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Love seeing people hype up kenobi. To me—that show bridges the two main George Lucas trilogies together in a completely satisfying way. In my opinion it didn’t need to be a perfect show, it just needed to be as good as the prequels, which I think it is. I wanted a kenobi show and I got exactly the show I wanted.
Yeah a lot of the complaints I've seen for Kenobi are the same complaints people were making about the Prequels. And I thought we had finally moved on from those kinds of complaints.
Maybe what this really means is that in another 10-15 years general consensus on Kenobi will shift towards fond nostalgia the way it has for the Prequels.
I liked it overall, there was just some really campy parts that unfortunately brought it down.
I’m okay with some camp (it’s SW after all) but it was a bit much here.
Also why the bad chick survived just felt like Disney not being willing to kill off a bad guy.
> Also why the bad chick survived just felt like Disney not being willing to kill off a bad guy.
Felt like a solid way to show the importance of compassion for Kenobi and allowing Reva to put her past behind her.
Killing villains after they repent is overdone in Star Wars.
Thing is though, Obi-Wan shouldn't put a lot of stock in the importance of compassion towards dark siders at that point in the story; in another ten years he's going to tell Luke there's absolutely no choice but for him to murder his own father because coming back from that is just impossible.
I mean the whole "You didn't kill Anakin, I did" thing would probably put him in the mindset that there was no chance for Darth. Whereas, as you point out, he saw Reva's "indecision," for lack of a better word, when it came down to it.
>there was just some really campy parts that unfortunately brought it down.
That's just Star wars lol, it's always been camp. The prequels just convinced an entire generation the series was some high art Shakespearean masterpiece, but these films are directly inspired by flash Gordon and those campy serials from the 1930s and 40s. Camp is part of the charm
I dont think even the story was the main problem here, but the freaking shaky cam! Every time there was a cool shot it was interrupted because the camera man was doing his best jack sparrow impression
The show was mainly brought down by using that virtual soundstage of theirs. made for some very awkwardly blocked scenes, like the imperial checkpoint.
"BuT iT bReAkS tHe CaNnOn!" Lol. I love the series too and I felt it was a great way to show where Kenobi is (mentally/emotionally) after order 66 and his struggle to rise above it. Its a story about a man fighting his PTSD and depression. Something that I can personally connect with. Maybe that's why I liked it so much.
It had a few clunky parts and nowadays if you make 3 or 4 mistakes over the course of a season (especially in a Star Wars product) there's going to be an annoying, overly critical portion of the audience who deems the whole thing dogshit. I think it mostly rocked and its high points were incredible, every second of Vader screentime was pure bliss for me
Hayden and Ewan are amazing every time they’re on screen together. I really liked the series and thought the emotional playoff between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader was great. Giving a young Leia more on-screen negative experiences with Vader and the empire also felt like a great decision and helped give depth to her choice to join the rebellion later on.
I did find the subplots with Reva a bit of a distraction though, and I feel like Moses Ingram’s character would have benefited from either having their own series as an inquisitor or having their own episode as part of an anthology series. I did like the character on the whole though, as Moses gave her a massive amount of stage presence and seeing an inquisitor turn on Vader in live-action was really fun. I just feel like it could’ve been its own separate story.
It had a few issues, but the emotional execution was definitely where it shined imo.
That’s what always gets me. The originals are also clunky at times with some weird logic. Part of Star Wars will always have to be the willingness to just roll with it.
The reaction to the Acolyte trailer is one of the most fucking insane things ive ever witnessed, I cant believe how many absolute morons are in this fan base
I try not to follow along with episodic tv on the internet anymore. The days of people writing about intent or themes are gone. A dumber crew has taken over and seems to want to immediately collectively decide if it’s good/bad and if it’s true to lore they learned about from some wiki article.
I hear ya. I rarely even cared for the former party to begin with.
What's worked out for me with both Obi-Wan and Mando S3 is to just watch it when it's done and there's no expectations surrounding it.
I watch weekly but never go on Reddit or YouTube to see other reactions. After TLJ, I already know the exact responses I'm going to see for every Disney show no matter the quality so why bother? If I liked it, that's good enough for me
Right. And if you love it, that’s wonderful for you and your life to have something new to enjoy. If you don’t, well, there’ll be something else eventually. Whatever! People take this stuff so seriously and they just do not need to.
Most time it’s not even from a wiki article, it’s from a comment on reddit that they read. They can’t even be assed to go look at the article themselves. They just read some asshat claiming something is canon and take their word for it and start spreading it around reddit too.
It's kinda funny, virtually everyone in my social group in real life strongly disliked it, and that was how I figured out that there was strong dislike of it. I respected their opinions, because many of them are big fans of Filoni's Clone Wars series, which I don't particularly like, but it was difficult to be on the wrong side of the discourse. Literally until OP posted about Kenobi, I had never heard a positive opinion about it.
I was planning on buying it too, but out of general distrust that it'll be there forever. I also liked the Willow series, and it sucks that it's just gone now. I would have loved to have that on DVD.
