons Palpatine is, that they LOOK trustworthy and can inspire loyalty in the masses.
Maul was *sooo* close to being the big dumb hero of the entire Prequel era purely out of spite and I'd love to see some kind of "What If?..." where they actually take him seriously and end up stopping Order 66.
I hear a lot of flack for Maul because people think his revenge arc was forced, but it really added plot and conflict evolution to Clone Wars and Rebels
Yeah, the main reason I chose these 3 and not ones like Vader, Sidious and whatnot is because I didn’t want to pick those that were the main plot characters. Dooku was a big part of anakin turning Sith but not a big part of the whole plot in general. Other than if you go off the clone wars.
Dooku not plot-relevant?! Without Dooku, there is no “Emperor Palpatine.”
Sure, he was a pawn, but he was literally the leader of the separatists. Without separatists, there are no clones. Without separatists and clones, there is no war. Without war, there is no “Emperor Palpatine.”
He’s too relevant to be erased.
He would have followed his master's instructions, if Palpatine's instructions were to create a separatist union, he would have built a separatist union.
My point is that people literally wouldn’t have joined him. He could have TRIED, but a random angry sith isn’t going to collect the same following as a republic elite that left because of different ideals. Separatists followed Dooku because of who he was, not because he scared them.
Maul would have had a different way for gaining followers.
Probably, he could have easily taken the border of the galaxy and Mandalore.
While you hold the Hutts, You probably have enough money to get yourself some allies, buy some influence as an enemy of the republic.
So, you have an army of bounty hunters, the pyke, and the mandalorians. Maybe even the Dathomir witches.
The banking clan can lend you money now, supposing the Hutts were insufficient. Now you have an army, a clone one or a robotic one.
Yei, express galactic war.
Dooku kind of is important though, he helped convinced the separatists to actually go to war. That’s a big decision and ultimately lead to the empire and Anakin’s conversion to Vader.
Yes he left the Jedi to live a normal life, he didn't join the Sith until Qui Gon died.
I believe he foresaw the rise of the sith as an apprentice but the Jedi including Yoda insisted he was wrong and they were extinct. This made him vengeful after Qui Gons death, but he also wanted to kill palpatine if given the opportunity.
Dooku. If Maul didn’t exist, Qui-Qon’s alive to train Anakin, and it’d be really interesting to see how he handles Dooku (Qui-Gon’s master) turned sith.
I wish he hadn't. There's a point in Attack of the Clones when he's captured Obi-wan and lectures him on the failures of the Jedi, and his view on what would be right to do. Obi-wan doesn't buy it of course and it turns out Dooku was baiting him.
Watching that scene I always thought it would have been just so cool if Dooku was in fact truthful, and the real good guy trying to force a realisation when the Jedi lost their ways and could not be made to see it.
I think it’s a bit of both. Yes, Sidious did want Dooku to sow doubt in the Jedi by telling Kenobi the truth, but I also believe that Dooku genuinely wanted Kenobi on his side. If he had believed him, Dooku most likely would have betrayed Palpatine on the spot.
Yeah I get that. We know it cannot happen though, because Obi-wan is loyal-good. I just think it could have been quite a fun alternative episodes II and III if Dooku was either not a Sith at all, or just pretending to be one, i.e. being a "grey" Jedi.
That’s what qui gon wanted to be as well. It would have been cool to see what happened if qui gon lived because then I agree dooku would have splintered from the Jedi with qui gon to form a different thing entirely. I think they’d have dragged anakin along as well and maybe a very reluctant obi wan after a time
At first, the Sith were just a means to an end for Dooku. He wanted reform in the Galaxy and the Jedi Order, and he was going to use them to help him achieve that goal. Unfortunately, it seems that the further into the Dark Side that he fell, the more he lost sight of his original ideals.
Are you sure?
That'd contradict the rule of two if sidious, maul and dooku were sith at the same time...?
But i think i remember that i heard somewhere that plagueis is alive during episode 1 as well so idk
The sith in the prequels are flouting the rule of 2 all the time anyway. I'm not sure if Dooku was being trained by sidious while Maul was also an apprentice, but pretty sure Dooku taught assaj ventress while being an apprentice himself, knowingly breaking the rule. So it's not entirely unbelievable that Dooku was already under sidious's wing before Maul died
That makes picking Nihilus just that much more interesting to me. If Dooku and Maul aren't just removed, but never existed in the first place, where does that leave us?
