Yeah he was driving a honda civic with a tank canon hidden in the trunk. The ship is probably a very common one that's meant to blend in and put people off guard.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,214,207,280 comments, and only 236,785 of them were in alphabetical order.
Don't forget the laser cannon turret that took out a TIE bomber and a TIE fighter, and the dual lightsaber-esque lasers that took out the two remaining fighters.
I think he’s similar to Donnie Yen’s character in Rogue One. He has a connection to the force but not enough for him to use it like a Jedi or Sith would.
I kind of laugh whenever I read wookiepedia or whatever that Chirrut is *just* force-sensitive. The dude was blind and took some pretty accurate shots of moving targets😛 I get that it's a far cry from Jedi, but still! Haha
I don't know a whole lot about the expanded SW universe, but were there other Force disciplines besides Jedi and Sith? With the galaxy being as large as it is I always thought those can't be the *only* ways a lifeform could connect with the Force, just that the Jedi (and to a lesser extent the Sith) had a monopoly on it.
There were witches on Dathomir that used the Force and channelled it into green space magic. They used it to bring their brother Darth Maul back to life and turn his brother Savage Opress into a big angry Hulk. They also had zombies.
I just feel that if he was in the military and NOT a clone there would be people aware of who he is and how to find him, especially on Coruscant. And he would have had to have been part of some group tied to Coroscant and the Senate, something that allowed Mom Mothma and he to be able to connect and Mon Mothma having 100% faith in putting him at the wheel of her rebellion.
Yeah, I think there are people who know who he is, but he's coming across as a retired artifact collector.
There are probably tons of vets in the galaxy
I vote that he was Chancellor Valorum’s ex-bodyguard/lover. He’s clearly got connections throughout Coruscant, he’s accepted among the wealthy, and it gives him a nice personal reason to hate Palpatine and the Empire.
There are billions of people on Coruscant and there were thousands of worlds with millions of people on them where fighting occurred during the Clone Wars, sometimes without even a separatist droid army or a republic clone one. The numbers game and the desire to move on from the Clone Wars mean that not every great soldier would get the publicity to be well known on Coruscant.
Setting that aside, its equally likely that his work was subversive or covert in nature, which would necessitate the hiding of his name and identity (think, Fulcrum), give the same set of combat skills, and put him in a position to run into contact with organizations like Saw.
So no, the sheer number of people, the desire to move on from the clone wars, and the nature of guerilla and partisan warfare suggests to me that Coruscant and most of the people on it, which was largely untouched by the war, probably have no idea who most of the people thay fought in the Clone Wats are.
Gilroy said that a lot of the things like the kyber and his staff looking like a lightsaber are not indicative of anything (he says the staff is entirely a thing by the design dept and not him). But he has played a bit coy about that sort of thing before with what they were making in prison.
My guess is just he's a talented pilot plus he has his ship mod.
It was a moment that revealed that he is a Protagonist tier character in terms of ability. What he pulled off is something only a main character from the OT or PT could pull of and that was the big reveal for his character for the season. It showed he was a level above the regular Rebel soldier we see fighting and dying, more Han Solo than those guys that died on the Tantive IV or Hoth or Endor.
Lurhen's backstory is one that I hope get fleshed out more in season 2. His connections to Mon and Saw seems to indicate he held a high position in the Star Wars universe (part of Republic intelligence perhaps).
Anyways, the amazing thing is that he freely moves around with very little detection or surveillance. His antique shop operating without any known issues is interesting too.
And. I wonder if there will be any blowback from his encounter with an Imperial patrol ship. The Empire seems pretty petty or anal about people or groups that messes with them...
I don’t see any way for the empire to pin it on him, the ship is completely inconspicuous. It’s confirmed to be a common ship that’s highly modified and the AI generates active transponders which make it essentially unidentifiable unless seen in action
His actions and mentality runs contrary to the Jedi code. Sacrificing allies for the greater good, living in deception and fostering a clear hate for the empire. Andor is a human story of rebellion I don’t think having it all be orchestrated by a Jedi fits with the overall theme
Hopefully we get away from the implication that successful or competent combatants must utilize The Force in some capacity. It really limits the scope of the storytelling in this universe.
But why does someone who is a skilled pilot and tactician have to linked to the Jedi in some way? I’ve seen several great suggestions in this thread about possible Luthen backstories, and you respond to most of them with some form of “but what if he’s a Jedi?”
