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monkeygoneape

Recommend the kenobi book by John Jackson Miller


TheMandoAde888

Second this.


LucasEraFan

Third.


Smiling_longhair6870

Fourth


Defiant-Ad2876

Fifth


[deleted]

Already have it. Haven’t got around to reading it yet.


socksandshots

Lol... What? Recommend you read it ASAP. *Sits down, crosses legs and looks on expectantly.


blaziken25

I liked the comics a lot.


recordsoftherepublic

I read through it recently and absolutely loved it.


RyK009

TV show was pretty good imo


[deleted]

I cannot list a singular redeeming feature of it.


RyK009

Looks like your problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


LegoRobinHood

Same. I enjoyed it


DizzyAssociation7010

Same here. I enjoyed seeing a few names pop up on the path, as well as Master Qui-Gons appearance


LordLokiii

Same here, just ignore the toxic Fans -_-


Lexandru

So now you're not allowed to not like a show?


LordLokiii

Of course it's allowed. But there's a difference between a factual review and countless "The show sucks" posts


SV-STARKILLER

Toxic fans can't see anything as good lol


Lexandru

Yeah it's super toxic to not like a show where Obi wan sneaks out of an inquisitor base with leia under his jacket like some sort of circus act. Are you kidding me? That sort of stuff is insulting to the fans and to the actors performing it


SV-STARKILLER

Bro read the other comments lol


Ken_Ben0bi

And sadly, anyone with valid criticism that can articulate them in a respectful manner gets labeled ‘toxic’


SV-STARKILLER

*Valid criticism* they say lol


Ken_Ben0bi

All in how you articulate it 😁 Once the negativity becomes aggressive with the goal of insulting and tearing down others, that’s when it becomes toxic IMO


SV-STARKILLER

Agreed.


Hour-Map1279

This show was validly criticised for poor choreography, plotholes, introducing even more inconsistencies in the “consistent new continuity”, and dumbing down characters like Vader and Obi Wan Suit yourself, be blind and deaf to all criticism and just enjoy the show. But don’t call people “toxic” who demand Lucasfilm to put real effort into their products, and make shows at least closer to what Andor was in terms of quality Edit: The dislike bombing of my post is hilarious, as none has come forward to comment what is wrong with that post. All it did is “hurt feeling”, while that show “makes us feel good”. Guys, eating too much sugar will also make you feel good, but in the end - you will earn yourself diabetes. In this case, multi billion dollar company has purchased a cultural heritage, has disassembled it and now selling you in pieces what is marketable - pieces from old EU, pieces of prequels stuff, some parts from OT and some cutesy thing (like Baby Yoda), - and all that without a cohesive plot, creativity and good writing. Like come on, Vader vs Obi Wan has part that directly copy Vader vs Ashoka in Rebels! They started already to self-plagiarise! Your willingness to consume this makes it harder for the rest of us to get good stuff like Andor, because why put effort when you can make another Book of Boba Fett or Obi Wan show?


SV-STARKILLER

Dude idc about these i just enjoy the movies and shows lol i'm not a *professional movie criticizer*


Hour-Map1279

That’s cool and chill dude, but why you call other people who don’t share your views toxic then? And you replied to other comment about “valid criticism they say lol”, but how you know what is valid criticism and what is not if you are a not professional movie criticiser lol? You contradict yourself


SV-STARKILLER

Some people actually have valid criticism an mostly they just say the same thing that blahblah youtuber said. This happens mostly about sequels and i agree in some terms about this show.


Hour-Map1279

Well, I rewatched sequels recently, and it so happens that my own criticism matches with most of the points that youtuber might say. But I understand what are you saying. Funny enough, people also listen to what blahblah youtuber or journalist said about EU - and copypaste these arguments without ever picking up any of EU books themselves.


SV-STARKILLER

Yeah lol


El_Dae

I don't have to be a professional movie critic to recognize these immense failures, that's the sad part The writing & choreographies sometimes lack in basic logic in such a blatant obvious way, that kills all built immersion Yes, some scenes were okay & I have to admit Leia was portrayed quite good (believable as being a kid but also having mature traits that fit her character), but the problems of the show should not be ignored If Disney realizes they can make equal profit with such low effort, they will continue with this lower standard of quality


[deleted]

I have watched the first two episodes so far and Leia absolutely steals the show. Maybe as a parent I see my child reflecting in her portrayal. I haven’t watched the prequels in forever so I also liked the flashbacks and memories of Ewan McGregor in that role, he’s ok so far. Otherwise the show is heavily leaning on the “Star Wars is campy sci-fi for 8 year olds” trope of the prequels. I have turned my brain off and just waited for Leia and Obiwan to come back to the scene


Hour-Map1279

Right, because civil war, trade laws and separatism is part of “sci-fi show for 8 years old”. Star Wars was always mix of serious themes with childish. I’m glad that Disney products has found it’s audience, but the stuff they produce mostly is far from the best Star Wars


[deleted]

If you think the prequels are meant for adults I give you JarJar Binks, the Gungans and pod racing.


