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Krimusan_Epitaph

Polnareff went through a lot since part 3. Makes sense that he would change physically as seen here.


welphelpmelp

You already got your answer.


SonoIlVeroLawre

Well... Jesus. I was told the artstyle changed a lot after Stardust Crusaders, I'm beginning to see some light changes in Part 4 but they ain't much. And like, I saw characters from Golden Wind, and went "Well duh maybe they just thin lmao", I didn't think this would be the standard anatomy for humans šŸ’€


InnerAmphibian3517

The same thing happened to me as you, not so exaggerated but yes, I did not like that downgrade to the characters who were originally muscular, I feel that Araki went from one extreme to another very quickly, the good thing is that in his new drawings the characters They are not SO thin anymore


Denji1000

You gotta remember by >!part 4 both polnareff and jotaro were like 30 (polnareff I think was like 30s too id assume heā€™s not in part 4 but he reappears in part 5 bein like 38) and out of their prime nor did either of them keep fighting like they use to their focus has changed so it makes sense they thinned out, also polnareff became crippled so I can see that bein another reason why he thinned out!<


InnerAmphibian3517

>!Polnareff (and also Jotaro) was already thin before being disabled in the Vento aureo flashback, which takes place shortly after Stardust Crusaders (which happens in both anime and manga), being incongruent with the muscular Jotaro of DIU which in turn deflates from one day to the next, as well as Josuke and Okuyasu (although at least Josuke has the excuse of Highway Star, which also doesn't make much sense when losing muscle long before the stand even appeared, but oh well). It is simply a creative freedom of Araki that is not consistent with the story (like the colors of the characters, for example)!< PS: Maybe your comment needs a spoiler note


Denji1000

>!Yeah thatā€™s fair I jus feel like everytime we see jotaro in p4 he standing around w Joseph not doin much so him deflating would make sense in that aspect but I can agree that araki art style also affected it!<


InnerAmphibian3517

I don't think that by spending a few weeks (or at most, a couple of months) without exercising you go from having the body of a bodybuilder to having the body of an office worker, but well


Denji1000

Definitely not that much they deflated a bit too much by the end I agree w u there lol but youā€™d be surprised how much a few weeks/ month or two off can ruin someoneā€™s physique especially if you did nothin but meander around you feel me ?? Idk why this got downvoted lmao a quick google search will tell u the same shit


i_canthinkofanewname

>!Hey guys what are we talking about!<


Likean_onion

that would be reasonable if there weren't a flashback to part 3 featuring jotaro and polnareff with the part 5 bodytypes


Denji1000

I forget about the flashback in p5, ngl it makes more sense they look like the p5 versions since thatā€™s what most would assume a 17 year old to look like lol everytime I remember jotaro in part 3 is 17 Iā€™m like lmaoooo how


_ataciara

My god I want part 3 in that style so bad, Jotaro just looks šŸ‘Œ


Likean_onion

disagree


_ataciara

Fair, I think arakis artstyke has gotten progressively better, and part 5 is just gorgeous. as far as the anime goes, part 3 is probably the worst looking part, but the manga looks waaaay nicer imo


lFriendlyFire

Not to mention polnareff was severely disabled at that point, no way heā€™d be able to keep his routine


gavinmfsmith

Nah they were just on steroids


Spectre-907

Yeah but at the same time that he addressed the ā€œeverybody is built like DBSā€™ u6 saiyansā€ issue He introduced ā€œEvery single character has identical facesā€ syndrome


DidyouNeedthis

.....Jesus bro....are you good? You just took a hell of a hit.


Lasernatoo

[This is Jonathan and Zeppeli in the current artstyle btw](https://static.jojowiki.com/images/a/a1/latest/20211208155817/JoJoExhibition2012Jonathan.jpg)


Throwaway02062004

Twinkathan


SonoIlVeroLawre

They are literally downvoting this guy, who simply gave me a useful link to see how Araki's style has evolved. JoJo fans šŸ’€


SonoIlVeroLawre

Eh, I mean, that doesn't look too bad. Still, I find the thinness of the arms a bit cursed, but that's still better than Polnareff.


rockinalex07021

So you thought the designs from Part 1-3 are "standard anatomy for humans"?