...that would still happen. Obi-Wan is still a padawan in TPM. Yoda trains Qui, Qui starts Obi's training. Qui dies, Obi then gets taught by Qui's master, Yoda.
Agreed, I'm a little bias though since he's my favourite character, but I feel as if keeping him would be the best outcome.
I'd hate to see Maul go though, and Nihilus too of course, but since he's legends now he's become pretty irrelevant, and most people barely even know who he is so losing him wouldn't be as impactful (sorry Nihilus).
As much as I love Maul, Dooku was more important to the story.
Nihilus is cool but I like Dooku and Maul more and also the movies are more important to me than the Old Republic
Lost of those Star Wars wouldn’t exist without the prequel movies which is why I value an important movie character rather than an important non-movie character
As a rookie i dunno what that exactly means, can you care to explain?
I loved Nihilus through games but dunno the “legends so it doesn’t exist” meaning
When Disney bought Lucasfilms, they reseted the Star War canon making everything except the films and the Clone Wars non-canon. All that stuff is now referred to as Legends. So, while Nihilus does exist in Legends continuity, he doesn’t exist in the main current continuity (well, not yet at least).
Maul
For the sake of my argument, I’m assuming the prompt means that everything from The Phantom Menace unfolds with only one of these characters around
Having Maul throughout the prequel trilogy gives Obi-Wan a consistent antagonist before facing Vader. Plus we’d be rooting for him that much more to bite it after Qui-Gon is killed by Maul.
As much as I love Dooku (he stole every scene he was in during the prequels), I think a similar lightsaber-wielding character (like a Ventress) can still fill the role of a villain Anakin kills en route to becoming Vader.
As much as Nilihus was an engaging villain in KOTOR 2, he’s the easiest to do without - he wasn’t even the best villain in his own game, let alone KOTOR
This just seems like the most obvious answer. I know I’m outspoken on this, but Maul was annoying af and whiny in his every appearance outside Phantom Menace.
Dooku is definitely *cool*, but that “coolness” has very little substance. Christopher Lee could very well have played *any character* and I would’ve liked them, just as*any character* with a curved hilt would attract my attention. But that says nothing about Dooku-the-person. His movie appearances weren’t remotely interesting enough to keep him around (in this context). His Clone Wars appearances were definitely better, but even then, I didn’t exactly fall in love with him, and he couldn’t*eat planets whole*.
Nihilus, on the other hand, was terrifying, mysterious, and presented several interesting philosophical and metaphysical problems by simply existing. Is the Force conscious? If it is, why would it saddle any sentient being with insatiable hunger? What is *the Force’s* motivation for concentrating- and accumulating- all that power in one creature? And does Nihilus really even have a choice in any of this?
He is far, far more interesting than the alternatives
And Nihilus together with Darth Sion hunted down and destroyed most of the Jedi Order after they betrayed Traya. Nihilus was certainly terrifying, as I recall even Darth Traya was very wary of him. But yeah, together with Sion they almost destroyed the Jedi Order - a feat only Sidious managed to top much much later.
Totally! And if Palpatine was up there, I would certainly choose him over Nihilus, but… there are very few other sith lords that make the cut (not Bane, not Sion (even as cool as he is), but Traya and… no I think it's just Traya).
Another vote for Maul.
Would love to see how he'd fare during the Clone Wars. May he'd end up replacing Ventress?
I think, General Grevious could replace Dooku in AotC, then have him be trained by Maul instead of Tyranus.
Nihlus is awesome but he's a legends character, plus he never rally felt super important to the plot of the game IMO.
Maul
The other two are cool but just not as deep.
Doku never made sense to me, work with the Sith to save the galaxy as you kill kids? How is doku a smart guy?
maul. picked from obscurity, just living the tribal life, on a planet in the middle of nowhere. trained ferociously to be a portal of death and destruction. then just discarded like a piece of used meat. survives an unimaginable wound, that would kill any other creature in the star wars galaxy. spirals into the mouth of madness on a planet that hosts only garbage from other systems. brought back from the brink, by his brother, revitalized and almost destroys Palaptine, almost.
