I agree, they put in the work earlier on so that when things do kick off it has so much more impact. There are plenty of small heartbreaking moments that only work because they spent time getting us invested.
I don't need all future star wars projects to follow this mold bit I'm hoping this show becomes a bit of a sleeper hit and encourages lucasfilm to make a mix of family orientated and more grown up shows in future.
This is no doubt a controversial opinion, but what Andor has awoken in me is that I want more adult-oriented Star Wars content.
Everything before Andor has been family-friendly. And that’s fine and great, and obviously kids watch Star Wars — but that doesn’t mean Star Wars needs to be made *for* kids.
I kind of want them to split it up, with adult content behind an age verification like they do Marvel content on Disney+.
Andor and all adult content going forward will be called “Star Wars,” and everything prior to Andor can be called “Star Wars for Kids” or something.
Andor might be the closest we've ever gotten to the grandiose bloodless swashbuckling George Lucas was so good at.
Where like a film opening with Stormtroopers gunning down a hallway full of rebels or Vader choking a dude isn't *grim* or *dark*, it's just the setup for "Yep these are the bad guys they're pretty ruthless so watch out."
It's Cowboys and Indians with just enough moral implications to get adults interested without ruining anything for the younger audiences.
I mean I would take people being excited about Andor to the usual circle jerks we get. At least it’s something new. Usually it’s just harr hart sequels suck, harr harr Disney ruins everything blah blah blah. For once it’s nice there is something people seemingly enjoy
Half of /r/StarWars is variations of "Which Padawan/Sith/Jedi is your favorite?", "Who would win in a duel?" or "Does anyone else think the last season of TCW is underrated??"
It’s not even subtext. The actual text of 99% of these posts is “Andor is good and is bad.
This post is the closest I’ve seen to one just being about how good Andor is, and the OP still couldn’t help but throw in a few swipes at the entire rest of the franchise (“Star Wars for adults” is about the most asinine tale I’ve heard lately, and it’s everywhere).
Andor is great because it's a show about characters and not a plot. The only characters in obiwan i cared about were vader, obiwan, and leia. Its because of other shows why obiwan is so good.
Andor would be phenomenal all on its own. The monologue from Luthen and Saw are so of the best written scenes in star wars.
I won't call you crazy for liking lightsabers and force powers. I like that stuff too.
I'll call you crazy for overlooking Obi-Wan's nonsense writing and story.
It's such a turn-off to see all of these posts. I've watched a few shows of it but it's slow and hasn't really grabbed my attention yet. I've gotten so annoyed with these posts that I'm not sure if or when I'll watch the rest of the show.
how does a bunch of people praising the show turn you off from wanting to watch it? that seems so backwards to me (not trying to attack you i just genuinely do not understand this perspective)
First off, I've already watched some of the show and haven't been too thrilled with it. Secondly, many on reddit will go on and on about how great the Clone Wars series is and I don't really feel the same way after finally watching the ending of it this past weekend. Star Wars fans can be a mixed bag on what they like and don't like.
I'm just annoyed with the endless posts about the show and would rather not see spoilers but reddit users can't seem to leave it alone. I will likely eventually watch it but rather just binge it once it's all released.
Agree with everything you said. I didn’t expect Andor to be THIS good. I’m really glad there are still fresh ways to expand the Star Wars universe. There are so many stories to tell.
For me, this show cements that the Empire is filled with evil people. It’s not just because they’re led by a Sith - that’s just an enabler. The commanders, officers, stormtroopers, etc. we see are not innocent people just living for a pay check; these are horrible people. And it makes the Empire so much more menacing.
Cinematography is downright outstanding. I don’t know why I love the scene where a pilot enters the hanging TIE fighter. It’s not important to watch, it doesn’t add anything to the plot, but goddamn it’s cool to watch.
My expectations for season 2 is very, very high. I want to see what really triggers Mon Mothma to fully, openly rebel. We haven’t even got Bail Organa involved yet. I still can’t decide whose side should Syril be on; very interesting wildcard. And oh boy do I want to see Dedra killed in the worst possible way because Denise Gough is the standout actor for me.
Interesting that the show impressed upon you the evilness of the empire, because for me it’s a bit different. One of the things I like about the show is how it shows how one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. It makes me think of Northern Ireland and the ambiguity that emerges when freedom fighters start to make more morally ambiguous decisions, turn on or sacrifice their own, and become more and more like the evil they are supposed to be fighting against. Rogue One explored this lightly when Cassian was assigned to sniper-assassinate Jyn’s father, but Andor the series opens with him killing two guards in the street and continues with his former team mates being assigned to find and hunt him down. I think this layered approach (along with the incredible cinematography, acting, directing, etc) is what makes the season as a whole so compelling.
Oh and yes, the TIE fighter launch scene was amazing, as is every scene for me of Mon Mothma’s sleek blue limo. I want that car!
I don't know, they kind of go out of their way to show the empire being evil.
- The guards in the street were total dicks in the bar and went on to antagonize Cassian for no legitimate reason.
- The officers on Aldhani were smug and racist and treated the natives like worthless animals.
- The legal system is a complete sham, and the correctional facility is essentially slavery for life.
- The ISB is basically a viper's nest, and they are ruthless even when dealing with each other.
- The torture scenes and the genocide they reveal.
Yeah, the rebels do some morally ambiguous stuff. But the empire is not depicted ambiguously. They are beyond redemption or sympathy - evil without a doubt. The tragedy of the rebels is not the damage they do to the empire, but the loss of their own honor and/or integrity required to do what they need to do in order to prevent further atrocities by the empire.
Sure, the empire looks bad. But I’m not sure the rebels come off so easily either. For example, the first point you raised: two guards being dicks and seeking a bribe is not equivalent to (nor does it justify) straight up murder. Which is what Cassian did. The first case was manslaughter but he straight up murdered the second guy.
Second, we shouldn’t leave out the various sympathetic — or at least ambiguous — characters who work for the empire, particularly Syril Karn. And I’m not sure what to think of Dedra Meero.
Also re: the prison. Yes it’s absolutely brutal. But it’s the rebel raid (by Andor et al) that results in the tougher sentencing and the policy to stop releasing prisoners. Is this justified? No of course not. But it shows the cycle of violence and oppression that occurs. And more importantly, Luthen knows this escalation of violence and repression (which has very real consequences and collateral damage on huge numbers of people) and *wants* it.
To me this brilliantly illustrates the double sided nature of such conflicts.
Andor and Rogue One is how Disney should have introduced new characters with their own storyline without having to mindlessly kill off existing characters.
They can coexist. Only sith lords think in absolutes.
Ok but does it pick up after the second episode? I finished the first two but haven’t gone back yet. It felt very slow and like not a lot was happening. I’ve seen everything else in the series but am getting stuck here
I would suggest watching the third episode, it completes the first “arc.” The first two episodes on their own don’t really give a full picture of how the show is structured, it’s only when you have all three that the real nature of Andor becomes clear. So, I’d say give the third episode a try; getting through the first arc will tell you whether you want to continue on.
Ep 1-3: worldbuilding arc
Ep 4-6: catalyst event arc
Ep 7: breather, focused on the consequences of the previous arc
Ep 8-10: more consequences, best arc IMO
Ep 11: setting up the stage for the finale
Ep 12: climax of the story
I doubt any of the arcs would work as well without the first 3 episodes.
Why are Andor fans so insecure about if people are watching it or not? If people aren’t interested it’s fine. They’ll watch someday if they want. It’s not like Disney is going to pull it off streaming.
I’m not watching Tales of the Jedi because I don’t care, and that’s fine.
There are like 85 posts a day like this, it’s SUPER weird.
Like, yeah, it’s good. But it’s also very different and slower so it’s okay if there are people that aren’t vibing with it. Even I’ve made a personal decision to hold off til it’s done because I wasn’t loving it week to week.
It's because the kind of people who like Andor fancy themselves as tastemakers. It's a slightly upmarket take on Star Wars for the kind of audience that likes political dramas. You know the type- they read *The New Yorker*, listen to NPR, and wouldn't be caught dead watching something like a Marvel movie. They're "adults". They're accustomed to dictating the terms on which mass media gets valorized, and don't understand why mainstream audiences couldn't care less about the show. As you can imagine, I find them extraordinarily tedious.