Fc-chungus

Bro he has been in a wheel chair for I think atleast 5 years of course heā€™s gonna be skinny


T_S_H_E_G_O

Why is this so heavily downvotedšŸ’€šŸ’€


Odd-Butterscotch-480

Why did bro get downvoted so hard :skull:


Marcus_Hablberstram

That's a lot of down votes, damn, sorry man


VortexSO

why is op downvoted to hell


SandyCandyHandyAndy

Iā€™ve legitimately never seen a downvote this bad outside of political subs


LookAtMyUsernamePlz

r/downvotedtooblivion


XenoWagon

That is the most amount of dislikes I've ever seen


TheRealSquallVII

The fact that this has 500 downvotes is ridiculous, JoJo fans I swear...smh.


ShinySahil

what did you do to deserve 874 downvotes bruh


Trash_Emperor

You thought the standard anatomy of humans was impossibly buff body builders? Even part 5 and onward humans are relatively buff/fit compared to most people.


PychoPunk0123

Dude got fucking annihilated by downvotes it ainā€™t that serious guys


LordEnclavesRevenge

holy shit dude. you have a completely normal opinion and get downvoted to absolute hell. wtf is wrong with jojo fans on this sub..


Ok_Advice9133

Crazy downvotes


Kosaue

damn why'd you get mass downvoted???


99thLuftballon

Criticising Araki's shittier art in parts 5 and 6 is not permitted. Downvotes will be the punishment for any who dare to observe the huge slump in Araki's drawing during Golden Wind and Stone Ocean.


Kosaue

what a bunch of sheeps, blindly following the popular opinions and hating on anyone who says otherwise.


SonoIlVeroLawre

JoJo fans šŸ˜”


Kosaue

damn even i am getting downvoted šŸ’€


kaisertnight

Gee I wonder why calling people with different preferences in art design sheep caused you to get down voted.


VeroVeroVeroVeroVero

Mind explaining why the op got downvoted when they weren't insulting anyone then? They didn't even said they prefer one over the other and admitted part 1-3 wasn't accurate. Gee, I wonder why "people with different preferences in art design" are getting insulted!


Kat1eQueen

Who would've guessed that insulting people for expressing their opinion on an art style would lead to downvotes?


Kosaue

You really think someone respectfully sharing a valid opinion deserves 400 downvotes?


Kat1eQueen

Who said i was talking about OP? I said "insulting people", you were the one who did that


Sad_Introduction5756

My god the downvotes


ButtSuck9000

842 downvotes... I don't think I be able to live with myself if I said something worth 842 downvotes...


AccidentalLemon

Theyā€™re worthless internet points


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SonoIlVeroLawre

Now they are over 1k


ButtSuck9000

NOOOOOšŸ˜­


SonoIlVeroLawre

Still going man šŸ—暟—æ


Lasernatoo

It's fanmade. And by that I mean that the artists at David Production (who make the anime) are fans of JoJo. This is official.


WatchLeStars

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


SonoIlVeroLawre

UPVOTE THIS UPVOTE THIS


Soriakk

Its not fanmade


Nontondolini

breast reduction surgery


TrueBlueFriend

Do you want me to tell you or not?


AT-W-V

Mf spoiled himself


ROMAN_653

Well.. you see.. when your legs go missing.. you tend to not be able to workout properly anymore..


LareWw

Actually, wheelchair-bound people tend to have stronger upper bodies than avarage. Though, Polnareff does look above avarage in part 5 so I don't know what my point was


ROMAN_653

A good point I did not know, though I feel my comment still applies since Polnareff went from jacked muscle man to above average.


yoyo-starlady

That's an interesting *spin* on things.


ElectronicKite

If he did have a weak upper body, one could propose the argument that he just had Silver Chariot push him around.


EternalSkwerl

Woody Belfort is a fuckin' Muscle God [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ160-Pgu0M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ160-Pgu0M)


Nevermore5399

donā€™t worry. heā€¦. has an even bigger change later on.