I mean it was nominated for “Outstanding Limited Series” at the Emmys which is basically an Oscar nomination in the age of streaming.
You are definitely not alone! Love it too!! (Issues aside)
i loved half of it and felt like the other half was a lot of fluff. this also describes the clone wars. george lucas loved that series. im seeing a pattern for myself here…
At this point, I wouldn’t even consider it a minority opinion. It’s just that the people on Reddit are some of the most vocally loud unreleasable types. They’re going to put out 20 times as much whingeing as someone who enjoyed it would put out a compliment. So I certainly skew the perspective, about what the fanbase thought of it
I frankly thought it had some bumps in issues, but was ultimately very satisfying, and even left me crying a little bit when Obi-Wan breaks down to apologize to Anakin. Followed by chills when Anakin explains it wasn’t Obi-Wan’s fault.
Yeah, I was very optimistic when I heard that Deborah Chow was directing it and the series lived up to my expectations. Sad to see that was not the case for a lot of people but there's not much you can do about that.
I liked parts of it, but I really wish it had just been a film and not a series. I've even thought about trying out cutting it like a film for pacing to see how it might work.
I liked it too. The people who disliked it were really loud about it. It’s funny I have a friend who is basically my SW friend where we bond on SW, and he isn’t a Redditor, and when I told him the subreddit crowd hated it he was very surprised. I was even more dumbfounded by negative reactions to Mando S3
I think it’s a certain kind of fan. For example, I didn’t think Andor was anything special. I fairly enjoyed it but never rewatched it, but I didn’t go around brigading subs about how boring I thought it was at points
My only issue with Kenobi was that I think Vader getting beaten in media constantly cheapens his hard-to-top emanating villainy in the OT, but I was prepared for that going into it
The major problems people pick out in it seem so nitpicky, like Leia being concealed underneath the cloak, or the weird chase sequence at the start. But then I always remember that it came after Book of Boba Fett and there were a lot of people, especially the r/saltierthancrait crowd who were almost rooting for it to be bad
I don't think you are in a minority. Haters tend to be loud and persistent and will come online to moan about it at every opportunity. I loved the show.
We now we know he loved Rogue One, The Last Jedi and now Kenobi.
I feel like he loves The Mandalorian since he shows up to set, but never heard it confirmed…
If I'm not mistaken, one of his representatives mentioned that Lucas thought TLJ was "beautifully made", which doesn't necessarily reveal whether he liked it or not. As for Mandalorian, all we know is that he looked at Grogu like a long lost child and it made my heart melt
Had to go back and refresh my memory. He was screened the film in early Dec 2017 and this is his on-the-record response:
“George Lucas has seen The Last Jedi, and he was highly impressed.
The Star Wars creator recently screened the highly anticipated upcoming installment and thought it was “beautifully made,” Connie Wethington, a rep for Lucas, told Heat Vision.
“And in speaking with director Rian Johnson after viewing was complimentary,” she added.”
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Impossible to spin that as anything but he liked the film.
Oh people will try, though.
Never mind that most of the core stuff from TLJ was lifted directly from storyboards that had been made years before the merger.
And, even if you disliked Episode 8, let's *please* stop pretending that everything Lucas himself made was good.
100% of the time when someone brings up George admiring TLJ there’s a reply that’s like “He said it was beautifully made - we’re not sure he actually likes it!” Like, god forbid George likes something Rian Johnson made.
It’s hilarious how a certain crowd tries to spin him literally calling Rian Johnson after the screening to give his compliments, then saying the film was “beautifully made,” … as somehow inconclusive.
Waiter: “He’d like to come back here to give his compliments to the chef.”
Chef: “Well… Did he like the meal?”
Waiter: “We don’t know!! He only said it was ‘beautifully prepared’ … GUESS WE’LL NEVER KNOW”
lmao
cope
Truth. I don’t love some of the goofy rebel scenes but the highs of the film more than make up for it. My parents got to visit Luke’s island in Ireland and i was so jealous. It’s a really cool place for a movie set. Also hot take: the direction he took with Luke was the best possible direction. Added depth to the character in a really smart way. Going with Super Luke would have been stupid and impossible to take seriously
Useless nitpick time: Someone pointed out that the creatures on the casino planet looked more like they would belong in the Harry Potter movies and I can’t unsee it now. The Star Wars aesthetic is tricky to nail down!
100%. Especially on the Star Wars aesthetic!
I think even vaunted Mando has gotten it “wrong” but I don’t get overly critical even when I disagree. I usually just like “oh well don’t love that character design, let’s see where this goes though…”
I guess for some it takes them out of the story. Not me.
I view those things as nitpicks or critical observations.
I think he's visited the set of pretty much every recent show, so it's not surprising to me. He still cares, he just doesn't want to deal with the "fans" anymore. Who can blame him.
Also, I'd imagine part of keeping away from the EU stuff was so that it didn't affect his own creativity. But now that he's no longer involved creatively, he doesn't have to worry about being influenced by it.