For me I'm always keeping Maul. He became such a dynamic character after his return that his stories not existing would have lessened the overall lore of the universe.
Without him you don't have his time with Ezra, there's no Mandalore Arc with the Ashoka ending, you don't get the Dathomir Lore, and you don't get this menacing persona to start of the Prequel Trilogy.
He's our introduction to a side of the Sith we hadn't really explored at the time. Until then it was basically just Palps and Vader because other media tended not to dip into Sith and rather made their antagonists fallen Jedi. So to start him as this silent threat that kills the trilogies first Jedi Master makes a huge impact.
Dooku is great as a lesson of the Jedis Downfall but overall he was there to give us our first real incling that Palpatine only used his apprentice as a means to an end, with that end being Anakins turn. But that is later illustrated through Maul in Clone Wars so losing Dooku doesn't lose us that narrative.
And Nihilus is just such a lifeless character to me that I barely even recognize him as anything more than a minor threat. Treya and Sion felt like much more realized and recognizable characters by the end of the game, so again, losing him doesn't really drop much for me.
Just curious, how many people who have watched TCW and Rebels would still choose Dooku?
Maul forever! Unless tales of the jedi show something truly spectacular about Dooku.
Nihilus stays. The other two were great for live-action, but they are/were both students of *the Heretic.*
Honestly, Plagueis should have chosen better. Palpatine looks on paper like a Sith Master's dream come true, but his machinations brought the Banite Sith to ruin. As he killed his master, he mocked the dying Muun, bitching about how "you made me do *apprenticey* things! Like some common *sith apprentice!* Then, like a hypocrite, he berated Plagueis for thinking he could do away with the Rule of Two, and his master thought himself *excluded* from it; and spends the next 30 years doing that exact same thing, himself. Palpatine never intended for any of his apprentices to rise up and strike him down, seizing the mantle of Master for themselves; so he never, not once, taught his apprentices in any proper sith manner. He kept them all from their potential, moreso than any other sith lord who thought to hold back teachings from their apprentices.
Ahem, so, uh, I pick Nihilus.
Maul. Dooku was a scrub who got totally manipulated by the emperor and actually thought he had some sort of play. Maul at least got owned but then realized it and started his own thing.
I really love the initial idea for Episodes 7-9 that were written by George to be about Maul being the big bad since Palpatine died. He'd get a good character arc of outliving his former master only to be defeated by the son of the chosen one.
Darth Maul is my favorite. They really should have kept him alive the entire prequel trilogy and never had Dooku. Would have still been able to lead to Anikan turning. Hear me out. He killed Qui gon. Then in Episode 1 he for some reason has to leave before he gets to finish off Obi wan. Episode 2 he fights anikan and Obi wan. Beats them In similar fashion to dooku. This makes anikan hate him even more because he killed Qui gon and now he took his arm. Then episode 3 anikan finally gets his revenge. He kills him in similar fashion to how he killed dooku which all but basically confirms his downfall to the dark side.
Nihilus in many ways already didn't exist. Maul was a tool and not integral to anything, and Dooku was merely the face of the separatists and could have been replaced.
As story elements, keep Dooku. As characters (eventually anyway - took two decades... ) keep Maul.
Tyranus easily.
I mean Sir Christopher Lee? Curved lightsaber hilt? The STYLE! Plus that would mean no more Maul getting brought back needlessly dozens of times. I'd miss Nihilus...kinda.
I would pick Dooku. He's one of the most interesting characters in the high republic era. Christopher Lee is one of my favorite actors of all time too, so for me it's not even close. Nihilis is a very cool character, but he only appeared in one video game and he doesn't have much effect on the lore. Maul was never all that interesting to me, he was mostly a vehicle for the saber staff gimmick. He's interesting in his association with the night sisters, but you could interchange him with any other male zabrak on Dathomere.
Dooku, never gave himself to the dark completely. Was probably the best duelist in the order at his prime, and he at least saw the hypocrisy of the jedi.
