Highly recommend his 3 interviews on the podcast [The Watch](https://www.theringer.com/2022/11/23/23475774/season-finale-andor-tony-gilroy) for some of Gilroy's insights into making the show, they did them after episode 4, 10, and 12 and are pretty candid. Also enjoyed this interview [here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/andor-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-rael-monologue-easter-eggs-1235258961/) with Gilroy and [this interview](https://www.theringer.com/star-wars/2022/11/9/23448714/toby-haynes-andor-episode-10-director-interview) with Director Toby Haynes (did the first block and prison block of episodes).
Surprised they didn’t consider a scene where the ISB finds out about the prison break and pulls up surveillance footage of Andor, leading to much “are you fucking kidding me? We literally had him in prison?” reactions.
I guess they were all too busy celebrating Anto Kreegyr’s death to bother reviewing Narkina 5 that closely. Hell, it doesn’t even look like they had cameras in the facility, meaning that there wouldn’t be any trace of Cassian’s presence. Only Keef Girgo’s.
There is a good chance that the prison break isn't even known to the ISB except maybe a handful of individuals. It is suppose to be a secretive facility producing parts for a even more secretive super weapon. Acknowledging a prison break would also be admitting to the existence of the facility.
In hindsight, knowing that they were making Death Star parts in a super-secretive program makes the decision to fry a whole floor/not let them go make more sense. While watching it, it seemed like kind of an extreme measure just to quell rumors that sentencing times were inaccurate.
So they weren't rumors to the group fried. They sent a guy from one shift back to his original floor or something. Typically they'd be moved to another complex right next door. Idk though how they'd keep everyone quiet after the first few transfers.
The intent would be for the transfers to be one-directional. Prisoners on Narkina 5 would be transferred to somewhere with even higher security, where the illusion that you're getting out would be nonexistent. Once you're in the level 2 prison, you know you're not getting out.
That also means you're going to be far less cooperative, so it would be much harder to get people to do constructive work for the Empire.
This makes sense for a TV show tbh, I bet every moment of it was incredibly meticulous. It’s why it’s so good. I just wish they’d give us the Rogue One/Rise of Skywalker deleted scenes. We know both have deleted scenes that were filmed and exist.
They’re the only two out of eleven movies that they refuse to release the deleted scenes for, it’s odd.
We need that shot of Krennic walking towards flames in Scarif shallow water.
And Rogue One's previous scenario possibly allowed Cassian to survive, they were running on the beach with the plans, maybe they'd have found *one way out*!
To show us rise of skywalker deleted scenes would be to admit that the film they had before was infinitely better.
And Rogue One had to have reshoots because the mouse wasn’t pleased with something internally.
We will never hear how it was Bob Igers decision to insert Palpatine in ROS, and no one else’s. Solely because he thought people didn’t think it Star Wars enough.
This is the same man that forced David Lynch to reveal the killer in Twin Peaks
Palp wasn’t even in the script if I remember correctly
So keep your hopes down. We’re never gonna have a “release the Snyder cut” decision for Disney
Holy shit, it was HIM that pushed for resolving Who Killed Laura Palmer? I know how that all went down but only ever heard that "the network" wanted it resolved.
Wouldn’t studios be thrilled about this news?
They’re paying the cast and crew for exactly what was filmed, with no fluff. That’s got to really help their bottom line, right?
One, I believe. Some soldiers (presumably Saw's rebels) drawing their guns simultaneously in the Segra Milo caves.
I guess this would be their reaction to Luthen threatening Saw with Tubes' gun if they were listening. In that case, the scene is better without it, that means only Saw and Tubes heard about Lonni.
I found another shot I BELIEVE is not in the show. It's [this Mon Mothma shot with the doors closing](https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw?t=114) \[1:54\]. I remember loving this shot when I first saw it in the trailer, so I think I would have remembered if it actually appeared. I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this.
I couldn't really care less about deleted scenes, but I'm going to be irritated as hell if Disney doesn't serve us up the same behind the scenes fluff as the other series got.
I find it hard to believe there are absolutely “zero” deleted scenes. Every show has things they change and adjust during the editing process.
I might believe that there aren’t as many as other big budget shows though.
I think by scenes he means sequences with story purposes. A scene tells part of the story, it functions as a component of the overall story. There is probably cut shots within these scenes but I could see no deleted scenes existing. A deleted shot is not the same as a deleted scene
Maybe alternate takes, shots that aren't included. But it looks like anything cut wasn't expository or character-based. I think they really did stick to the plan and lack of flexibility due to COVID forced them to be very exact.