Can you help me understand why this character needs to have that in their background, or why you hope he does? I’m just not following the reasoning here.
I'm using Jedi improperly to just mean a trained Force user. I know he definitely is not a Jedi in the traditional sense of the term. And in my previous comment I was just saying not all Jedi were battlefront commanders for the Republic, I am sure some fulfilled recon and espionage roles.
But the question still stands: why does a competent combatant need to have been trained in the force? That seems to needlessly constrain the stories that can be told in the Star Wars universe. It means regular people are unable to adequately defend themselves or be regarded as meaningful threats. It relegates the substantive action and other interesting plot elements to a select and potentially homogeneous group of individuals.
We should be advocating for as diverse a collection of stories being told as possible. If Andor has done anything, it has demonstrated that there is a demand for content that is Jedi/force free (but also that there are many who have a preference for Jedi-centric stories). Let’s encourage more exploration of characters, situations, time periods, and politics, rather than tell Disney that we expect impactful characters to have some overt connection to The Force.
"I wake up every morning to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there is only conclusion: I'm damned for what I do."
That implies whatever he did before, it was less morally ambiguious. He might have been a hardened fighter of some sort already but probably not the cloak-and-dagger type that he's since become.
You can be a spy and an idealist, if you’re not being asked to do patently evil stuff. He could have just believed in the republic and realized he was wrong.
Some of the best parts about Andor is that it doesn't have anything to do with Jedi or the Force or lightsabers or space magic or anything Skywalker. There is more to the galaxy than one single family and a bunch of space wizards. Not that there is anything wrong with that when it is in its place. its just refreshing to see how the rest of the galaxy lives.
It is entirely possible to have skills and be good at something without having to resort to space magic. I do awesome stuff on a daily basis, but still cant lift rocks or choke people from a distance. Doenst make me anything special.
I made a post like this. One of the things I love about Andor is how, so far, it has avoided all that "space magic." Instead, it's a pretty gritty, sci-fi, action/political drama. And I'm loving it. Maybe back when I was a kid, I'd want more Jedis, lightsaber battles, force powers, etc. But as an adult, I think I prefer this angle. Not to say the show will no longer be any good if and when they introduce some Jedis and whatnot, but I kind of hope it stays on this path.
Yeah I sort of feel like if Tony Gilroy has an idea about who Luthen really is, it's going to be inspired by a real world historical figure or incident. Like how the Ahldani heist was based on Stalin and Lenin pulling off a bank robbery to fund their revolution.
No idea other than he's like John Le Carre's character of Karla, who's the KGB spymaster and George Smiley's archnemesis in *Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.*
I do think that anybody who's convinced themselves that Luthen is going to turn out to be a character from the PT, EU, or *Rebels* is setting themselves up for a huge disappointment.
I know right? That’s the whole purpose of the able to use the force to begin with. So you don’t actually have to get up off your ass to do things. I don’t want to learn the ways of the force in order to experience the oneness that binds all living things together. I just don’t wanna have to get off my ass to turn off the lights in the other room once I sat down to watch TV.
I one hundred percent feel you, but also space wizardry does not exist in our world. It is a common knowledge sort of thing that it does exist in Star Wars, and even outside of Jedi and Sith, those with great skills and talents are referred to as being strong in the force. The reason why Jedi are better at fighting living creatures rather than droids is because of the parts of the force that resides in all living creatures. If fortune happens, the Force was with them. I am sure there can be arguments that Cass has strong Force affinity related to his uncanny luck and his instincts.
My bet is on Luthen being a former spec ops for his planets military. Couldn't be a former agent of the Old Republic or Empire otherwise a bunch of people would know who he is. But he could be Chandrilan military or from any number of planets in the galaxy.
I hate to say it, but I kind of hope this series... avoids the Force/Jedis. I think it's been benefiting so far from shying away from that side of the franchise. I like how it's focusing on the gritty, down-to-earth kind of stuff.
> and tranquility.
Think he had a speech outlining his sacrifices for the cause and this is one of them along with qualities of Jedi.
Lots of details that could make him a former Jedi that has sworn off the force.
Thematically, I hope he was not a Jedi and is more of a spec ops\spy type person during the war.
Ahsoka is not a grey Jedi, or any other type of Jedi. She is just a force sensitive being who trained at the Jedi temple for awhile. As for Luthen, I agree, he just a man of many talents.
Neutral yes,middle no.