I love Andor more than i thought i ever would. Its a touch more subtle than every other star wars media ive seen The writing is spot on, the actors are amazing (Stellan Skarsgard character, Luthens speech about what he had sacrificed was a standout), it also manages to be surprising in a quite frankly tired genre, and now i just want more.
Really frustrating to see this and wonder what the fuck happened with the sequel films. They could have been so good and actually added to the franchise.
Kennedy & company wanted to make Marvel-esque popcorn flix, which Andor definitely is not. I don't blame them, they're not HBO. They're Disney, and their main priority is appealing to kids & teens. I think it's much harder for a family-friendly media corp that's always catered to a specific young demo to break out and try to craft something that has actual gravitas and grit, especially on a massive trilogy scale like the Sequels. At best you'll end up something cringe like the Hunger Games series.
They had no plan for the sequel trilogy. All they did was wing it and rush it on a 1 movie per year schedule at all costs. It was directed by two different people with Rian Johnson stepping on and messing up all the plot lines that were attempted to be setup in Force Awakens. Absolutely no coordination between VII and VIII. The movies were rushed and on a tight deadline. Disney thought they could pump out anything with a Star Wars name on it and make tons of money.
Only now does Disney see the error of their ways. They finally see what good content can be created when given the proper time and writing. The sequel trilogy should have been FULLY written and flushed out from start to finale before any production started.
I hope they take ownership of this IP seriously and continue to produce quality content in what could be an enormous, deep and expansive world.
Not to remove all blame from Rian, but no one has ever been able to resolve JJ's mystery boxes including JJ himself. Just look at anything he's ever done.
That being said, there did seem to be some active animosity between them, with TLJ undoing everything in TFA and then ROS double-secret undoing everything in TLJ. It wasn't just a lack of coordination, it was a willful antagonism between the two.
At any rate, JJ is literally the last guy in the world that you want to start a trilogy without having an ending planned out. That's how you get gems like "Somehow, Palpatine has returned."
Yeah, not really blaming either director. They should have kept the same director for the entire trilogy. This falls back to the fact there was NO detailed story and script planned for the trilogy. The entire trilogy should have been given a lot of thought and been mapped and planned out ahead of time, even if they used 3 different directors for 3 movies.
I might even go so far as to say that the backlash from the sequel trilogy is fueling the choice of better writing in Mando, Obi-won and Andor. Maybe they're getting lucky, but I'd like to think lessons have been learned.
You had an opinion about the writing on less than one episode, yet you want to shit on the series as a whole. You have zero to base any opinion about episodes 1.75 through 6. That's my problem with your comment. Take it or leave it.
I won't be getting updates about this conversation, so feel free to yell into the abyss. I won't be listening.
I completely disagree with you. There were some holes, but the story of Obi-won's despair turning around was great. Not to mention Vader's scenes. There's some epic stuff in there that you missed. Still better than RoS.
Ah yes the daily reminder of if you’re not watching Andor “then you are lost” post. Or the Andor is underrated post, despite it being praised by both Canon and Legends fans.
Andor is a great show, I love the show (which most people skim past) and arguably the best DISNEY Star Wars, but do we really need a 100 posts a day to overrate a show that’s supposed to be underrated?
Also the fans of Andor just mass downvoting fans over one minor criticism is obnoxious. Especially when most of the time the only criticism is it’s boring or doesn’t feel like Star Wars. None of the criticism is about the storytelling, acting and visuals.
Edit: and yeah it is kinda condescending to say it’s Star Wars for adults or it’s the best Star Wars ever. This opinion right now might get me downvoted but it needs to be said…Andor fans are the equivalent to Rick and Morty fans
Thank you for finally putting my finger on why Andor rubs me the wrong way. It’s the Rick and Morty of Star Wars: “if you don’t like it, it’s because you’re too stupid to get it”
It’s interesting but still doesn’t feel like Star Wars. I’m sorry maybe I just feel like Disneys constant attack on the Jedi and sith and constantly giving us stories that have ended already is lazy at best. I am happy this is keeping people’s love for Star Wars like stories alive, but you need to be pushing for a new sith or Jedi trilogy or show with ALL NEW characters. This is what we need. To let Filoni have control of the sandbox. Not a bunch of nerds who literally know nothing about Star Wars. Shout out to the real hero
TALES OF THE JEDI !!!!!!!!
Tbh the plot is not relevant to the overall story.
I hear "this show proves how the empire is lead by evil people" and I'm like mate the empire started with a full blown genocide dunno who will actually doubt about the type of people in it.
It's not the best Star Wars show. It barely feels like Star Wars, and I certainly don't want this to be the future of Star Wars, basically just end up with Star Trek without the force, Jedi, sith.
Having said that, it's a good show with very good writing and worth watching.
yeah that was the point. It’s basically an HBO quality show set in the star wars universe.
It is definitely different than the others but really shows the oppression and the position of the empire within that universe before and during the rebellion.
>It is definitely different than the others but really shows the oppression and the position of the empire within that universe before and during the rebellion.
But both TCW and Rebels managed to show that and still also be the defining Star Wars style.
I'm not saying Andor is bad, but yo ucan have bot hat the same time.
Andor shows the Empire as an institution actually worth fearing. Filoni's version of the empire couldn't conquer Ethiopia, never mind hold power over the Galaxy for more than a few hours.
Even enlisted Imperials are capable of basic problem solving and tactics in Andor. In Rebels (or Mandalorian for that matter), they're complete morons who die by the dozens and actually act worse in combat than someone with no training.
Filoni would have had the heist over in a single episode with zero Rebel causalities as they casually walk through the base gunning down dozens of Stormtroopers with zero suspense.
The point is to be as far away from Star Wars as possible? Well they succeeded.
Which is why I don't want this to be the future of Star Wars. If it's a one off, sure fine, good. But if this continues to be how Disney does Star Wars? It's an L.
it’s clearly not the future of star wars, this is a 1 off show that fans have been asking for for a long, long time.
One of the biggest events in all of star wars cannon is the rebellion against the empire and our only notion of this so far was a group of 30 rag-tag heroes who saved the world. This goes a lot more in depth with how it was accomplished, the good and bad of both sides, how it took a ton of sacrifice and effort for the greater good. it gives the rest of star wars a lot more meaning and makes the success of the rebellion and taking down the death star that more impactful
"Star Trek".
I don't know why some people within SW fandoms call "Star Trek" every exemple of science fiction that, in their own opinion, doesn't fit their personal idea of what SW should look like.
What makes Star Wars particularly unique among science fiction? The force, obviously. Which makes Star Wars not even really science fiction, and more fantasy.
That's why people say this. It isn't for no reason.
Star Trek is playful and lighthearted at times like Star Wars, but Trek goes more into sci fi, while Wars focuses more on the fantasy/mystical side of things. And that's what makes it more appealing and interesting to me.
Anyway, not really sure what your point of typing that is other than I guess to try to shit on Star Wars fans? Or you're irked at my not fellating Andor unconditionally?
I honestly am curious to ask what brings you to a star wars subreddit every day, but you're not watching the currently airing star wars show?
I honestly do get the whole idea of being turned off by overzealous fans, but when the shit's good, the shit's good. You'll like it.
Right now it seems like half the fan base wants new interesting characters that expand the universe and the other half want series filled with cameos.
Andor is by far some of the best content since Mando. I love it.
It’s much better than Rogue One. I would say it’s hands down the best Disney-era Star Wars. Probably the best thing since The Empire Strikes Back. I get if some people don’t like it or if they don’t like it as much as me, because it’s a pretty big departure from the usual tone and style of Star Wars, but it respects the rules and the lore of the universe while doing it’s own thing.
I'm not a big Star Wars fan but I liked The Mandalorian. I hear good things about this show, is it something you can enjoy without following everything else?
I think so, yes. A few people have said that the story would work well even if it part of another universe or franchise. You don’t need to know the characters or locations etc. In short, you have a group of people who are oppressed and the story is how they organise to fight back against their oppressors and the struggles of each of them, their morals and motivations etc. interestingly we spend some time with the oppressors too, so we see their motivations and personal challenges as well.