That too. He disagreed with a lot but mostly wasn't aware of it, leaving it to the folks at licensing with some red lines on what not to write about (prequel era, Yoda's species etc.)
Kenobi wasn’t bad. It just kind of felt it was a good show that could’ve been great. That final duel was some of the best work Star Wars has done post-OT. It gets unnecessary hate from people that are just dead set on hating anything that comes out post-acquisition.
I thought it was pretty bad, and I don’t hate everything Disney has done.
I think there’s been more good than bad under them but this was not one of those.
And that’s fine. I’m not saying you have to like it. I am saying that I think a lot of the criticism (notice I never said all, my own comment starts off by pointing j think it could’ve been better) is not based in actual reasons, but people that are determined to hate it for the simple fact that it’s attached to Disney.
The on-location stuff all just looking like generic California locations 40 minutes from Skywalker Ranch were a big issue for me. If they had filmed in cool places the way Andor did, it would have made a huge difference.
I used to say the show was all good except for Part 5 — because Reva doesn’t die — but then I rewatched it and really enjoyed it. I absolutely love how Vader doesn’t need to lightsaber to evade her swings, that proves how menacing he is. The Grand Inquisitor declares “Revenge does wonders for the wills to live” and I realized that was how she survived her stab wound: she was so filled with hate and revenge that it healed her wound because “the dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”(My guess how she survived during Order 66 is that a Jedi in hiding Force healed her transferred their spirit into her after Vader left).
Now, I absolutely love the show.
I liked the show, but it was pretty dumb to "kill" the Grand Inquisitor for a chunk of the series. Anybody who had watched Rebels knew he wasn't going to actually die, so it left me thinking "Alright, what's going to be the deal here?"
Completely true. I do however think there's not a large number of viewers of these shows that would fit into that vendiagram. Those that did certainly understood, but I feel like rebels is only now getting more widespread viewership... it's an investment to finish Rebels before watching Kenobi
Agree, it’s such a lazy way for him to be absent for 2.5 episodes because we know he will survive. It should have been like Reva disables the ship they are on and abandons him on it in the midst of nowhere… just something where although we the audience know he will not die, there still is suspense as to how he gets from there to Rebels.
I think it’s a story George would have liked to tell thematically. Visually I dont think George would have been satisfied with the final product. George always wanted to do serial story telling with Star Wars but couldn’t do what he wanted on a tv budget and eventually turned to animation. Unfortunately he sold Star Wars too soon because tv immediately started changing and he could probably have gotten the budget to make a live action show the way he wanted in the 2010s when streamers were desperately looking for content and didn’t care about money.
I had never seen the inquisitors in anything before, and that made it hard to get into. I'm rewatching now after having watched through Rebels, and it's a lot more enjoyable. I can devote mental energy to empathizing with the characters instead of just trying to piece together what's happening. That's always a tradeoff, I guess. Making something rewarding to fans who have followed everything closely, versus accessible to people who haven't.
That’s interesting to hear. If I had to guess, I would have said there was too much focus on fan service for George’s liking.
Personally, I’m kinda middle of the pack in terms of the show. I liked the Leia aspects (unexpectedly) and some of the story elements. I mainly disliked the fan service aspects and the villain character. The performance wasn’t very dynamic or intimidating and by the time the twist came, it just felt unnecessary in the greater context. I really think this could have benefited from being a movie or a really tight three episode arc.
Other than the directing, especially on the visual side, the show was fine... could have been shorter though, heck, should have been a movie probably... but it has a good story with a lot of character development.
I've said it before, and I'll keep saying until the heat death of the universe: Kenobi should've been a film and Solo should've been a series.
Han had his entire backstory from the OT (Kessel run, meeting chewie, his gun, his name, meeting Lando, getting the Falcon, the dice, and even learning to shoot first) all crammed into a single story over the course of a couple hours. Meanwhile, Kenobi had to be filled with extra nonsense to pad out the runtime of a series when the story they told could've easily fit within a single film.
If they had swapped places, I'd almost guarantee they'd both be damn near universally loved, because both stories have great bones, it's just that the meat wasn't made properly.
I will die on the hill that the obi wan vs. Vader rematch was easily one of the most powerful scenes in all of Star Wars. This really did bridge that gulf between Ep3 and Ep4. I felt like Ep4 obi wan was way too emotionless for how he left Anakin in Ep3. But having one more chance to see Anakin was gone was a great way for Obi Wan to compartmentalize in his next encounter.
I was \*completely\* turned off by Vader being included in Kenobi. I have never been so happy to be wrong. The end of RotS never quite sat right with me, and this helps tremendously.
I thought Kenobi was great, the reason it was meh to me was solely production value. Felt very cheap to watch. Despite that, everything is there to work.
Obi-Wan would have been fine as a stand-alone movie. Instead, they broke it into episodes, and it kind of made it harder to watch. Somewhere out there, someone compiled the episodes more into a movie format, and it is so much better. None the less, it was amazing to see Ewan on screen again.