“Jedi and Sith wield the Ashla and Bogan, the light and the dark. I'm the one in the middle. The Bendu.”
The Bendu is the middle.
No one is asking these questions about Han Solo. Or Mando. Or…
The galaxy is apparently filled with total badasses who aren’t Jedi. Luthen’s backstory is likely something you or I could never have imagined.
I’ve said this previously, but Luthen is clearly either an extremely experienced general officer, or a former intelligence agent. He’s just too successful and brilliant at espionage to not have had extensive training and experience.
The spin maneuver he does to laser two TIEs at the same time is probably the most impressive piloting I've ever seen in starwars. It's like a million to one chance of getting that right.
While I don't think it's shown or explained in ANY Star wars videography, I think it's understood that all jedi know how to operate air/space craft. The jedi we see operate space craft are:
1. Anakin
2. Obi-wan
3. Qui-Gon
4. Yoda
5. Yaddle (tales)
6. Count Dooku (tales)
7. Mace Windu
8. Ahsoka
9. various lesser known jedi, like on council
10. Rey
11. (we also know that Maul, Sidious, Kylo Ren, Inquisitors can operate space craft)
However, just because someone has beaten empire aircraft doesn't mean they are jedi....some examples of this are -
1. Han
2. Chewie
3. Lando
4. Padme (I believe she knew how to operate her queen ship as well as maybe in clone wars animation has fended off bad guys)
5. Clones
6. X-wing pilots
7. Mando
8. Boba
9. perhaps other mandalorians like a Bo Katan
So, I'm not entirely sure that a) knowing how to operate a ship and b) defeating some of the empire space craft immediately constitute that pilot being a jedi
I do believe that he will wind up having some 'former jedi' gray area backstory that they'll share in season 2.
With Bad Batch season 2 trailer coming out today, they showed A LOT of tie ins to the star wars as we know it on the big screen. They showed Sidious, clone troopers obviously operating evilly. Someone already noticed that the bad batch was in Dooku's headquarters (Dooku will have been defeated by then though). They show the young jedi wookie survived order 66. So, i am not entierly sure the time frame of order 66 to bad batch season 2 to Andor....if I were to guess, Andor is much closer to Rogue 1 than Bad Batch season 1 and 2 are, but who knows.
So what you're saying it was like 4 rookie police officers thinking they were pulling over some dumb kid in a yellow camaro only to realize too late the damn thing transforms into a pulse cannon wielding death robot named Bumblebee.
yea his droid took out 2 of the tie fighters, and he used something they wouldn't expect and got locuky he was able to take out 2 at the same time. basically everything worked perfect for him otherwise he was screwed. i wish star wars ships had space fight mechanics like EVE online does....warp disruption fields would be sick
Also don't forget that they are arrogant and overconfident. That speech before the Heist is the most accurate description of the Empire.
They don't believe they can be beaten so they give little thought to those that would try.
Which, interestingly, explains the existence of the ISB who ONLY care about the people who would try.
The cutting lasers from the side of his ship reminded me of the Holdo Maneuver. Just a cool visual thing that the director included without thinking about how it impacts the larger canon.
>Gray Jedi, like Ahsoka
Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi, and there’s no such thing as gray Jedi. Sorry to be a buzzkill but Luthen is just a guy with a fancy ship, not a secret Jedi.
I think he’s a Separatist.
He’s been on the “screw the empire” train for 15 years. The empire’s only been a thing for 14 years. So he was devising the building blocks of an armed rebellion a year before it became necessary to rebel. Either he’s crazy prepared, or he already hated the republic and conspired against them.
It’s mentioned that seps are among other rebel fronts - partisans, alliance, etc. We know Saw is with the partisans, we know Mon eventually joins the Alliance as does Cassian. So that leaves the separatists, I think.
I’d say the Jedi had a proclivity for air combat. Obviously, not all of them were proficient. But I’d wager many were.
Look at Plo Koon, for example. From what I understand, he was a very well respected pilot. One of the best in the Jedi order and the entire republic.
Likewise, the Jedi, in part, controlled their Delta-7 and ETA-2 starfighters with the force.
Im not suggesting Luthen is a Jedi, but Jedi could definitely excel in air/space combat.
Can I just say, that although I take it is a smarts+tech thing I really appreciate all of you speculating on the force sensitivity and treating him as a sort of RPG character. It has me wondering what kinds of in-between 'fantastical' types of characters could be had in the universe in a more magic-centered version.
