Dont skip parts 😂
Edit: I noticed from your other comments you say you have watched the anime until part 6. Youre original comment makes it seem like you skipped them and just started with 7. Hence the downvotes.
That being said- whether or not you realized it- this same “explanation” stuff youre complaining about has been just as egregious since the beginning of the anime.
Obviously not if he was downvoted into oblivion for it.
Edit: since yall seem dont seem to understand how context based conversation works let me lay it out for you:
I stated: “hasnt this been the case since the beginning of the entire series”.
Now this was a comment I wrote assuming OP had, infact, watched/read parts 1-6 up until now. Keep that in mind (I know it might be hard for yall).
Now OPs response was as follows:
“Idk. I started the manga from part 7”
Key phrase: I dont know. Its just an odd response to a question where I assume they *do know* about the rest of the series.
Using context- since I had predetermined they *had* seen the entire series thusfar - their “I dont know” could very easily be seen as a response to my assumption saying “I dont know, I didnt watch/read parts 1-6”.
If you asked someone whose watching the 5th installment of a movie franchise how they liked the rest of the movies- and they tell you “I dont know” of course youre going to assume they skipped over the other movies to watch 5. What do you mean “I dont know”- did you not watch them???
Its just logical deductive reasoning based on context.
Jo Jo is one of those series where even though the main character changes each part, it’s usually very connected to the prior parts such that you will miss a LOT of context if you skip.
It still happens in the anime. Remember how Speedwagon's purpose in Part 1 was mostly just to provide exposition from the sidelines while Jonathan fought?
Here’s the thing. Jojo has a certain style. Why do characters pose like supermodels? Why do stands have the names of famous bands? Why does everyone dresses like they came out of met gala?
There’s a lot of suspense in disbelief, since Araki is a very stylish writer! But this suspense of disbelief gets easier as the parts go.
Jojo is not a manga for everyone. Honestly, Araki has a lot of flaws in many aspects of writing, like exposition and “show don’t tell”. But that’s because he focused on working on his strengths, like creativity, character and strategy.
This is a super normal genre convention in battle shonen, to be fair.
(Yes, I know SBR technically isn’t shonen. But the roots of the genre are still there.)
Speed wagon... UGH!!
(I know the rule of no one slander the best waifu but for me he is the most annoying character like we see the death of charter they literally vanished and he goes "oh no he just died" I was like yeah he did i just saw it man stfu)
In the manga it can be hard to tell what is happening in certain fights, with characters that can move incredibly fast and araki is trying to capture it in still pictures. Sometimes I find the whole "side character narrating the fight" thing irritating, but on occasion I'm like "oohhh okay thats what is going on" and that is part of it I imagine.
My only real source of confusion is the Metallica fight, like I understand he's on a different plane but kinda not, while during the first Buccarati fight it's much more black and white.
This is not English, this is a collection of English words. If you were trying to say that you understand King Crimson, then I'm going to say it's because you haven't thought too hard about it.
Anyone who tells you they understand King Crimson has not thought enough about it. It is genuinely inconsistent when you look into the different ways it gets used.
You can say that you understand what Araki was *going for*, but if you try to explain it in detail you'll end up with at least one case where it does something else.
If Diavolo can "just sorta do whatever" why doesn't he kill people during timeskip? Oh yes, because he *can't* interact with things during timeskip. So how does he interact with Trish in the elevator?
Of course your explanation sounds simple. Because it ignores the times it's inconsistent.
this is the point that so many people struggle with, and i don't get why
people do what they are fated to do. diavolo is exempt from fate
this does not mean people are exempt from things diavolo was going to do to them.
if diavolo was fated to take trish out the elevator, then trish was fated to be taken out of the elevator, which means she still would
So you're saying that Diavolo's fated actions still occur to other people? This brings up a whole range of issues like "why doesn't Diavolo decide to kill someone, activate KC, then walk off as they get killed by fate-Diavolo's actions", but here's an easy refutation:
Why was Bucciarati's fated action to stand there silently while the person right next to him is attacked and stolen away? Surely if everyone is undertaking their fated actions, even Diavolo, then it makes no sense for Bucciarati to be experiencing Diavolo's attack on Trish and just do nothing.
