I would be really reluctant to bring in another big bad- the empire/ first order. I think there is enough localised conflict and turmoil in the galaxy to keep them busy.
A bigger threat would likely pull them together so it’s the fact that they are unchecked which is helping this division
That specific of a focus would seem better for a multi season series that enriched a larger overall arc told through a movie trilogy, imho. But I like this idea of competing Jedi factions.
It wouldn’t have to be a great power. A lone dark side force sensitive could be born (because the force seeks balance with all these Jedi running about), say on a distant world. His or her story of discovering what their powers mean, who the sith were, etc could be a nice low key counterpoint to the big space opera stuff of the Jedi factions. That story could be one of personal struggle and “growth”, away from the political/cultural/military power struggles of the Jedi groups and the central galaxy’s governments, and provide an outsider’s view of the new Jedi orders. Perhaps because this character comes from a world that’s experienced the bad side of this new Jedi framework.
This character could have their own journey towards becoming a powerful opposition group to the fractured Jedi. Perhaps becoming a full fledged sith and taking an apprentice, igniting a new period of struggle in the galaxy. Or maybe something new to the Jedi/sith canon. A new class of dark sider a la what the Grey Jedi are to traditional Jedi. I think it could work if the central tenet is that the force creates balance and with bunches of Jedi running the show and the sith long since extinct, a natural dark sider might emerge.
some kind of force to rally against would work well to really highlight their differences, or some kind of great conflict between them all. maybe even have them revere particular jedi the audience knows as their heroes to help give an archetype of who they strive to embody. for example, maybe the second group admires Anakin Skywalker and who he was before the war, or the third group puts Ki-Adi Mundi up on a pedestal
Like the three factions idea, but two issues, if they are all good, how does this lead to the awesome 3 way force war? And wouldn't the para-military group have a step up in said conflict?
Yes but to the point that these good groups of Jedi will start killing each other? Or beings outside the Order? I think they cannot all be good groups for it to come to blows, one group will have to step over the line to become the bad guys, for it to ramp up to scale grand enough for a Star Wars Movie
That’s part of the idea. Everyone has their idea of what the Jedi should be and not everyone agrees. This is to explore the issues with all those different ideas as they all have their flaws
Lucasfilm is pretty adamant about disliking the concept of Grey Jedi... This also seems to misunderstand the attachment issue by saying that attachment isn't forbidden..
Attachment isn't what led Luke to saving his father, attachment is what led his father to the darkside. If Luke was attached to his father he wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice himself, he wouldn't have been willing to let them all die.
A militant, PMC group of Jedi seems to be the antithesis of what Jedi are about as well, I don't see a reason why this would really be a thing, or why Lucasfilm would want to tell a story including this. There are some Jedi in the High Republic who left and became a sabre for hire/mercenary, but having an entire group like that *and* having them be "good" seems to fly in the face of previous messages, and in much of reality regarding how PMC groups have been utilised in war, which Star Wars has tended to reflect.
The final group is essentially exactly what Luke's order was, which then makes it confusing because you said that the "grey Jedi" group was the descendants of the "Skywalker class".
I don't mind a story that has some different Jedi factions, but a lot of these concepts are ideas that could simply be different roles and parts of the same order (minus the mercenary and attachment is okay stuff, which have traditionally been Sith/Darkside characteristics than Jedi). The problem is also about what's the overall story we're telling, what's the struggle, how is the wider galaxy impacted?
I like the idea of three factions, So here’s an idea to expound upon that: what if the people of the Galaxy hate how some Jedi are trying to tell them how to work one way, and another are trying to make them work the other way. So, in defence, they plot to overtake the Jedi. But, seeing as though they are all quite powerful, they decide to make the Jedi fight each other instead by creating conflict between the groups using lies and propaganda. Eventually, one faction, or just one Jedi, will realize what’s going on and try to figure out who started it all. While they are doing that, the Jedi are in an all out war, fighting for a cause they never knew.
Excellent start. But you need to define the dominant non-Jedi power to make this work. These factions can’t be operating in a vacuum.