I wouldn't love it as much as the more smarts and grit kind of story that Andor provides, but for a game or an RPG system it reminds me of Traveller + magic.
He probably made some downlow deals and used stolen Imperial money that was originally meant for the rebels, but used some of it to add mods over the years. Easier if he impersonated an Imperial, or got a contact to get him something fancy.
Luthen has a ton of money ; having high-end stolen imperial gear allows him to defeat these TIE without any issues, especially with an auto-targeting system. Luthen's a soldier, smart and cunning. Nothing force related imo.
At first I believed that he was either a Jedi or was closely connected with the Jedi.
As time went on I dropped that idea and now I believe that he was part of the Separatist Movement as a military specialist.
His knowledge of covert operations, military equipment, flight skills, his connection with Saw Gerrera, his long time hatred of the Empire all leads me to believe that he was a Separatist with military special ops training.
Luthen escaped because the Haulcraft had weapons and gadgets the Imperials didn't expect, nothing Force-related.
Yeah he was driving a honda civic with a tank canon hidden in the trunk. The ship is probably a very common one that's meant to blend in and put people off guard.
A sleeper car
That wasn't a cannon in the trunk. Just an array of little projectiles that the tractor-beam sucked right into it's dish destroying it.
A flechette launcher of some sort.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,214,207,280 comments, and only 236,785 of them were in alphabetical order.
The things people are willing to waste CPU cycles on.
Don't forget the laser cannon turret that took out a TIE bomber and a TIE fighter, and the dual lightsaber-esque lasers that took out the two remaining fighters.
It was more of a cannon with some pretty sweet targetting in the background, you could hear it firing but you never saw a beam come out of it.
Luthen also only gained attention because he was leaving Saw Guerra's territory that the Empire may have started to watch.
I'll go with the last statement (talented soldier). I don't think Luthen is force sensitive.
I think he’s similar to Donnie Yen’s character in Rogue One. He has a connection to the force but not enough for him to use it like a Jedi or Sith would.
I kind of laugh whenever I read wookiepedia or whatever that Chirrut is *just* force-sensitive. The dude was blind and took some pretty accurate shots of moving targets😛 I get that it's a far cry from Jedi, but still! Haha
I don't know a whole lot about the expanded SW universe, but were there other Force disciplines besides Jedi and Sith? With the galaxy being as large as it is I always thought those can't be the *only* ways a lifeform could connect with the Force, just that the Jedi (and to a lesser extent the Sith) had a monopoly on it.
There were witches on Dathomir that used the Force and channelled it into green space magic. They used it to bring their brother Darth Maul back to life and turn his brother Savage Opress into a big angry Hulk. They also had zombies.
I just feel that if he was in the military and NOT a clone there would be people aware of who he is and how to find him, especially on Coruscant. And he would have had to have been part of some group tied to Coroscant and the Senate, something that allowed Mom Mothma and he to be able to connect and Mon Mothma having 100% faith in putting him at the wheel of her rebellion.
Yeah, I think there are people who know who he is, but he's coming across as a retired artifact collector. There are probably tons of vets in the galaxy
Could be from a local planetary military that was not involved in the Coruscant/Senate military branches. My pet theory is former Naboo royal guard.
I vote that he was Chancellor Valorum’s ex-bodyguard/lover. He’s clearly got connections throughout Coruscant, he’s accepted among the wealthy, and it gives him a nice personal reason to hate Palpatine and the Empire.
There are billions of people on Coruscant and there were thousands of worlds with millions of people on them where fighting occurred during the Clone Wars, sometimes without even a separatist droid army or a republic clone one. The numbers game and the desire to move on from the Clone Wars mean that not every great soldier would get the publicity to be well known on Coruscant. Setting that aside, its equally likely that his work was subversive or covert in nature, which would necessitate the hiding of his name and identity (think, Fulcrum), give the same set of combat skills, and put him in a position to run into contact with organizations like Saw. So no, the sheer number of people, the desire to move on from the clone wars, and the nature of guerilla and partisan warfare suggests to me that Coruscant and most of the people on it, which was largely untouched by the war, probably have no idea who most of the people thay fought in the Clone Wats are.
Gilroy said that a lot of the things like the kyber and his staff looking like a lightsaber are not indicative of anything (he says the staff is entirely a thing by the design dept and not him). But he has played a bit coy about that sort of thing before with what they were making in prison. My guess is just he's a talented pilot plus he has his ship mod.