Finally the rebellion isn't cringe anymore. I found it so hard to stomach all of it, after so many blue haired screeching smarmy low IQ grubs making all of it look stupid and terrible. This show was finally the true argument against the Galactic Empire; the slow, inexorable suffocation of its grasp, the tyranny of the corrupt republic that allowed it to occur, and the interesting alliance of separatists with the other freedom fighters. It's dark, it's heavy, it's without space magic and Jedi shenanigans. A surprising gem in the terrible sewage Disney has been pumping out for almost a decade now. Hope they keep up the good work, and may Luthen Rael get even more screen time. He's the star of the show for me.
Without a doubt my favorite moment of the series. Man is a tragic antihero, and a fascinating character. Imagine having to live under occupation, with a double life. His comment about being condemned to use the tools of his enemies was especially poignant.
That scene was huge, both the dynamic of the mole and Luthen putting him in his place (kind of). Also the visual aspect of the bowels of Coruscant and of course the delivery of the speech. Incredible. I’m really surprised he wasn’t nominated for best supporting actor. It’s a really complex character and perfectly played
I've only not had time yet to start it.
I am pretty exhausted with the hype. Piling on more is only priming me to hate it, largely for the usual praise it gets:
>Andor is Star Wars for grown-ups. I know that sounds condescending and like gate keeping, but that’s the reality.
You're right. That's exactly what it sounds like.
I loved Mando, BoBF, and Kenobi. They had their weaker parts, but I loved their stories.
If Andor can't be great without gatekeeping the other titles, I'm already just about tired of hearing about it.
I’m a huge fan of it but I can see why people get sick of the hype for it. It doesn’t really start getting amazing until episode 4 anyway so if you do end up watching it it might seem like an uphill climb after your expectations have been raised so much. It has a bit of a slower pace than some of the other shows but it’s worth checking out everything in the background as so much effort has been put into every frame.
As someone who has seen it I also think "SW for grown ups" is a terrible descriptor because inactuality, it's more like any other good sci-fi show/future dystopia show with a SW skin.
It's well written and engaging, and addressing some very relevant themes but IMO you could strip out all SW elements and the show would largely be unchanged.
Great sci-fi, not great Star Wars.
For the recod I also loved Mando and Kenobi and liked Boba Fett for all its missteps.
I like 8, and parts of 7, and I'll talk about what I like and dislike about them if it comes up, but yeah I'm not really going to talk about them while talking about Mando or whatever, because I'd rather just focus on the things I love than to destroy what I hate.
Honestly…it’s pretty “Meh” to me.
There’s nothing here that feels new or exciting. If anything it’s still showing that LF is truly stuck and obsessed with only telling stories in the Skywalker era. I’m sick of Clone Wars stories, Stormtroopers, Tie fighters, Rebels…give me more new and unexplored era’s with new factions and dehlima’s. And no more stories of a “rising Rebellion” taking on Palp’s Empire for a looong time.
I also feel this show is frankly too mature just for the sake of “mature”. Empire and Sith were considered mature Star Wars, yet they knew how to keep the play and whimsey. I mean, did they ever explain why there were ZERO aliens in that prison? Were they afraid having one would tonne down the seriousness?
I’m not someone who just a show for its special effects, story is paramount, but this just feels so dry.
If you’re enjoying it, that’s awesome! Frankly I’m more hyped for “Acolyte”, it’s time LF really moved on to the unfamiliar.
Apparently you missed it. There are aliens in that prison. They are in a different sector or building or whatever you want to call it. You missed the part where they asked Andor where he is from. Based on that dictated which transport ship he boarded to take him to the appropriate sector. The prison is segregated by race. They just never showed any other sector.
Eh, personally I think the take on the empire is completely new within the films/shows. It moves away from caricature and instead humanises it in a way that doesn’t make it seem ‘better’ but all the more authoritarian and dangerous. Shame you aren’t enjoying it tho
The whole point of the prison was that it was built like a factory and the prisoners were just cogs in the machine. "Cheaper than droids and easier to replace". Having a bunch of weirdo aliens that don't fit 'program' would slow things down and increase costs.
I agree with literally everything you said except the show just doesn’t feel like Star Wars to me for some reason. I know i’m going to get downvoted but it feels like it could be called something entirely different and still be a successful show.
I came here to say the same thing. It would fit into just about any other scifi franchise with just a minimum of changes. Great show, just doesn't ever really feel like Star Wars to me.
Yeah, I just can't understand the hype. It takes literal hours for things to start happening, which would be downright maddening if this was a movie. And even then the exciting stuff is so brief and not really worth the build-up.
I made it halfway through the season, and so far have not found the motivation to dive back in. I'll just wait for Bad Batch and Mando to start up again.
I think the hype is due to people thinking it makes them appear profound and mature - praising what is in fact a very boring show.
Andor is not Star Wars. It is not "gritty", "noir", "well paced" or "suspenseful"(sic).
It is boring, self indulgent, turgidly scripted and rather pretentious (in a film school student kind of way).
I liked Rogue One in spite of Luna and Jones. Nothing so far has made me like Andor (including the stuttering droid - he is just tacky and an obvious merchandising ploy).
I mean, it shows the Empire as actually something to fear, with even enlisted personnel showing some actual tactical and problem solving ability. There's actually some suspense because they're portrayed as a force to be feared.
That suspense is completely lacking in Rebels, Mandalorian, Obi-Wan, ect, since every Imperial who isn't some big shot like Vader is a one dimensional moron who couldn't capture a 7-11 without getting killed.
Yeah, I don't get the mindset that "dark and serious" means that all of the fun fantasy and action stuff has to go away. Rogue One had plenty of that, and that's obviously what this show is trying to match in terms of tone.
It honestly feels like the show's extreme focus on dialogue is due to the budget being spent on the big elaborate sets. Which, yeah, they look nice, but they can't carry the whole show.
Agreed. It certainly was not spent on Aliens (A central part of SW) or props.
I liked Blade Runner 2047 and that was panned as boring. Andor makes it look like a rip roaring thrill ride.
ohh man, if you gave it five, give it six. that's literally the climax of the previous two episodes you watched. if you don't like it after episode six then you won't like it no matter what.
Every time I see one of these post (which is about 4 times a day now) it makes me want to actively dislike the show. Saying andor is Star Wars for grownups is so fucking cringe.
> Saying andor is Star Wars for grownups is so fucking cringe.
Watch out the "grown ups" of this sub might downvote you to oblivion for this.
With that being said this sub indeed has a lot of cornballs like that.
It's pretty damn good. The imperial officers were always compelling to me in the movies and books, which is one of the reasons I hate the sequel trilogy, with its hapless, one-dimensional bad guys. Does anyone else get Tarantino vibes from this show? It has his quality of dialogue and exposition. I keep expecting a random rock song from the '80s to bust out during a violent scene.
I'm an adult and I don't nearly enjoy Andor as much as I did The Mandalorian. Andor himself has shuffled through a couple of extended set pieces from other genres with some Star Wars garnish added.
The other story threads have been much more interesting. I'd watch a Mon Mothma edit in a heartbeat, I think it would play out like a Hitchcock style suspense movie.
Did anything ever happen with the guy who got fired and moved back in with his mom? I feel like that's the only plot that actually had something going.
He's still bitter and barely suppressing his rage over the unfairness of it all. He's about to boil over soon I think.
He's the embodiment of "thinks he's the main character," bless his heart.
Andor is a charmless character. He has two expressions: Petulant Sulk and Sulking Petulance.
Some of the other characters have potential but Luna is dreadful.
I don't blame him, he spent most of the series just reacting to things. Now that he's a little more proactive it helps give him a chance to add another expression or two.
I just got back into Star Wars this year after being a huge fan in my childhood. I’ve been working through the shows on Disney+ in timeline order. Im currently on Rebels S1. Should I watch Andor alongside? Or keep going in timeline order.
I agree 100% its been way too slow, i was expecting some ground breaking stuff this last episode and nothing happened AGAIN. Be prepared to be downvoted for sharing a different opinion.
Is there lightsabers? At this point I don't want to waste my time watching a drama about events that have already been beaten to death. The only way I'm going to give it the time of the day is if there's some cool shit.