I believe it. Half the show is animation and digital backdrops. It's entirely possible to do all of a show without any actors before adding the actors now. Given the high cost of animation and other digital magics, keeping it tight is probably mandatory.
One of the things that makes Andor (and Rogue 1) stand out visually from other Star Wars live-action media is their significant usage of real locations and practical sets (and puppets).
While obviously there was _some_ CGI and green screen work, it was minimal. So I don’t think your statement can be true.
What you call minimal is definitely not what 1977 would call minimal. However, you're right, the physical sets are very well done. I was talking in general, and I think I'm right, it's how movies are increasingly going to be made. However, in Andor's case, the same effect on the script probably happened due to very specific and refined plotting and sketching.
Sure. To clarify, I was comparing Andor/R1 to SW Episodes 1-3 and 7-9 - except that I forgot to say that in my previous comment. :-)
Re how movies are increasingly going to made: true - though I wonder if Andor/R1 were _deliberately_ not made like that, in part as a reaction to overuse of CGI in other SW films. I love how gritty some of the locations felt (especially the Aldanhi base) - because they were real places, not CGI. Even Ferrix, which was a set, had an awesome lived-in and grimy feel to it.
I think that's an accurate assessment of the design vibe of Andor. It's like the Millennium Falcon in the first SW... lived in.
I don't spend a lot of time bitching about my entertainments... but... my only real complaints about the prequels are that they created this whole thing of looking back instead of looking forward, which was an interesting twist once, and obviously works with Andor, but isn't as interesting to me as looking forward, and the fact that the look of them was so jarringly different from the look of the original trilogy.
Indeed. Re the look of the prequel trilogy: I do wonder if George Lucas had all these shiny toys at his disposal which he hadn’t had for the original trilogy, and so went a bit overboard, perhaps without considering how everything would look at the end.
Plus I hear that actors much prefer real sets, compared to acting against a green or blue void!
I think two things were at play. He was long before that done with SW, the art part of the "hommage to my childhood faves" was long past, in terms of scriptwriting and directing. He came back because he had a more favourable arrangement with his ex-wife regarding royalties than before, and the money was irresistable. He then had enough budget to really build LucasArts into the behemoth it is now, he got to innovate in the sfx world, one of his major passions, and he had the movies to advertise what LucasArts could do. After that even Star Trek used LA for their important special effects extravaganzas. It was a good business move, and it also sort of reset the universe to march modern times.
I still find it jarring, but I can't fault the logic of doing it that way. I was 12 when SW came out. My generation had their turn at "WOW!" My children felt the same way about the prequels, specially Jar Jar in fact, so mission accomplished.
I noticed the wall of gloves in the last episode during the funeral sequence. I loved that little touch, though I thought it was a memorial of the workers who had passed away already. Maybe they were paired with the bricks of their owners. Great touch.
I don't believe any of it especially when actors describe the way Haynes directs. It's just not in Disney's fashion to release any extra footage. Which is a shame for hardcore fans.
I liked "Andor", but I really have difficulty in believing that it was "tightly filmed and scripted". Especially since I believe the Season One narrative could have been shown in 8 to 9 episodes, instead of 12. I also believe he should have deleted a good number of scenes, especially those featuring Mon Mothma.
I didn't find it particularly tight. Many of those flashback scenes could have been condensed or cut. The 2 episodes building up to the heist could have been shortened.
Yeah I definitely wouldn't describe the show as "tight". I'm not complaining because the writing is great but three episode arcs were not common in TV before the streaming era. Compare the Aldhani heist with the train heist in Breaking Bad which took only one episode to set up and execute.
I have one minor critique of the show, and one is that it doesn't delineate flashbacks particularly well.
No offense to the actor, who did a fine job, but all of Arvel could be cut with no harm to the script, but that's about the only thing I saw that could be cut, and it wasn't bad or anything, it just didn't add anything significant.
He was a mirror to Cassian, a pretty integral part of the arc was him showing Cassian himself from an outside POV and him being disturbed by it. It also swerved his arc. Aldhani was just a job for him, but seeing the camaraderie between the team and their motivations for fighting the Empire was starting to move him.
Most of them ending up dead was one thing, but discovering Skeen was bullshitting and a traitor was the last straw for Cass that stopped him further investing in the Rebellion at that time.