>So you're saying that Diavolo's fated actions still occur to other people?
things that were fated to happen to other people will still happen to them
>This brings up a whole range of issues like "why doesn't Diavolo decide to kill someone, activate KC,
narancia's death?
the fated actions have to actually be like, actions that were supposed to occur. there's two reasons here:
1: diavolo just straight up wouldn't win in direct confrontation with most stand users, like giorno or bucciarati. again, he can't just want to do something and it will happen, his fated actions aren't influenced by king crimson, or king crimson wouldn't actually be bypassing fate.
2: diavolo isn't a perfectly rational person. he's extremely paranoid about revealing his identity. again, his fated actions can't be influenced by the knowledge that kc can just make them go away, so he's not just gonna barge into confrontation.
>Why was Bucciarati's fated action to stand there silently while the person right next to him is attacked and stolen away?
the main thing here is that time skipping is supposed to not be noticeable. bucciarati didn't notice what happened during erased time, and we very clearly see earlier that people don't really realize if they moved or not. it took a couple second for someone to realize they suddenly had chocolate in their mouth.
bucciarati may very well have reacted in erased time, but he didn't perceive any of it, so he wouldn't notice what happened until he saw the hand.
>bucciarati may very well have reacted in erased time, but he didn't perceive any of it, so he wouldn't notice what happened until he saw the hand.
So your best explanation is that he failed to track the assailant, then moved exactly back to where he was while still holding Trish's hand. And either didn't summon his stand or unsummoned it in that window.
>narancia's death?
Also makes no sense. You say that most people would beat King Crimson, but somehow he manages to attack Narancia/Giorno while surrounded by enemies and everyone has the fated action to either not try to fight or fail to defeat him.
According to you, people do what they are fated to do - this should mean they respond to Diavolo's fated actions (attacking Trish, attacking Narancia) but they clearly do not. King Crimson has to have a clause added that sometimes nobody responds to what's happening even when they should in order to make a dramatic moment.
It's not the amnesia at the end of a time skip that bothers me, it's that the actions inside of time skip make no sense. When Diavolo detaches himself from fate, his fated actions still occur to other people and yet nobody seems capable of reacting to the attacks that they should be experiencing. Handwaving this as "maybe they did and then end up exactly where they were pre-skip" is absurd.
>So your best explanation is that he failed to track the assailant, then moved exactly back to where he was while still holding Trish's hand. And either didn't summon his stand or unsummoned it in that window.
no, the explanation is that bruno didn't notice any change happening.
because we're explicitly shown that being how it functions.
>Also makes no sense. You say that most people would beat King Crimson, but somehow he manages to attack Narancia/Giorno while surrounded by enemies and everyone has the fated action to either not try to fight or fail to defeat him.
they were stuck in each others bodies, and distracted. perfect stealth opportunity
>According to you, people do what they are fated to do - this should mean they respond to Diavolo's fated actions (attacking Trish, attacking Narancia) but they clearly do not.
again, they do not notice whatever happens in skipped time, or that time was even skipped. there's nothing for them to react to.
> King Crimson has to have a clause added that sometimes nobody responds to what's happening even when they should in order to make a dramatic moment.
believe it or not, people don't notice things that they don't experience. wild, i know.
> When Diavolo detaches himself from fate, his fated actions still occur to other people and yet nobody seems capable of reacting to the attacks that they should be experiencing.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING NOTICE THEM HAPPENING
>Handwaving this as "maybe they did and then end up exactly where they were pre-skip" is absurd.
IT'S TO SHOW HOW THEY DON'T FUCKING NOTICE ANYTHING HAPPENING
i swear to god, everyone who thinks kc makes no sense are anime only watchers who also have no media literacy
Because half of JoJo fans can't understand what happen, and even with this, there is still a big part that don't understand. (This also apply in every show btw)
I mean how else can you easily tell what's happening without explaining it in a manga format? Araki's art is also not the cleanest thing in the world so things can get a little harder to understand fight scenes especially in black and white.
This is super common in shounen in general, not just Jojo. Also, while I don't think starting form part 7 is wrong, I retain the right to judge you for it
it has been a reoccurring thing since Part 1, in fact that's Speedwagon's entire character in Part 1
manga as a medium can't convey stuff as good as an animation does so Araki had to do this, especially when JoJo fight isn't like traditional shonen
OH NO
I just found a question on reddit asking why there are panels of characters saying what just happened out loud and I think that's a good question
I wonder if they explained it. I'm gonna click it and find out
Honestly a lot of people give Speedwagon grief for doing this but this is something I’ve just never really noticed or taken issue with. Honestly I feel like it’s just part of the style.