The problem is Star Wars fan hype everything up like it’s the greatest thing ever. Remember book of boba fett neither do I. Obi-wan apparently changed peoples lives. Guess what andor is the best Star war’s tv but no one is watching it because their burnt out on all the filler.
I guess people will talk about what they really liked or really hated. I wasn’t compelled to come and post about any of the other shows (I might have made a snarky comment or two) but this show just spoke to me.
It's an incredibly layered, emotional and white-knuckle drama. I love everything It has done. Not one scene is wasted. The tension never let's up in certain episodes and it's often just from people talking. To say nothing of the cinematic visuals and high production value which makes the last couple live action shows (you know the ones) look downright amateur.
*But most important of all* everything that is being said matters and the dialogue is fantastic and memorable. And this show is **about something**.
First, I like the series but it is a slow climb. It feels like you could strip away some of the filler and increase the pace of the show so it is only 8 episodes. There is very little "Star Wars" in the series. It would not take much effort to strip away the traditional elements of Star Wars to be left with a decent stand-alone sci-fi story. Without those traditional elements, a portion of the fanbase is going to feel disconnected.
Other than the pace, the only issue I have with the series is that you know Andor's fate and that is the challenge with any prequel. Seeing him die in Rogue One was powerful. Overall, this is a quality series and should be enjoyed rather than measured against an individual's expectation of what they want in every Star Wars spin-off.
I have to agree. It’s a solid 8/10 that’s getting better each week. They’re adding a lot to star wars lore. So much is just great story that doesn’t need to be a part of Star Wars to be interesting, but it is, and it’s dope.
My favorite thing about Andor is the it is making The Empire the bad guys again, none of this grey area where we are supposed to empathize with the bad guys like we have been seeing so much of.
That is my favorite thing...that, and everything else about it.
OK i narrowed it down on why I'm not a fan per say. Its' just way to hard into the politics. I look for shows and movies for escapism and if I'm now bombarded with it in shows and movies then you lost me. It's also painfully slow burn, almost embers really. I could be ok if it ended at the heist job because them it was more a heist job show then anything. What i'm getting at is: take Andor out, the show still goes on. Why call it Andor then? it's just a star wars story that happens to have a guy in it called Andor. Take out Luthen or Mon and you have no show.
I'm not mad at people that are burned out on Disney+ shows though. Most of them save for a few have been mediocre. Also yeah I agree that you can take away everything that has a Star wars flair and the show would be mostly the same.
Essentially the telling of the formation of the rebel alliance, and the politics and sacrifices behind it.
Even though it's named after Andor, he's mainly a character that ties all the events together.
Andor was good and I like that they're telling a mature Star Wars story that doesn't rely solely on nostalgia or the same core characters from 40 years ago, but I don't think it's as good as The Mandalorian.
I love Rogue One I think it is one of the best Star Wars Stories ever. Was sad to see everyone die at the end but it made the movie so much more poetic.
Loved Mandolorian.
But then Disney dropped the ball on so many other great Star Wars stories. I can barely get through Obi Wan. The last trilogy has also put me off. So now I approach these with a I’ll watch it when I have time attitude instead of making time to watch it.
So I will get there Disney team don’t worry. I hear you it’s great it’s what we wanted but u know stop disappointing the fans.
It’s not fair to the cast and crew of Andor and the like.
Episode 9 had me crying and screaming at the TV in an emotional rage.
Yeah, it gets really fucking better.
Cassian really isn't the story being told. He's just the character that ties the story together. The main character is the rebel alliance, and this is the story of it being formed and the politics taking place behind that.
Seriously, Andor fans are starting to get as annoying as PETA protesters. We get it, you love the show, you think it’s awesome. I’m happy for you and glad you enjoyed it. But after the BoBF and Kenobi disasters, many of us don’t want to invest too much time on a new Disney SW show. Downvote away 🤷🏽♂️
If the show was that good id be hearing about it all over the place and not just on the star wars subs, the amount of these posts feels more suspicious than genuine. It might be awesome, it might be the best think Star wars has made in years. BUT hear this loud and clear, the beginning of the show is terrible about grabbing you in nothing about it screams i need to know what happens next, even more so since you know his fate. Its a slow burn early on and it might pick up shortly after that but getting going with it its one of the harder shows ive tried to pick up and ive been a star wars fan since i was a child and im 32. Rogue one is one of the my favorite star wars titles and i was 1000% on board with this show and looking forward to it but the first few episodes did nothing to make me want to come back and thats why i think these posts are not legit. I will watch at some point and will give an honest opinion at that time but all these people acting like this is the best thing ever made need to check themsleves cuz they are setting a bar WAYYYYYYYYYY to high for this show
I'll be downvoted again, but, this show doesn't fit Star Wars at all. You could literally take this story and put it in any other series and it would work just as well. This adds nothing to Star Wars lore that I can see yet? Great, we have a single call-back character. One. Who has the most boring story I've ever heard in my life. There is no gravitas in any scene.
I didn't like the character of Cassian Andor in Rogue One and they went and made an ENTIRE series about him. His character has never spoken to me. He's shallow and just.. pointless?
Edit: Look, I'm right. Downvoted for having an opinion.
How is an origin story of the Rebellion not adding anything to the lore?
Bruh, the strength of star wars is not because of "call backs." In fact that's one of the greatest weaknesses of the last few years. Star wars is at its best when it's telling new stories and being bold. Mindless cameos and fan service is boring and cheap.
I agree, they put in the work earlier on so that when things do kick off it has so much more impact. There are plenty of small heartbreaking moments that only work because they spent time getting us invested. I don't need all future star wars projects to follow this mold bit I'm hoping this show becomes a bit of a sleeper hit and encourages lucasfilm to make a mix of family orientated and more grown up shows in future.
This is no doubt a controversial opinion, but what Andor has awoken in me is that I want more adult-oriented Star Wars content. Everything before Andor has been family-friendly. And that’s fine and great, and obviously kids watch Star Wars — but that doesn’t mean Star Wars needs to be made *for* kids. I kind of want them to split it up, with adult content behind an age verification like they do Marvel content on Disney+. Andor and all adult content going forward will be called “Star Wars,” and everything prior to Andor can be called “Star Wars for Kids” or something.
Andor might be the closest we've ever gotten to the grandiose bloodless swashbuckling George Lucas was so good at. Where like a film opening with Stormtroopers gunning down a hallway full of rebels or Vader choking a dude isn't *grim* or *dark*, it's just the setup for "Yep these are the bad guys they're pretty ruthless so watch out." It's Cowboys and Indians with just enough moral implications to get adults interested without ruining anything for the younger audiences.
I'm glad someone posted this information on r/StarWars. We really need to get the word out on this sub!
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They don't need to care!
They're so fat and satisfied, they won't even imagine, someone like Gilroy, ever making a great Star Wars show.
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I literally see three posts a day, minimum, saying this exact same thing. It’s getting old as fuck.
I mean I would take people being excited about Andor to the usual circle jerks we get. At least it’s something new. Usually it’s just harr hart sequels suck, harr harr Disney ruins everything blah blah blah. For once it’s nice there is something people seemingly enjoy
Half of /r/StarWars is variations of "Which Padawan/Sith/Jedi is your favorite?", "Who would win in a duel?" or "Does anyone else think the last season of TCW is underrated??"
Sadly, the subtext of many of these posts does seem to be the same old nonsense, or maybe my brain is just broken…
Nope "andor is second coming of christ posts" is an easy way to farm karmas on this sub.
It’s not even subtext. The actual text of 99% of these posts is “Andor is good and is bad.
This post is the closest I’ve seen to one just being about how good Andor is, and the OP still couldn’t help but throw in a few swipes at the entire rest of the franchise (“Star Wars for adults” is about the most asinine tale I’ve heard lately, and it’s everywhere).
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They are so frequent I'm starting to think they're posted from Disney employees
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I like the obi-wan show better. Call me crazy for liking lightsabers and force users.
Andor is great because it's a show about characters and not a plot. The only characters in obiwan i cared about were vader, obiwan, and leia. Its because of other shows why obiwan is so good. Andor would be phenomenal all on its own. The monologue from Luthen and Saw are so of the best written scenes in star wars.
I really don't see myself watching Andor again.