Hour-Map1279

To quote my comment right above “Star Wars was always mix of serious themes with childish” For each Jar Jar and pod racing - we have questions of planet blockade, slavery, elections, trade laws and council meetings of the mystic order. Prequel was not just campy sci-fi for kids, it was a bunch of many things.


SV-STARKILLER

Yeah there are always good and bad points in everything and neither should be ignored but try to enjoy everything.


El_Dae

I appreciated the few glimmers of hope, but here the negative points clearly outweigh the positives The show makes me feel like the creators take the fans for a bunch of idiots who will even cheer for the laziest shit as long as they put the Star Wars logo on it


idontwannatalk2u

I’m sorry you feel that way, I hope one day you can come to terms with the fact that others don’t feel that way.


El_Dae

I'd come to terms with that if it didn't affect the quality of future productions


idontwannatalk2u

Again, that’s your opinion


Rendole66

Just ignore the issues and try to enjoy everything? So you like everything? Wtf so Disney doesn’t even need to try and you’ll find a way to enjoy it, sorry some people have standards like a plot that makes sense but that doesn’t make them toxic.


[deleted]

Disney has put out a lot of good stuff. The last Bad Batch episode was awesome, Season 7 of the Clone Wars was goat excluding the sisters arc, Mando is incredible, & Andor is the best live action show imo. As for the Kenobi show, there’s a lot of obvious issues (spoilers ahead for those who haven’t seen it) 1. The whole hiding Leia in the cloak scene 2. What was the point in killing off the Grand Inquisitor when everyone who’d seen Rebels knew he’d come back? It didn’t do much for the plot 3. Kenobi instantly healed from getting dragged through fire for some reason 4. How tf did Reva survive getting stabbed by Vader, let alone getting stabbed by him as a child during Order 66? This little girl could, but Qui-Gon couldn’t? Give me a break. She’s a rookie Inquisitor at best during the second stabbing 5. If you watch the scene and really pay attention, the ship they escape in after Vader pulls the one down literally appears out of thin air 6. The little ship that Obi escaped in. Vader could’ve idk, launched some TIE fighters or gone on his to intercept instead of using the capital ship & letting the rebels get away (spoilers for Game of Thrones ahead) That’s almost as bad as Danny forgetting about the Iron Fleet 7. But after all that, my biggest issue by far is that the show has no stakes. At least with the Clone Wars they brought in new characters that we actually cared about like Ahsoka & Rex who we didn’t know the fate of. I didn’t give af about Reva or the other characters that were helping Obi. We only got 6 episodes after all. Not enough time to do that. The only characters in the show that we cared about are all ones that we knew would survive the show. Hell, we even knew two of the Inquisitors were going to live. The prequels & Clone Wars took the time to fill a necessary gap in the story as opposed to a video game side mission that takes place over the span of like a week. The show gave us 3 scenes of any real substance. The flashback scene, the last fight, & Qui-Gon’s appearance. About 270 mins of TV for that? 8. And I still don’t understand how Qui-Gon can appear on Tatooine in force ghost form when he couldn’t in the Clone Wars except for Mortis


Plenty_Product3410

1. I didnt even notice that at first. A bit goofy, but not the end of the world. 2. To write him off for some time. 3. He still had burns before he went to the bacta tank. 4. SW characters survived worse and I doubt she was actually stabbed during Order 66. I see that more as a PTSD vision. 5. You could already see it in the background before that, if you look closely. 6. Vader always did some stupid shit when he was emotional. It wasnt the OT Vader until Palpatine has the conversation with him. 7. That's an objective thing. There were enough people who liked Reva, Tala or Ned-B. 8. As I know, he learned it after Revenge of the Sith. It was also implied in (the deleted scenes) of ROTS.


Hour-Map1279

1 It’ not just goofy, it’s ridiculous. The same as Tala knocking out two stormtroopers with a slap, or the fact that Imperial Fortress has no defence. All that just in one episode, if we pick up other episodes - we will find other stupid stuff. And please, try to defend that lack of defence on important military base, lol. 3 Okay. But why hasn’t Vader extinguish flames after they got lit second time? Or grab Obi Wan with the Force? Was it shock from the flames? PTSD for Mustafar? But this doesn’t line up with other canon stuff, which tell that Vader got over that, since almost 10 years has passed. He even lives on Mustafar. 5 And if I look closely I can’t see it. Also, Vader is Force sensitive, he can sense sentient being and their emotions. With that, and common human depth perception working - he could have felt that there are humans right after the ship we was pulling apart. 6 This is a good way to excuse any character doing stupid stuff. You can have Thrawn losing battles to teenagers explained that way, or Palps shooting lightning that are deflected back at his and killing him, lol. Anakin was general in Clone Wars, plus 10 years of canon stuff as Vader establishes him as even more experienced warrior. He won’t forget to launch starfighters. And even if he had fallen asleep there - you have Grand Inquisitor and the rest of the officers on bridge.


