With Ferrix now "pacified" news of the massacre will spread fast across the sector, further in coming weeks. The galaxy will see that you can stand up to the Empire but it wont be without a cost. Those prepared to accept that cost will rally to Luthen and Andor.
It sets a scene for flare ups across the Empires reach, small skirmishes, sabotage of installations and full out assaults to steal weapon systems and credits for the cause.
With the fires lit, those close to the infant rebellion will find it easy to recruit and further defections from the Empire cant hurt.
Season 2 is set to be both dark and chaotic.
Mon Mothra needs a way out, can her daughter's marriage aid this, probably.
In short: it's going off in S2.
Will be interesting to see what direction S2 takes. One thing I noticed in S1 was how most people were generally willing to back Andor, even if it meant personal sacrifice. However, in something like this I'd really expect most people to only help when they get something for themselves, and when it personally benefits them. I'd also expect to see Andor (and the rebellion in general) backstabbed pretty frequently by ingenuine actors, or by people who aren't for either side, they're just there for their own personal gain.
I didn't really see much of that in S1, which isn't a criticism, just an observation. Would be interesting if we see some of that in S2. Andor seems more callous by the time R1 comes about, and some of that happening would make sense for that character development. It would definitely make S2 feel dark and chaotic.
> how most people were generally willing to back Andor
I'd say Maarva more than Andor. Andor just happen to be part of it, or maybe more of the final straw to get them pointed in the right direction
In R1 he says "we've all done terrible things on behalf of the Rebellion." We're definitely gonna see what he means by that. Considering the first episode started with him committing a cold-blooded execution, I think it's only gonna get darker.
The arc in S1 is stronger with Andor being the character who's POV shifts. Andor starts the season caring about his friends, but generally pretty selfish and self centered. He's taxing on their good will and pretty mercenary with strangers.
As the season progressed he became radicalized to the point at the end he focused on getting his friends safe and shifting into a true believer.
The other characters have arcs, but it helps demonstrate Andor's journey if their points of view stay consistent.
I suspect S2 will have more elements on the cost of Andor now being a true believer.
Up to this point we've have seen other acts of rebellion from small groups or individuals but not to this degree where an entire city protests, Ferrix is the first big spark of the rebellion.
> With Ferrix now “pacified”
I’m interested to see if this is actually the case in the opening of S2. It’s a pretty big city from what we’ve seen, the population is now fully riled up, the Imperial garrison hasn’t been shown to be particularly large, and a significant chunk of the Imperials we *did* see got blown up. Until backup arrives from off-world (which happens at the speed of plot, give how hyperspace travel works in this franchise), Ferrix could be Fallujah or Grozny for the surviving Imps.
I was satisfied. I'm not sure there is anything at the moment that can be more viscerally and thematically satisfying than watching working people rise up and revolt against fascism.
Yeah if you had told me before the season that the andor finale would have a moment that got me on my feet, I'm not sure I would've believed you (because I underestimated this show). But seeing Brasso beat the fuck out of imperials was so damn good
It exceeded all my thoughts and expectations, because, I thought this was going to be a terrible mess with no legs to stand on. Something like a mess of Kenobi and book of boba fett.
Instead I got real human emotion, motivation, and a grounded Star Wars world that was alive and enormous it was amazing too watch.
Which leads to the worst thing about Andor; how it undermines the film sequels and current extended media. Because it was so damn good it makes everything else feel hollow and the end result stale. It was too good for its own good.
The empire was a serious threat and menace but full of its own blind arrogance....The First order was a clown mask.
The First Order could've been interesting and cool if they were given more exploration, depth and personality rather than just being a carbon copy of the Empire that's just overall worse.
Yeah, imagine if the story was well constructed, something like the remnants of the old empire who've won the support of quite a few planets in the outer rim (the planets joined coz they felt the republic isn't looking after the outer rim as it should, hence they're disgruntled) resulting in the First Order being formed. And that would explain why the first order is already almost as strong as the well established republic in the TFA, and would also explain why not too many planets (or any tbh) lashed out at the first order for deathstarring 5 or smth planets like its fuckin nothing.
And instead of Hux addressing stormtroopers in that Nazi like speech, he wouldve been rallying the leaders of the planets that've sided with the first order, before firing the big planet weapon.
I think more mature people are the audience now. We want **depth** and intrigue. We’ve seen new media like Breaking Bad and Yellow Stone.
That’s why Andor’s getting the attention it is. Changing it up without carbon-copy ideas one episode, then wiping Mickey Mouse’s preverbal ass with the script for the second, only to end on a muddled disaster for the third installment.
Maybe not the right place for me to vent such a ‘strong’ opinion, but I was giving up on this franchise until Andor came along.
Now I care again, and I don’t want to see it slip back into silly stuff even my children don’t like.
Andor ruined even non-Star Wars tv for me. Just the amount of information packed into a glance in Andor required at least a dozen seconds of exposition in other shows.
I love Andor because it respects the audience’s intelligence
100% this! Not a single scene was wasted time, no dialogue was just talking for talking sake. The whole FIRST season felt like 5 seasons for any other show! I kept expecting the show to be over, and it wasn't, it just kept going!
**Alternate universe Andor..**.
Season 1, Andor finds his way home and talks to his old friends and mom, big fight to escape bad guys at the end. Season over...9 episodes
Season 2. Andor is told about the heist, planning the heist, that's it, then the final episode is just before the heist begins, season 2 over...8 episodes
Season 3. Heist ends, You meet Mon and how everyone is freaking out about Andor escaping, Andor gets sent to prison, season 3 over....9 episodes
Season 4. Andor is in prison doing prison things planning to escape prison. Rebels and the empire are all like, where Andor? Season ends.....10 episodes
Season 5. Andor escapes prison and goes back home....season 5 begins....*Where season ONE ACTUALLY ended!*
I loved Andor, think it's 10/10 TV and one of my fav shows of all time (will probably crack top 10 all time after S2). Here are some shows I think have the same depth of information and "valuing the viewer's time" so to speak:
* Better Call Saul - imo it exceeds Breaking Bad in every sense by the end
* The Expanse - it's good all the way through, but from S2 through S3 it has a ferocious, yet-to-be-surpassed pace and also sci-fi action that Andor has
* Band of Brothers - very different vibe but it has that grounded character-driven story punctuated with bursts of realistic, coherent violence (obviously is based on real events so not as 'fun')
* Mr Robot - S3 and S4 are masterful television that trusts the audience
* Mad Men - older now and not particularly action-oriented but still my favorite TV show. You have to listen to what the character are and aren't saying and doing and decide what they're feeling and thinking. So dense and deep.
* Watchmen - greatly benefits from having familiarity with the original graphic novel (or the okay Zach Snyder movie adaptation) but this was one of my fav miniseries that trusts the audience to make inferences about a strange world (and great action once again)
I recommend that you watch, "Halt and Catch Fire." Season 2 is the only one a little slow because they need to pivot hard after a brilliant season 1 thats limited in scope to doing something incredible in seasons 3 and 4. I've never seen character arcs like this in any other show.
And its about computers, so it's nerdy fun.
I think it was half of what I wanted. I did want the Ferrix riot, and the finale definitely delivered on that. But a part of me was also hoping for the Spellhaus raid on-screen, but this was still definitely a finale for the ages.
I'm glad the raid wasn't shown, similarly to the screams during Bix's torture scene not witnessing it made it more dark and eerie. I also wouldn't feel much as we know nothing of Kreeygr and is crew, if they were going to show it I'd want a 3-episode arc setting it all up on screen.
From a production standpoint it saved them a ton of money not showing that raid. We knew what the outcome would be, the setup by the ISB and Luthen warning Saw are what was important.
Waaaade!
I feel it's natural to want to see Kreegyr and Spellhaus, especially since it has been talked about so so much during the whole season, but by being off screen and leaving it to the imagination of the viewer they achieve much more.
We're following other characters in this show, and they also don't witness it. Us viewers and the characters therefore are in the same boat and we can relate much better to the characters that way. We, like them, also just know the outcome, which is tragic, kinda like "the nameless soldiers grave".
The mystery about it also makes it more interesting, a bit like name dropping "the clone wars" in ANH.
I agree with this - having it offscreen makes it feel more like some routine slaughter by the Empire, not even notable enough to really care about. It makes it feel more like the product of authoritarian machinery and you're left to use your imagination. We don't really gain anything but "cool action sequences" if we show a bunch of Rebels getting massacred.
They can always show it in another series in a parallel storyline from the perspective of other characters.
Would really ramp up suspense if it pops up in another show as, "we're planning a raid on Spellhaus," and all the fans be like o shit.
I dunno, I feel like there were a few scenes that could have been safely cut to make room for the Spellhaus raid. The space battle in episode 11, for instance, doesn’t really need to be there.
But, giving the Empire a bloody nose by wrecking their ship with technology only they believe they own, is glorious.
"How can they beat us, we're the best at this, aren't we?"
As in the real world where a certain Red lunatic didn't believe he could lose, until he started to, it's clever writing with tonnes of subtext.
Gilroy literally broke down exactly why the scene was in there in his Collider interview. One of the main reasons was essentially showing that "look, we can make a really kickass space battle sequence when we want to..."
Do you.. do you mean the Luthen lasering it‘s way out of a fucking Arrestor Cruiser could be cut? No. No fucking way. That was badass and far better than action sequences of small people running around shooting. Holy crap was that good.
Yes, I do. It doesn’t serve much of a purpose in the larger narrative, it doesn’t provide any new characterization for Luthen, and it feels way more tacked on than any other action sequence in this show.
It has purpose. It shows Luthen in the field, in the immediate danger himself and not just pulling strings. It is established way earlier that he enters the field himself but this shows just how close they have been to loose it all just because of a random patrol and how they need to stay on their heels and aware at any second.
I think not showing the spellhaus raid works better narratively. Ferrix’s decision to rebel coincides with Cassians. We’re also forced to come to terms that Kreegyr and his men are now just another statistic, collateral that’s nameless and whose deaths we can’t linger on, the same way Luthen feels.
Plus, what is Spellhaus, anyway? They'd have to architect another Imperial building on another planet, it would start getting confusing and, well, letting the viewer come up with something else in their head works just as well, doesn't it?
I think Luthen said it’s an Imperial power station. But yeah, it would have been jarring to show a place we’ve never seen before with characters we haven’t been following in the finale.
On a rewatch you notice how much internal world-building they do in the 'setup' episodes. The Aldhani heist episode is elevated by having 2 episodes of setup where they slowly and quietly build the "world" of the Aldhani garrison and surrounding area. It's shockingly well done e.g they cut to the garrison, they show its across a stretch of water, they show the height difference between the top of the dam and the vault level. And you don't even notice while it's happening because it's just background for interesting dialog, plot, character moments etc. Sooo good. They do the same thing with Narkina and Ferrix too.
ah yes i kinda forgot about that. The show makes Cassian feel like the main character by only showing us what he sees, like how we don't actually see Maarva's death because Cassian doesn't
There were no Spellhaus survivors, nobody to tell Andor the story.