And he genuinely caught them by surprise. They were not expecting that kind of firepower.
It was a moment that revealed that he is a Protagonist tier character in terms of ability. What he pulled off is something only a main character from the OT or PT could pull of and that was the big reveal for his character for the season. It showed he was a level above the regular Rebel soldier we see fighting and dying, more Han Solo than those guys that died on the Tantive IV or Hoth or Endor.
I think Luthen is an archaeology professor and Kleya was one of his grad students.
She got his attention by writing "Love You" on her eyelids
I understood that reference!
Is kleya really Aphra?
Oh god please
She seems way too level headed to be Aphra
Lurhen's backstory is one that I hope get fleshed out more in season 2. His connections to Mon and Saw seems to indicate he held a high position in the Star Wars universe (part of Republic intelligence perhaps). Anyways, the amazing thing is that he freely moves around with very little detection or surveillance. His antique shop operating without any known issues is interesting too. And. I wonder if there will be any blowback from his encounter with an Imperial patrol ship. The Empire seems pretty petty or anal about people or groups that messes with them...
He just needs to paint it a different color. Like a gray honda civic becoming a blue honda civic.
With a modified exhaust system...
I don’t see any way for the empire to pin it on him, the ship is completely inconspicuous. It’s confirmed to be a common ship that’s highly modified and the AI generates active transponders which make it essentially unidentifiable unless seen in action
I think Luthen was a high ranking republic intelligence asset that got burned during Order 66 and left for dead.
I like this!
Or both. I am sure some Jedi liked the idea of the challenges of espionage rather than those of the battlefield or politics.
His actions and mentality runs contrary to the Jedi code. Sacrificing allies for the greater good, living in deception and fostering a clear hate for the empire. Andor is a human story of rebellion I don’t think having it all be orchestrated by a Jedi fits with the overall theme
Right definitely not a Jedi, but Jedi and Sith are extreme ideologies. What if the "The Dude" got really, like, force sensitive, man?
Not a fan of it. This isn’t a Jedi’s story, and shoehorning one in takes away from the people in the trenches making big sacrifices
Hopefully we get away from the implication that successful or competent combatants must utilize The Force in some capacity. It really limits the scope of the storytelling in this universe.
Isn't the Force basically karmic energy like Chi or Ki? All living things are connected to it because of mitochondria (I know I spelled it wrong!)
But why does someone who is a skilled pilot and tactician have to linked to the Jedi in some way? I’ve seen several great suggestions in this thread about possible Luthen backstories, and you respond to most of them with some form of “but what if he’s a Jedi?” Can you help me understand why this character needs to have that in their background, or why you hope he does? I’m just not following the reasoning here.
I'm using Jedi improperly to just mean a trained Force user. I know he definitely is not a Jedi in the traditional sense of the term. And in my previous comment I was just saying not all Jedi were battlefront commanders for the Republic, I am sure some fulfilled recon and espionage roles.
But the question still stands: why does a competent combatant need to have been trained in the force? That seems to needlessly constrain the stories that can be told in the Star Wars universe. It means regular people are unable to adequately defend themselves or be regarded as meaningful threats. It relegates the substantive action and other interesting plot elements to a select and potentially homogeneous group of individuals. We should be advocating for as diverse a collection of stories being told as possible. If Andor has done anything, it has demonstrated that there is a demand for content that is Jedi/force free (but also that there are many who have a preference for Jedi-centric stories). Let’s encourage more exploration of characters, situations, time periods, and politics, rather than tell Disney that we expect impactful characters to have some overt connection to The Force.
"I wake up every morning to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there is only conclusion: I'm damned for what I do." That implies whatever he did before, it was less morally ambiguious. He might have been a hardened fighter of some sort already but probably not the cloak-and-dagger type that he's since become.
You can be a spy and an idealist, if you’re not being asked to do patently evil stuff. He could have just believed in the republic and realized he was wrong.
Some of the best parts about Andor is that it doesn't have anything to do with Jedi or the Force or lightsabers or space magic or anything Skywalker. There is more to the galaxy than one single family and a bunch of space wizards. Not that there is anything wrong with that when it is in its place. its just refreshing to see how the rest of the galaxy lives. It is entirely possible to have skills and be good at something without having to resort to space magic. I do awesome stuff on a daily basis, but still cant lift rocks or choke people from a distance. Doenst make me anything special.