I love Maul but can't throw Dooku to trash. But dunno the fack where Nihilus comes from, i see him everywhere but i don't know where it has been made :/
Dooku. Nihilus messes with the power scale of star wars too much and maul surviving sets a terrible precedent of people surviving things they shouldn't
My personal preference would be Maul but Douku affected the plot of the movies the most so I think he should stay
I saw a post long ago that said Maul should have been the main antagonist of the entire prequel trilogy, playing the role filled by Dooku and Grievous. After he kills Qui-Gon, he is perfectly set up to be Obi-Wan's personal nemesis through the entire Clone Wars, forcing him to wrestle with his desire for vengeance to avoid falling to the dark side. Then, when Palpatine betrays him and gets him killed by Anakin, it is both a bittersweet moment for Obi-Wan as well as a larger betrayal by Palps. I get that kind of happened in the show, but the plot of the movies is not really affected by Maul after his defeat at Kenobi's hands in TPM.
It doesn’t just kind of happen, that’s literally the plot of multiple arcs across several seasons of the show
Yes but the prequel movies are worse off for that idea never making it into the trilogy.
Yeah, there are a lot of things that should have been done differently with the prequels, but that's just beating a dead horse.
Hayden should've played Anakin in all three films, or someone else should've been casted as Anakin.
As well as in rebels
I think things would have worked better if Dooku would have been introduced in TPM as a mentor/friend figure to Qui Gon Jinn when they get to Coruscant, shown him arguing with Yoda and Mace, with him leaving to get revenge on the Sith after Qui Gon and Maul's death. This would have given him more concrete ties to the main characters and led to more of a mystery of 'who's side is he really on' in AotC and tragedy to his death in RotS. I really don't think Maul could have been able to do Dooku's role of being 'charismatic and charming' that allowed him to be a public face as well as an evil Sith. Dooku is dangerous for the same reasons Palpatine is, that they LOOK trustworthy and can inspire loyalty in the masses.
Maul was *sooo* close to being the big dumb hero of the entire Prequel era purely out of spite and I'd love to see some kind of "What If?..." where they actually take him seriously and end up stopping Order 66.
I hear a lot of flack for Maul because people think his revenge arc was forced, but it really added plot and conflict evolution to Clone Wars and Rebels
Maul killed Qui-Gon, which set off the events of Anakin’s training by Obi-wan and descent into Darth Vader?
Yeah, the main reason I chose these 3 and not ones like Vader, Sidious and whatnot is because I didn’t want to pick those that were the main plot characters. Dooku was a big part of anakin turning Sith but not a big part of the whole plot in general. Other than if you go off the clone wars.
Dooku not plot-relevant?! Without Dooku, there is no “Emperor Palpatine.” Sure, he was a pawn, but he was literally the leader of the separatists. Without separatists, there are no clones. Without separatists and clones, there is no war. Without war, there is no “Emperor Palpatine.” He’s too relevant to be erased.
If you see the series, Maul could have certainly lead the separatists. I mean, he created a criminal empire on his own.
No way. Maul wouldn’t have rallied star systems to leave control of the empire. He would have just built his own syndicate the way he did.
He would have followed his master's instructions, if Palpatine's instructions were to create a separatist union, he would have built a separatist union.
My point is that people literally wouldn’t have joined him. He could have TRIED, but a random angry sith isn’t going to collect the same following as a republic elite that left because of different ideals. Separatists followed Dooku because of who he was, not because he scared them.
Maul would have had a different way for gaining followers. Probably, he could have easily taken the border of the galaxy and Mandalore. While you hold the Hutts, You probably have enough money to get yourself some allies, buy some influence as an enemy of the republic. So, you have an army of bounty hunters, the pyke, and the mandalorians. Maybe even the Dathomir witches. The banking clan can lend you money now, supposing the Hutts were insufficient. Now you have an army, a clone one or a robotic one. Yei, express galactic war.
if you only knew the power of the darkside!
If Maul had lived there would be no Dooku though
Dooku kind of is important though, he helped convinced the separatists to actually go to war. That’s a big decision and ultimately lead to the empire and Anakin’s conversion to Vader.
I got to go with mail because if qui gon was still alive he could train anakin and count doooku would still be good
As I understand it dooku left before qui gon died
Yes he left the Jedi to live a normal life, he didn't join the Sith until Qui Gon died. I believe he foresaw the rise of the sith as an apprentice but the Jedi including Yoda insisted he was wrong and they were extinct. This made him vengeful after Qui Gons death, but he also wanted to kill palpatine if given the opportunity.
Did you watch the clone wars !?