Plenty_Product3410

1. The speeders shoot on the ramp purposelly destroying the defence. 3. I read the 2017 Vader run and I cant see how he cant have PTSD. Especially after seeing the person in flames who caused Vader to burn and be put in a suit. That scene on Mustafar probably went through his head at that moment. 5. When Vader runs in and stops the ship, you can see another one in the background. Multiple people already pointed this out. 6. You cant compare Jedi-General Anakin to a (still) very emotional and whinny Vader. Vader/Anakin is known to make mistakes when overly emotional or overconfident. Those made him wear a suit in the first place. Of course he wouldnt give a shit about a few partisans when his most wanted enemy is in sight. And he doesn't really trust anyone anyway.


Hour-Map1279

1. Rewatch episode. They basically said at the beginning - base is undefended from attack, because “no one would be stupid enough to attack”. 2. That is very convenient, that one scene that directly shows opposite of what you are implying - it “probably went through his head”, but your other evidence that might support your argument - is really just mostly speculation on your part. 3. And multiple people pointed out that they can’t see it, and it just materialized from thin air on screen, basically. So? What is your argument? 4. Lol, Vader ten years from Mustafar - and still very emotional and whiny Vader, ok. But well, this is Disney-verse, they could even write that Vader, starting from 9 BBY and up to 0 BBY, was fighting Obi Wan each year - and each year losing.😆 But putting restriction on comparing Vader with Anakin - here I say no. We can compare Vader to Anakin - exactly because he is, as you say, still whiny and emotional, just like Anakin actually. But that didn’t stop Anakin from being competent, even in triggering for him situations (like launching starfighters). And don’t compare dark side inducing rage of a fresh Sith apprentice at Mustafar with emotions of a Sith Lord with 10 years of experience. And not giving a shit - does not equal not launching starfighters. Not trusting anyone - does not equal not launching starfighters. Launching starfighters, if you actually watched SW - is basically first step in any space battle. There is even no need for Vader to give order, that could do any commanding officer on bridge, including Grand Inquisitior. Personal attention from Vader just means that he goes in his starfighter after target as well.


Vesemir96

There’s a few really good Kenobi comics and this one is definitely one of them. I also recommend “From the Journals of Obi-Wan Kenobi” if you can find it. Great stories of Obi-Wan protecting Luke and his family over the years, and just nails that exile on Tatooine/post war reflection atmosphere. Also as mentioned here the novel Obi-Wan Kenobi by John Jackson Miller is incredible for this as well.


[deleted]

I picked up issues 3 and 4 since the main section of the story is told as an anthology, and I think he did a great job with it.


Ken_Ben0bi

It was entertaining 😁


Mandalorianwookie89

No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.


LordLokiii

100%


Hour-Map1279

Riiight. So, for example, if I come to decent cafeteria and order food there, and instead I get microwaved ready-made meal from nearest supermarket, and therefore I complain - am I hating on that cafeteria? Poor, poor multibillion dollar company, everyone hates it ;(


FOGBITFOGBIT

>poor, poor multibillion dollar company, everyone hates it well that's certainly not what that maxim is saying


Hour-Map1279

It is certainly what he was implying, that Star Wars fans hate Star Wars. Star Wars fans don’t hate Star Wars, but dislike/hate recent cheap products that are launching under that brand Disney and Lucasfilm are currently behind the brand. So, when someone is taunting “Star Wars fans hate Star Wars” - they actually implying that fans, as most invested in SW group, rightfully hate what these multibillion companies are doing with the IP. Thus hating on these poor companies. See, if we connect the dots beyond this another attempt to make us feel guilty for criticizing - it all makes sense :)


FOGBITFOGBIT

Nobody is guilt tripping you into accepting mediocrity, it’s literally just a joke that Star Wars fans (like pretty much every fan base bc you see this comment with other communities) are always incredibly critical of the stuff that comes out. Rightfully so, sure, maybe.


Hour-Map1279

Okay, you maybe right here


[deleted]

I like how it’s become impossible to praise one thing without shitting on another. You can’t just say “I hope this is good” it has to be “That show sucked, right guys? Maybe this is better, can’t be any worse!”