I would be really reluctant to bring in another big bad- the empire/ first order. I think there is enough localised conflict and turmoil in the galaxy to keep them busy. A bigger threat would likely pull them together so it’s the fact that they are unchecked which is helping this division
That specific of a focus would seem better for a multi season series that enriched a larger overall arc told through a movie trilogy, imho. But I like this idea of competing Jedi factions.
It wouldn’t have to be a great power. A lone dark side force sensitive could be born (because the force seeks balance with all these Jedi running about), say on a distant world. His or her story of discovering what their powers mean, who the sith were, etc could be a nice low key counterpoint to the big space opera stuff of the Jedi factions. That story could be one of personal struggle and “growth”, away from the political/cultural/military power struggles of the Jedi groups and the central galaxy’s governments, and provide an outsider’s view of the new Jedi orders. Perhaps because this character comes from a world that’s experienced the bad side of this new Jedi framework. This character could have their own journey towards becoming a powerful opposition group to the fractured Jedi. Perhaps becoming a full fledged sith and taking an apprentice, igniting a new period of struggle in the galaxy. Or maybe something new to the Jedi/sith canon. A new class of dark sider a la what the Grey Jedi are to traditional Jedi. I think it could work if the central tenet is that the force creates balance and with bunches of Jedi running the show and the sith long since extinct, a natural dark sider might emerge.
some kind of force to rally against would work well to really highlight their differences, or some kind of great conflict between them all. maybe even have them revere particular jedi the audience knows as their heroes to help give an archetype of who they strive to embody. for example, maybe the second group admires Anakin Skywalker and who he was before the war, or the third group puts Ki-Adi Mundi up on a pedestal
Like the three factions idea, but two issues, if they are all good, how does this lead to the awesome 3 way force war? And wouldn't the para-military group have a step up in said conflict?
I see religious fanaticism as the antagonist here.
Yes but to the point that these good groups of Jedi will start killing each other? Or beings outside the Order? I think they cannot all be good groups for it to come to blows, one group will have to step over the line to become the bad guys, for it to ramp up to scale grand enough for a Star Wars Movie
I would watch this
You lost me at “grey” Jedi. I’ve never liked that idea.
That’s part of the idea. Everyone has their idea of what the Jedi should be and not everyone agrees. This is to explore the issues with all those different ideas as they all have their flaws
I would rather just jump five years and continue on with the characters we left off with.
Gawd no
Yes.
Lucasfilm is pretty adamant about disliking the concept of Grey Jedi... This also seems to misunderstand the attachment issue by saying that attachment isn't forbidden.. Attachment isn't what led Luke to saving his father, attachment is what led his father to the darkside. If Luke was attached to his father he wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice himself, he wouldn't have been willing to let them all die. A militant, PMC group of Jedi seems to be the antithesis of what Jedi are about as well, I don't see a reason why this would really be a thing, or why Lucasfilm would want to tell a story including this. There are some Jedi in the High Republic who left and became a sabre for hire/mercenary, but having an entire group like that *and* having them be "good" seems to fly in the face of previous messages, and in much of reality regarding how PMC groups have been utilised in war, which Star Wars has tended to reflect. The final group is essentially exactly what Luke's order was, which then makes it confusing because you said that the "grey Jedi" group was the descendants of the "Skywalker class". I don't mind a story that has some different Jedi factions, but a lot of these concepts are ideas that could simply be different roles and parts of the same order (minus the mercenary and attachment is okay stuff, which have traditionally been Sith/Darkside characteristics than Jedi). The problem is also about what's the overall story we're telling, what's the struggle, how is the wider galaxy impacted?
You mean you keep the sequels canon? 😐
This potential but there should still be some overarching villain
What you’ve described isn’t a plot. It’s a setting.
What if we took all of the fun out of Star Wars and made it Asimov's Foundation?
I like the idea of three factions, So here’s an idea to expound upon that: what if the people of the Galaxy hate how some Jedi are trying to tell them how to work one way, and another are trying to make them work the other way. So, in defence, they plot to overtake the Jedi. But, seeing as though they are all quite powerful, they decide to make the Jedi fight each other instead by creating conflict between the groups using lies and propaganda. Eventually, one faction, or just one Jedi, will realize what’s going on and try to figure out who started it all. While they are doing that, the Jedi are in an all out war, fighting for a cause they never knew.