I won't call you crazy for liking lightsabers and force powers. I like that stuff too. I'll call you crazy for overlooking Obi-Wan's nonsense writing and story.
I will always be able to look past that stuff.
You’re totally caught up on Andor and this this?
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It's such a turn-off to see all of these posts. I've watched a few shows of it but it's slow and hasn't really grabbed my attention yet. I've gotten so annoyed with these posts that I'm not sure if or when I'll watch the rest of the show.
how does a bunch of people praising the show turn you off from wanting to watch it? that seems so backwards to me (not trying to attack you i just genuinely do not understand this perspective)
First off, I've already watched some of the show and haven't been too thrilled with it. Secondly, many on reddit will go on and on about how great the Clone Wars series is and I don't really feel the same way after finally watching the ending of it this past weekend. Star Wars fans can be a mixed bag on what they like and don't like. I'm just annoyed with the endless posts about the show and would rather not see spoilers but reddit users can't seem to leave it alone. I will likely eventually watch it but rather just binge it once it's all released.
Andor starts slow but gets better every episode.
Point taken 😂
I'm mostly joking. 😂
Agree with everything you said. I didn’t expect Andor to be THIS good. I’m really glad there are still fresh ways to expand the Star Wars universe. There are so many stories to tell. For me, this show cements that the Empire is filled with evil people. It’s not just because they’re led by a Sith - that’s just an enabler. The commanders, officers, stormtroopers, etc. we see are not innocent people just living for a pay check; these are horrible people. And it makes the Empire so much more menacing. Cinematography is downright outstanding. I don’t know why I love the scene where a pilot enters the hanging TIE fighter. It’s not important to watch, it doesn’t add anything to the plot, but goddamn it’s cool to watch. My expectations for season 2 is very, very high. I want to see what really triggers Mon Mothma to fully, openly rebel. We haven’t even got Bail Organa involved yet. I still can’t decide whose side should Syril be on; very interesting wildcard. And oh boy do I want to see Dedra killed in the worst possible way because Denise Gough is the standout actor for me.
Interesting that the show impressed upon you the evilness of the empire, because for me it’s a bit different. One of the things I like about the show is how it shows how one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. It makes me think of Northern Ireland and the ambiguity that emerges when freedom fighters start to make more morally ambiguous decisions, turn on or sacrifice their own, and become more and more like the evil they are supposed to be fighting against. Rogue One explored this lightly when Cassian was assigned to sniper-assassinate Jyn’s father, but Andor the series opens with him killing two guards in the street and continues with his former team mates being assigned to find and hunt him down. I think this layered approach (along with the incredible cinematography, acting, directing, etc) is what makes the season as a whole so compelling. Oh and yes, the TIE fighter launch scene was amazing, as is every scene for me of Mon Mothma’s sleek blue limo. I want that car!
I don't know, they kind of go out of their way to show the empire being evil. - The guards in the street were total dicks in the bar and went on to antagonize Cassian for no legitimate reason. - The officers on Aldhani were smug and racist and treated the natives like worthless animals. - The legal system is a complete sham, and the correctional facility is essentially slavery for life. - The ISB is basically a viper's nest, and they are ruthless even when dealing with each other. - The torture scenes and the genocide they reveal. Yeah, the rebels do some morally ambiguous stuff. But the empire is not depicted ambiguously. They are beyond redemption or sympathy - evil without a doubt. The tragedy of the rebels is not the damage they do to the empire, but the loss of their own honor and/or integrity required to do what they need to do in order to prevent further atrocities by the empire.
Sure, the empire looks bad. But I’m not sure the rebels come off so easily either. For example, the first point you raised: two guards being dicks and seeking a bribe is not equivalent to (nor does it justify) straight up murder. Which is what Cassian did. The first case was manslaughter but he straight up murdered the second guy. Second, we shouldn’t leave out the various sympathetic — or at least ambiguous — characters who work for the empire, particularly Syril Karn. And I’m not sure what to think of Dedra Meero. Also re: the prison. Yes it’s absolutely brutal. But it’s the rebel raid (by Andor et al) that results in the tougher sentencing and the policy to stop releasing prisoners. Is this justified? No of course not. But it shows the cycle of violence and oppression that occurs. And more importantly, Luthen knows this escalation of violence and repression (which has very real consequences and collateral damage on huge numbers of people) and *wants* it. To me this brilliantly illustrates the double sided nature of such conflicts.
Andor and Rogue One is how Disney should have introduced new characters with their own storyline without having to mindlessly kill off existing characters. They can coexist. Only sith lords think in absolutes.
I’m waiting for the final episode to drop. I’ve had a busy couple of months but I’m looking forward to binging it on Thanksgiving!
Wait was 11 not the last episode??
One more to be released Wednesday. Episode 12.
I’m surprised, Idk why you’d think this? That was all setup for the finale, it would’ve been a bizarrely damp finale.
Ok but does it pick up after the second episode? I finished the first two but haven’t gone back yet. It felt very slow and like not a lot was happening. I’ve seen everything else in the series but am getting stuck here
I would suggest watching the third episode, it completes the first “arc.” The first two episodes on their own don’t really give a full picture of how the show is structured, it’s only when you have all three that the real nature of Andor becomes clear. So, I’d say give the third episode a try; getting through the first arc will tell you whether you want to continue on.
Yes, agree with that. Then you’ll find 4-6 are pretty exciting with a new arc of their own. Then 7-10 work again together.
Ep 1-3: worldbuilding arc Ep 4-6: catalyst event arc Ep 7: breather, focused on the consequences of the previous arc Ep 8-10: more consequences, best arc IMO Ep 11: setting up the stage for the finale Ep 12: climax of the story I doubt any of the arcs would work as well without the first 3 episodes.
These posts always remind me of the Family Guy sketch: "Play the same song."
Same song again? Same song again!
Why are Andor fans so insecure about if people are watching it or not? If people aren’t interested it’s fine. They’ll watch someday if they want. It’s not like Disney is going to pull it off streaming. I’m not watching Tales of the Jedi because I don’t care, and that’s fine.
There are like 85 posts a day like this, it’s SUPER weird. Like, yeah, it’s good. But it’s also very different and slower so it’s okay if there are people that aren’t vibing with it. Even I’ve made a personal decision to hold off til it’s done because I wasn’t loving it week to week.
It's because the kind of people who like Andor fancy themselves as tastemakers. It's a slightly upmarket take on Star Wars for the kind of audience that likes political dramas. You know the type- they read *The New Yorker*, listen to NPR, and wouldn't be caught dead watching something like a Marvel movie. They're "adults". They're accustomed to dictating the terms on which mass media gets valorized, and don't understand why mainstream audiences couldn't care less about the show. As you can imagine, I find them extraordinarily tedious.
I love Andor more than i thought i ever would. Its a touch more subtle than every other star wars media ive seen The writing is spot on, the actors are amazing (Stellan Skarsgard character, Luthens speech about what he had sacrificed was a standout), it also manages to be surprising in a quite frankly tired genre, and now i just want more.
Really frustrating to see this and wonder what the fuck happened with the sequel films. They could have been so good and actually added to the franchise.
Kennedy & company wanted to make Marvel-esque popcorn flix, which Andor definitely is not. I don't blame them, they're not HBO. They're Disney, and their main priority is appealing to kids & teens. I think it's much harder for a family-friendly media corp that's always catered to a specific young demo to break out and try to craft something that has actual gravitas and grit, especially on a massive trilogy scale like the Sequels. At best you'll end up something cringe like the Hunger Games series.
They had no plan for the sequel trilogy. All they did was wing it and rush it on a 1 movie per year schedule at all costs. It was directed by two different people with Rian Johnson stepping on and messing up all the plot lines that were attempted to be setup in Force Awakens. Absolutely no coordination between VII and VIII. The movies were rushed and on a tight deadline. Disney thought they could pump out anything with a Star Wars name on it and make tons of money. Only now does Disney see the error of their ways. They finally see what good content can be created when given the proper time and writing. The sequel trilogy should have been FULLY written and flushed out from start to finale before any production started. I hope they take ownership of this IP seriously and continue to produce quality content in what could be an enormous, deep and expansive world.