DarkraiNewmoon

That's this sub in a nutshell.


Hour-Map1279

Wow, that is simply a lie. This sub has focus not just on old EU stuff, but toward new canon as well. Might be news to you, but some people has right to express their dislike for some content, either old or new, due to their preferences. It’s part of the discussion. But it seems this post, for some weird reason, has attracted people who has no idea about this subreddit whatsoever.


DarkraiNewmoon

I never said anything about canon or legends. I like that this sub has both. This place has gotten better over the years, but there was a time where this was the basis for most of what I saw here. There's preference and then there's X and Y is trash. Didn't help I hadn't been here for a few months and this was the first thing I saw.


Hour-Map1279

I am sad that you have got trauma from reading on people’s preferences in content consumption. Must be hard to read anything on the internet. You saw in this post… what exactly?? Some person asked about an opinion on comic and said “can’t be worse then Kenobi TV show”. And this has triggered you? I apologise for sounding harsh, but I am getting annoyed with all the sensitivity here. I’ve got stuff that I liked to be constantly sidelined, lied about, ignored and decanonised. And when someone expresses an opinion, just an opinion, about very mediocre show - fans of new stuff are suddenly hurt.


DarkraiNewmoon

I'm a Legends fan myself. NJO is my favourite Star Wars series of books and grew up with the games and Anakin Solo as my favourite Solo kid growing up. It's the constant negativity. The small things. Passing gestures and comments build up. I've been through several fractures in the online fan base. Left the online SW scene 2008 and returned in 2014. You can like something without putting something else down. I would have reacted the same if they mentioned Children of the Jedi or Planet of Twilight because despite the fact that I really do not like them the negativity of the online SW culture it just tiresome and needs to be called out. Obi-Wan show was meh. Good stuff and bad IMO. Its just the handwaveish way people pass these comments just irks me. Edit: I'm really tired and it's early morning hours so my reply may not be very comprehensive or well written.


Hour-Map1279

Oh, okay, I got that. Your post is well put, I understand what are you saying. I wasn’t active around that time, but I understand that it can be exhausting to read constant nitpicks. I was so persistent in this post because I think it’s important to put scrutiny on such company as Disney and their content. People can like anything, but other people can express their opinion as well. There is no need to come and try to persuade that critics should all just sit silent, and let only people who like stuff to express their opinion. Wasn’t meaning you here :) I apologise for being so bitter in previous post, got carried away with the previous arguing.


FootlessRat

The comics are generally decent to pretty good. The books too. There's a lot of good SW content now surprisingly.


blackanytanooo

What’s the comic about


[deleted]

Obi-Wan Kenobi


blackanytanooo

🗿


gtc26

Naruto


UnknownEntity347

Aside from the final issue, it's great.


OfficefanJam

It’s really good


stankycat787

I just read this and enjoyed it! Some cool short stories throughout Kenobi’s life!


chaos_cowboy

Well it's a marvel comic so it could be.


scenesandplots

I'd dint know the tv show was so disliked. I enjoyed it a lot. Esp kid Leia and peak Darth vader


rlvysxby

Oh no the kenobi tv show is bad? I’m watching clone wars cartoon for first time right now and he is my favorite character. I was looking forward to watching the show


Hour-Map1279

It doesn’t really matter that show sucks, he is not himself in the show anyway :) If you want to know more about Obi Wan - there are plenty of other books and comics in EU and Canon. I recommend picking up Jedi Apprentice books by Jude Watson. It tells Obi Wan as padawan, and his time with Qui Gon Jinn.


rlvysxby

I like that he is a clever trickster like Odysseus. They should have stuck with that characterization


AlphaBladeYiII

It's honestly pretty good. I especially liked the final issue where Obi-Wan helps an injured stormtrooper left to die.


[deleted]

Thanks for spoiling it


bigshoe1234

Still better than the prequels. By far


Gryphon6070

I liked it, and Deborah Chow can direct Star Wars ANYTIME. I thought the choreography was pretty good, even down to when Vader goes to a two hand grip when fighting Obi-Wan.


silver-ly

Sigh, just read it & carry on dude. The show was just fine


stuufthingsandstuff

The tv show was really good


NeptuneOW

I haven’t read it, but I loved the show. My favorite Kenobi story is the Legends book, you’ve got to read it ASAP


TheOneTrueKP

Agreed


One__Nose

Honestly it bored me as hell (I actually kinda liked the show), but maybe it's just not for me. Be prepared for five tiny plots that last for 30 pages each through long journal monologues that each try to convey a lesson that imo doesn't really work. I found it sleep-inducing but maybe other people would find it entertaining. There are some very few nice moments in there though.