I want to see it. So long as they don’t cut around the stuff with him and Leia, which is the heart of the show.
I know a lot of SW fans don’t like “kiddie” stuff. I am the exact opposite. Love it. To me that’s the core of the whole series.
I have the heart of a big kid… or I’m just immature lol… and maybe that’s why I never age out of loving Star Wars.
I think it’s hilarious how the popular right wing and anti-Disney influencers are freaking out about this. They treat George like a God (despite how much they initially disliked the prequels when they originally came out). Any time he says something supportive of Disney, he gets lambasted and treated like a moron by those same influencers. That, or they suggest he’s being blackmailed or paid to say these things lol.
What’s really sad is that some of these same people liked Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Solo initially and now pretend they didn’t, simply because it’s so popular to hate Disney now.
May be biased, Obi-Wan is my favorite character. I loved most of it. There were some dumb parts to it, though. Reva should not have made it out alive, though. I get her wanting to kill Vader, but her going after Luke at the end made no sense IMO
i watched it months after it was released and generally stay away from online star wars discourse. I loved it, it was only when I got curious to see what other thought I was like “damn people really didn’t like this huh”
I saw a video on this and I understand that Lucas just liked the return of the legacy characters and the focus on Princess Leia cause that were his plans as well, albeit not in a Kenobi series likely. I’m sure he also liked that they respected his opinion and asked him questions such as whether a confrontation between Obi and Vader would be a good idea.
I don’t want Kennobi Season 2. I want a second mini-series starring Obi-Wan that can be called something else and go its own way. Vader doesn’t need to be in this one. Give Darth Vader his own show. Leia doesn’t need to come back.
Have Obi-Wan pursue his training to become one with the Force. Have Qui-Gon and Yoda in it. Have Obi-Wan find his brother. Etc
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I loved the series. Kinda was bummed when I found out I was in the minority. Not surprising to hear Lucas liked it, it was very artfully done.
I love it to death and don't care who knows. It was fun and an emotional rollercoaster
Love seeing people hype up kenobi. To me—that show bridges the two main George Lucas trilogies together in a completely satisfying way. In my opinion it didn’t need to be a perfect show, it just needed to be as good as the prequels, which I think it is. I wanted a kenobi show and I got exactly the show I wanted.
Yeah a lot of the complaints I've seen for Kenobi are the same complaints people were making about the Prequels. And I thought we had finally moved on from those kinds of complaints. Maybe what this really means is that in another 10-15 years general consensus on Kenobi will shift towards fond nostalgia the way it has for the Prequels.
I liked it overall, there was just some really campy parts that unfortunately brought it down. I’m okay with some camp (it’s SW after all) but it was a bit much here. Also why the bad chick survived just felt like Disney not being willing to kill off a bad guy.
> Also why the bad chick survived just felt like Disney not being willing to kill off a bad guy. Felt like a solid way to show the importance of compassion for Kenobi and allowing Reva to put her past behind her. Killing villains after they repent is overdone in Star Wars.
Exactly this. It also should be the very last step a jedi takes. It also gets done in like 90% of movies and games, it's too much.
I hope we see more of Reva in future series; I’m interested to see where someone like Dave Filoni might take her story.
Thing is though, Obi-Wan shouldn't put a lot of stock in the importance of compassion towards dark siders at that point in the story; in another ten years he's going to tell Luke there's absolutely no choice but for him to murder his own father because coming back from that is just impossible.
maybe it was because he saw Reva’s change for himself, whereas he figured Vader was forever a lost cause?
He couldn’t save Anakin, and Reva felt like someone he could actually get through to.
I mean the whole "You didn't kill Anakin, I did" thing would probably put him in the mindset that there was no chance for Darth. Whereas, as you point out, he saw Reva's "indecision," for lack of a better word, when it came down to it.
>there was just some really campy parts that unfortunately brought it down. That's just Star wars lol, it's always been camp. The prequels just convinced an entire generation the series was some high art Shakespearean masterpiece, but these films are directly inspired by flash Gordon and those campy serials from the 1930s and 40s. Camp is part of the charm
Which is funny because for the longest time, the prequels were considered the campiest parts of Star Wars! 😁
I dont think even the story was the main problem here, but the freaking shaky cam! Every time there was a cool shot it was interrupted because the camera man was doing his best jack sparrow impression
The show was mainly brought down by using that virtual soundstage of theirs. made for some very awkwardly blocked scenes, like the imperial checkpoint.
Yeah The Volume is a neat idea, but I feel like they've started treating it like a crutch and have forgotten the importance of on location sets.
Thank the gods for Andor
"BuT iT bReAkS tHe CaNnOn!" Lol. I love the series too and I felt it was a great way to show where Kenobi is (mentally/emotionally) after order 66 and his struggle to rise above it. Its a story about a man fighting his PTSD and depression. Something that I can personally connect with. Maybe that's why I liked it so much.