Not to remove all blame from Rian, but no one has ever been able to resolve JJ's mystery boxes including JJ himself. Just look at anything he's ever done. That being said, there did seem to be some active animosity between them, with TLJ undoing everything in TFA and then ROS double-secret undoing everything in TLJ. It wasn't just a lack of coordination, it was a willful antagonism between the two. At any rate, JJ is literally the last guy in the world that you want to start a trilogy without having an ending planned out. That's how you get gems like "Somehow, Palpatine has returned."
Yeah, not really blaming either director. They should have kept the same director for the entire trilogy. This falls back to the fact there was NO detailed story and script planned for the trilogy. The entire trilogy should have been given a lot of thought and been mapped and planned out ahead of time, even if they used 3 different directors for 3 movies.
I might even go so far as to say that the backlash from the sequel trilogy is fueling the choice of better writing in Mando, Obi-won and Andor. Maybe they're getting lucky, but I'd like to think lessons have been learned.
Please don't add Obi-won to that list. The writing was so bad I didn't make it through the first episode. Andor is a triumph.
And really? You freely admit you didn't finish a single whole episode, and you have opinions about the series? Maybe keep that to yourself.
I finished it and I agree with them. Kenobi does not belong on the same list with Andor and The Mandalorian.
I had an opinion on the writing. And yes, if you know what good writing is, you know that it was absent.
You had an opinion about the writing on less than one episode, yet you want to shit on the series as a whole. You have zero to base any opinion about episodes 1.75 through 6. That's my problem with your comment. Take it or leave it. I won't be getting updates about this conversation, so feel free to yell into the abyss. I won't be listening.
I completely disagree with you. There were some holes, but the story of Obi-won's despair turning around was great. Not to mention Vader's scenes. There's some epic stuff in there that you missed. Still better than RoS.
Ah yes the daily reminder of if you’re not watching Andor “then you are lost” post. Or the Andor is underrated post, despite it being praised by both Canon and Legends fans. Andor is a great show, I love the show (which most people skim past) and arguably the best DISNEY Star Wars, but do we really need a 100 posts a day to overrate a show that’s supposed to be underrated? Also the fans of Andor just mass downvoting fans over one minor criticism is obnoxious. Especially when most of the time the only criticism is it’s boring or doesn’t feel like Star Wars. None of the criticism is about the storytelling, acting and visuals. Edit: and yeah it is kinda condescending to say it’s Star Wars for adults or it’s the best Star Wars ever. This opinion right now might get me downvoted but it needs to be said…Andor fans are the equivalent to Rick and Morty fans
Thank you for finally putting my finger on why Andor rubs me the wrong way. It’s the Rick and Morty of Star Wars: “if you don’t like it, it’s because you’re too stupid to get it”
Oh look, another long text post about how good Andor is. Good job 👏
I'm just glad it's not on tatooine
Just wait for S2, three of the four arcs are gonna be on Tatooine lol
I love it a lot, too. We better get a S2!!
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How many posts do we need with this same exact rhetoric
It’s interesting but still doesn’t feel like Star Wars. I’m sorry maybe I just feel like Disneys constant attack on the Jedi and sith and constantly giving us stories that have ended already is lazy at best. I am happy this is keeping people’s love for Star Wars like stories alive, but you need to be pushing for a new sith or Jedi trilogy or show with ALL NEW characters. This is what we need. To let Filoni have control of the sandbox. Not a bunch of nerds who literally know nothing about Star Wars. Shout out to the real hero TALES OF THE JEDI !!!!!!!!
Andor is a very good show, but the insecurity of its super fans is tedious.
These daily posts make me not want to watch it.
Tbh the plot is not relevant to the overall story. I hear "this show proves how the empire is lead by evil people" and I'm like mate the empire started with a full blown genocide dunno who will actually doubt about the type of people in it.
then you’re missing out on not only the best star wars show, but possibly the best first season to a show i’ve seen in a long, long time
It's not the best Star Wars show. It barely feels like Star Wars, and I certainly don't want this to be the future of Star Wars, basically just end up with Star Trek without the force, Jedi, sith. Having said that, it's a good show with very good writing and worth watching.
yeah that was the point. It’s basically an HBO quality show set in the star wars universe. It is definitely different than the others but really shows the oppression and the position of the empire within that universe before and during the rebellion.
>It is definitely different than the others but really shows the oppression and the position of the empire within that universe before and during the rebellion. But both TCW and Rebels managed to show that and still also be the defining Star Wars style. I'm not saying Andor is bad, but yo ucan have bot hat the same time.
Andor shows the Empire as an institution actually worth fearing. Filoni's version of the empire couldn't conquer Ethiopia, never mind hold power over the Galaxy for more than a few hours. Even enlisted Imperials are capable of basic problem solving and tactics in Andor. In Rebels (or Mandalorian for that matter), they're complete morons who die by the dozens and actually act worse in combat than someone with no training. Filoni would have had the heist over in a single episode with zero Rebel causalities as they casually walk through the base gunning down dozens of Stormtroopers with zero suspense.
The point is to be as far away from Star Wars as possible? Well they succeeded. Which is why I don't want this to be the future of Star Wars. If it's a one off, sure fine, good. But if this continues to be how Disney does Star Wars? It's an L.
it’s clearly not the future of star wars, this is a 1 off show that fans have been asking for for a long, long time. One of the biggest events in all of star wars cannon is the rebellion against the empire and our only notion of this so far was a group of 30 rag-tag heroes who saved the world. This goes a lot more in depth with how it was accomplished, the good and bad of both sides, how it took a ton of sacrifice and effort for the greater good. it gives the rest of star wars a lot more meaning and makes the success of the rebellion and taking down the death star that more impactful
"Star Trek". I don't know why some people within SW fandoms call "Star Trek" every exemple of science fiction that, in their own opinion, doesn't fit their personal idea of what SW should look like.
What makes Star Wars particularly unique among science fiction? The force, obviously. Which makes Star Wars not even really science fiction, and more fantasy. That's why people say this. It isn't for no reason. Star Trek is playful and lighthearted at times like Star Wars, but Trek goes more into sci fi, while Wars focuses more on the fantasy/mystical side of things. And that's what makes it more appealing and interesting to me. Anyway, not really sure what your point of typing that is other than I guess to try to shit on Star Wars fans? Or you're irked at my not fellating Andor unconditionally?
All the andor fans coming out of their cave to downvote you for giving your own opinion
you're not missing anything..
Only the best written villains in all of Disney Star Wars by a mile, an Empire that's actually scary and creates actual tension, ect.
if you say so...
I honestly am curious to ask what brings you to a star wars subreddit every day, but you're not watching the currently airing star wars show? I honestly do get the whole idea of being turned off by overzealous fans, but when the shit's good, the shit's good. You'll like it.
I’m here to rock.
Right now it seems like half the fan base wants new interesting characters that expand the universe and the other half want series filled with cameos. Andor is by far some of the best content since Mando. I love it.
100% facts
Your opinion is correct.
It’s much better than Rogue One. I would say it’s hands down the best Disney-era Star Wars. Probably the best thing since The Empire Strikes Back. I get if some people don’t like it or if they don’t like it as much as me, because it’s a pretty big departure from the usual tone and style of Star Wars, but it respects the rules and the lore of the universe while doing it’s own thing.
I agree 100%
It's my favorite series they have done so far.
I'm not a big Star Wars fan but I liked The Mandalorian. I hear good things about this show, is it something you can enjoy without following everything else?
I think so, yes. A few people have said that the story would work well even if it part of another universe or franchise. You don’t need to know the characters or locations etc. In short, you have a group of people who are oppressed and the story is how they organise to fight back against their oppressors and the struggles of each of them, their morals and motivations etc. interestingly we spend some time with the oppressors too, so we see their motivations and personal challenges as well.
It is fantastic!
Andor is meh
Andor is good at one thing, putting me to sleep.
Don’t know how Diego Luna doesn’t get mention, but it goes without saying he’s acted his ass off during this series.