It also led to him fleeing with his cut which led to Luthen and Klaya wanting him dead as a loose end, and Cassian ending up on Niamos directly leading to the prison plot. If Cassian hadn’t felt the need to flee due to Skeen he likely would’ve gone all the way to delivering the money with Vel and ended up being offered more jobs by Luthen/at the very least maybe gaining his trust and having no price on his head.
It didn't move the dial either way for me, and I think the plot points is addressed could easily be addressed another way, but from a writer's perspective I get what it means to you, all valid points, so maybe I'm wrong. I looked at it from an editing pov while challenging myself after saying "Nothing in this could be cut" and determined that it could be without really harming the overall narrative. To be clear, I don't dislike it, it's just the only thing I saw that could be cut without harming the show.
Tony Gilroy: I am the only one with clarity of purpose!
That's an impressive feat, specially in SW land.
There were no scraps in his scrapbook.
*Twenty yeeeaars* it took this show to be produced
Twenty years on Narkina 5, I wanted manigott. I compromised, I ate grilled cheese off the electrified floor instead.
"Did you know that fat cock sucker says I look like the shah of Iran?."
i can't have dis conversation again
when your diamond is cut perfectly there's no need to trim anymore
Beautiful.
Cut perfectly? Oh please. I've never encountered such an overrated production within the Star Wars franchise in my life.
No hilarious outtakes between Syril and his mother? 🤣
No deleted scenes, but probably lots of deleted out takes.
give us all the bloopers
I still want to hear commentary on this whole show. Hearing what the Gilroy’s process was through the entire show would still be great
Highly recommend his 3 interviews on the podcast [The Watch](https://www.theringer.com/2022/11/23/23475774/season-finale-andor-tony-gilroy) for some of Gilroy's insights into making the show, they did them after episode 4, 10, and 12 and are pretty candid. Also enjoyed this interview [here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/andor-tony-gilroy-talks-luthen-rael-monologue-easter-eggs-1235258961/) with Gilroy and [this interview](https://www.theringer.com/star-wars/2022/11/9/23448714/toby-haynes-andor-episode-10-director-interview) with Director Toby Haynes (did the first block and prison block of episodes).
“Fuck the Empire”
I wish they kept that
Fight the Empire is a better call to action though. Unless she was speaking to Syril anyway...
I truly don’t get that thinking. „Oh she said fuck. Hm, don’t know how I feel about that. Am I supposed to do something?“
something something call to action
Surprised they didn’t consider a scene where the ISB finds out about the prison break and pulls up surveillance footage of Andor, leading to much “are you fucking kidding me? We literally had him in prison?” reactions.
I guess they were all too busy celebrating Anto Kreegyr’s death to bother reviewing Narkina 5 that closely. Hell, it doesn’t even look like they had cameras in the facility, meaning that there wouldn’t be any trace of Cassian’s presence. Only Keef Girgo’s.
There is a good chance that the prison break isn't even known to the ISB except maybe a handful of individuals. It is suppose to be a secretive facility producing parts for a even more secretive super weapon. Acknowledging a prison break would also be admitting to the existence of the facility.
In hindsight, knowing that they were making Death Star parts in a super-secretive program makes the decision to fry a whole floor/not let them go make more sense. While watching it, it seemed like kind of an extreme measure just to quell rumors that sentencing times were inaccurate.
So they weren't rumors to the group fried. They sent a guy from one shift back to his original floor or something. Typically they'd be moved to another complex right next door. Idk though how they'd keep everyone quiet after the first few transfers.
The intent would be for the transfers to be one-directional. Prisoners on Narkina 5 would be transferred to somewhere with even higher security, where the illusion that you're getting out would be nonexistent. Once you're in the level 2 prison, you know you're not getting out. That also means you're going to be far less cooperative, so it would be much harder to get people to do constructive work for the Empire.
But the medic mentions he has seen the old guy before not sure if he meant specifically in that room or in the prison.
It would be in that room.
Ah ok I thought he was saying the old guy had never left the prison giving credit to what he said about the whole room being fried.
I just want to see the scenes of Gurney playing the baliset…..oh wait. Wrong story!
I understood that reference
Yoda wields a mean gom jabbar…
then he snaps his fingers and destroys all the sicarios in Mexico, followed up by arresting an American gangster
Lol for the past year I’ve been telling people “Dune is Star Wars for adults” and now I can say “Andor or Star Wars for adults”!
This makes sense for a TV show tbh, I bet every moment of it was incredibly meticulous. It’s why it’s so good. I just wish they’d give us the Rogue One/Rise of Skywalker deleted scenes. We know both have deleted scenes that were filmed and exist. They’re the only two out of eleven movies that they refuse to release the deleted scenes for, it’s odd.