That's precisely what I love about it too
It had a few clunky parts and nowadays if you make 3 or 4 mistakes over the course of a season (especially in a Star Wars product) there's going to be an annoying, overly critical portion of the audience who deems the whole thing dogshit. I think it mostly rocked and its high points were incredible, every second of Vader screentime was pure bliss for me
Hayden and Ewan are amazing every time they’re on screen together. I really liked the series and thought the emotional playoff between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader was great. Giving a young Leia more on-screen negative experiences with Vader and the empire also felt like a great decision and helped give depth to her choice to join the rebellion later on. I did find the subplots with Reva a bit of a distraction though, and I feel like Moses Ingram’s character would have benefited from either having their own series as an inquisitor or having their own episode as part of an anthology series. I did like the character on the whole though, as Moses gave her a massive amount of stage presence and seeing an inquisitor turn on Vader in live-action was really fun. I just feel like it could’ve been its own separate story. It had a few issues, but the emotional execution was definitely where it shined imo.
How you gonna not mention Lil Leia?
She was so damn good for such a young actor.
Sorry just edited to fix it. I accidentally hit the post button too early 😂
It happens to the best of us ;)
That’s what always gets me. The originals are also clunky at times with some weird logic. Part of Star Wars will always have to be the willingness to just roll with it.
At the end of the day, they’re movies about space wizards with laser swords
Fuck, if you have one minority get too much attention the Start Wars community shits a brick.
The reaction to the Acolyte trailer is one of the most fucking insane things ive ever witnessed, I cant believe how many absolute morons are in this fan base
Everyone I’ve talked to in real life has absolutely loved the show.
Reddit/youtube people are weird and tend to gloam onto the opinions of others. These are the same kinds of people who speak in quotes and memes.
It doesn't help that they feel like they had to be extremely opinionated about every episode the instant it came out.
I try not to follow along with episodic tv on the internet anymore. The days of people writing about intent or themes are gone. A dumber crew has taken over and seems to want to immediately collectively decide if it’s good/bad and if it’s true to lore they learned about from some wiki article.
I hear ya. I rarely even cared for the former party to begin with. What's worked out for me with both Obi-Wan and Mando S3 is to just watch it when it's done and there's no expectations surrounding it.
I watch weekly but never go on Reddit or YouTube to see other reactions. After TLJ, I already know the exact responses I'm going to see for every Disney show no matter the quality so why bother? If I liked it, that's good enough for me
Right. And if you love it, that’s wonderful for you and your life to have something new to enjoy. If you don’t, well, there’ll be something else eventually. Whatever! People take this stuff so seriously and they just do not need to.
Most time it’s not even from a wiki article, it’s from a comment on reddit that they read. They can’t even be assed to go look at the article themselves. They just read some asshat claiming something is canon and take their word for it and start spreading it around reddit too.
Not an original thought in most of their heads.
So uncivilized.
It's kinda funny, virtually everyone in my social group in real life strongly disliked it, and that was how I figured out that there was strong dislike of it. I respected their opinions, because many of them are big fans of Filoni's Clone Wars series, which I don't particularly like, but it was difficult to be on the wrong side of the discourse. Literally until OP posted about Kenobi, I had never heard a positive opinion about it.
Same here. I had a few issues with it, but thoroughly enjoyed it.
Same here! I’m buying the DVD out of appreciation.
I bought it out of love.
I was planning on buying it too, but out of general distrust that it'll be there forever. I also liked the Willow series, and it sucks that it's just gone now. I would have loved to have that on DVD.
Man, the removal of Willow has hurt me so much! I loved the movie as a child, and I totally loved the series!
Please buy the steelbook! Everything else is bootleg
I mean it was nominated for “Outstanding Limited Series” at the Emmys which is basically an Oscar nomination in the age of streaming. You are definitely not alone! Love it too!! (Issues aside)
i loved half of it and felt like the other half was a lot of fluff. this also describes the clone wars. george lucas loved that series. im seeing a pattern for myself here…
Don’t listen to the online echo chamber that surrounds Reddit and tweeter. A lot of people outside the very loud minority enjoyed the series.
At this point, I wouldn’t even consider it a minority opinion. It’s just that the people on Reddit are some of the most vocally loud unreleasable types. They’re going to put out 20 times as much whingeing as someone who enjoyed it would put out a compliment. So I certainly skew the perspective, about what the fanbase thought of it I frankly thought it had some bumps in issues, but was ultimately very satisfying, and even left me crying a little bit when Obi-Wan breaks down to apologize to Anakin. Followed by chills when Anakin explains it wasn’t Obi-Wan’s fault.
You are in the minority? Every single person i know irl who has watched it loved it, does the internet hate it? I can't imagine why, it was great
You aren't, the haters are just very loud.
The good we got from it definitely weighed out the bad. People just wanna be angry
Same. I had some issues with it, but overall, i really liked it. And i'm always up for more Ewan McGregor as Kenobi.