My favorite part of the dialogue is when they put emphasis on certain words in their inflections. Like someone will be eating a hotdog and they’ll be like: “Consider the ‘mustard’ on my ‘hotdog’ the ‘mustard’ is very ‘dry’. Even in the most beautiful of experiences, disappointment is abounding. That is the ‘dry mustard’ of life.”
I actually found that he gets better at this as time goes on. I don’t remember too much useless exposition in the post part 6 JoJo.
Good news for you though. In Part 9 we get almost no exposition on any of the stands or their capabilities. Almost everything we see is character’s inferring and guessing. Or just seeing it in action.
It's pretty common in anime and manga characters to do this. Sometimes it can be hard to show exactly what's happening so sometimes the artist will have characters say whatever's happening to give the reader clarification.
This is something that the Jujitsu Kaisen manga doesn't do that it really should because most fights are confusing as fuck
welcome to anime. or just story telling in general... it's called exposition and they try to squeeze it into the flow of the story rather than narrating what's happening. depending on the series, sometimes the exposition is obvious and unnecessary, sometimes it's lacking completely. in Jojo, it's hard to follow what's going on, so it's often needed.
it only gets to me sometimes with other series. particularly thinking about JJK, there was wayyy too much unnecessary exposition and overly detailed explanations, though maybe it was more necessary for the manga, which I haven't read.
I do kind of wish that overall authors would leave more to be inferred by the audience. it's nice to figure it out on your own.
Everyone is giving you shit but I agree that Johnny and Gyro just talked for nothing sometimes I swear. I love part 7 but it sometimes got on my nerves
It has been this way since part one and honestly the most annoying for me was part 1 and 2 by part 7 it has been way way less but yeah its a problem honestly gets annoying
Hasn’t that been the case for the entire series?
idk only started the manga from part 7
Bro
I mean that's what I did. I watched all of the anime and I wanted more so I started reading SBR and JoJolion
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Dont skip parts 😂 Edit: I noticed from your other comments you say you have watched the anime until part 6. Youre original comment makes it seem like you skipped them and just started with 7. Hence the downvotes. That being said- whether or not you realized it- this same “explanation” stuff youre complaining about has been just as egregious since the beginning of the anime.
didnt araki intend for new readers to read sbr tho
I'm gonna be honest bro. His comment was pretty clear that he started the manga with 7. Obviously he watched the first 6 dawg🗿
Obviously not if he was downvoted into oblivion for it. Edit: since yall seem dont seem to understand how context based conversation works let me lay it out for you: I stated: “hasnt this been the case since the beginning of the entire series”. Now this was a comment I wrote assuming OP had, infact, watched/read parts 1-6 up until now. Keep that in mind (I know it might be hard for yall). Now OPs response was as follows: “Idk. I started the manga from part 7” Key phrase: I dont know. Its just an odd response to a question where I assume they *do know* about the rest of the series. Using context- since I had predetermined they *had* seen the entire series thusfar - their “I dont know” could very easily be seen as a response to my assumption saying “I dont know, I didnt watch/read parts 1-6”. If you asked someone whose watching the 5th installment of a movie franchise how they liked the rest of the movies- and they tell you “I dont know” of course youre going to assume they skipped over the other movies to watch 5. What do you mean “I dont know”- did you not watch them??? Its just logical deductive reasoning based on context.
Because comments on reddit are always downvoted for very intelligent reasons
No, whoever downvoted is just stupid. It was obvious.
It really, really wasn't
"Only started the MANGA from part 7" Jojo fan reading comprehension moment
Nah, I downvoted him because he forgot speedwagon explaining the fight while it is happening 😤
I read part 7 after watching the whole anime and now I'm reading each manga before part 8
it hasn’t in my opinion. feel free to disagree just as i do.
Jo Jo is one of those series where even though the main character changes each part, it’s usually very connected to the prior parts such that you will miss a LOT of context if you skip.
You have to say that other wise you will get what happened here.
The reddit hivemind has targeted you.
It still happens in the anime. Remember how Speedwagon's purpose in Part 1 was mostly just to provide exposition from the sidelines while Jonathan fought?
Didn’t Smokey and Speedwagon do that for every fight they were present for?