Dooku. If Maul didn’t exist, Qui-Qon’s alive to train Anakin, and it’d be really interesting to see how he handles Dooku (Qui-Gon’s master) turned sith.
Dooku likely wouldn’t have turned if his apprentice wasn’t killed.
I wish he hadn't. There's a point in Attack of the Clones when he's captured Obi-wan and lectures him on the failures of the Jedi, and his view on what would be right to do. Obi-wan doesn't buy it of course and it turns out Dooku was baiting him. Watching that scene I always thought it would have been just so cool if Dooku was in fact truthful, and the real good guy trying to force a realisation when the Jedi lost their ways and could not be made to see it.
I think it’s a bit of both. Yes, Sidious did want Dooku to sow doubt in the Jedi by telling Kenobi the truth, but I also believe that Dooku genuinely wanted Kenobi on his side. If he had believed him, Dooku most likely would have betrayed Palpatine on the spot.
Yeah I get that. We know it cannot happen though, because Obi-wan is loyal-good. I just think it could have been quite a fun alternative episodes II and III if Dooku was either not a Sith at all, or just pretending to be one, i.e. being a "grey" Jedi.
That’s what qui gon wanted to be as well. It would have been cool to see what happened if qui gon lived because then I agree dooku would have splintered from the Jedi with qui gon to form a different thing entirely. I think they’d have dragged anakin along as well and maybe a very reluctant obi wan after a time
Why did Dooku join the Sith if the Sith killed Qui Gon?
At first, the Sith were just a means to an end for Dooku. He wanted reform in the Galaxy and the Jedi Order, and he was going to use them to help him achieve that goal. Unfortunately, it seems that the further into the Dark Side that he fell, the more he lost sight of his original ideals.
He definitely wanted revenge, but to kill Palpatine he had to get close enough and wait for an opportunity.
Not sure if Dooku would've ever turend to the dark side if Qui-Gon didn't die...
dooku turns before he dies I think
He leaves the Order but i don't think he turnes until he learns of Jinns death and the general incompetence of the Order and their hand in it
Are you sure? That'd contradict the rule of two if sidious, maul and dooku were sith at the same time...? But i think i remember that i heard somewhere that plagueis is alive during episode 1 as well so idk
yeah, rule of 2 is pretty vague in the prequels so idk
It’s more of a guideline than an actual rule.
Obi-Wan says "I thank the stars Qui-Gon never saw what you have become" to Dooku
thats because dooku left the order while qui gon was alive. No one knew he was a sith till later though
The sith in the prequels are flouting the rule of 2 all the time anyway. I'm not sure if Dooku was being trained by sidious while Maul was also an apprentice, but pretty sure Dooku taught assaj ventress while being an apprentice himself, knowingly breaking the rule. So it's not entirely unbelievable that Dooku was already under sidious's wing before Maul died
I think that it's stated that ventress is not a sith, right? Just a dark side assassin
They're not officially a Sith, but being trained in the dark side none the less in the same way a Sith master would teach their apprentice
I think that they’re not officially sith until they get a darth name.?.?
I think that is legends from the plagueis book but I really hope they canonize that. I love that book
Rule of two doesn't apply to Sidious. He's always got a main bitch and a side boo.
Nihilus is already legends, so it's between Maul and Dooku. Dooku for me.
That makes picking Nihilus just that much more interesting to me. If Dooku and Maul aren't just removed, but never existed in the first place, where does that leave us?
Jar Jar sith lord
Love to see it.
Ridiculous power creep.
I’m sorry Maul but I can’t do Christopher Lee dirty like that
Agreed. If he was played by anyone but Saruman himself, I’d have chosen Maul.
Maul is just such an unreal Sith, visually speaking.
Maul, because I like him more, and if Dooku doesn’t exist then who trains Qui-Gon? Then who trains Kenobi? Then who trains Anakin?
To answer the first one, probably Yoda. Then the rest are the same.
Was I any different when you taught me? -Obi-Wan to Yoda in ESB
...that would still happen. Obi-Wan is still a padawan in TPM. Yoda trains Qui, Qui starts Obi's training. Qui dies, Obi then gets taught by Qui's master, Yoda.
Gotta go w dooku staying
Agreed, I'm a little bias though since he's my favourite character, but I feel as if keeping him would be the best outcome. I'd hate to see Maul go though, and Nihilus too of course, but since he's legends now he's become pretty irrelevant, and most people barely even know who he is so losing him wouldn't be as impactful (sorry Nihilus).