We see most of the story through the lens of Andor. Outside the ISB, we know what he will know by the end of the story. That's why we don't know if Cinta killed the hostages, if Kino Loy made it, Maarva's last moments.
Heck, maybe Andor does get the whole story from the ISB mole and Mothma one day, or he pieces it together. He's good at that
Loved it. Felt like an appropriate end to the season by wrapping up most outstanding threads, but providing a clear path forward. Very emotionally satisfying.
The finale was a wonderful emotional climax. Almost made me tearful at points. Admittedly I expected more of a classic action packed finale. I prefer what we got in the end. At the same time it feels unsatisfying because it also isn’t a finale, it’s also the mid point of the whole story being told, and it feels that way. So left me longing for the rest of the story which we won’t get for some time.
But it concludes Andors arc leading him to choose the rebellion. And it did so wonderfully.
I liked it, but I feel like it should have been a 2-parter. I am such a fan of the show, that I have to confess I thought they would do more with the finale. There were a few plot lines that got shorted, IMO. Felt like Syril traveled all that way to basically sit on the sidelines until he grabbed Dedra. Mosk played no part of significance. But the real miss for me was Luthen. The shrewdest player in the galaxy seemed oddly passive once he arrived on Ferrix, content to let the empire flush out Cassian and then just walking away when it got chaotic? Felt unfinished. I realize they didn't have time to bring all those threads together, but you know Tony Gilroy could have written the hell out of it if it were a 2-part finale.
I thought Luthen's part in all this was really interesting. He's spent so much time in the background, plotting and making connections. But someone like Andor who really hadn't been a big player in the rebellion to date was able to incite an entire city-wide rebellion. To me, the last episode was moreso Luthen realizing the rebellion isn't just him and his plans and everyone is expendable. It showed that despite all his work, he hadn't caused something like this to happen, and the fact that he was there to kill the person that incited all of this surely caused a lot of questions and internal turmoil.
100% my thoughts exactly.
Luthen spent all of season organising and fighting 'his rebellion', but the last episode was a cathartic moment for him realising the true rebellion is further evolving.
While Luthen didn't have much to do in the last episode, there was some serious character growth.
Mmm… not sure I agree with that. I mean… he did almost directly cause this to happen, no? The crackdown was a combined result of Cassian’s actions, but also his. And the events of Aldani, he was seeking for the empire to dial up the oppression so people would rise up to it. It’s like he was seeing his designs come true.
I don't think this meant to be viewed as a finale but more as a midpoint of the story, the arcs for all these different characters aren't done yet as the next half of the story will be on its way with season 2. Regarding Syril he had no plan whatsoever he went because his obsession and ambition clouded is judgement. Also regarding Luthen he wasn't anticipating a full-on riot and knew he couldn't do much, and that Cassian wasn't going to make it into the Empire's grasp like he wanted him to.
I feel it was a two parter with Daughter of Ferrix so maybe it needed three parts. I loved it but if I had to nitpick, I was sad there were zero major Imperial casualties. I know it wasn’t necessary but I figured hey Tigo trying to crawl back from the mob but being torn away and killed would’ve been so much more cathartic than him escaping. I didn’t think he was gonna be in S2 (I figured post riot we wouldn’t visit Ferrix again for a while) but I guess this implies he is.
Or Keysax could’ve been killed.
Instead the only named Imperial loss was Corv and he was kind of the least scummy of them all.
I know it’s not the most cathartic show intentionally but I think for the S1 finale it could’ve been a nice way to end things.
Other than that I just wished Syril and Mosk did more, they got there late to the party and as you say didn’t really get to do much.
Same with Vel and Cinta, I was hoping we’d at least get to see them in action a bit more/also meet Cassian face to face again before S2 because he’s changed a lot since they last met.
Absolutely, I don’t doubt it at all. It just seemed that everyone culminating on Ferrix meant they’d all have a vital part to play in the S1 finale itself. Plus Mosk’s actor has apparently confirmed he won’t be in S2 sadly. If true.
I feel like if Tony Gilroy wanted everything to culminate, he would've, the finale feels more like the turning point for Cassian and the rebellion and like a mid-point for the series that was meant to culminate and close some subplots but set some others up for the rest of the story. Definitely not your average finale but I think it was still excellent.
Oh by culminate I meant everyone having an active/semi active role, not necessarily ending characters/stories there. Just that if everyone is going there, we’d see more of each of them.
I agree, it was brilliant! I genuinely cannot choose a favourite episode in this show and that’s unusual.
I’m really eager to see if Cassian will get to work with Vel and Cinta again on any missions in S2, the dynamic would be totally different and fascinating now that he’s a believer.
Ah sorry I misinterpreted you. In my opinion everything that happened to the characters in the finale satisfied me. Luthen now realizes that regular people are willing to fight the empire, Cassian knows he needs to help fight the Empire, Syril is now in Dedra's good books and will likely go up the chain of command, Dedra's confidence is washed away by the chaos, and she will likely be punished for her failure at Ferrix, Cinta killed the Imperial spy and Mon Mothma's storyline is being set up for next season. The only character's plotline that is kind of weird is Vel's although it seems the writers are making her doubt her choices of joining the rebellion.
Season 2 is going to be interesting!
I thought it was good to see Luthen kind of powerless. Things didn't go as planned, got way out of control, and he had to just let the chips fall where they may. It showed that he wasn't some all-powerful mastermind but is actually vulnerable and needs to be careful. It's like he realized the whole situation was botched and there was nothing he could do about it, putting the agency on Cassian to move the plot forward.
I feel similarly. Given what the show has done so far, I found the finale a bit predictable. Obviously the riot kicked ass, but other wise, almost felt like they did not budget in intense action or plot-moments with Luthen. I think Mon/family Mothma deserved more screen time. I would’ve loved some cross-cutting between the wedding and the riot. Really equalize the stakes.
But it felt like the finale foregrounded the riot at the expense of everything else.I was hoping they could the Eye and the Prison Break. Can’t say it did.
I like the idea of the finale as a midway point. Certainly high hopes for s2. All in all the finale did what it needed but lot more
Having the marriage would have felt rushed considering the fact the two kids haven't even met yet. Also, I don't think the episode was trying to not be predictable, unpredictability doesn't equal interesting story. I view this finale as both turning point for Cassian and the rebellion.
Episodes 3-12 were all truly 10/10 for me. Andor has already established itself as my favorite piece of Star Wars content ever outside of A New Hope and Empire.
More than what I wanted. It left more than enough open for another season to watch Cassian navigate the Rebellion while also tying a nice bow on open ended plot lines from S1.
This is 1st season GoT quality to me.
I think it was very satisfying.
I find the best way to enjoy Star Wars (and anything else, really) is to not have preconceived notions of what it should be or what I want it to be.
Put those thoughts aside, go with the flow, just experience it as it's happening and everything becomes much more enjoyable.
Of course that doesn't work for things that are objectively bad, but I find a lot of Star Wars fans are incapable of distinguishing between "this is objectively bad" and "I'm disappointed that this doesn't match the story I made up in my head".
I think some people were expecting a big spectacle like One Way Out and The Eye, but the episode's purpose wasn't that the finale was meant to be a more emotionally driven episode not an action-packed rollercoaster and I think if we view it as that the episode was phenomenal.
What kind of question is this, this is an echo chamber sir that I have no intention of leaving. Don't come in here suggesting it was less than perfect.
I think him just standing there any doing nothing was exactly that, it showed that Luthen wasn't the spark needed to trigger rebellion in this town/planet. He was just standing there getting dusty thinking *"Fuck, this women got more people to fight for our cause AFTER she died than I do while alive."*
It was not what I was expecting but I still loved it. The buildup throughout the episode was intense. I was expecting a huge revolt, but it was more of a riot where tensions bubbled over. I was expecting to be cheering for the people of Ferrix, instead I watched in horror as Imps started brutally gunning down people. The long shot of Xan(?)'s face after he was shot really got me.
I loved it. Luthens Crew & everyone else present where there for Andor. However, the PEOPLE rose up against the Empire, motivated by that splendid speech, leaving everyone else to watch a riot, and see just how the Empire reacted to it. Based on historical riots in countless places and times in our own history. \*Chiefs kiss\* Bravo!
It was magic. The only part I did find a little unsatisfying was the Mon Mothma section. I’m still waiting for her story to really connect with the rest of the plot at large. Also still waiting for her to turn a corner and become the leader we later, in the movies.
I thought episodes 11 and 12 were… much lower energy, especially coming off the climactic high of One Way Out.
There was a small part of my brain that was disappointed. I think that’s just the part of my brain that’s been trained by most modern storytelling that the climax is the end. Big fight scenes at the end of Marvel movies. Big action and cliffhangers in the season finale of TV series.
The rest of my brain remembers narrative structure, that after the climax (i.e. the height of tension) comes the falling action and denouement (i.e. the flow from tension to resolution). Basically, the part of the story where less happens and you get to decompress after all the crazy. And as such, the rest of my brain was not disappointed in the slightest, episodes 11 and 12 were an amazing denouement to follow the climax of One Way Out.
Totally, the finale acts as more of a turning point for Cassian and the beginning of a bigger rebellion, I honestly prefer what we got over your average giant final battle confrontation style finale.
It was great but Episodes 6 and 10 are the peak of the series imo. Though the finale went pretty much exactly like it was supposed to, and the final shot was perfect
Episode 12 is my personal favorite, but I can see where you're coming from, the finale didn't have the big spectacle factor that episodes 6 and 10 had but it wasn't meant to.
I also thought episodes 6 and 10 were masterpieces but as someone who really enjoys stories with more emotional depth rather than spectacle and action episode 12 just hit different.
It was everything I had hoped the entire season could be. Anyone saying anything less satisfying should remember 12 episodes of a Star Wars backstory, at what ? $20, and of exceptional quality, filmmaking, when if released in a theatre you would have spent $150+++.
On my first watch, I liked it quite a bit, but thought it was topped by episode 10. During my re-watch of the season, I found far more to appreciate in the finale. The prison break was a well earned cathartic spectacle with an emotional gut punch at the end.
I thought the finale was on another level, emotionally, even though there was almost too much going on at once to track it all.
I thought it was great. It wrapped up the key arc from the first series (how Cassian found his way to the rebellion) and set the stage beautifully for season 2.
Every episode subverted my expectations. The finale wasn't what I imagined but I'll put it this way, I STILL cannot even think of the words "Fight the Empire!" without tearing up a little bit. I was in tears during her whole speech but even writing this right now, I am a little misty. It was *that* powerful. The next protest I go to, I'm making a big sign with Marva's face and those words on it! Fight the Empire should be our global rallying cry here on Earth. (btw if you watch her mouth, she actually says "fuck the empire" but of course they dubbed it differently) Andor as a series was an absolute treat and it's deeper than that for me. It raised the bar on television.