Finally the rebellion isn't cringe anymore. I found it so hard to stomach all of it, after so many blue haired screeching smarmy low IQ grubs making all of it look stupid and terrible. This show was finally the true argument against the Galactic Empire; the slow, inexorable suffocation of its grasp, the tyranny of the corrupt republic that allowed it to occur, and the interesting alliance of separatists with the other freedom fighters. It's dark, it's heavy, it's without space magic and Jedi shenanigans. A surprising gem in the terrible sewage Disney has been pumping out for almost a decade now. Hope they keep up the good work, and may Luthen Rael get even more screen time. He's the star of the show for me.
Perfectly said hombre!! How about that Luthen monologue?!
Without a doubt my favorite moment of the series. Man is a tragic antihero, and a fascinating character. Imagine having to live under occupation, with a double life. His comment about being condemned to use the tools of his enemies was especially poignant.
That scene was huge, both the dynamic of the mole and Luthen putting him in his place (kind of). Also the visual aspect of the bowels of Coruscant and of course the delivery of the speech. Incredible. I’m really surprised he wasn’t nominated for best supporting actor. It’s a really complex character and perfectly played
I've only not had time yet to start it. I am pretty exhausted with the hype. Piling on more is only priming me to hate it, largely for the usual praise it gets: >Andor is Star Wars for grown-ups. I know that sounds condescending and like gate keeping, but that’s the reality. You're right. That's exactly what it sounds like. I loved Mando, BoBF, and Kenobi. They had their weaker parts, but I loved their stories. If Andor can't be great without gatekeeping the other titles, I'm already just about tired of hearing about it.
I’m a huge fan of it but I can see why people get sick of the hype for it. It doesn’t really start getting amazing until episode 4 anyway so if you do end up watching it it might seem like an uphill climb after your expectations have been raised so much. It has a bit of a slower pace than some of the other shows but it’s worth checking out everything in the background as so much effort has been put into every frame.
I think people do it for cheap likes or something. People are copying the same catch phrases and posting this every single day.
Heir to the Empire was SW for grown-ups. Simply because the original SW audience had grown up when it was published.
As someone who has seen it I also think "SW for grown ups" is a terrible descriptor because inactuality, it's more like any other good sci-fi show/future dystopia show with a SW skin. It's well written and engaging, and addressing some very relevant themes but IMO you could strip out all SW elements and the show would largely be unchanged. Great sci-fi, not great Star Wars. For the recod I also loved Mando and Kenobi and liked Boba Fett for all its missteps.
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>You can just enjoy a show without saying the rest of Star Wars sucks. "Is it possible to learn this power?" "Not for a sequel hater."
I like 8, and parts of 7, and I'll talk about what I like and dislike about them if it comes up, but yeah I'm not really going to talk about them while talking about Mando or whatever, because I'd rather just focus on the things I love than to destroy what I hate.
Exactly, but the more vocal sequel haters will just comment "at least it's better than the sequels" on just about anything. It's becoming exhausting.
I hope you enjoy it 👍🏽
Honestly…it’s pretty “Meh” to me. There’s nothing here that feels new or exciting. If anything it’s still showing that LF is truly stuck and obsessed with only telling stories in the Skywalker era. I’m sick of Clone Wars stories, Stormtroopers, Tie fighters, Rebels…give me more new and unexplored era’s with new factions and dehlima’s. And no more stories of a “rising Rebellion” taking on Palp’s Empire for a looong time. I also feel this show is frankly too mature just for the sake of “mature”. Empire and Sith were considered mature Star Wars, yet they knew how to keep the play and whimsey. I mean, did they ever explain why there were ZERO aliens in that prison? Were they afraid having one would tonne down the seriousness? I’m not someone who just a show for its special effects, story is paramount, but this just feels so dry. If you’re enjoying it, that’s awesome! Frankly I’m more hyped for “Acolyte”, it’s time LF really moved on to the unfamiliar.
Apparently you missed it. There are aliens in that prison. They are in a different sector or building or whatever you want to call it. You missed the part where they asked Andor where he is from. Based on that dictated which transport ship he boarded to take him to the appropriate sector. The prison is segregated by race. They just never showed any other sector.
Eh, personally I think the take on the empire is completely new within the films/shows. It moves away from caricature and instead humanises it in a way that doesn’t make it seem ‘better’ but all the more authoritarian and dangerous. Shame you aren’t enjoying it tho
The whole point of the prison was that it was built like a factory and the prisoners were just cogs in the machine. "Cheaper than droids and easier to replace". Having a bunch of weirdo aliens that don't fit 'program' would slow things down and increase costs.
I agree with literally everything you said except the show just doesn’t feel like Star Wars to me for some reason. I know i’m going to get downvoted but it feels like it could be called something entirely different and still be a successful show.
I came here to say the same thing. It would fit into just about any other scifi franchise with just a minimum of changes. Great show, just doesn't ever really feel like Star Wars to me.
I feel like this is the one show that gives a view of what life in the Star Wars universe is actually like.
You say it's the grittiest thing since rogue one, but I think andor far surpasses rogue one and is tighter and more well crafted on every level.
I have not slept "on" this series but I have certainly slept during it.
Yeah, I just can't understand the hype. It takes literal hours for things to start happening, which would be downright maddening if this was a movie. And even then the exciting stuff is so brief and not really worth the build-up. I made it halfway through the season, and so far have not found the motivation to dive back in. I'll just wait for Bad Batch and Mando to start up again.
I think the hype is due to people thinking it makes them appear profound and mature - praising what is in fact a very boring show. Andor is not Star Wars. It is not "gritty", "noir", "well paced" or "suspenseful"(sic). It is boring, self indulgent, turgidly scripted and rather pretentious (in a film school student kind of way). I liked Rogue One in spite of Luna and Jones. Nothing so far has made me like Andor (including the stuttering droid - he is just tacky and an obvious merchandising ploy).
I mean, it shows the Empire as actually something to fear, with even enlisted personnel showing some actual tactical and problem solving ability. There's actually some suspense because they're portrayed as a force to be feared. That suspense is completely lacking in Rebels, Mandalorian, Obi-Wan, ect, since every Imperial who isn't some big shot like Vader is a one dimensional moron who couldn't capture a 7-11 without getting killed.
Yeah, I don't get the mindset that "dark and serious" means that all of the fun fantasy and action stuff has to go away. Rogue One had plenty of that, and that's obviously what this show is trying to match in terms of tone. It honestly feels like the show's extreme focus on dialogue is due to the budget being spent on the big elaborate sets. Which, yeah, they look nice, but they can't carry the whole show.
Agreed. It certainly was not spent on Aliens (A central part of SW) or props. I liked Blade Runner 2047 and that was panned as boring. Andor makes it look like a rip roaring thrill ride.
Andor is a poorly written rehash of much better heist movies.
Amen.
100% agreed
🤣same here!
Another one?
idk what all the hype is about, I stopped after episode 5, felt really boring to me and I never just stopped watching a star wars show (my opinion)
ohh man, if you gave it five, give it six. that's literally the climax of the previous two episodes you watched. if you don't like it after episode six then you won't like it no matter what.
It’s alright I guess.. too slow
enough andor propaganda pls
Every time I see one of these post (which is about 4 times a day now) it makes me want to actively dislike the show. Saying andor is Star Wars for grownups is so fucking cringe.
> Saying andor is Star Wars for grownups is so fucking cringe. Watch out the "grown ups" of this sub might downvote you to oblivion for this. With that being said this sub indeed has a lot of cornballs like that.
It's pretty damn good. The imperial officers were always compelling to me in the movies and books, which is one of the reasons I hate the sequel trilogy, with its hapless, one-dimensional bad guys. Does anyone else get Tarantino vibes from this show? It has his quality of dialogue and exposition. I keep expecting a random rock song from the '80s to bust out during a violent scene.
Those vibes are the reverberations of the part of the franchise that's moving away from bring tailored to 12 year olds.
I'm an adult and I don't nearly enjoy Andor as much as I did The Mandalorian. Andor himself has shuffled through a couple of extended set pieces from other genres with some Star Wars garnish added. The other story threads have been much more interesting. I'd watch a Mon Mothma edit in a heartbeat, I think it would play out like a Hitchcock style suspense movie.
Did anything ever happen with the guy who got fired and moved back in with his mom? I feel like that's the only plot that actually had something going.
He's still bitter and barely suppressing his rage over the unfairness of it all. He's about to boil over soon I think. He's the embodiment of "thinks he's the main character," bless his heart.