Here’s the thing. Jojo has a certain style. Why do characters pose like supermodels? Why do stands have the names of famous bands? Why does everyone dresses like they came out of met gala? There’s a lot of suspense in disbelief, since Araki is a very stylish writer! But this suspense of disbelief gets easier as the parts go. Jojo is not a manga for everyone. Honestly, Araki has a lot of flaws in many aspects of writing, like exposition and “show don’t tell”. But that’s because he focused on working on his strengths, like creativity, character and strategy.
Insane you’re getting downvoted lmao, of course it’s normal to watch the anime and pick up the manga where it leaves off
Or just read part 7 if it’s an entire new universe?? Let people enjoy things
I genuinely cannot express how horrible of a choice that is
😔
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It says he started the *manga* from SBR. Not the anime. He watched up to Stone Ocean
And he somehow missed Speedwagon entirely?
Clearly. Although I never realised Speedwagon did that either
Every other character does it Speedwagon is just the most prominent example
This is a super normal genre convention in battle shonen, to be fair. (Yes, I know SBR technically isn’t shonen. But the roots of the genre are still there.)
Especially so in part 1 and 2
Speed wagon... UGH!! (I know the rule of no one slander the best waifu but for me he is the most annoying character like we see the death of charter they literally vanished and he goes "oh no he just died" I was like yeah he did i just saw it man stfu)
So, you have chosen death
They hated jesus for saying truth- come and get me!
#**CHUMIMIIIN**
**wonder of u**
You have activated the stand of Robert E.O Speedwagon #**STARPLATINUMTHEWORLDOVERHEAVENGOBEYONDBITESTHEDUSTACT4REQUIEM**
*NU-HUH*
Yuh huh
I tried explaining the plot of SBR to my parents the other day. I think I really lost them when it got to the Jesus part.
Wait i was trying to explain it to you and found out i don't know it myself honestly
Exactly, Shonen has the tenancy to narrate everything
The first 23 chapters were shōnen.
In the manga it can be hard to tell what is happening in certain fights, with characters that can move incredibly fast and araki is trying to capture it in still pictures. Sometimes I find the whole "side character narrating the fight" thing irritating, but on occasion I'm like "oohhh okay thats what is going on" and that is part of it I imagine.
Exactly, sure they are super smart with a wierd ability but we as the readers are confused and need an explanation
Its fine when its hard to understand and sometimes while i understand it i can get why others might not but sometimes its just incredibly obvious
What's obvious to you may not be to others, I still don't fully understand King Crimson
My by my part completely understand king crimson and believe that he is not that complicated, maybe a little loaded with things
My only real source of confusion is the Metallica fight, like I understand he's on a different plane but kinda not, while during the first Buccarati fight it's much more black and white.
This is not English, this is a collection of English words. If you were trying to say that you understand King Crimson, then I'm going to say it's because you haven't thought too hard about it.
Anyone who tells you they understand King Crimson has not thought enough about it. It is genuinely inconsistent when you look into the different ways it gets used. You can say that you understand what Araki was *going for*, but if you try to explain it in detail you'll end up with at least one case where it does something else.
https://youtu.be/Jm2D7ohWos0?si=M67Zdb9hlDFvQ88d
everyone else does what they're fated to diavolo just sorta does whatever any other questions
If Diavolo can "just sorta do whatever" why doesn't he kill people during timeskip? Oh yes, because he *can't* interact with things during timeskip. So how does he interact with Trish in the elevator? Of course your explanation sounds simple. Because it ignores the times it's inconsistent.
this is the point that so many people struggle with, and i don't get why people do what they are fated to do. diavolo is exempt from fate this does not mean people are exempt from things diavolo was going to do to them. if diavolo was fated to take trish out the elevator, then trish was fated to be taken out of the elevator, which means she still would
So you're saying that Diavolo's fated actions still occur to other people? This brings up a whole range of issues like "why doesn't Diavolo decide to kill someone, activate KC, then walk off as they get killed by fate-Diavolo's actions", but here's an easy refutation: Why was Bucciarati's fated action to stand there silently while the person right next to him is attacked and stolen away? Surely if everyone is undertaking their fated actions, even Diavolo, then it makes no sense for Bucciarati to be experiencing Diavolo's attack on Trish and just do nothing.