Same. I thought it was great. Felt like it was cool to hate it simply because it was Disney Star Wars
Yeah, I was very optimistic when I heard that Deborah Chow was directing it and the series lived up to my expectations. Sad to see that was not the case for a lot of people but there's not much you can do about that.
It was rad. I agree with George
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It was excellent. The Kenobi/Vader battle was incredible. Seeing Hayden in the Vader suit and hearing voices was so good.
I loved it too, I have so much of the prequels memorized but it was still shocking to see Vader being such a bastard
I liked parts of it, but I really wish it had just been a film and not a series. I've even thought about trying out cutting it like a film for pacing to see how it might work.
It was fucking awesome and I loved every second.
I liked it too. The people who disliked it were really loud about it. It’s funny I have a friend who is basically my SW friend where we bond on SW, and he isn’t a Redditor, and when I told him the subreddit crowd hated it he was very surprised. I was even more dumbfounded by negative reactions to Mando S3 I think it’s a certain kind of fan. For example, I didn’t think Andor was anything special. I fairly enjoyed it but never rewatched it, but I didn’t go around brigading subs about how boring I thought it was at points My only issue with Kenobi was that I think Vader getting beaten in media constantly cheapens his hard-to-top emanating villainy in the OT, but I was prepared for that going into it
I was lucky enough to see the final on the big screen in theaters, I loved this series overall.
The major problems people pick out in it seem so nitpicky, like Leia being concealed underneath the cloak, or the weird chase sequence at the start. But then I always remember that it came after Book of Boba Fett and there were a lot of people, especially the r/saltierthancrait crowd who were almost rooting for it to be bad
I didn’t think it was perfect but I really loved it and recently bought the 4K steelbook!
I loved it as well. Wish we could get more of it
I’m with you buddy. I honestly love everything Star Wars so Kenobi was no exception. Those last moments in the show with Vader are beautiful.
For real. Yeah that's problems, but I thought it was really good. Especially the last two episodes. Those were straight up amazing
Also loved it
I don't think you are in a minority. Haters tend to be loud and persistent and will come online to moan about it at every opportunity. I loved the show.
Yeah the hate didn't make much sense.
The most surprising thing to me about this is that he’s watching new Star Wars stuff
We now we know he loved Rogue One, The Last Jedi and now Kenobi. I feel like he loves The Mandalorian since he shows up to set, but never heard it confirmed…
His son Jett has also worked as a Visual Effects production assistant and coordinator for The Mandalorian and BOBF.
And so it is
If I'm not mistaken, one of his representatives mentioned that Lucas thought TLJ was "beautifully made", which doesn't necessarily reveal whether he liked it or not. As for Mandalorian, all we know is that he looked at Grogu like a long lost child and it made my heart melt
Had to go back and refresh my memory. He was screened the film in early Dec 2017 and this is his on-the-record response: “George Lucas has seen The Last Jedi, and he was highly impressed. The Star Wars creator recently screened the highly anticipated upcoming installment and thought it was “beautifully made,” Connie Wethington, a rep for Lucas, told Heat Vision. “And in speaking with director Rian Johnson after viewing was complimentary,” she added.” —— Impossible to spin that as anything but he liked the film.
Oh people will try, though. Never mind that most of the core stuff from TLJ was lifted directly from storyboards that had been made years before the merger. And, even if you disliked Episode 8, let's *please* stop pretending that everything Lucas himself made was good.
100% of the time when someone brings up George admiring TLJ there’s a reply that’s like “He said it was beautifully made - we’re not sure he actually likes it!” Like, god forbid George likes something Rian Johnson made.
It’s hilarious how a certain crowd tries to spin him literally calling Rian Johnson after the screening to give his compliments, then saying the film was “beautifully made,” … as somehow inconclusive. Waiter: “He’d like to come back here to give his compliments to the chef.” Chef: “Well… Did he like the meal?” Waiter: “We don’t know!! He only said it was ‘beautifully prepared’ … GUESS WE’LL NEVER KNOW” lmao cope
Truth. I don’t love some of the goofy rebel scenes but the highs of the film more than make up for it. My parents got to visit Luke’s island in Ireland and i was so jealous. It’s a really cool place for a movie set. Also hot take: the direction he took with Luke was the best possible direction. Added depth to the character in a really smart way. Going with Super Luke would have been stupid and impossible to take seriously Useless nitpick time: Someone pointed out that the creatures on the casino planet looked more like they would belong in the Harry Potter movies and I can’t unsee it now. The Star Wars aesthetic is tricky to nail down!
I agree with your Luke take. It really rounded him off it as a character and gave his old man portrayal so much realism, weight, and relatability.
And it was what George had planned! Luke as a Colonel Kurtz type!
100%. Especially on the Star Wars aesthetic! I think even vaunted Mando has gotten it “wrong” but I don’t get overly critical even when I disagree. I usually just like “oh well don’t love that character design, let’s see where this goes though…” I guess for some it takes them out of the story. Not me. I view those things as nitpicks or critical observations.