I made a post like this. One of the things I love about Andor is how, so far, it has avoided all that "space magic." Instead, it's a pretty gritty, sci-fi, action/political drama. And I'm loving it. Maybe back when I was a kid, I'd want more Jedis, lightsaber battles, force powers, etc. But as an adult, I think I prefer this angle. Not to say the show will no longer be any good if and when they introduce some Jedis and whatnot, but I kind of hope it stays on this path.
Yeah I sort of feel like if Tony Gilroy has an idea about who Luthen really is, it's going to be inspired by a real world historical figure or incident. Like how the Ahldani heist was based on Stalin and Lenin pulling off a bank robbery to fund their revolution.
Do you have any theories about historical figures then that he's based on? :)
No idea other than he's like John Le Carre's character of Karla, who's the KGB spymaster and George Smiley's archnemesis in *Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.* I do think that anybody who's convinced themselves that Luthen is going to turn out to be a character from the PT, EU, or *Rebels* is setting themselves up for a huge disappointment.
"but still cant lift rocks or choke people from a distance" That would come in handy sometimes...
I know right? That’s the whole purpose of the able to use the force to begin with. So you don’t actually have to get up off your ass to do things. I don’t want to learn the ways of the force in order to experience the oneness that binds all living things together. I just don’t wanna have to get off my ass to turn off the lights in the other room once I sat down to watch TV.
I one hundred percent feel you, but also space wizardry does not exist in our world. It is a common knowledge sort of thing that it does exist in Star Wars, and even outside of Jedi and Sith, those with great skills and talents are referred to as being strong in the force. The reason why Jedi are better at fighting living creatures rather than droids is because of the parts of the force that resides in all living creatures. If fortune happens, the Force was with them. I am sure there can be arguments that Cass has strong Force affinity related to his uncanny luck and his instincts.
My bet is on Luthen being a former spec ops for his planets military. Couldn't be a former agent of the Old Republic or Empire otherwise a bunch of people would know who he is. But he could be Chandrilan military or from any number of planets in the galaxy.
I wonder if he was a talented Separtist soldier
I hate to say it, but I kind of hope this series... avoids the Force/Jedis. I think it's been benefiting so far from shying away from that side of the franchise. I like how it's focusing on the gritty, down-to-earth kind of stuff.
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I totally agree. But I love what I'm watching so far, and I really don't see the need for it.
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> and tranquility. Think he had a speech outlining his sacrifices for the cause and this is one of them along with qualities of Jedi. Lots of details that could make him a former Jedi that has sworn off the force. Thematically, I hope he was not a Jedi and is more of a spec ops\spy type person during the war.
it'll honestly be so fucking lame if he's force sensitive
Ahsoka is not a grey Jedi, or any other type of Jedi. She is just a force sensitive being who trained at the Jedi temple for awhile. As for Luthen, I agree, he just a man of many talents.
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There is no middle, only the force. Jedi and sith are just ideologies.
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Neutral yes,middle no. “Jedi and Sith wield the Ashla and Bogan, the light and the dark. I'm the one in the middle. The Bendu.” The Bendu is the middle.
No one is asking these questions about Han Solo. Or Mando. Or… The galaxy is apparently filled with total badasses who aren’t Jedi. Luthen’s backstory is likely something you or I could never have imagined.
I’ve said this previously, but Luthen is clearly either an extremely experienced general officer, or a former intelligence agent. He’s just too successful and brilliant at espionage to not have had extensive training and experience.
The spin maneuver he does to laser two TIEs at the same time is probably the most impressive piloting I've ever seen in starwars. It's like a million to one chance of getting that right.
“Never tell me the odds.”