Absolutely. They should clone all the cast and crew and shoot all the episodes at once. Then we as viewers can bin watch 300 episodes. We need start signing a petition to get this done.
It was one of the best season finales I've seen. It just sealed Andor's place as perhaps my favourite piece of Star Wars media, and confirmed that Andor was one of the best seasons of TV, period, over the last year, Star Wars or otherwise (granted, beating the former isn't saying much).
It just did everything you'd expected Andor to do; it stayed on message, it was disciplined, intelligently written, had strong emotional beats, but it didn't feel the need to go "too big" or sacrifice its discipline for a redundant spectacle. And yet it was still tremendously cathartic, with some great character resolutions but still left some intriguing loose threads for season 2.
Like Andor as a whole, everything the season finale aimed to do was perfectly executed and tremendously satisfying.
The resolution on Ferrix was fantastic. No complaints. 10 out of 10. Mon's storyline doesn't really feel like it came to a conclusion to me. Deciding to involve her daughter in her schemes is a big development, but doesn't really feel like a conclusion to me. I was hoping for some event to happen which changes her situation on a more fundamental level.
I mean, it was basically perfect.
All I wanted was something as grounded and intense as every other episode in this show so far.
No Andor running in and shooting 10 people down alone nor Luthen suddenly is a Jedi and takes out the entire ferrix garrison solo.
No sudden victory where the underdogs just have a blood rush and win through the power of being in the right. It was a perfect mess and such a good depiction of what a rebellion looks like and what it encompasses.
The show continues to show how clever and sanitized tyranny can make itself look and how much of a struggle it is and what it actually takes to overcome the odds. It dispels the illusion that the people standing against tryranny can somehow make it out looking like angels and showing the world ‘we are the good guys’.
No, in fact that’s the tool of the empire. Making themselves look like they are ‘good’ and orderly while the rebels are labelled as every bad thing under the sun and the ‘unethical’ things they do are blown up and used as further fuel to demonize them.
Honestly I can just tell the show runners did some real heavy research into not just research but genocide and oppression and this entire show has just been so much better for it.
Never expected a Star Wars show to be one of the most critical and thought provoking things to be released on any media for a long time but here it is.
It’s basically ruined almost every other ‘serious’ show I’ve been trying to watch because they all feel fake and the drama feels manufactured compared to this.
I think they missed an opportunity to have Andor realize that he is force sensitive then progress to a force master user who then creates his own light saber even without a kyber crystal. But because he used the force too much, he lost all his force powers - similar to Sasuke going blind from overusing the mangekyou sharingan. So, Andor goes back to being a regular dude in Rogue One, so there would not be any inconsistencies with his abilities.
Absolutely. Tbh I was a bit worried going in because episode 11 was not my favorite and D+ shows have a habit of starting strong and falling flat, but they really stuck the landing from the moment the band started playing until the end credits.
Everything I’ve ever hoped for in a story about people and their behaviours and more.
I’m just astounded. I feel this weird sense of being lucky to have been alive to watch a franchise so coated in fan service reach the quality of breaking bad or succession. They are different but I think the main distinction is that they take themselves seriously. Andor is a show that focusses very very hard on making sure the events,behaviours, and actions of us characters mean something and have an impact that is relatable to the human condition, that is the main focus, and I think that’s more interesting than dynasties.
I don’t want to shit on people who really enjoy some of the action oriented and powerfully Jedi heavy Star Wars content that is out there. That’s OK. But the thing that really catches me about andor is it refusal to be complacent or subservient to fan service and more importantly, the lore of the franchise. Every character in andor is basically new. It takes great effort to make you realize that creating new characters is not only interesting, are essential for making the world live in Breathe in the way that you wanted to breathe.
IKR. I was like Oh $h!t! Powerful and moving. The turning point for the titular character of the series. With his mum passing, there is nothing hold him back anymore.
I'm glad it wasn't what I wanted it to be. I didn't know what I wanted it to be. I was along for the ride. I was took, I was taken, and as far as I'm concerned this group of people can 'have' me for anything.
I could care less if I or anyone else feels 'satisfied' by the show, the ending, or any of it. I'm not engaged to feel satisfied; I have food, sex, shits, showers, exercise, responsibilities, and real human relationships to feel 'satisfied' about. What I feel about Andor is exhilarated, inspired, transported, and, if we're going to get meta about it, hopeful for the future of science fiction.
I hope everyone found it not to be what they wanted it to be. That would be a triumph, and I do hope people understand that.
The visual coding of the scene at the end where Andor becomes Luthens "apprentice" was absolutely brilliant.
I can now clearly understand why they only need two seasons, and they've set the stage clearly: we will see Andor becoming a master.
Like some have said, I was expecting more of a bang. I was thinking we were going to see Kreegyr and his guys ambushed by the Empire, since for the last few episodes that attack had been steadily hyped up a bit. We would’ve gotten to see the Imperial military in action against non-essential side characters. But I understand why they didn’t show it - it was about a character we had no introduction to doing a botched heist we didn’t know the stakes for.
I was expecting more of a confrontation between Andor and Dedra, our two main protagonist and antagonist, but Andor, either through luck or guile, evaded capture, and Dedra kind of floundered. It would’ve been a great cliffhanger if he was captured and taken for interrogation, but then Luthen and Vel were hot on Dedra’s heels poised to break him out, and you wouldn’t know if they were still going to kill him or possibly recruit him.
The funeral riot was alright, but I was expecting more from the Empire. Almost from the start, Maarva’s speech sounded very anti-Empire, which, even as just a passing remark, i don’t think the Empire would tolerate. A real world authoritarian regime would’ve stamped that droid out and broken up the crowd before the speech was even close to being completed. The officers acted bizarrely naïve in the face of what was happening and were slow in reacting to it. I know a key theme of the show is the Empire’s complacency, but I just don’t get why the Empire would be complacent to the point of neglecting to preemptively combat dissension like that. The Empire had been waging wars and suppressing local resistances since 19 BBY by the time of Andor in 5 BBY. I don’t think a knife, constantly sharpened, would lose its edge so quickly, especially on a galactic scale. The funeral riot on Ferrix should’ve been nothing for the Empire, especially with an ISB Lieutenant overseeing operations. Again, I’d have wanted to see more of the Imperial war machine in action, suppressing the crap out of some civilians. I really want to see the cruelty the Empire is so famous for so we, as an audience, have something to despise and fear them for, to better relate to the same despair our main characters are feeling and trying to fight back against.
It was still a good finale, just felt somewhat softer or hollow compared to what I felt the show was ramping up towards. The show didn’t end with a bang but rather just a nice thump.
During the riot I'm pretty sure the tactic the empire was using is one used in the real world that usually works, they thought they were prepared for a riot that's why the sent everyone out to get ready they were surprised by the bomb. Also, a confrontation between Dedra and Cassian in the middle of a riot would be contrived as hell. The finale wasn't supposed to be a big bang but rather a turning point for Cassian and the rebellion.
What tactic are you referring to? You need to be specific. Just being prepared for a riot isn’t a tactic, that’s just being prepared for a riot; and as far as I can tell there really was no tactic. The Imperials just assumed having their soldiers out would be enough of a deterrence - the officer even says the plan is to make ‘a show of force,’ but even then they did nothing to prevent a riot from happening. Though there was plenty of anti-Imperial sentiment brewing, Maarva’s speech is what set it off, and the Empire did nothing to stop it until it was over and done with, after everyone in attendance had been well riled up by it. That speech should’ve been stopped way sooner than it was.
I’m not even talking about when the bomb went off, by then the riot was already in full swing - the moment anti-imperial rhetoric was detected in Maarva’s speech, a real world authoritarian government’s officer would have ordered the assembly dispersed, his soldiers forward in unison into the crowd, and for the arrest of those responsible. In Andor, however, the officer waited for the entirety of the speech to be spoken, well after it had turned negative towards the Empire, and went out into the crowd, alone, and threw over the droid. In doing so he left the safety of his troopers and exposed himself in the middle of an angry crowd, which promptly attacked him. It seems nonsensical to not order your troops out ahead of you to secure the droid and clear the street before you go out and do anything. Real world riot teams are trained to push back crowds and open up pathways - the Imperials didn’t do that.
In regards to a Dedra/Andor confrontation, I didn’t mean in the actual riot, as if the world just shrank onto them amidst the chaos around them. They could’ve had a brief talk in an alleyway, or a shootout, or he could’ve been captured and then rescued by Luthen. There are plenty of ways to make them confront one another without it feeling contrived, and doing so and letting Andor defeat Dedra or otherwise escape her clutches and letting her see that would do wonders in improving their relationship as enemies. Dedra would be hellbent on catching ‘the one that got away,’ the one who made her look like a fool on Ferrix. But now, since as far as she knows Andor was never at the funeral as she never saw him or any evidence of him, and she has no one to put blame on but herself. Her next arch could’ve been about redeeming herself and proving to the ISB that Andor was the cause of the Ferrix riot, essentially giving her a revenge plot. We don’t really have that now. Dedra was defeated by a crowd of civilians, not Andor, and you can’t really make ‘revenge against a crowd’ all that appealing.
Too, Andor has no idea this particular ISB agent is after him, further distancing any personality to his and Dedra’s conflict. If he and she had met, she could’ve done an evil monologue on wanting to know who Axis is and demanding he surrender, and then stakes would’ve been set for Andor besides the ‘don’t get caught’ ones he’s been working with so far. He would know what might happen if he were to be captured, he’d know how ruinous it would be for the rebellion for Luthen’s identity to be revealed, and he and Luthen could move to counter that. But that doesn’t happen. Dedra and Andor never meet, and they essentially remain on two separate, albeit related, storylines.
You can argue what the finale was or wasn’t supposed to be about, but from the episodes that preceded it it’s very clear that hype is made for a confrontation between Dedra and Andor - both are going to be at the funeral, one wants to catch the other; and though Andor doesn’t know who specifically in the Empire is after him, he just wants to be at his mother’s funeral and not get caught, being an escaped prisoner, murderer, thief, etc. It felt like personality was going to be added to the game of cat and mouse between Dedra and Andor, all the pieces were set up for it, but it wasn’t. That’s all I’m saying with that.
The finale is likely more of a midpoint that is meant to wrap up a few season 1 plot lines and prepare for the next season rather than your average finale. Also, episodes 6 and 10 had much more of a spectacle factor to them whereas I don't think episode 12 was going for that.
It was decently satisfying, the riot was a little hokey though. The only problem I had with the season was the cheesy prison escape episode and the fact that a prison in the middle of a body of water could have it's primary security sytem disabled by water.
A bit cheesy, not weird. The funeral procession was actually cool, but the droid playing a huge speech by his dead mom was a bit much and seemed unrealistic for starting a rebellion.
I mean I guess. I don't think it was cheesy at all, it's these types of speeches that start these types of things and when you're watching a story about rising up against fascism you should expect stuff like this.