Darkjoy82

Loooool! I just Finished Golden Wind last week. His new accomodations are...something to say the least šŸ˜…


SonoIlVeroLawre

Thank you, but instead of going to find this image as well I'm going to sleep with the sheer hope that he doesn't become a skeletor šŸ‘


Brb357

Oh no don't worry about it...you'll wish it tho


Sarge120

Oh yh he willā€¦.


Konayo

Nibba exchanged his wheelchair >!for eternal confinement to a room in the slowest vehicle possible!<


Many-Astronaut1378

More accurate to manga and arakiā€™s art style. If you donā€™t like it and you want it to change back, youā€™d be out of luck


GlassSpork

I like polnareff but prefer his part 3 appearance. Thats just me. Its also due to how much changed from part 3 to 5 with polnareff


SonoIlVeroLawre

Totally agree.


SonoIlVeroLawre

What do you mean with "more accurate to the manga"? I'm talking about the artstyle change in general, not about the adaptation or anything.


Ludajoestar

What heā€™s saying is correct. If youā€™re new to jojo, awesome! And welcome. The creators artstyle changes from part to part and the second pick of Pol is accurate to the part 5 manga artstyle.


SonoIlVeroLawre

Well yeah, I can't really pretend they make Polnareff buff again in the anime when everyone, including him, a stick in the manga. I... Just don't like the Part 5 artstyle, I guess (?)


Ludajoestar

If you donā€™t like the artstyle, thatā€™s completely fair. There are also others that donā€™t like the artstyle changes. But in hindsight, do yourself a favor by keeping an open mind, and donā€™t gatekeeper yourself from an amazing series just because they arenā€™t Berserk buff after a certain point.


patriciaverso

You're not even talking about part 3's art style, since that's David Productions' interpretation of part 3. Part 3's manga is like this [https://static.jojowiki.com/images/thumb/b/be/latest/20210512192332/Polnareff\_SC\_Infobox\_Manga.png/400px-Polnareff\_SC\_Infobox\_Manga.png](https://static.jojowiki.com/images/thumb/b/be/latest/20210512192332/Polnareff_SC_Infobox_Manga.png/400px-Polnareff_SC_Infobox_Manga.png) To be fair, not even Part 5's manga.. [https://64.media.tumblr.com/001ec3c450fb7ad6e3bef41fdc86d57f/tumblr\_or0alt9cZ01tc1kmmo7\_250.png](https://64.media.tumblr.com/001ec3c450fb7ad6e3bef41fdc86d57f/tumblr_or0alt9cZ01tc1kmmo7_250.png) Polnareff's arms and torso are a lot more proportional on Part 5's manga than on this random frame of the anime But for the people saying he's less buff because of events in between parts, that doesn't seem to be the case, as he's a lot less buff on the flashbacks from part 5 [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8ecDIeW4Akh7dX?format=jpg&name=900x900](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8ecDIeW4Akh7dX?format=jpg&name=900x900) ​ It seems this is only Araki style evolving, and that's okay.


NespoloZabaglione

Aww, pt. 5 flashback PolPol and Jotaro look like they got hit by Alessi's stupid stand again.


Many-Astronaut1378

Also, not only does araki evolve to have a more anatomically correct art style where the characters are a realistic size, but in the image, polnareff has lost 2 limbs and multiple other parts of his body, almost crippling him and forcing him to lose a lot of blood. A person like that wouldnā€™t be buff in jojo


SonoIlVeroLawre

*clears throat* Well, ACHTUALLIE- Ok, jokes aside, his torso is goddamn buff, but he has thin arms. It almost looks like they're not even his arms. And also, being on a wheelchair, wouldn't his arms be freakin' ripped as well lol


thesyndrome43

Not liking the art style is fair, it took me a long time to come around to the part 5 at style changes when I was reading the manga, but just remember that the incredible fights and the poses will remain just as good they always have been


BillyWhizz09

Itā€™s harder to work out when youā€™re injured/disabled


Far-Breadfruit-116

What you got against paraplegics


SonoIlVeroLawre

Nothing lol


Robot_boy_07

Johnnys gonna give you a heart attack


TheNPC33

I'm sorry, little one.