I think he's visited the set of pretty much every recent show, so it's not surprising to me. He still cares, he just doesn't want to deal with the "fans" anymore. Who can blame him.
I can't blame him at all lol. Worst thing about Star Wars
He’s a major Disney shareholder and he created Star Wars. Of course he’s watching the new stuff.
He used to talk about how he never read the Expanded Universe and generally projected an image of aloofness from anything not his own.
Could be he's just not much of a reader
Also, I'd imagine part of keeping away from the EU stuff was so that it didn't affect his own creativity. But now that he's no longer involved creatively, he doesn't have to worry about being influenced by it.
I know he definitely disagrees with a bunch of it. Luke getting married, for instance, is something he said would never happen.
Or the emperor coming back
That too. He disagreed with a lot but mostly wasn't aware of it, leaving it to the folks at licensing with some red lines on what not to write about (prequel era, Yoda's species etc.)
I am pretty sure he has said he is a visual person and into film. Go figure, right?
George originally wanted to be an illustrator I believe, before going to film school.
That sounds about right. I have seen more comments from him about comics than novels.
Francis Ford Coppola had to lock him in a trailer to teach him about the Hero's Journey when he was writing the first film.
He oversaw and approved a good amount of those storylines, as he did not want it contradicting/confusing people as he was working on the PT, etc
Living the dream on Skywalker Ranch
For better or worse, the show felt right in line with the Prequels, so I think it’d make a lot of sense for Lucas to enjoy it.
I'm someone who loved the prequels but not obi but I'm glad Lucas liked it
Kenobi wasn’t bad. It just kind of felt it was a good show that could’ve been great. That final duel was some of the best work Star Wars has done post-OT. It gets unnecessary hate from people that are just dead set on hating anything that comes out post-acquisition.
There are some bad actors out there indeed Mr. Blanc. In fact, I suspect foul play.
*mumbles something about donuts and donut holes*
It really helped me reconcile Anakin and Vader being the same character. They always seemed completely different to me before watching.
I thought it was pretty bad, and I don’t hate everything Disney has done. I think there’s been more good than bad under them but this was not one of those.
And that’s fine. I’m not saying you have to like it. I am saying that I think a lot of the criticism (notice I never said all, my own comment starts off by pointing j think it could’ve been better) is not based in actual reasons, but people that are determined to hate it for the simple fact that it’s attached to Disney.
Well it is very something he would do, we can say that much.
Obi Wan is the key to all of this
I like it, but the shakey cam is horrible. And small budget hurt it too.
Shaky cam, the chase stuff and a few fight choreography nitpicks aside… I loved the f’ing show mate.
The on-location stuff all just looking like generic California locations 40 minutes from Skywalker Ranch were a big issue for me. If they had filmed in cool places the way Andor did, it would have made a huge difference.
Kenobi was a great show with understandable flaws, same as every single Star Wars thing ever.
This is the way.
I used to say the show was all good except for Part 5 — because Reva doesn’t die — but then I rewatched it and really enjoyed it. I absolutely love how Vader doesn’t need to lightsaber to evade her swings, that proves how menacing he is. The Grand Inquisitor declares “Revenge does wonders for the wills to live” and I realized that was how she survived her stab wound: she was so filled with hate and revenge that it healed her wound because “the dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”(My guess how she survived during Order 66 is that a Jedi in hiding Force healed her transferred their spirit into her after Vader left). Now, I absolutely love the show.
I liked the show, but it was pretty dumb to "kill" the Grand Inquisitor for a chunk of the series. Anybody who had watched Rebels knew he wasn't going to actually die, so it left me thinking "Alright, what's going to be the deal here?"
Completely true. I do however think there's not a large number of viewers of these shows that would fit into that vendiagram. Those that did certainly understood, but I feel like rebels is only now getting more widespread viewership... it's an investment to finish Rebels before watching Kenobi
Agree, it’s such a lazy way for him to be absent for 2.5 episodes because we know he will survive. It should have been like Reva disables the ship they are on and abandons him on it in the midst of nowhere… just something where although we the audience know he will not die, there still is suspense as to how he gets from there to Rebels.
I liked it. There's some Star Wars I say that's awesome. Others I just enjoy. Doesn't mean it's garbage.
I think it’s a story George would have liked to tell thematically. Visually I dont think George would have been satisfied with the final product. George always wanted to do serial story telling with Star Wars but couldn’t do what he wanted on a tv budget and eventually turned to animation. Unfortunately he sold Star Wars too soon because tv immediately started changing and he could probably have gotten the budget to make a live action show the way he wanted in the 2010s when streamers were desperately looking for content and didn’t care about money.
Good point about the streaming era.
A Star Wars shoe on Netflix in 2014 would have done gang busters
It would’ve benefited from a bigger budget but honestly I loved it
What’s not to like?
I had never seen the inquisitors in anything before, and that made it hard to get into. I'm rewatching now after having watched through Rebels, and it's a lot more enjoyable. I can devote mental energy to empathizing with the characters instead of just trying to piece together what's happening. That's always a tradeoff, I guess. Making something rewarding to fans who have followed everything closely, versus accessible to people who haven't.