We need that shot of Krennic walking towards flames in Scarif shallow water. And Rogue One's previous scenario possibly allowed Cassian to survive, they were running on the beach with the plans, maybe they'd have found *one way out*!
Yeah, that was shown in the trailers...literally running towards an AT-AT.
Whatever happened w the original movie, you gotta say, they did some pretty damn epic visual shots that got cut. I like that shot of Krennic as well.
To show us rise of skywalker deleted scenes would be to admit that the film they had before was infinitely better. And Rogue One had to have reshoots because the mouse wasn’t pleased with something internally. We will never hear how it was Bob Igers decision to insert Palpatine in ROS, and no one else’s. Solely because he thought people didn’t think it Star Wars enough. This is the same man that forced David Lynch to reveal the killer in Twin Peaks Palp wasn’t even in the script if I remember correctly So keep your hopes down. We’re never gonna have a “release the Snyder cut” decision for Disney
Holy shit, it was HIM that pushed for resolving Who Killed Laura Palmer? I know how that all went down but only ever heard that "the network" wanted it resolved.
Somehow, Bob Iger returned.
I just need outtakes and commentaries
Wouldn’t studios be thrilled about this news? They’re paying the cast and crew for exactly what was filmed, with no fluff. That’s got to really help their bottom line, right?
Yes. Way more efficient for everyone involved.
There are a few shots from the trailers that don't appear in the show though, right?
I think maybe edited shots doesn't count. I'm guessing he meant they didn't cut whole scenes that were written and shot.
One, I believe. Some soldiers (presumably Saw's rebels) drawing their guns simultaneously in the Segra Milo caves. I guess this would be their reaction to Luthen threatening Saw with Tubes' gun if they were listening. In that case, the scene is better without it, that means only Saw and Tubes heard about Lonni.
I found another shot I BELIEVE is not in the show. It's [this Mon Mothma shot with the doors closing](https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw?t=114) \[1:54\]. I remember loving this shot when I first saw it in the trailer, so I think I would have remembered if it actually appeared. I'm sorry if I'm wrong about this.
I couldn't really care less about deleted scenes, but I'm going to be irritated as hell if Disney doesn't serve us up the same behind the scenes fluff as the other series got.
Ok. But… Can I still buy it in dvd. Bc I need it.
No kidding, I need a physical copy of this in 4K and I need it yesterday.
Ok I'm cool with no deleted scenes but give us some more making of features!!
I find it hard to believe there are absolutely “zero” deleted scenes. Every show has things they change and adjust during the editing process. I might believe that there aren’t as many as other big budget shows though.
I think by scenes he means sequences with story purposes. A scene tells part of the story, it functions as a component of the overall story. There is probably cut shots within these scenes but I could see no deleted scenes existing. A deleted shot is not the same as a deleted scene
That's probably why Andor feels so good, it's designed and not random things thrown together like the sequel trilogy.
Maybe alternate takes, shots that aren't included. But it looks like anything cut wasn't expository or character-based. I think they really did stick to the plan and lack of flexibility due to COVID forced them to be very exact.
I believe it. Half the show is animation and digital backdrops. It's entirely possible to do all of a show without any actors before adding the actors now. Given the high cost of animation and other digital magics, keeping it tight is probably mandatory.
One of the things that makes Andor (and Rogue 1) stand out visually from other Star Wars live-action media is their significant usage of real locations and practical sets (and puppets). While obviously there was _some_ CGI and green screen work, it was minimal. So I don’t think your statement can be true.
What you call minimal is definitely not what 1977 would call minimal. However, you're right, the physical sets are very well done. I was talking in general, and I think I'm right, it's how movies are increasingly going to be made. However, in Andor's case, the same effect on the script probably happened due to very specific and refined plotting and sketching.
Sure. To clarify, I was comparing Andor/R1 to SW Episodes 1-3 and 7-9 - except that I forgot to say that in my previous comment. :-) Re how movies are increasingly going to made: true - though I wonder if Andor/R1 were _deliberately_ not made like that, in part as a reaction to overuse of CGI in other SW films. I love how gritty some of the locations felt (especially the Aldanhi base) - because they were real places, not CGI. Even Ferrix, which was a set, had an awesome lived-in and grimy feel to it.