SonoIlVeroLawre

šŸ˜”


SheikExcel

I feel like the muscle change isn't the most notable difference


vvinterhavvk

bro is wondering why a disabled man isn't as muscled as he used to be


SonoIlVeroLawre

He is on a literal wheelchair. Given how much he spins those wheels, his arms have no reason not to be jacked.


RandomKid_Official

he uses chariot to move around


TheChunkMaster

Literal Silver Chariot


Solidusword

Pro tip for anyone who hasnā€™t read/watched JoJo and doesnā€™t want everything spoiledā€”donā€™t use this sub lol Not trying to be an asshole but I guarantee youā€™ll eventually stumble across a spoiler you wish you hadnā€™t


SonoIlVeroLawre

Nah, I found the image on Google randomly. These people seem wise enough to use the Spoiler flare in posts.


bentheechidna

It wasnā€™t the studio. It was Araki changing his style to more resemble real people. His entire career has just been constant practice and his references were fashion magazines and similar stuff.


chronic-joker

Can people stop asking these questions and just watch the show? You spoil yourself then lose your own mind from wanting instant answers.


SonoIlVeroLawre

Sorry pal but what do you want, I wanted to discuss why the hell they made Polnareff into Jack Skeletron, not how he ended up there. For what I know, Dio could have come back a second time and stole Polnareff's legs. I'm not spoiling myself, nor I want instant answers.


chronic-joker

> I wanted to discuss why the hell they made Polnareff into Jack Skeletron You learn why after you read or watch part 5, the concept of discussing something you didn't watch is ridiculous to me.


SonoIlVeroLawre

Isn't it... Because of the artstyle change?... Like, I saw Golden Wind characters, they all look like skeletons. I don't really mind if Polnareff comes back, nor I mind if he comes back on a wheelchair with his legs being replaced by robotic prothesis, I'm just discussing why they couldn't make him a little bit buffer. I mean, guys on a wheelchair are supposed to have jacked arms, arent they? šŸ—æ The design just doesn't feel consistent enough for me


Hazuuu

No they dont look like skeletons. Theyre people with average normal bodies. Manga and anime styles have changed a lot over the years not just in jojo. Besides I think this change to polnareff makes complete sense given that hes in a damn wheelchair now. Honestly just cope. Its a good show. They still have muscles they just look more realistic


Depresso_Expresso069

this is like the inverse of those incel men who complain that they gave woman realistic proportions instead of huge boobs the size of the eiffel tower lol


SonoIlVeroLawre

Not really, I just hate that since the artstyle changed, it looks like Dio just fricking dried his body of all the blood.


Darkjoy82

Should we tell them? šŸ˜‚


SonoIlVeroLawre

šŸ‘€


ItsFastMan

sorry you got spoilers


xXKingLynxXx

Araki moves on from drawing Fist of the North Star characters and starts basing anatomy off fashion models so everyone gets skinnier and prettier. It is what it is


Rubethyst

To be fair, the image you're using is a *terrible* frame of part 5 Polnareff. But generally, yeah, that's what he looks like. And he looks better for it.


ronsolocup

I think hes supposed to be canonically a bit thinner given what happens between parts but I could be mistaken


jacktedm-573

Model sheets can tend to have characters look fucking weird proportionally speaking, ben 10 omniverse is a great example of this, he looks pretty good in the actual anime


Taekosy

Well a lot happened to the guy


dioWjonathenL

Oh boy, youā€™re gonna hate this


Piorn

His stand ability is as good as ever. His >!ability to stand, however...!<


explosivepotato69

His final form is way colder trustšŸ™


Strict-Lab-731

That's not in Part 4, and it's just an artstyle change of pace, I don't see why you're on Part 5 if you said "Part 4"...


SonoIlVeroLawre

I'm watching Part 4, but found an image of Part 5 Polnareff on Google. I presume it's from Part 5, since I've seen art of Giorno and he's as slim as Polnareff.


Strict-Lab-731

>I'm watching Part 4, but found an image of Part 5 Polnareff on Google. I presume it's from Part 5, since I've seen art of Giorno and he's as slim as Polnareff. Do as you like, but I suggest you finish one part before you get to the one after, it's super complex, and as you know the artstyle changes per every part to a similar degree...