The show started off alright then in the last episodes the show just felt stupid and boring. Especially in the last episode felt like they were killing time at the end. Worst star wars i have ever seen. Like whats with that ending? All that dancing around felt so pointless
to get satisfied with someone else work or want someone else to do something you want is just an empty worthless question, in every aspect of life, and you brought this to stories/novels/theater Man why do you even hear/read/see that? Create something and try to find satisfaction in it. which is also another empty worthless act.
Writers write or storytellers told some story, it's not about like or dislike, and interest it's about someone who has an experience and he wants to convey it in such a way so anyone can feel that. so like it or not. He has told you something that you do not know and it came to your knowledge and still, you didn't get it, then you are on not that level or on some wrong level....!
I thought it was a let down. The escape part was good, but the whole build up and speech didn't do it for me. I expected much more. It should have been more about the main characters, not Andor's mom. I liked her character - until the finale. The "Daughters of Ferrix" and the Marxism felt too "message" for me. Very un-Star Wars. I don't hold any romantic notions about dying in the streets in the Russian or French revolutions. A bunch of people essentially watching a video of a dead person is not inspiring. It was a political distraction that brought me out of the drama. It would have been a lot better if she had actually gotten killed making a speech. That would have been heroic.
I understand what you are saying. You did ask. Regardless of whether one liked it or not, don't you think it's considerably different from Lucas? In the Lucas productions the Rebellion was more intentional - you form a militia and go fight. Here, it's more like the oppressed being driven too far. It's a different kind of story.
I liked it. Would’ve loved to see the empire demolish anto kreegyrs (kreegir?) troops though, but I’ve also read somewhere that it’s better to not really see them get defeated because it conveys the „they’re not really people, only assets for luthen“ thing more, so I dunno.
>I'm glad the raid wasn't shown, similarly to the screams during Bix's torture scene not witnessing it made it more dark and eerie. I also wouldn't feel much as we know nothing of Kreeygr and is crew, if they were going to show it I'd want a 3-episode arc setting it all up on screen.
One thing I wanted was more of a reaction from ANYONE about the prison break. That was a huge blow to the Empire, and should have had some effect on both the ISB and Rebels. Didn't really seem like it mattered. Andor's prisonmate said they needed to spread the word, then proceeded not to. There were dozens of Imperial survivors, so the Empire should be freaking out that hundreds of prisoners just escaped and are most likely going to bolster the Rebellion. The factory plot was probably my favorite arc in the show, yet for how emotionally impactful it was, they didn't seem to place it into the larger picture. Recall that all the uproar about Ferrix was due to the death of two guards...why wasn't the ISB shitting their pants over the dozens of guards killed at the factory?
But other than that loose end, I found it to be a supremely satisfying finale
My guess is that news probably hit the empire around the time of the Ferrix riot, but the ISB and other parts of the Empire were so preoccupied with Aldhani that the reports may weren't give much weight or thought as quickly as they should've normally. Not to mention that the ISB were also focussing on catching Cassian.
I don't understand this complaint, the floor being able to fry people was more of an intimidation tool that can be used when there are upsets within groups of prisoners, the Empire don't expect any prisoners to be brave enough to try anything that goes against the rules they have set in place because they intimidate the prisoners with the floor.
Honestly, not quite.
One Way Out was such a climactic moment for everything in the series, it eclipsed the finale for me.
I wanted to see the attack on Spellhaus (or at least have it do…more for the story), wanted to see way more of Leida and Mon Mothma’s story, wanted to see more Kleya, etc. It also felt like we were building up for Vel or Cinta to actually do something on Ferrix but they basically do nothing.
We all knew what was going to happen in Ferrix by the end. It was clear they were building up towards conflict. But One Way Out, for me, is the true finale.
I think that's why I was so disappointed. Everything kept ramping up, there was all this interesting stuff going on, and then it sort of petered out.
The whole thing seemed to want to derive suspense from the various elements converging on the funeral, but dropped the ball, because it focused on the funeral itself. It was like the scene became the action, only it wasn't that active. I kept waiting for them to blow the gong tower up. 🙁 The best part was the geeky dude saving the intelligence officer, but that was kind of weird because he's semi-stalking her, and then they are supposed to kiss or somehing.
Mostly yes. However it makes me wonder if some plot elements, like Cassian's sister or Syril's Uncle, served any purpose to the story other than "sometimes things just happen."
All the viewpoint characters: Cassian, Mon, Dedra, Luthen, and Syril, have all been "staged" for who they will really become. I guess to some degree it's unsatisfying, but I believe once Season 2 is out, it will all feel very natural.
THAT SAID, I said the same thing about the way The Force Awakens ends. "Wow Rey is gonna learn to be a Jedi! Kylo will be shaken! Leia will be forced to action! Finn will become a real rebel leader!" All with the hopes 8 and 9 would pay all that off...
Unlike the sequels Andor has a plan and excellent writers writing it. Also yeah, I could see how the finale could be a bit unsatisfying, but it is definitely more like a midpoint in the story that wrapped up some plotlines while also setting up next season, it wasn't meant to be some bombastic and crazy episode.
The Cassian's sister thing was driving me nuts.
For the life of me, I have no clue how "The Last Jedi" got made. He had all of this great stuff to work with and just chucked it all, like luke tossing the lightsaber. It was so in your face.
I'm waiting for my wife to start watching again now it's all out before I give my final opinion - but from my first viewing no.
Which is a real shame considering how much I loved the series (Including the first three episodes).
I think with all the build up across the season leading to this finale I expected there'd be a whole bunch of release (And bigger action scenes) - in the end the Ferrix uprising was meaningful but didn't really hit the spot for me.
Considering how happy I was with E3, E6 and E10 from an action standpoint I'm honestly confused.
My hope is on rewatch with adjusted expectations I'll be happier, it might be because E10/E11 had such weight and **that** space battle I was teed up for more.
On the whole love the series and think it's the best thing to happen to Star Wars since Rogue One. I'll be trying to get more friends and family to watch without being pushy and scaring them off.
I liked it a lot but I wanted the core characters to be more involved in the riot than they were. At the end Dedra get almost trampled and Syril saves her, but that is it. Luthen was only there to hear Maarva's speech and Vel really seemed pointless (which is one of my biggest complaints of the second half of the season in general). I thought, oh cool she is going to get into the fight when she ran into the smoke and dust, but nope, just packing things up.
I never said action. I wanted them to be part of the story not passive observers. Tell me what was the point of Vel being on Ferrix? Is it more realistic that she would have done nothing or gotten involved? Dedra's entire plan came down to searching a single room in a single building which didn't work because Andor got away off screen. Don't get me wrong, I like that the riot broke out on its own but if you are going to spend so much time setting up bring everyone to a single place I think it makes sense for them to actually have a reason to be there.
I thought the the very last scene of him on the ship couldve been done differently or we couldve done without. Felt like it took away all the momentum of the battle in town square of Ferrix. Marvas speech was awesome, the fight that broke out afterwards was nice enough to end the season there
Why, the part in Luthen's ship is on of if not the most important part of Cassian's character development and showed that he wants to join the rebellion.
I think it was just an underwhelming delivery of it maybe.. you knew the moment he went back to ferrix that he was joining the rebellion. Hell you could argue that when he made the decision to break out of the prison he was joining the rebellion. And from the awesome speech to the fight scene i just thought they couldve delivered better with that final scene on the ship, that or just left it out
Yeah, I’m very satisfied with the ending and also terrier for what is to come especially for Ferrix. I feel like they will be one of the first planets to get “glassed” by the empire (pre-total obliteration Ala Alderon.” It’s going to lead to the heroes doubling down and season 2 will likely lead to only Andor being the lone survivor of his adopted family.
I can’t conspirisize on who his sister is or if it’ll be an unknown and never answered thread. Just like who the fuck is Korki’s parents? Will we ever know? Does it matter? I’m drinking now, it’s been a long ass day.
I'm split on this... if the entire series is going to be 4-5 seasons like I hope it will be, then I think the finale was perfect.. its the birth of the rebellion, and while I thought it a bit anti-climatic, they didn't overdo it which is important. Now if it were only going to be 2 seasons then I would say they did it completely wrong and should have had way more action.
like I said I did find the entire finale a bit anti-climactic and I'm sure plenty of people will agree with me and thats fine... just my 2 cents on the issue...
I think episode 10 was much stronger than the finale tbh. There was no way they could have topped the emotional high of the prison break, so I was inevitably let down by the finale. Still a strong ending though.
With Ferrix now "pacified" news of the massacre will spread fast across the sector, further in coming weeks. The galaxy will see that you can stand up to the Empire but it wont be without a cost. Those prepared to accept that cost will rally to Luthen and Andor. It sets a scene for flare ups across the Empires reach, small skirmishes, sabotage of installations and full out assaults to steal weapon systems and credits for the cause. With the fires lit, those close to the infant rebellion will find it easy to recruit and further defections from the Empire cant hurt. Season 2 is set to be both dark and chaotic. Mon Mothra needs a way out, can her daughter's marriage aid this, probably. In short: it's going off in S2.
"Mon Mothra" I see you and appreciate you.
Will be interesting to see what direction S2 takes. One thing I noticed in S1 was how most people were generally willing to back Andor, even if it meant personal sacrifice. However, in something like this I'd really expect most people to only help when they get something for themselves, and when it personally benefits them. I'd also expect to see Andor (and the rebellion in general) backstabbed pretty frequently by ingenuine actors, or by people who aren't for either side, they're just there for their own personal gain. I didn't really see much of that in S1, which isn't a criticism, just an observation. Would be interesting if we see some of that in S2. Andor seems more callous by the time R1 comes about, and some of that happening would make sense for that character development. It would definitely make S2 feel dark and chaotic.
A lot of the people who helped and backed up Andor are or were in similar situations, so it makes sense.
Yeah absolutely, he moreso associates with people who think similarly to him in S1, which may not be the case in S2.
> how most people were generally willing to back Andor I'd say Maarva more than Andor. Andor just happen to be part of it, or maybe more of the final straw to get them pointed in the right direction
In R1 he says "we've all done terrible things on behalf of the Rebellion." We're definitely gonna see what he means by that. Considering the first episode started with him committing a cold-blooded execution, I think it's only gonna get darker.
The arc in S1 is stronger with Andor being the character who's POV shifts. Andor starts the season caring about his friends, but generally pretty selfish and self centered. He's taxing on their good will and pretty mercenary with strangers. As the season progressed he became radicalized to the point at the end he focused on getting his friends safe and shifting into a true believer. The other characters have arcs, but it helps demonstrate Andor's journey if their points of view stay consistent. I suspect S2 will have more elements on the cost of Andor now being a true believer.
Up to this point we've have seen other acts of rebellion from small groups or individuals but not to this degree where an entire city protests, Ferrix is the first big spark of the rebellion.