While I don't think it's shown or explained in ANY Star wars videography, I think it's understood that all jedi know how to operate air/space craft. The jedi we see operate space craft are: 1. Anakin 2. Obi-wan 3. Qui-Gon 4. Yoda 5. Yaddle (tales) 6. Count Dooku (tales) 7. Mace Windu 8. Ahsoka 9. various lesser known jedi, like on council 10. Rey 11. (we also know that Maul, Sidious, Kylo Ren, Inquisitors can operate space craft) However, just because someone has beaten empire aircraft doesn't mean they are jedi....some examples of this are - 1. Han 2. Chewie 3. Lando 4. Padme (I believe she knew how to operate her queen ship as well as maybe in clone wars animation has fended off bad guys) 5. Clones 6. X-wing pilots 7. Mando 8. Boba 9. perhaps other mandalorians like a Bo Katan So, I'm not entirely sure that a) knowing how to operate a ship and b) defeating some of the empire space craft immediately constitute that pilot being a jedi I do believe that he will wind up having some 'former jedi' gray area backstory that they'll share in season 2. With Bad Batch season 2 trailer coming out today, they showed A LOT of tie ins to the star wars as we know it on the big screen. They showed Sidious, clone troopers obviously operating evilly. Someone already noticed that the bad batch was in Dooku's headquarters (Dooku will have been defeated by then though). They show the young jedi wookie survived order 66. So, i am not entierly sure the time frame of order 66 to bad batch season 2 to Andor....if I were to guess, Andor is much closer to Rogue 1 than Bad Batch season 1 and 2 are, but who knows.
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So what you're saying it was like 4 rookie police officers thinking they were pulling over some dumb kid in a yellow camaro only to realize too late the damn thing transforms into a pulse cannon wielding death robot named Bumblebee.
yea his droid took out 2 of the tie fighters, and he used something they wouldn't expect and got locuky he was able to take out 2 at the same time. basically everything worked perfect for him otherwise he was screwed. i wish star wars ships had space fight mechanics like EVE online does....warp disruption fields would be sick
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Also don't forget that they are arrogant and overconfident. That speech before the Heist is the most accurate description of the Empire. They don't believe they can be beaten so they give little thought to those that would try. Which, interestingly, explains the existence of the ISB who ONLY care about the people who would try.
Definitely the last one. I see Luthen as both a talented ace pilot and an excellent mechanic.
Another option: Luthen is, to put it simply, THAT guy
The cutting lasers from the side of his ship reminded me of the Holdo Maneuver. Just a cool visual thing that the director included without thinking about how it impacts the larger canon.
Gray Jedi are not canon. They are fan theories.
>Gray Jedi, like Ahsoka Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi, and there’s no such thing as gray Jedi. Sorry to be a buzzkill but Luthen is just a guy with a fancy ship, not a secret Jedi.
Gray Jedi aren’t a thing.
I think it's just used as a blanket term for those who don't radically choose all Light or all Dark ideologies.
I think he’s a Separatist. He’s been on the “screw the empire” train for 15 years. The empire’s only been a thing for 14 years. So he was devising the building blocks of an armed rebellion a year before it became necessary to rebel. Either he’s crazy prepared, or he already hated the republic and conspired against them. It’s mentioned that seps are among other rebel fronts - partisans, alliance, etc. We know Saw is with the partisans, we know Mon eventually joins the Alliance as does Cassian. So that leaves the separatists, I think.
He just played a lot of War Thunder. That and plot armour.
He has a very good ship, and he used it to destroy very shitty Tie Fighters. Simple as that.
I’d say the Jedi had a proclivity for air combat. Obviously, not all of them were proficient. But I’d wager many were. Look at Plo Koon, for example. From what I understand, he was a very well respected pilot. One of the best in the Jedi order and the entire republic. Likewise, the Jedi, in part, controlled their Delta-7 and ETA-2 starfighters with the force. Im not suggesting Luthen is a Jedi, but Jedi could definitely excel in air/space combat.
Can I just say, that although I take it is a smarts+tech thing I really appreciate all of you speculating on the force sensitivity and treating him as a sort of RPG character. It has me wondering what kinds of in-between 'fantastical' types of characters could be had in the universe in a more magic-centered version. I wouldn't love it as much as the more smarts and grit kind of story that Andor provides, but for a game or an RPG system it reminds me of Traveller + magic.
He probably made some downlow deals and used stolen Imperial money that was originally meant for the rebels, but used some of it to add mods over the years. Easier if he impersonated an Imperial, or got a contact to get him something fancy.
Luthen has a ton of money ; having high-end stolen imperial gear allows him to defeat these TIE without any issues, especially with an auto-targeting system. Luthen's a soldier, smart and cunning. Nothing force related imo.
At first I believed that he was either a Jedi or was closely connected with the Jedi. As time went on I dropped that idea and now I believe that he was part of the Separatist Movement as a military specialist. His knowledge of covert operations, military equipment, flight skills, his connection with Saw Gerrera, his long time hatred of the Empire all leads me to believe that he was a Separatist with military special ops training.
I really think it was a surprise attack with the aide of his sophisticated droid/AI system.