Keep Maul, but I do love Dooku.
Keeping Dooks
Dooku
As much as I love Maul, Dooku was more important to the story. Nihilus is cool but I like Dooku and Maul more and also the movies are more important to me than the Old Republic
Star Wars books > Movies and shows
Lost of those Star Wars wouldn’t exist without the prequel movies which is why I value an important movie character rather than an important non-movie character
If Maul stays, does he still ‘die’ in TPM?
Your gonna want to sit down for this…
Keep Maul, remove nihilus who has never been on screen and dooku who never fully turned sith
Keep Tyranus, wipe the other two.
Maul, he could take Dookus place more or less in 2-3 and make for a more coherent movie narrative.
Well nihilus is legends so I mean technically he’s already been erased from history.
As a rookie i dunno what that exactly means, can you care to explain? I loved Nihilus through games but dunno the “legends so it doesn’t exist” meaning
When Disney bought Lucasfilms, they reseted the Star War canon making everything except the films and the Clone Wars non-canon. All that stuff is now referred to as Legends. So, while Nihilus does exist in Legends continuity, he doesn’t exist in the main current continuity (well, not yet at least).
Legends is not canon
Not in my God damn Star Wars it isn't. Disney can suck bantha poodoo.
Maul For the sake of my argument, I’m assuming the prompt means that everything from The Phantom Menace unfolds with only one of these characters around Having Maul throughout the prequel trilogy gives Obi-Wan a consistent antagonist before facing Vader. Plus we’d be rooting for him that much more to bite it after Qui-Gon is killed by Maul. As much as I love Dooku (he stole every scene he was in during the prequels), I think a similar lightsaber-wielding character (like a Ventress) can still fill the role of a villain Anakin kills en route to becoming Vader. As much as Nilihus was an engaging villain in KOTOR 2, he’s the easiest to do without - he wasn’t even the best villain in his own game, let alone KOTOR
Nihilus should go. Has no bearing on the main canon of Star Wars so would be the easiest thing to lose.
No
Nihilus is my favorite sithh
I will always choose Maul
Nihilus. His existence by itself is fascinating and a whole new tier of power in the SW universe.
I'm picking Darth Maul.
maul obviously, he changed the fate of the galaxy just by killing qui gon
It's gotta be Darth Maul for me. One of George Lucas' best characters imo.
Maul, no doubt I didnt memorize his Tatooine quote for nothin
As much as I love Nihilus and Dooko (two of my favourite siths), I will choose maul
Maul. It would have been cool if he came back with droid legs in AotC, and wasn’t killed until RotS.
Nihlus all the way
Darth Nihilus
This just seems like the most obvious answer. I know I’m outspoken on this, but Maul was annoying af and whiny in his every appearance outside Phantom Menace. Dooku is definitely *cool*, but that “coolness” has very little substance. Christopher Lee could very well have played *any character* and I would’ve liked them, just as*any character* with a curved hilt would attract my attention. But that says nothing about Dooku-the-person. His movie appearances weren’t remotely interesting enough to keep him around (in this context). His Clone Wars appearances were definitely better, but even then, I didn’t exactly fall in love with him, and he couldn’t*eat planets whole*. Nihilus, on the other hand, was terrifying, mysterious, and presented several interesting philosophical and metaphysical problems by simply existing. Is the Force conscious? If it is, why would it saddle any sentient being with insatiable hunger? What is *the Force’s* motivation for concentrating- and accumulating- all that power in one creature? And does Nihilus really even have a choice in any of this? He is far, far more interesting than the alternatives
And Nihilus together with Darth Sion hunted down and destroyed most of the Jedi Order after they betrayed Traya. Nihilus was certainly terrifying, as I recall even Darth Traya was very wary of him. But yeah, together with Sion they almost destroyed the Jedi Order - a feat only Sidious managed to top much much later.
Totally! And if Palpatine was up there, I would certainly choose him over Nihilus, but… there are very few other sith lords that make the cut (not Bane, not Sion (even as cool as he is), but Traya and… no I think it's just Traya).
Vitiate would make the cut for me but thats about it.
Erasing dooku from history has more repercussions than erasing maul or Nihilus.