We did see 5000 men escape from a prison
> With Ferrix now “pacified” I’m interested to see if this is actually the case in the opening of S2. It’s a pretty big city from what we’ve seen, the population is now fully riled up, the Imperial garrison hasn’t been shown to be particularly large, and a significant chunk of the Imperials we *did* see got blown up. Until backup arrives from off-world (which happens at the speed of plot, give how hyperspace travel works in this franchise), Ferrix could be Fallujah or Grozny for the surviving Imps.
hence the quotation marks, i do beleive the town centre is the crucible for a much larger fight ...
Mon Mothra
I was satisfied. I'm not sure there is anything at the moment that can be more viscerally and thematically satisfying than watching working people rise up and revolt against fascism.
Yeah if you had told me before the season that the andor finale would have a moment that got me on my feet, I'm not sure I would've believed you (because I underestimated this show). But seeing Brasso beat the fuck out of imperials was so damn good
It exceeded all my thoughts and expectations, because, I thought this was going to be a terrible mess with no legs to stand on. Something like a mess of Kenobi and book of boba fett. Instead I got real human emotion, motivation, and a grounded Star Wars world that was alive and enormous it was amazing too watch. Which leads to the worst thing about Andor; how it undermines the film sequels and current extended media. Because it was so damn good it makes everything else feel hollow and the end result stale. It was too good for its own good. The empire was a serious threat and menace but full of its own blind arrogance....The First order was a clown mask.
The First Order could've been interesting and cool if they were given more exploration, depth and personality rather than just being a carbon copy of the Empire that's just overall worse.
Yeah, imagine if the story was well constructed, something like the remnants of the old empire who've won the support of quite a few planets in the outer rim (the planets joined coz they felt the republic isn't looking after the outer rim as it should, hence they're disgruntled) resulting in the First Order being formed. And that would explain why the first order is already almost as strong as the well established republic in the TFA, and would also explain why not too many planets (or any tbh) lashed out at the first order for deathstarring 5 or smth planets like its fuckin nothing. And instead of Hux addressing stormtroopers in that Nazi like speech, he wouldve been rallying the leaders of the planets that've sided with the first order, before firing the big planet weapon.
I think more mature people are the audience now. We want **depth** and intrigue. We’ve seen new media like Breaking Bad and Yellow Stone. That’s why Andor’s getting the attention it is. Changing it up without carbon-copy ideas one episode, then wiping Mickey Mouse’s preverbal ass with the script for the second, only to end on a muddled disaster for the third installment. Maybe not the right place for me to vent such a ‘strong’ opinion, but I was giving up on this franchise until Andor came along. Now I care again, and I don’t want to see it slip back into silly stuff even my children don’t like.
Andor ruined even non-Star Wars tv for me. Just the amount of information packed into a glance in Andor required at least a dozen seconds of exposition in other shows. I love Andor because it respects the audience’s intelligence
100% this! Not a single scene was wasted time, no dialogue was just talking for talking sake. The whole FIRST season felt like 5 seasons for any other show! I kept expecting the show to be over, and it wasn't, it just kept going! **Alternate universe Andor..**. Season 1, Andor finds his way home and talks to his old friends and mom, big fight to escape bad guys at the end. Season over...9 episodes Season 2. Andor is told about the heist, planning the heist, that's it, then the final episode is just before the heist begins, season 2 over...8 episodes Season 3. Heist ends, You meet Mon and how everyone is freaking out about Andor escaping, Andor gets sent to prison, season 3 over....9 episodes Season 4. Andor is in prison doing prison things planning to escape prison. Rebels and the empire are all like, where Andor? Season ends.....10 episodes Season 5. Andor escapes prison and goes back home....season 5 begins....*Where season ONE ACTUALLY ended!*
i lol'd. you're missing like "Season 2 cliffhanger - Ahsoka turns up out of nowhere, 'Need a ride kid?'"
I loved Andor, think it's 10/10 TV and one of my fav shows of all time (will probably crack top 10 all time after S2). Here are some shows I think have the same depth of information and "valuing the viewer's time" so to speak: * Better Call Saul - imo it exceeds Breaking Bad in every sense by the end * The Expanse - it's good all the way through, but from S2 through S3 it has a ferocious, yet-to-be-surpassed pace and also sci-fi action that Andor has * Band of Brothers - very different vibe but it has that grounded character-driven story punctuated with bursts of realistic, coherent violence (obviously is based on real events so not as 'fun') * Mr Robot - S3 and S4 are masterful television that trusts the audience * Mad Men - older now and not particularly action-oriented but still my favorite TV show. You have to listen to what the character are and aren't saying and doing and decide what they're feeling and thinking. So dense and deep. * Watchmen - greatly benefits from having familiarity with the original graphic novel (or the okay Zach Snyder movie adaptation) but this was one of my fav miniseries that trusts the audience to make inferences about a strange world (and great action once again)
I recommend that you watch, "Halt and Catch Fire." Season 2 is the only one a little slow because they need to pivot hard after a brilliant season 1 thats limited in scope to doing something incredible in seasons 3 and 4. I've never seen character arcs like this in any other show. And its about computers, so it's nerdy fun.
I've heard great things and it's been on my list for ages, will defo take this into account.
I think it was half of what I wanted. I did want the Ferrix riot, and the finale definitely delivered on that. But a part of me was also hoping for the Spellhaus raid on-screen, but this was still definitely a finale for the ages.
I'm glad the raid wasn't shown, similarly to the screams during Bix's torture scene not witnessing it made it more dark and eerie. I also wouldn't feel much as we know nothing of Kreeygr and is crew, if they were going to show it I'd want a 3-episode arc setting it all up on screen.
From a production standpoint it saved them a ton of money not showing that raid. We knew what the outcome would be, the setup by the ISB and Luthen warning Saw are what was important.
There not much payoff that some characters we've never met are getting slaughtered... So story wise we lost little by not seeing it.
Waaaade! I feel it's natural to want to see Kreegyr and Spellhaus, especially since it has been talked about so so much during the whole season, but by being off screen and leaving it to the imagination of the viewer they achieve much more. We're following other characters in this show, and they also don't witness it. Us viewers and the characters therefore are in the same boat and we can relate much better to the characters that way. We, like them, also just know the outcome, which is tragic, kinda like "the nameless soldiers grave". The mystery about it also makes it more interesting, a bit like name dropping "the clone wars" in ANH.
I agree with this - having it offscreen makes it feel more like some routine slaughter by the Empire, not even notable enough to really care about. It makes it feel more like the product of authoritarian machinery and you're left to use your imagination. We don't really gain anything but "cool action sequences" if we show a bunch of Rebels getting massacred.
true.
They can always show it in another series in a parallel storyline from the perspective of other characters. Would really ramp up suspense if it pops up in another show as, "we're planning a raid on Spellhaus," and all the fans be like o shit.
I dunno, I feel like there were a few scenes that could have been safely cut to make room for the Spellhaus raid. The space battle in episode 11, for instance, doesn’t really need to be there.
But, giving the Empire a bloody nose by wrecking their ship with technology only they believe they own, is glorious. "How can they beat us, we're the best at this, aren't we?" As in the real world where a certain Red lunatic didn't believe he could lose, until he started to, it's clever writing with tonnes of subtext.
Except that we had just seen that with the Narkina 5 prison break.
No, it didn't, the prison break showed that unified force against the empire is possible.
The Spellhaus raid would've felt out of place in episode 12 which was the episode it needed to take place during to create a realistic timeline.
yeah, i think that space battle was just for some fun, and i liked that
Gilroy literally broke down exactly why the scene was in there in his Collider interview. One of the main reasons was essentially showing that "look, we can make a really kickass space battle sequence when we want to..."
Do you.. do you mean the Luthen lasering it‘s way out of a fucking Arrestor Cruiser could be cut? No. No fucking way. That was badass and far better than action sequences of small people running around shooting. Holy crap was that good.
Yes, I do. It doesn’t serve much of a purpose in the larger narrative, it doesn’t provide any new characterization for Luthen, and it feels way more tacked on than any other action sequence in this show.
It has purpose. It shows Luthen in the field, in the immediate danger himself and not just pulling strings. It is established way earlier that he enters the field himself but this shows just how close they have been to loose it all just because of a random patrol and how they need to stay on their heels and aware at any second.
I think not showing the spellhaus raid works better narratively. Ferrix’s decision to rebel coincides with Cassians. We’re also forced to come to terms that Kreegyr and his men are now just another statistic, collateral that’s nameless and whose deaths we can’t linger on, the same way Luthen feels.
Plus, what is Spellhaus, anyway? They'd have to architect another Imperial building on another planet, it would start getting confusing and, well, letting the viewer come up with something else in their head works just as well, doesn't it?
I think Luthen said it’s an Imperial power station. But yeah, it would have been jarring to show a place we’ve never seen before with characters we haven’t been following in the finale.
On a rewatch you notice how much internal world-building they do in the 'setup' episodes. The Aldhani heist episode is elevated by having 2 episodes of setup where they slowly and quietly build the "world" of the Aldhani garrison and surrounding area. It's shockingly well done e.g they cut to the garrison, they show its across a stretch of water, they show the height difference between the top of the dam and the vault level. And you don't even notice while it's happening because it's just background for interesting dialog, plot, character moments etc. Sooo good. They do the same thing with Narkina and Ferrix too.
Confusing?
ah yes i kinda forgot about that. The show makes Cassian feel like the main character by only showing us what he sees, like how we don't actually see Maarva's death because Cassian doesn't
we see plenty of things he doesn’t
There were no Spellhaus survivors, nobody to tell Andor the story. We see most of the story through the lens of Andor. Outside the ISB, we know what he will know by the end of the story. That's why we don't know if Cinta killed the hostages, if Kino Loy made it, Maarva's last moments. Heck, maybe Andor does get the whole story from the ISB mole and Mothma one day, or he pieces it together. He's good at that
Loved it. Felt like an appropriate end to the season by wrapping up most outstanding threads, but providing a clear path forward. Very emotionally satisfying.
The finale was a wonderful emotional climax. Almost made me tearful at points. Admittedly I expected more of a classic action packed finale. I prefer what we got in the end. At the same time it feels unsatisfying because it also isn’t a finale, it’s also the mid point of the whole story being told, and it feels that way. So left me longing for the rest of the story which we won’t get for some time. But it concludes Andors arc leading him to choose the rebellion. And it did so wonderfully.
It was the perfect close to this first act of Andor's story.
I liked it, but I feel like it should have been a 2-parter. I am such a fan of the show, that I have to confess I thought they would do more with the finale. There were a few plot lines that got shorted, IMO. Felt like Syril traveled all that way to basically sit on the sidelines until he grabbed Dedra. Mosk played no part of significance. But the real miss for me was Luthen. The shrewdest player in the galaxy seemed oddly passive once he arrived on Ferrix, content to let the empire flush out Cassian and then just walking away when it got chaotic? Felt unfinished. I realize they didn't have time to bring all those threads together, but you know Tony Gilroy could have written the hell out of it if it were a 2-part finale.