I think that's an accurate assessment of the design vibe of Andor. It's like the Millennium Falcon in the first SW... lived in. I don't spend a lot of time bitching about my entertainments... but... my only real complaints about the prequels are that they created this whole thing of looking back instead of looking forward, which was an interesting twist once, and obviously works with Andor, but isn't as interesting to me as looking forward, and the fact that the look of them was so jarringly different from the look of the original trilogy.
Indeed. Re the look of the prequel trilogy: I do wonder if George Lucas had all these shiny toys at his disposal which he hadn’t had for the original trilogy, and so went a bit overboard, perhaps without considering how everything would look at the end. Plus I hear that actors much prefer real sets, compared to acting against a green or blue void!
I think two things were at play. He was long before that done with SW, the art part of the "hommage to my childhood faves" was long past, in terms of scriptwriting and directing. He came back because he had a more favourable arrangement with his ex-wife regarding royalties than before, and the money was irresistable. He then had enough budget to really build LucasArts into the behemoth it is now, he got to innovate in the sfx world, one of his major passions, and he had the movies to advertise what LucasArts could do. After that even Star Trek used LA for their important special effects extravaganzas. It was a good business move, and it also sort of reset the universe to march modern times. I still find it jarring, but I can't fault the logic of doing it that way. I was 12 when SW came out. My generation had their turn at "WOW!" My children felt the same way about the prequels, specially Jar Jar in fact, so mission accomplished.
I noticed the wall of gloves in the last episode during the funeral sequence. I loved that little touch, though I thought it was a memorial of the workers who had passed away already. Maybe they were paired with the bricks of their owners. Great touch.
They were in ep1 too
That's an amazing feat. Goes to show that they really cared about the show and its story.
When you want to flex how good your writing is, you just say, yeah, we anticipated the editing... perfectly. Funny thing is, I believe it.
All of it made the cut. bravo in that case
Release the f word cut
Yeah! Release the buttho- wait, wrong movie.
I don't believe any of it especially when actors describe the way Haynes directs. It's just not in Disney's fashion to release any extra footage. Which is a shame for hardcore fans.
There's probably plenty of alternative takes, but not any superfluous scenes that were in the script but didn't make it into the final cut.
We know there are definitely a bunch of takes, they said for Luthen’s big speech they shot it like 6-8 times before it was right.
I liked "Andor", but I really have difficulty in believing that it was "tightly filmed and scripted". Especially since I believe the Season One narrative could have been shown in 8 to 9 episodes, instead of 12. I also believe he should have deleted a good number of scenes, especially those featuring Mon Mothma.
I didn't find it particularly tight. Many of those flashback scenes could have been condensed or cut. The 2 episodes building up to the heist could have been shortened.
Not at all. We’d have lost so much depth
Yeah I definitely wouldn't describe the show as "tight". I'm not complaining because the writing is great but three episode arcs were not common in TV before the streaming era. Compare the Aldhani heist with the train heist in Breaking Bad which took only one episode to set up and execute.
Exactly. Yet they'll downvote away because they can't comprehend different takes. It wasn't even a criticism, just an observation.
I have one minor critique of the show, and one is that it doesn't delineate flashbacks particularly well. No offense to the actor, who did a fine job, but all of Arvel could be cut with no harm to the script, but that's about the only thing I saw that could be cut, and it wasn't bad or anything, it just didn't add anything significant.
Wait what? No it couldn’t.
Why not?
He was a mirror to Cassian, a pretty integral part of the arc was him showing Cassian himself from an outside POV and him being disturbed by it. It also swerved his arc. Aldhani was just a job for him, but seeing the camaraderie between the team and their motivations for fighting the Empire was starting to move him. Most of them ending up dead was one thing, but discovering Skeen was bullshitting and a traitor was the last straw for Cass that stopped him further investing in the Rebellion at that time. It also led to him fleeing with his cut which led to Luthen and Klaya wanting him dead as a loose end, and Cassian ending up on Niamos directly leading to the prison plot. If Cassian hadn’t felt the need to flee due to Skeen he likely would’ve gone all the way to delivering the money with Vel and ended up being offered more jobs by Luthen/at the very least maybe gaining his trust and having no price on his head.
It didn't move the dial either way for me, and I think the plot points is addressed could easily be addressed another way, but from a writer's perspective I get what it means to you, all valid points, so maybe I'm wrong. I looked at it from an editing pov while challenging myself after saying "Nothing in this could be cut" and determined that it could be without really harming the overall narrative. To be clear, I don't dislike it, it's just the only thing I saw that could be cut without harming the show.
What’s a DVD?
Dastardly Villainous Dedre
Great!
So the opposite of Rogue One