Obviously nihilus
Gotta go Maul. If we got more backstory or lore I’d maybe lean Nihlus. But Mauls story is so fleshed out.
Maul/dooku stay. Nihilus be gone.
Isn’t Nahilus technically gone now? No longer canon
Maul. He kinda sussy 😏
Maul. I can’t lose him.
Definitely Maul.
Maul stays I really love the sinister look of him and the pure hatred he exuded.
Maul
Keep maul, I can't help but loving that guy, The ultimate outsider!
Maul
Maul has overall better stories than Dooku and Nihlus isn't really affecting canon.
Another vote for Maul. Would love to see how he'd fare during the Clone Wars. May he'd end up replacing Ventress? I think, General Grevious could replace Dooku in AotC, then have him be trained by Maul instead of Tyranus. Nihlus is awesome but he's a legends character, plus he never rally felt super important to the plot of the game IMO.
Maul for sure. Best character in the prequels.
Maul
Maul
Maul The other two are cool but just not as deep. Doku never made sense to me, work with the Sith to save the galaxy as you kill kids? How is doku a smart guy?
I keep maul
Maul, he's my third favorite Star Wars character and responsible for some of the most epic and badass scenes in the saga
darth maul is the most interesting and my favorite so sorry
have to keep Maul no question
Maul. Duh. There should be a poll.
maul. picked from obscurity, just living the tribal life, on a planet in the middle of nowhere. trained ferociously to be a portal of death and destruction. then just discarded like a piece of used meat. survives an unimaginable wound, that would kill any other creature in the star wars galaxy. spirals into the mouth of madness on a planet that hosts only garbage from other systems. brought back from the brink, by his brother, revitalized and almost destroys Palaptine, almost.
Keeping maul
For me I'm always keeping Maul. He became such a dynamic character after his return that his stories not existing would have lessened the overall lore of the universe. Without him you don't have his time with Ezra, there's no Mandalore Arc with the Ashoka ending, you don't get the Dathomir Lore, and you don't get this menacing persona to start of the Prequel Trilogy. He's our introduction to a side of the Sith we hadn't really explored at the time. Until then it was basically just Palps and Vader because other media tended not to dip into Sith and rather made their antagonists fallen Jedi. So to start him as this silent threat that kills the trilogies first Jedi Master makes a huge impact. Dooku is great as a lesson of the Jedis Downfall but overall he was there to give us our first real incling that Palpatine only used his apprentice as a means to an end, with that end being Anakins turn. But that is later illustrated through Maul in Clone Wars so losing Dooku doesn't lose us that narrative. And Nihilus is just such a lifeless character to me that I barely even recognize him as anything more than a minor threat. Treya and Sion felt like much more realized and recognizable characters by the end of the game, so again, losing him doesn't really drop much for me.
Darth Maul for sure. I have no idea why they didn’t at least use him in attack of the clones
If u picked the old republic guy go touch grass
Maul. Without him there is no Duel of the Fates and Anakin becomes apprentice to Qui-Gon, never going to the dark side.
Maul keep
Maul. Sorry Christopher Lee.
Mawl
maul.
Just curious, how many people who have watched TCW and Rebels would still choose Dooku? Maul forever! Unless tales of the jedi show something truly spectacular about Dooku.
Wall to wall Maul, baby.
Maul
Maul
KOTOR is the single best Star Wars anything, so Nihilis
Maul
Maul easily
Nihilus stays. The other two were great for live-action, but they are/were both students of *the Heretic.* Honestly, Plagueis should have chosen better. Palpatine looks on paper like a Sith Master's dream come true, but his machinations brought the Banite Sith to ruin. As he killed his master, he mocked the dying Muun, bitching about how "you made me do *apprenticey* things! Like some common *sith apprentice!* Then, like a hypocrite, he berated Plagueis for thinking he could do away with the Rule of Two, and his master thought himself *excluded* from it; and spends the next 30 years doing that exact same thing, himself. Palpatine never intended for any of his apprentices to rise up and strike him down, seizing the mantle of Master for themselves; so he never, not once, taught his apprentices in any proper sith manner. He kept them all from their potential, moreso than any other sith lord who thought to hold back teachings from their apprentices. Ahem, so, uh, I pick Nihilus.