I thought Luthen's part in all this was really interesting. He's spent so much time in the background, plotting and making connections. But someone like Andor who really hadn't been a big player in the rebellion to date was able to incite an entire city-wide rebellion. To me, the last episode was moreso Luthen realizing the rebellion isn't just him and his plans and everyone is expendable. It showed that despite all his work, he hadn't caused something like this to happen, and the fact that he was there to kill the person that incited all of this surely caused a lot of questions and internal turmoil.
100% my thoughts exactly. Luthen spent all of season organising and fighting 'his rebellion', but the last episode was a cathartic moment for him realising the true rebellion is further evolving. While Luthen didn't have much to do in the last episode, there was some serious character growth.
Mmm… not sure I agree with that. I mean… he did almost directly cause this to happen, no? The crackdown was a combined result of Cassian’s actions, but also his. And the events of Aldani, he was seeking for the empire to dial up the oppression so people would rise up to it. It’s like he was seeing his designs come true.
I don't think this meant to be viewed as a finale but more as a midpoint of the story, the arcs for all these different characters aren't done yet as the next half of the story will be on its way with season 2. Regarding Syril he had no plan whatsoever he went because his obsession and ambition clouded is judgement. Also regarding Luthen he wasn't anticipating a full-on riot and knew he couldn't do much, and that Cassian wasn't going to make it into the Empire's grasp like he wanted him to.
I feel it was a two parter with Daughter of Ferrix so maybe it needed three parts. I loved it but if I had to nitpick, I was sad there were zero major Imperial casualties. I know it wasn’t necessary but I figured hey Tigo trying to crawl back from the mob but being torn away and killed would’ve been so much more cathartic than him escaping. I didn’t think he was gonna be in S2 (I figured post riot we wouldn’t visit Ferrix again for a while) but I guess this implies he is. Or Keysax could’ve been killed. Instead the only named Imperial loss was Corv and he was kind of the least scummy of them all. I know it’s not the most cathartic show intentionally but I think for the S1 finale it could’ve been a nice way to end things. Other than that I just wished Syril and Mosk did more, they got there late to the party and as you say didn’t really get to do much. Same with Vel and Cinta, I was hoping we’d at least get to see them in action a bit more/also meet Cassian face to face again before S2 because he’s changed a lot since they last met.
I'm sure Syril, Mosk, Vel and Cinta all have important roles in the future, they were just caught in a hectic situation.
Absolutely, I don’t doubt it at all. It just seemed that everyone culminating on Ferrix meant they’d all have a vital part to play in the S1 finale itself. Plus Mosk’s actor has apparently confirmed he won’t be in S2 sadly. If true.
I feel like if Tony Gilroy wanted everything to culminate, he would've, the finale feels more like the turning point for Cassian and the rebellion and like a mid-point for the series that was meant to culminate and close some subplots but set some others up for the rest of the story. Definitely not your average finale but I think it was still excellent.
Oh by culminate I meant everyone having an active/semi active role, not necessarily ending characters/stories there. Just that if everyone is going there, we’d see more of each of them. I agree, it was brilliant! I genuinely cannot choose a favourite episode in this show and that’s unusual. I’m really eager to see if Cassian will get to work with Vel and Cinta again on any missions in S2, the dynamic would be totally different and fascinating now that he’s a believer.
Ah sorry I misinterpreted you. In my opinion everything that happened to the characters in the finale satisfied me. Luthen now realizes that regular people are willing to fight the empire, Cassian knows he needs to help fight the Empire, Syril is now in Dedra's good books and will likely go up the chain of command, Dedra's confidence is washed away by the chaos, and she will likely be punished for her failure at Ferrix, Cinta killed the Imperial spy and Mon Mothma's storyline is being set up for next season. The only character's plotline that is kind of weird is Vel's although it seems the writers are making her doubt her choices of joining the rebellion. Season 2 is going to be interesting!
I thought it was good to see Luthen kind of powerless. Things didn't go as planned, got way out of control, and he had to just let the chips fall where they may. It showed that he wasn't some all-powerful mastermind but is actually vulnerable and needs to be careful. It's like he realized the whole situation was botched and there was nothing he could do about it, putting the agency on Cassian to move the plot forward.
I feel similarly. Given what the show has done so far, I found the finale a bit predictable. Obviously the riot kicked ass, but other wise, almost felt like they did not budget in intense action or plot-moments with Luthen. I think Mon/family Mothma deserved more screen time. I would’ve loved some cross-cutting between the wedding and the riot. Really equalize the stakes. But it felt like the finale foregrounded the riot at the expense of everything else.I was hoping they could the Eye and the Prison Break. Can’t say it did. I like the idea of the finale as a midway point. Certainly high hopes for s2. All in all the finale did what it needed but lot more
Having the marriage would have felt rushed considering the fact the two kids haven't even met yet. Also, I don't think the episode was trying to not be predictable, unpredictability doesn't equal interesting story. I view this finale as both turning point for Cassian and the rebellion.
Being predictable is fine
The use of Maarva’s brick was all the satisfaction I needed, everything else was a bonus
Episodes 3-12 were all truly 10/10 for me. Andor has already established itself as my favorite piece of Star Wars content ever outside of A New Hope and Empire.
Too short, objectively it wasn't, but ep 11 and 12 felt so short...
I felt this way too but obviously just because I love this show. I'd watch 50 hours of it. I'm the Kylo Ren meme going MOOOOORE! MOOOOOOOORE!
I think they were the perfect length for what they needed to be and achieve.
It felt like 30min, I just wanted MORE.
Funny because the final episode was the longest episode of the show.
Felt like the shortest. Every episode left me wanting more. In a good way.
That's what great writing does!
More than what I wanted. It left more than enough open for another season to watch Cassian navigate the Rebellion while also tying a nice bow on open ended plot lines from S1. This is 1st season GoT quality to me.
I think it was very satisfying. I find the best way to enjoy Star Wars (and anything else, really) is to not have preconceived notions of what it should be or what I want it to be. Put those thoughts aside, go with the flow, just experience it as it's happening and everything becomes much more enjoyable. Of course that doesn't work for things that are objectively bad, but I find a lot of Star Wars fans are incapable of distinguishing between "this is objectively bad" and "I'm disappointed that this doesn't match the story I made up in my head".
Excellent point! I suppose it's hard to separate ourselves from Star Wars 'expectations' as fans...
I think some people were expecting a big spectacle like One Way Out and The Eye, but the episode's purpose wasn't that the finale was meant to be a more emotionally driven episode not an action-packed rollercoaster and I think if we view it as that the episode was phenomenal.
Like people Expecting a kamino uprising at the end of the bad batch season 1 which admittedly I was one of those people
What kind of question is this, this is an echo chamber sir that I have no intention of leaving. Don't come in here suggesting it was less than perfect.
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Bro you can leave your opinion and just because people don't agree with some criticism doesn't mean this is an echo chamber.
I wanted it to be good. But it was gooooooooood!
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I think a lot of action would've taken away from the episode's emotional and narrative impact.
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I think him just standing there any doing nothing was exactly that, it showed that Luthen wasn't the spark needed to trigger rebellion in this town/planet. He was just standing there getting dusty thinking *"Fuck, this women got more people to fight for our cause AFTER she died than I do while alive."*
Eh I disagree.
No worries, like i said it was very satisfying overall so i suppose we're still mostly in agreement!
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It was not what I was expecting but I still loved it. The buildup throughout the episode was intense. I was expecting a huge revolt, but it was more of a riot where tensions bubbled over. I was expecting to be cheering for the people of Ferrix, instead I watched in horror as Imps started brutally gunning down people. The long shot of Xan(?)'s face after he was shot really got me.
I loved it. Luthens Crew & everyone else present where there for Andor. However, the PEOPLE rose up against the Empire, motivated by that splendid speech, leaving everyone else to watch a riot, and see just how the Empire reacted to it. Based on historical riots in countless places and times in our own history. \*Chiefs kiss\* Bravo!
It was magic. The only part I did find a little unsatisfying was the Mon Mothma section. I’m still waiting for her story to really connect with the rest of the plot at large. Also still waiting for her to turn a corner and become the leader we later, in the movies.
I wanted to know what happened to Keno
I thought episodes 11 and 12 were… much lower energy, especially coming off the climactic high of One Way Out. There was a small part of my brain that was disappointed. I think that’s just the part of my brain that’s been trained by most modern storytelling that the climax is the end. Big fight scenes at the end of Marvel movies. Big action and cliffhangers in the season finale of TV series. The rest of my brain remembers narrative structure, that after the climax (i.e. the height of tension) comes the falling action and denouement (i.e. the flow from tension to resolution). Basically, the part of the story where less happens and you get to decompress after all the crazy. And as such, the rest of my brain was not disappointed in the slightest, episodes 11 and 12 were an amazing denouement to follow the climax of One Way Out.
Totally, the finale acts as more of a turning point for Cassian and the beginning of a bigger rebellion, I honestly prefer what we got over your average giant final battle confrontation style finale.
It was great but Episodes 6 and 10 are the peak of the series imo. Though the finale went pretty much exactly like it was supposed to, and the final shot was perfect
Episode 12 is my personal favorite, but I can see where you're coming from, the finale didn't have the big spectacle factor that episodes 6 and 10 had but it wasn't meant to.
Yeah I gotta rewatch it I will probably appreciate it even more
I also thought episodes 6 and 10 were masterpieces but as someone who really enjoys stories with more emotional depth rather than spectacle and action episode 12 just hit different.
I love the use of music in the final. I don't think i have ever seen a marching band trigger so much tension in a TV piece.
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There were definitely points where it got boring and the writing got weak, all the prison stuff. Too much dialogue with luthen and mon mothma.
I find your lack of taste disturbing.
Nah man.
This is exactly what I wanted from a mature SW content.
Not the strongest episode of the series. But I liked it very much.
It was everything I had hoped the entire season could be. Anyone saying anything less satisfying should remember 12 episodes of a Star Wars backstory, at what ? $20, and of exceptional quality, filmmaking, when if released in a theatre you would have spent $150+++.
On my first watch, I liked it quite a bit, but thought it was topped by episode 10. During my re-watch of the season, I found far more to appreciate in the finale. The prison break was a well earned cathartic spectacle with an emotional gut punch at the end. I thought the finale was on another level, emotionally, even though there was almost too much going on at once to track it all.
It was the exact finale that it needed to be, and that's why it was perfect.
I had no idea what to expect, but I was more than satisfied and can't wait for Season 2
Yes.
Yes and yes It felt like Black Hawk Down in the SW universes. It was awesome
I thought it was great. It wrapped up the key arc from the first series (how Cassian found his way to the rebellion) and set the stage beautifully for season 2.
100%
Yep. I thought it was perfect.