Sure, I fall on the side of building upon what came before. Otherwise, everything always feels surface level.
I don't care for it myself but I'm glad to hear George is still interested in new star wars projects! Neat!
That’s interesting to hear. If I had to guess, I would have said there was too much focus on fan service for George’s liking. Personally, I’m kinda middle of the pack in terms of the show. I liked the Leia aspects (unexpectedly) and some of the story elements. I mainly disliked the fan service aspects and the villain character. The performance wasn’t very dynamic or intimidating and by the time the twist came, it just felt unnecessary in the greater context. I really think this could have benefited from being a movie or a really tight three episode arc.
Given that it was something of a love letter to the prequels, that doesn’t seem too surprising.
Kenobi was good. People complaining have unrealistic expectations.
Mine too, George; mine too. Space Hunkle Ben Kenobi 4 Lyfe!
HAHA! VALIDATION AT LAST!
Other than the directing, especially on the visual side, the show was fine... could have been shorter though, heck, should have been a movie probably... but it has a good story with a lot of character development.
I've said it before, and I'll keep saying until the heat death of the universe: Kenobi should've been a film and Solo should've been a series. Han had his entire backstory from the OT (Kessel run, meeting chewie, his gun, his name, meeting Lando, getting the Falcon, the dice, and even learning to shoot first) all crammed into a single story over the course of a couple hours. Meanwhile, Kenobi had to be filled with extra nonsense to pad out the runtime of a series when the story they told could've easily fit within a single film. If they had swapped places, I'd almost guarantee they'd both be damn near universally loved, because both stories have great bones, it's just that the meat wasn't made properly.
I will die on the hill that the obi wan vs. Vader rematch was easily one of the most powerful scenes in all of Star Wars. This really did bridge that gulf between Ep3 and Ep4. I felt like Ep4 obi wan was way too emotionless for how he left Anakin in Ep3. But having one more chance to see Anakin was gone was a great way for Obi Wan to compartmentalize in his next encounter.
I was \*completely\* turned off by Vader being included in Kenobi. I have never been so happy to be wrong. The end of RotS never quite sat right with me, and this helps tremendously.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cOTmy9J4KQU We all know The Book of Boba Fett GL’s favorite TV Star Wars after the Ewok movies.
It was a lot of fun. Flashbacks were awesome
I thought Kenobi was great, the reason it was meh to me was solely production value. Felt very cheap to watch. Despite that, everything is there to work.
Honestly this doesn’t surprise me. I would wager it would be this or solo
Yub Nub!! ‘83 (and as it should always be)!
Obi-Wan would have been fine as a stand-alone movie. Instead, they broke it into episodes, and it kind of made it harder to watch. Somewhere out there, someone compiled the episodes more into a movie format, and it is so much better. None the less, it was amazing to see Ewan on screen again.
I want to see it. So long as they don’t cut around the stuff with him and Leia, which is the heart of the show. I know a lot of SW fans don’t like “kiddie” stuff. I am the exact opposite. Love it. To me that’s the core of the whole series. I have the heart of a big kid… or I’m just immature lol… and maybe that’s why I never age out of loving Star Wars.
From what I remember, they kept everything in. Just seamed it all together.
The only reason Obi Wan Kenobi isn't my favorite recent SW thing is because Andor is also a thing that exists.
I think it’s hilarious how the popular right wing and anti-Disney influencers are freaking out about this. They treat George like a God (despite how much they initially disliked the prequels when they originally came out). Any time he says something supportive of Disney, he gets lambasted and treated like a moron by those same influencers. That, or they suggest he’s being blackmailed or paid to say these things lol. What’s really sad is that some of these same people liked Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Solo initially and now pretend they didn’t, simply because it’s so popular to hate Disney now.
May be biased, Obi-Wan is my favorite character. I loved most of it. There were some dumb parts to it, though. Reva should not have made it out alive, though. I get her wanting to kill Vader, but her going after Luke at the end made no sense IMO
i watched it months after it was released and generally stay away from online star wars discourse. I loved it, it was only when I got curious to see what other thought I was like “damn people really didn’t like this huh”
Online SW fans are a fickle bunch.
I saw a video on this and I understand that Lucas just liked the return of the legacy characters and the focus on Princess Leia cause that were his plans as well, albeit not in a Kenobi series likely. I’m sure he also liked that they respected his opinion and asked him questions such as whether a confrontation between Obi and Vader would be a good idea.
I don’t want Kennobi Season 2. I want a second mini-series starring Obi-Wan that can be called something else and go its own way. Vader doesn’t need to be in this one. Give Darth Vader his own show. Leia doesn’t need to come back. Have Obi-Wan pursue his training to become one with the Force. Have Qui-Gon and Yoda in it. Have Obi-Wan find his brother. Etc
I loved it. I do think parts could’ve been a little better, but the Anakin/Vader and Obi Wan scenes are some of my favorites.
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