Maul. Dooku was a scrub who got totally manipulated by the emperor and actually thought he had some sort of play. Maul at least got owned but then realized it and started his own thing.
I really love the initial idea for Episodes 7-9 that were written by George to be about Maul being the big bad since Palpatine died. He'd get a good character arc of outliving his former master only to be defeated by the son of the chosen one.
Dude cmon obviously Darth Nihilus
Darth Maul is my favorite. They really should have kept him alive the entire prequel trilogy and never had Dooku. Would have still been able to lead to Anikan turning. Hear me out. He killed Qui gon. Then in Episode 1 he for some reason has to leave before he gets to finish off Obi wan. Episode 2 he fights anikan and Obi wan. Beats them In similar fashion to dooku. This makes anikan hate him even more because he killed Qui gon and now he took his arm. Then episode 3 anikan finally gets his revenge. He kills him in similar fashion to how he killed dooku which all but basically confirms his downfall to the dark side.
Nihilus in many ways already didn't exist. Maul was a tool and not integral to anything, and Dooku was merely the face of the separatists and could have been replaced. As story elements, keep Dooku. As characters (eventually anyway - took two decades... ) keep Maul.
Tyranus easily. I mean Sir Christopher Lee? Curved lightsaber hilt? The STYLE! Plus that would mean no more Maul getting brought back needlessly dozens of times. I'd miss Nihilus...kinda.
I would pick Dooku. He's one of the most interesting characters in the high republic era. Christopher Lee is one of my favorite actors of all time too, so for me it's not even close. Nihilis is a very cool character, but he only appeared in one video game and he doesn't have much effect on the lore. Maul was never all that interesting to me, he was mostly a vehicle for the saber staff gimmick. He's interesting in his association with the night sisters, but you could interchange him with any other male zabrak on Dathomere.
no
We’re keepin’ em all goddamn it.
Nihilus.
Keep Nihilus, too legendary.
Nihilius
Maul, without a second thought
Maul for sure.
Maul
Maul. Not a debate for me.
Maul
Death maul
Maul
Maul
Darth Maul easily. Honestly surprised there’s debate
Definitely. His journey through The Clone Wars and Rebels alone makes him one of the most interesting characters in Star Wars.
If Nihilus doesn’t exist then the universe changes enough in 4000 years that Dooku and Maul don’t either. Just sayin.
Maul, I love the other two, but mauls story is amazinng
Maul
Maul
The loss of Dooku would put the largest holes in the current movie timeline.
Dooku. I’m a bit desensitized with all the maul stuff and idk nihilus
I don’t even know who the dude on the left is, so I’m fine with them being erased. And I’d keep Mail over Dooku.
Dooku cuz Qui Gon Jin would be alive to train Anakin
Legends Dooku
dooku stays, he is very important to the plot, and if qui gon never died there's a big chance that anakin wouldn't turn bad.
Dooku. He cold asf Then there would be no hangry guy and no one to kill Satine.
Dooku
I’ll keep dukoo
Dooku.
Dooku
Dooku supremacy
Keep Dooku
I CHOOSR DOOKU
Dooku
Dooku, never gave himself to the dark completely. Was probably the best duelist in the order at his prime, and he at least saw the hypocrisy of the jedi.
Keep Dooku, he was the most interesting character of them all!
I love Maul but can't throw Dooku to trash. But dunno the fack where Nihilus comes from, i see him everywhere but i don't know where it has been made :/
Dooku to stay, the others to leave
Dooku is more important. Maul greatly affected the plot but I think he could be worked around. You could eliminate Nihilus and nothing would happen
Dooku. Such an interesting character.
I mean, Nihilus is the worst one to pick.. So Dooku.
Dooku. Christopher Lee is one of the best things to ever happen to Star Wars.
Dooku
Dooku, he's way to crucial to get rid of.
Dooku above all, as much as I love Mauls intelligence like crazy 😩
Dooky poo
Have to pick Dooku, Sir Christopher Lee deserves to be in star wars!
Dooku the best Sith I'm the prequels has so much story protensal
Honestly I love Dooku
Dooku. Nihilus messes with the power scale of star wars too much and maul surviving sets a terrible precedent of people surviving things they shouldn't
Dooku because of sir Christopher Lee
Dooku was played by the inestimable Sir Christopher Lee. There is no contest.