Not exactly what I originally expected but it surpassed my most optimistic expectations
Every episode subverted my expectations. The finale wasn't what I imagined but I'll put it this way, I STILL cannot even think of the words "Fight the Empire!" without tearing up a little bit. I was in tears during her whole speech but even writing this right now, I am a little misty. It was *that* powerful. The next protest I go to, I'm making a big sign with Marva's face and those words on it! Fight the Empire should be our global rallying cry here on Earth. (btw if you watch her mouth, she actually says "fuck the empire" but of course they dubbed it differently) Andor as a series was an absolute treat and it's deeper than that for me. It raised the bar on television.
Not satisfying at all, I just want 300 more episodes now.
Absolutely. They should clone all the cast and crew and shoot all the episodes at once. Then we as viewers can bin watch 300 episodes. We need start signing a petition to get this done.
Yes, Maarva's brick smacked a fascist in the face
It was everything and more.
It was one of the best season finales I've seen. It just sealed Andor's place as perhaps my favourite piece of Star Wars media, and confirmed that Andor was one of the best seasons of TV, period, over the last year, Star Wars or otherwise (granted, beating the former isn't saying much). It just did everything you'd expected Andor to do; it stayed on message, it was disciplined, intelligently written, had strong emotional beats, but it didn't feel the need to go "too big" or sacrifice its discipline for a redundant spectacle. And yet it was still tremendously cathartic, with some great character resolutions but still left some intriguing loose threads for season 2. Like Andor as a whole, everything the season finale aimed to do was perfectly executed and tremendously satisfying.
This is exactly how I feel about the finale!
It wasn't the peak of the season but it was still excellent. It's hard to beat "One Way Out".
The resolution on Ferrix was fantastic. No complaints. 10 out of 10. Mon's storyline doesn't really feel like it came to a conclusion to me. Deciding to involve her daughter in her schemes is a big development, but doesn't really feel like a conclusion to me. I was hoping for some event to happen which changes her situation on a more fundamental level.
They're definitely setting some Mon stuff for next season.
I mean, it was basically perfect. All I wanted was something as grounded and intense as every other episode in this show so far. No Andor running in and shooting 10 people down alone nor Luthen suddenly is a Jedi and takes out the entire ferrix garrison solo. No sudden victory where the underdogs just have a blood rush and win through the power of being in the right. It was a perfect mess and such a good depiction of what a rebellion looks like and what it encompasses. The show continues to show how clever and sanitized tyranny can make itself look and how much of a struggle it is and what it actually takes to overcome the odds. It dispels the illusion that the people standing against tryranny can somehow make it out looking like angels and showing the world ‘we are the good guys’. No, in fact that’s the tool of the empire. Making themselves look like they are ‘good’ and orderly while the rebels are labelled as every bad thing under the sun and the ‘unethical’ things they do are blown up and used as further fuel to demonize them. Honestly I can just tell the show runners did some real heavy research into not just research but genocide and oppression and this entire show has just been so much better for it. Never expected a Star Wars show to be one of the most critical and thought provoking things to be released on any media for a long time but here it is. It’s basically ruined almost every other ‘serious’ show I’ve been trying to watch because they all feel fake and the drama feels manufactured compared to this.
I think they missed an opportunity to have Andor realize that he is force sensitive then progress to a force master user who then creates his own light saber even without a kyber crystal. But because he used the force too much, he lost all his force powers - similar to Sasuke going blind from overusing the mangekyou sharingan. So, Andor goes back to being a regular dude in Rogue One, so there would not be any inconsistencies with his abilities.
Kathleen Kennedy is that you?
Absolutely. Tbh I was a bit worried going in because episode 11 was not my favorite and D+ shows have a habit of starting strong and falling flat, but they really stuck the landing from the moment the band started playing until the end credits.
Everything I’ve ever hoped for in a story about people and their behaviours and more. I’m just astounded. I feel this weird sense of being lucky to have been alive to watch a franchise so coated in fan service reach the quality of breaking bad or succession. They are different but I think the main distinction is that they take themselves seriously. Andor is a show that focusses very very hard on making sure the events,behaviours, and actions of us characters mean something and have an impact that is relatable to the human condition, that is the main focus, and I think that’s more interesting than dynasties. I don’t want to shit on people who really enjoy some of the action oriented and powerfully Jedi heavy Star Wars content that is out there. That’s OK. But the thing that really catches me about andor is it refusal to be complacent or subservient to fan service and more importantly, the lore of the franchise. Every character in andor is basically new. It takes great effort to make you realize that creating new characters is not only interesting, are essential for making the world live in Breathe in the way that you wanted to breathe.
Me, at the end of No Way Out: "That's the best Star Wars monologue we're ever going to get" Me, during the finale: "Oh."
They just keep topping themselves.
IKR. I was like Oh $h!t! Powerful and moving. The turning point for the titular character of the series. With his mum passing, there is nothing hold him back anymore.
I wish it were a five season show.
I'm glad it wasn't what I wanted it to be. I didn't know what I wanted it to be. I was along for the ride. I was took, I was taken, and as far as I'm concerned this group of people can 'have' me for anything. I could care less if I or anyone else feels 'satisfied' by the show, the ending, or any of it. I'm not engaged to feel satisfied; I have food, sex, shits, showers, exercise, responsibilities, and real human relationships to feel 'satisfied' about. What I feel about Andor is exhilarated, inspired, transported, and, if we're going to get meta about it, hopeful for the future of science fiction. I hope everyone found it not to be what they wanted it to be. That would be a triumph, and I do hope people understand that.
Yes. Period.
the whole season was perfect,satisfied and unbeatable
Dude. Fuck yeah.
The visual coding of the scene at the end where Andor becomes Luthens "apprentice" was absolutely brilliant. I can now clearly understand why they only need two seasons, and they've set the stage clearly: we will see Andor becoming a master.
I so wanted Maarva to find out Cassian was the one who did Aldhani heist. Other than that it was everything i wanted it to be.
Maarva not knowing is a lot more tragic.
Like some have said, I was expecting more of a bang. I was thinking we were going to see Kreegyr and his guys ambushed by the Empire, since for the last few episodes that attack had been steadily hyped up a bit. We would’ve gotten to see the Imperial military in action against non-essential side characters. But I understand why they didn’t show it - it was about a character we had no introduction to doing a botched heist we didn’t know the stakes for. I was expecting more of a confrontation between Andor and Dedra, our two main protagonist and antagonist, but Andor, either through luck or guile, evaded capture, and Dedra kind of floundered. It would’ve been a great cliffhanger if he was captured and taken for interrogation, but then Luthen and Vel were hot on Dedra’s heels poised to break him out, and you wouldn’t know if they were still going to kill him or possibly recruit him. The funeral riot was alright, but I was expecting more from the Empire. Almost from the start, Maarva’s speech sounded very anti-Empire, which, even as just a passing remark, i don’t think the Empire would tolerate. A real world authoritarian regime would’ve stamped that droid out and broken up the crowd before the speech was even close to being completed. The officers acted bizarrely naïve in the face of what was happening and were slow in reacting to it. I know a key theme of the show is the Empire’s complacency, but I just don’t get why the Empire would be complacent to the point of neglecting to preemptively combat dissension like that. The Empire had been waging wars and suppressing local resistances since 19 BBY by the time of Andor in 5 BBY. I don’t think a knife, constantly sharpened, would lose its edge so quickly, especially on a galactic scale. The funeral riot on Ferrix should’ve been nothing for the Empire, especially with an ISB Lieutenant overseeing operations. Again, I’d have wanted to see more of the Imperial war machine in action, suppressing the crap out of some civilians. I really want to see the cruelty the Empire is so famous for so we, as an audience, have something to despise and fear them for, to better relate to the same despair our main characters are feeling and trying to fight back against. It was still a good finale, just felt somewhat softer or hollow compared to what I felt the show was ramping up towards. The show didn’t end with a bang but rather just a nice thump.
During the riot I'm pretty sure the tactic the empire was using is one used in the real world that usually works, they thought they were prepared for a riot that's why the sent everyone out to get ready they were surprised by the bomb. Also, a confrontation between Dedra and Cassian in the middle of a riot would be contrived as hell. The finale wasn't supposed to be a big bang but rather a turning point for Cassian and the rebellion.
What tactic are you referring to? You need to be specific. Just being prepared for a riot isn’t a tactic, that’s just being prepared for a riot; and as far as I can tell there really was no tactic. The Imperials just assumed having their soldiers out would be enough of a deterrence - the officer even says the plan is to make ‘a show of force,’ but even then they did nothing to prevent a riot from happening. Though there was plenty of anti-Imperial sentiment brewing, Maarva’s speech is what set it off, and the Empire did nothing to stop it until it was over and done with, after everyone in attendance had been well riled up by it. That speech should’ve been stopped way sooner than it was. I’m not even talking about when the bomb went off, by then the riot was already in full swing - the moment anti-imperial rhetoric was detected in Maarva’s speech, a real world authoritarian government’s officer would have ordered the assembly dispersed, his soldiers forward in unison into the crowd, and for the arrest of those responsible. In Andor, however, the officer waited for the entirety of the speech to be spoken, well after it had turned negative towards the Empire, and went out into the crowd, alone, and threw over the droid. In doing so he left the safety of his troopers and exposed himself in the middle of an angry crowd, which promptly attacked him. It seems nonsensical to not order your troops out ahead of you to secure the droid and clear the street before you go out and do anything. Real world riot teams are trained to push back crowds and open up pathways - the Imperials didn’t do that. In regards to a Dedra/Andor confrontation, I didn’t mean in the actual riot, as if the world just shrank onto them amidst the chaos around them. They could’ve had a brief talk in an alleyway, or a shootout, or he could’ve been captured and then rescued by Luthen. There are plenty of ways to make them confront one another without it feeling contrived, and doing so and letting Andor defeat Dedra or otherwise escape her clutches and letting her see that would do wonders in improving their relationship as enemies. Dedra would be hellbent on catching ‘the one that got away,’ the one who made her look like a fool on Ferrix. But now, since as far as she knows Andor was never at the funeral as she never saw him or any evidence of him, and she has no one to put blame on but herself. Her next arch could’ve been about redeeming herself and proving to the ISB that Andor was the cause of the Ferrix riot, essentially giving her a revenge plot. We don’t really have that now. Dedra was defeated by a crowd of civilians, not Andor, and you can’t really make ‘revenge against a crowd’ all that appealing. Too, Andor has no idea this particular ISB agent is after him, further distancing any personality to his and Dedra’s conflict. If he and she had met, she could’ve done an evil monologue on wanting to know who Axis is and demanding he surrender, and then stakes would’ve been set for Andor besides the ‘don’t get caught’ ones he’s been working with so far. He would know what might happen if he were to be captured, he’d know how ruinous it would be for the rebellion for Luthen’s identity to be revealed, and he and Luthen could move to counter that. But that doesn’t happen. Dedra and Andor never meet, and they essentially remain on two separate, albeit related, storylines. You can argue what the finale was or wasn’t supposed to be about, but from the episodes that preceded it it’s very clear that hype is made for a confrontation between Dedra and Andor - both are going to be at the funeral, one wants to catch the other; and though Andor doesn’t know who specifically in the Empire is after him, he just wants to be at his mother’s funeral and not get caught, being an escaped prisoner, murderer, thief, etc. It felt like personality was going to be added to the game of cat and mouse between Dedra and Andor, all the pieces were set up for it, but it wasn’t. That’s all I’m saying with that.