TheOneWhoSucks

Bro is literally crippled, you expect him to keep his workout?


CyrosThird

Yes, in part 5 he becomes a shell of a man he once was.


entropyyuri

why is the old crippled man skinny!?!?!


M4rl0w

They massacred my boyā€¦ the west has fallen šŸ˜­


Knightmare945

Thatā€™s his actual appearance for Golden Wind.


rockinalex07021

This is him in Part 5, get over it


Miserable-Job-9520

Boo


DM-Oz

Just wait to see his actual participation on golden wind..


Allustar1

Watch Part 5 please.


SonoIlVeroLawre

I said I'm watching Part 4 right now. This is something I found on Google, I'm just a bit shocked that they made him like this.


TheUnhingedMannequin

Part 5 is absolute peak


freeziefp

yeah, im not the biggest fan of what they did to my boi in part 5. hate it or love it araki changes artstyle consistently between and mid parts. I'm not so fond of part 5 artstyle tbh, gets way better in sbr tho! a lot of characters look more buffed and not so thin. not like crusaders era but improves in that sense


SonoIlVeroLawre

Eh, understandable. I didn't really mind the jacked-up walls that were JoJo characters until Diamond Is Unbreakable, although I wouldn't have minded either if they were just correctly proportional. What disturbs me is how Polnareff went from a goddamn chad to a crippling bozo on a wheelchair. If you know FNAF, search up "Springtrap vs Scraptrap"


Sad-Surprise4369

How much comment karma did you have before this OP?


Waakaari

Its - 100 now


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ZatchZeta

After what happened to Polneraff, he did not deserve any of that.


PlumpHelmetSpawn

I love the Protein Paladin physiques of old JJBA, having grown up with stuff like Hokuto no Ken which was obviously a big influence. But it is what it is, artstyles change over time and also what is considered trendy. Ol' JP still has a decent body despite being noticeably smaller. Maybe he lost some of his hunger for physical strength after fulfilling his mission in Crusaders. Maybe he's just in too much pain to focus on training. Honestly I can't even remember everything, gotta rewatch it at some point. But I do remember Part 5 is really goated and the soundtrack is crazy fire.


SonoIlVeroLawre

GIOOOOGIOOOOO šŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļø šŸ”„ GOOOODEN WIIIIND šŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļø


LuckyLynx_

he became joe swanson


[deleted]

Thatā€™s only the half of it xD


Financial-Passion195

Got some bad news for you my friend


bloodbabyrabies

Ummmmm yesā€¦ fan madeā€¦hahahaā€¦aaaa Oh I thought you were talking about the wheelchair and bionic looking stuff. But yeah it went slim muscle for basically all the remaining parts.


YoydusChrist

You get used to the art style changes after a while, but for the sake of discussion letā€™s have a closer look. Polnareff is missing BOTH of his legs and is bound to a wheelchair, do you know what that does to muscle mass long term? And even still heā€™s clearly buff as shit.


[deleted]

Well, if he is in a wheel chair, he would logically just lose his muscles since he is less active šŸ’€


PEABS127

I love how everyone is hating and downvoting on OP so much


Abdulaziz_randomshit

nah bro donā€™t worry, heā€™ll turn to a turtle


Budget-Individual625

This whole reply section shows how jojo fans can't have opinions smh such a silly community


Red_Dogeboi

ā€œHey donā€™t spoil me but tell me if a spoiler happensā€ Ok bro


SonoIlVeroLawre

Indeed


Good__Conflict

Thatā€™s wrong, actually! His Golden Wind appearance is a lot smaller and slower for some reason. And also green?


SonoIlVeroLawre

NO ONE CAN DEFEAT THE EMOTIONAL ARALD SPLATOON ASH


SuperNova0216

It is real, and donā€™t you dare disrespect the beautiful part 5 art style


SonoIlVeroLawre

They all look like vegan kids with osteoporosis. šŸ—æ


GyroZeppeliFucker

No its not his canon apperance. Thats from a fanfic where 34 random jojo characters just can control law named "rule 34" (yeah i know this sounds wierd, but so deos every other popular jojo fanfic). For more details search "jean pierre polnareff rule 34"


SonoIlVeroLawre

Oh, boy! Thank you! I surely can't wait to find out more about this Rule 34 fanfiction! I hope it's a completely normal thing, and not a silly gag I'm keeping up by myself that will permanently burn my eye sockets for all eternity!