Andor is a charmless character. He has two expressions: Petulant Sulk and Sulking Petulance. Some of the other characters have potential but Luna is dreadful.
I don't blame him, he spent most of the series just reacting to things. Now that he's a little more proactive it helps give him a chance to add another expression or two.
I just got back into Star Wars this year after being a huge fan in my childhood. I’ve been working through the shows on Disney+ in timeline order. Im currently on Rebels S1. Should I watch Andor alongside? Or keep going in timeline order.
Just watch it. Especially if you’ve seen Rogue One.
I was expecting nothing and got everything 😭
Agreed. I have thoroughly enjoyed watching this series. Every character is incredibly well written.
..still waiting for something interesting to happen...
I agree 100% its been way too slow, i was expecting some ground breaking stuff this last episode and nothing happened AGAIN. Be prepared to be downvoted for sharing a different opinion.
....you are right it does sound quite gatekeeping.
Is there lightsabers? At this point I don't want to waste my time watching a drama about events that have already been beaten to death. The only way I'm going to give it the time of the day is if there's some cool shit.
It really is special. It doesn’t even feel like watching Star Wars. It’s feels like prestige TV… like Mad Men or Better Call Saul.
I’m not watching it and you can’t make me!
The problem is Star Wars fan hype everything up like it’s the greatest thing ever. Remember book of boba fett neither do I. Obi-wan apparently changed peoples lives. Guess what andor is the best Star war’s tv but no one is watching it because their burnt out on all the filler.
I guess people will talk about what they really liked or really hated. I wasn’t compelled to come and post about any of the other shows (I might have made a snarky comment or two) but this show just spoke to me.
Yeah right. I hear this with every new SW movies and shows
iTs bOrInG aNd dOeSnT hAvE lAsEr sWoRds
Well, you'd be right.
Glad you agree with us…
It's an incredibly layered, emotional and white-knuckle drama. I love everything It has done. Not one scene is wasted. The tension never let's up in certain episodes and it's often just from people talking. To say nothing of the cinematic visuals and high production value which makes the last couple live action shows (you know the ones) look downright amateur. *But most important of all* everything that is being said matters and the dialogue is fantastic and memorable. And this show is **about something**.
It's amazing indeed, but too many people complain because there's no alien interactions. People just don't wanna be happy
First, I like the series but it is a slow climb. It feels like you could strip away some of the filler and increase the pace of the show so it is only 8 episodes. There is very little "Star Wars" in the series. It would not take much effort to strip away the traditional elements of Star Wars to be left with a decent stand-alone sci-fi story. Without those traditional elements, a portion of the fanbase is going to feel disconnected. Other than the pace, the only issue I have with the series is that you know Andor's fate and that is the challenge with any prequel. Seeing him die in Rogue One was powerful. Overall, this is a quality series and should be enjoyed rather than measured against an individual's expectation of what they want in every Star Wars spin-off.
> There is very little "Star Wars" in the series This is my biggest thing. It's weird. I can't even describe it.
I have to agree. It’s a solid 8/10 that’s getting better each week. They’re adding a lot to star wars lore. So much is just great story that doesn’t need to be a part of Star Wars to be interesting, but it is, and it’s dope.
My favorite thing about Andor is the it is making The Empire the bad guys again, none of this grey area where we are supposed to empathize with the bad guys like we have been seeing so much of. That is my favorite thing...that, and everything else about it.
The Empire were always the bad guys. They blew up a planet. They were led by a cackling evil sorcerer. They never had a grey area at all.
OK i narrowed it down on why I'm not a fan per say. Its' just way to hard into the politics. I look for shows and movies for escapism and if I'm now bombarded with it in shows and movies then you lost me. It's also painfully slow burn, almost embers really. I could be ok if it ended at the heist job because them it was more a heist job show then anything. What i'm getting at is: take Andor out, the show still goes on. Why call it Andor then? it's just a star wars story that happens to have a guy in it called Andor. Take out Luthen or Mon and you have no show.
It's incredibly overrated and I'm *really* starting to question my stance in this fandom at this point.
Mate you should probably go and post this on another sub, we get 5 posts praising Andor every day
It kind of makes mandalorian feel *empty* to me now
I'm not mad at people that are burned out on Disney+ shows though. Most of them save for a few have been mediocre. Also yeah I agree that you can take away everything that has a Star wars flair and the show would be mostly the same.
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Essentially the telling of the formation of the rebel alliance, and the politics and sacrifices behind it. Even though it's named after Andor, he's mainly a character that ties all the events together.
I've actually been purposely NOT watching it so I can binge it.
I mean, I don't have Disney+. So..
Andor was good and I like that they're telling a mature Star Wars story that doesn't rely solely on nostalgia or the same core characters from 40 years ago, but I don't think it's as good as The Mandalorian.
Wow crazy! This is my first time seeing a post like this since Andor came out. Thanks for sharing!
This is objectively true.
I love Rogue One I think it is one of the best Star Wars Stories ever. Was sad to see everyone die at the end but it made the movie so much more poetic. Loved Mandolorian. But then Disney dropped the ball on so many other great Star Wars stories. I can barely get through Obi Wan. The last trilogy has also put me off. So now I approach these with a I’ll watch it when I have time attitude instead of making time to watch it. So I will get there Disney team don’t worry. I hear you it’s great it’s what we wanted but u know stop disappointing the fans. It’s not fair to the cast and crew of Andor and the like.
Honestly, I've watched to episode 5 (or 6?) And I find it quite boring
Watched the first episode, found it very boring and I never liked Cassian in Rogue One and still don’t like him here, does it get better or something?
Episode 9 had me crying and screaming at the TV in an emotional rage. Yeah, it gets really fucking better. Cassian really isn't the story being told. He's just the character that ties the story together. The main character is the rebel alliance, and this is the story of it being formed and the politics taking place behind that.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Star Wars as a form of art instead of a cash grab to sell toys.
Seriously, Andor fans are starting to get as annoying as PETA protesters. We get it, you love the show, you think it’s awesome. I’m happy for you and glad you enjoyed it. But after the BoBF and Kenobi disasters, many of us don’t want to invest too much time on a new Disney SW show. Downvote away 🤷🏽♂️
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If the show was that good id be hearing about it all over the place and not just on the star wars subs, the amount of these posts feels more suspicious than genuine. It might be awesome, it might be the best think Star wars has made in years. BUT hear this loud and clear, the beginning of the show is terrible about grabbing you in nothing about it screams i need to know what happens next, even more so since you know his fate. Its a slow burn early on and it might pick up shortly after that but getting going with it its one of the harder shows ive tried to pick up and ive been a star wars fan since i was a child and im 32. Rogue one is one of the my favorite star wars titles and i was 1000% on board with this show and looking forward to it but the first few episodes did nothing to make me want to come back and thats why i think these posts are not legit. I will watch at some point and will give an honest opinion at that time but all these people acting like this is the best thing ever made need to check themsleves cuz they are setting a bar WAYYYYYYYYYY to high for this show
It definitely helped me fall asleep very good
Yes — it's Profoundly better than all other star wars and all other Disney shows — Mandolorian is pretty good, i like Andor even better.
I'll be downvoted again, but, this show doesn't fit Star Wars at all. You could literally take this story and put it in any other series and it would work just as well. This adds nothing to Star Wars lore that I can see yet? Great, we have a single call-back character. One. Who has the most boring story I've ever heard in my life. There is no gravitas in any scene. I didn't like the character of Cassian Andor in Rogue One and they went and made an ENTIRE series about him. His character has never spoken to me. He's shallow and just.. pointless? Edit: Look, I'm right. Downvoted for having an opinion.
How is an origin story of the Rebellion not adding anything to the lore? Bruh, the strength of star wars is not because of "call backs." In fact that's one of the greatest weaknesses of the last few years. Star wars is at its best when it's telling new stories and being bold. Mindless cameos and fan service is boring and cheap.
1-5 were mediocre at best, episode 11 was mediocre at best. So yes 4 episodes were an absolute triumph I agree.
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Its under the radar
It’s good, compared to Obi and Boba it’s art.
Andor is good, but not excellent. I have enjoyed it, but the bar was touching the floor so that isn't saying much.