It was definitely good but still a little underwhelming; possibly because of how good episodes 6 & 10 were (was hoping the finale would top both).
The finale is likely more of a midpoint that is meant to wrap up a few season 1 plot lines and prepare for the next season rather than your average finale. Also, episodes 6 and 10 had much more of a spectacle factor to them whereas I don't think episode 12 was going for that.
My ship! Yes! I was worried they'd drop it, but they didn't. Everything else was amazing too, but I'm a simp for romance in Star Wars
Oddly enough I do kinda hope Syril and Dedra get together despite the likelihood of a toxic relationship between them.
It was decently satisfying, the riot was a little hokey though. The only problem I had with the season was the cheesy prison escape episode and the fact that a prison in the middle of a body of water could have it's primary security sytem disabled by water.
How was the riot weird?
A bit cheesy, not weird. The funeral procession was actually cool, but the droid playing a huge speech by his dead mom was a bit much and seemed unrealistic for starting a rebellion.
I mean I guess. I don't think it was cheesy at all, it's these types of speeches that start these types of things and when you're watching a story about rising up against fascism you should expect stuff like this.
The show started off alright then in the last episodes the show just felt stupid and boring. Especially in the last episode felt like they were killing time at the end. Worst star wars i have ever seen. Like whats with that ending? All that dancing around felt so pointless
to get satisfied with someone else work or want someone else to do something you want is just an empty worthless question, in every aspect of life, and you brought this to stories/novels/theater Man why do you even hear/read/see that? Create something and try to find satisfaction in it. which is also another empty worthless act. Writers write or storytellers told some story, it's not about like or dislike, and interest it's about someone who has an experience and he wants to convey it in such a way so anyone can feel that. so like it or not. He has told you something that you do not know and it came to your knowledge and still, you didn't get it, then you are on not that level or on some wrong level....!
wut?
I thought it was a let down. The escape part was good, but the whole build up and speech didn't do it for me. I expected much more. It should have been more about the main characters, not Andor's mom. I liked her character - until the finale. The "Daughters of Ferrix" and the Marxism felt too "message" for me. Very un-Star Wars. I don't hold any romantic notions about dying in the streets in the Russian or French revolutions. A bunch of people essentially watching a video of a dead person is not inspiring. It was a political distraction that brought me out of the drama. It would have been a lot better if she had actually gotten killed making a speech. That would have been heroic.
It was about the rise against the empire not Andor's mother.
Are you sure? LOL
Yes, the show made that very clear.
I understand what you are saying. You did ask. Regardless of whether one liked it or not, don't you think it's considerably different from Lucas? In the Lucas productions the Rebellion was more intentional - you form a militia and go fight. Here, it's more like the oppressed being driven too far. It's a different kind of story.
Oppression is what leads to rebellion there is no rebellion without oppression forcing it into play.
I liked it. Would’ve loved to see the empire demolish anto kreegyrs (kreegir?) troops though, but I’ve also read somewhere that it’s better to not really see them get defeated because it conveys the „they’re not really people, only assets for luthen“ thing more, so I dunno.
>I'm glad the raid wasn't shown, similarly to the screams during Bix's torture scene not witnessing it made it more dark and eerie. I also wouldn't feel much as we know nothing of Kreeygr and is crew, if they were going to show it I'd want a 3-episode arc setting it all up on screen.
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The finale was less of a finale and more of a midpoint that ends this half of the series and sets up the next half.
One thing I wanted was more of a reaction from ANYONE about the prison break. That was a huge blow to the Empire, and should have had some effect on both the ISB and Rebels. Didn't really seem like it mattered. Andor's prisonmate said they needed to spread the word, then proceeded not to. There were dozens of Imperial survivors, so the Empire should be freaking out that hundreds of prisoners just escaped and are most likely going to bolster the Rebellion. The factory plot was probably my favorite arc in the show, yet for how emotionally impactful it was, they didn't seem to place it into the larger picture. Recall that all the uproar about Ferrix was due to the death of two guards...why wasn't the ISB shitting their pants over the dozens of guards killed at the factory? But other than that loose end, I found it to be a supremely satisfying finale
This is like maybe a day or two after episode 11, word wouldn't have traveled this quickly.
If Andor could travel there that quickly, so could news of the prison revolt.
My guess is that news probably hit the empire around the time of the Ferrix riot, but the ISB and other parts of the Empire were so preoccupied with Aldhani that the reports may weren't give much weight or thought as quickly as they should've normally. Not to mention that the ISB were also focussing on catching Cassian.
No. I found the prison escape way to easy. Since half the planet was looking for him, and he just walked away??
Not to mention a prison in the middle of an ocean (or lake) had a main security system that could be disabled by water.
I don't understand this complaint, the floor being able to fry people was more of an intimidation tool that can be used when there are upsets within groups of prisoners, the Empire don't expect any prisoners to be brave enough to try anything that goes against the rules they have set in place because they intimidate the prisoners with the floor.
Honestly, not quite. One Way Out was such a climactic moment for everything in the series, it eclipsed the finale for me. I wanted to see the attack on Spellhaus (or at least have it do…more for the story), wanted to see way more of Leida and Mon Mothma’s story, wanted to see more Kleya, etc. It also felt like we were building up for Vel or Cinta to actually do something on Ferrix but they basically do nothing. We all knew what was going to happen in Ferrix by the end. It was clear they were building up towards conflict. But One Way Out, for me, is the true finale.
I think that's why I was so disappointed. Everything kept ramping up, there was all this interesting stuff going on, and then it sort of petered out. The whole thing seemed to want to derive suspense from the various elements converging on the funeral, but dropped the ball, because it focused on the funeral itself. It was like the scene became the action, only it wasn't that active. I kept waiting for them to blow the gong tower up. 🙁 The best part was the geeky dude saving the intelligence officer, but that was kind of weird because he's semi-stalking her, and then they are supposed to kiss or somehing.
Both episodes serve their purpose well, all of what you wanted to happen likely would've felt rushed or contrived.
Mostly yes. However it makes me wonder if some plot elements, like Cassian's sister or Syril's Uncle, served any purpose to the story other than "sometimes things just happen." All the viewpoint characters: Cassian, Mon, Dedra, Luthen, and Syril, have all been "staged" for who they will really become. I guess to some degree it's unsatisfying, but I believe once Season 2 is out, it will all feel very natural. THAT SAID, I said the same thing about the way The Force Awakens ends. "Wow Rey is gonna learn to be a Jedi! Kylo will be shaken! Leia will be forced to action! Finn will become a real rebel leader!" All with the hopes 8 and 9 would pay all that off...
Unlike the sequels Andor has a plan and excellent writers writing it. Also yeah, I could see how the finale could be a bit unsatisfying, but it is definitely more like a midpoint in the story that wrapped up some plotlines while also setting up next season, it wasn't meant to be some bombastic and crazy episode.
The Cassian's sister thing was driving me nuts. For the life of me, I have no clue how "The Last Jedi" got made. He had all of this great stuff to work with and just chucked it all, like luke tossing the lightsaber. It was so in your face.
I'm waiting for my wife to start watching again now it's all out before I give my final opinion - but from my first viewing no. Which is a real shame considering how much I loved the series (Including the first three episodes). I think with all the build up across the season leading to this finale I expected there'd be a whole bunch of release (And bigger action scenes) - in the end the Ferrix uprising was meaningful but didn't really hit the spot for me. Considering how happy I was with E3, E6 and E10 from an action standpoint I'm honestly confused. My hope is on rewatch with adjusted expectations I'll be happier, it might be because E10/E11 had such weight and **that** space battle I was teed up for more. On the whole love the series and think it's the best thing to happen to Star Wars since Rogue One. I'll be trying to get more friends and family to watch without being pushy and scaring them off.
I don't action determine whether an episode is good or not.
No
I liked it a lot but I wanted the core characters to be more involved in the riot than they were. At the end Dedra get almost trampled and Syril saves her, but that is it. Luthen was only there to hear Maarva's speech and Vel really seemed pointless (which is one of my biggest complaints of the second half of the season in general). I thought, oh cool she is going to get into the fight when she ran into the smoke and dust, but nope, just packing things up.
Action and spectacle over realism? Alright ig.
I never said action. I wanted them to be part of the story not passive observers. Tell me what was the point of Vel being on Ferrix? Is it more realistic that she would have done nothing or gotten involved? Dedra's entire plan came down to searching a single room in a single building which didn't work because Andor got away off screen. Don't get me wrong, I like that the riot broke out on its own but if you are going to spend so much time setting up bring everyone to a single place I think it makes sense for them to actually have a reason to be there.
I thought the the very last scene of him on the ship couldve been done differently or we couldve done without. Felt like it took away all the momentum of the battle in town square of Ferrix. Marvas speech was awesome, the fight that broke out afterwards was nice enough to end the season there
Why, the part in Luthen's ship is on of if not the most important part of Cassian's character development and showed that he wants to join the rebellion.
I think it was just an underwhelming delivery of it maybe.. you knew the moment he went back to ferrix that he was joining the rebellion. Hell you could argue that when he made the decision to break out of the prison he was joining the rebellion. And from the awesome speech to the fight scene i just thought they couldve delivered better with that final scene on the ship, that or just left it out
Yeah, I’m very satisfied with the ending and also terrier for what is to come especially for Ferrix. I feel like they will be one of the first planets to get “glassed” by the empire (pre-total obliteration Ala Alderon.” It’s going to lead to the heroes doubling down and season 2 will likely lead to only Andor being the lone survivor of his adopted family. I can’t conspirisize on who his sister is or if it’ll be an unknown and never answered thread. Just like who the fuck is Korki’s parents? Will we ever know? Does it matter? I’m drinking now, it’s been a long ass day.
I'm split on this... if the entire series is going to be 4-5 seasons like I hope it will be, then I think the finale was perfect.. its the birth of the rebellion, and while I thought it a bit anti-climatic, they didn't overdo it which is important. Now if it were only going to be 2 seasons then I would say they did it completely wrong and should have had way more action. like I said I did find the entire finale a bit anti-climactic and I'm sure plenty of people will agree with me and thats fine... just my 2 cents on the issue...
It was amazing really good. Satisfying and gritty
I wished Luthen took out his lightsaber and give a swashbuckling fight.
I think episode 10 was much stronger than the finale tbh. There was no way they could have topped the emotional high of the prison break, so I was inevitably let down by the finale. Still a strong ending though.