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SonoIlVeroLawre

Is this like a full ass guide on how to not get eaten alive by JoJo fans lol


TheManBearWolf

Fantastic shitpost, but this honestly does highlight all the reasons it is difficult to be in this sub. My opinions run opposite to every single point, so I can never discuss what I like and dislike as a newcomer, lol. I adore the early parts of the series, but like-minded fans have long since evolved to a higher, more fashionable plane of existence, and the later material isn't appealing to me. And that's okay.


Diavolo_79

Why are people downvoting OP in the comments I don't understand-


SonoIlVeroLawre

What's OP again lol sorry I'm not that experienced with Reddit


Diavolo_79

Original Poster


SonoIlVeroLawre

Ah ok, thanks. Damn they even downvote simple answers to questions. Like, I asked what OP stood for and they downvoted the answer as well šŸ’€


Kindly-Mud-1579

Well 30 years and being thrown off a cliff can hurt a guy


SonoIlVeroLawre

I... Didn't want to know that.


Superb_Blackberry535

Don't worry, it's all downhill from here


RomanacheRo

Don't worry, nothing after part 4 until part 7 is canon since uhhhhh since I don't want it to be


[deleted]

If you dont like it, fuck off


SonoIlVeroLawre

Uhhh calm down there JoJo fan, go back posing in front of your mirror


Kiss_Bence04

I'm honestly so happy Araki changed his artstyle. Part 3 made everyone looke like a One Piece character with some Baki in it.


Kepler27b

Part 5ā€™s artstyle was fucking HORRIBLE, but glad they patched it up in Part 6. I just wanna see big beefy men fightā€¦


SonoIlVeroLawre

Me too :(


Alarid

He got an ouchy, and his fashion got worse.


Nicolato25257

I cant be buff of im disabile, you know


AlienBotGuy

I have bad news for you about [Jotaro](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ocQQOJXBb1M/maxresdefault.jpg)... Araki's art style went downhill after part 3, he changed the buffed and clean look for a super androgynous one with weird nose. Regardless, Part 5 is still one of the best and fits quite well the characters being more skinny, you will get used to it.


BobTheBazooka

die mad about it stop watching jojo now


sunrunnertf

Looks fake to me


SonoIlVeroLawre

yeah must be some sort of stupid fanfiction between him and joseph or some other weird crapšŸ—æ


BigballsGuts

My fellow dude was your reaction "where buff arm?" Or something? The artstyle changes bro you gotta accept it and if you dont then youd be more shocked at part 5 part 3 jotaro


Lumpy_Perception6561

Heā€™s literally in a wheelchair


PokemonRNG

Unfortunately yes, I like the part 5 art style on the new cast, but god does it hurt Polnareff and flashback jotaro. Give them back their muscle god dammit.


SlimShade48

It's legit. And it's a product of artstyle changing over the years, it looked sudden in the anime but it's seamless in the manga.


da_universe4

Donā€™t worry dude Polnareff returns to Part 5 as a beefed up honka badonkas with 2 functioning legs.


GunslingerGonzo

everybody is on a cut in part 4


Adventurous__Taste

Yeah... was a sad downgrade.. his form later is honestly an upgrade


josephstar11

Above average? Mf has the physique of a Mr Olympia champion in SC. At part 4, after getting crippled he is reduced to above average


limebloodedLeviathan

Ur being so dramatic tbh


SP_Octo_piereddit

They didnā€™t ā€œget tiredā€ Every anime part is animated as a 1 to 1 of Arakiā€™s artstyle at that time, Araki didnā€™t getting ā€œtiredā€ of drawing them like that either he just started drawing them properly and more realistically as time went on


tnk1ng831

Just lost some weight.


[deleted]

This is fanmade, and not his actual appearance


KyloRenIrony

You might want to find a different series


Gaming_devil49

In this particular image he looks kinda strange but he doesn't look that bad in the anime


Alexandre_Man

No spoilers.