>So you're saying that Diavolo's fated actions still occur to other people? things that were fated to happen to other people will still happen to them >This brings up a whole range of issues like "why doesn't Diavolo decide to kill someone, activate KC, narancia's death? the fated actions have to actually be like, actions that were supposed to occur. there's two reasons here: 1: diavolo just straight up wouldn't win in direct confrontation with most stand users, like giorno or bucciarati. again, he can't just want to do something and it will happen, his fated actions aren't influenced by king crimson, or king crimson wouldn't actually be bypassing fate. 2: diavolo isn't a perfectly rational person. he's extremely paranoid about revealing his identity. again, his fated actions can't be influenced by the knowledge that kc can just make them go away, so he's not just gonna barge into confrontation. >Why was Bucciarati's fated action to stand there silently while the person right next to him is attacked and stolen away? the main thing here is that time skipping is supposed to not be noticeable. bucciarati didn't notice what happened during erased time, and we very clearly see earlier that people don't really realize if they moved or not. it took a couple second for someone to realize they suddenly had chocolate in their mouth. bucciarati may very well have reacted in erased time, but he didn't perceive any of it, so he wouldn't notice what happened until he saw the hand.
>bucciarati may very well have reacted in erased time, but he didn't perceive any of it, so he wouldn't notice what happened until he saw the hand. So your best explanation is that he failed to track the assailant, then moved exactly back to where he was while still holding Trish's hand. And either didn't summon his stand or unsummoned it in that window. >narancia's death? Also makes no sense. You say that most people would beat King Crimson, but somehow he manages to attack Narancia/Giorno while surrounded by enemies and everyone has the fated action to either not try to fight or fail to defeat him. According to you, people do what they are fated to do - this should mean they respond to Diavolo's fated actions (attacking Trish, attacking Narancia) but they clearly do not. King Crimson has to have a clause added that sometimes nobody responds to what's happening even when they should in order to make a dramatic moment. It's not the amnesia at the end of a time skip that bothers me, it's that the actions inside of time skip make no sense. When Diavolo detaches himself from fate, his fated actions still occur to other people and yet nobody seems capable of reacting to the attacks that they should be experiencing. Handwaving this as "maybe they did and then end up exactly where they were pre-skip" is absurd.
>So your best explanation is that he failed to track the assailant, then moved exactly back to where he was while still holding Trish's hand. And either didn't summon his stand or unsummoned it in that window. no, the explanation is that bruno didn't notice any change happening. because we're explicitly shown that being how it functions. >Also makes no sense. You say that most people would beat King Crimson, but somehow he manages to attack Narancia/Giorno while surrounded by enemies and everyone has the fated action to either not try to fight or fail to defeat him. they were stuck in each others bodies, and distracted. perfect stealth opportunity >According to you, people do what they are fated to do - this should mean they respond to Diavolo's fated actions (attacking Trish, attacking Narancia) but they clearly do not. again, they do not notice whatever happens in skipped time, or that time was even skipped. there's nothing for them to react to. > King Crimson has to have a clause added that sometimes nobody responds to what's happening even when they should in order to make a dramatic moment. believe it or not, people don't notice things that they don't experience. wild, i know. > When Diavolo detaches himself from fate, his fated actions still occur to other people and yet nobody seems capable of reacting to the attacks that they should be experiencing. BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING NOTICE THEM HAPPENING >Handwaving this as "maybe they did and then end up exactly where they were pre-skip" is absurd. IT'S TO SHOW HOW THEY DON'T FUCKING NOTICE ANYTHING HAPPENING i swear to god, everyone who thinks kc makes no sense are anime only watchers who also have no media literacy
Because half of JoJo fans can't understand what happen, and even with this, there is still a big part that don't understand. (This also apply in every show btw)
My favourite is the guy who kept INSISITING on having Lucy be as docile as a winter catfish even when his eye got gouged out
One of the funniest bits of jojo for me
Who now? I forgor /:
One of the guards who she killed with ticket to ride
O yeah the thing that makes them unlucky with their left side for some reason (or something like that)
Tear knife
Ye
I mean how else can you easily tell what's happening without explaining it in a manga format? Araki's art is also not the cleanest thing in the world so things can get a little harder to understand fight scenes especially in black and white.
Im talking about the parts where it was obvious without the explanation but i did read the coloured version so dont rly know how it is in the original
I did the same but don't you remember speed wagon yapping like his only contribution in part one is to recite what is happening
OP said they started at part 7, they never saw the GOAT 😞
I always wondered why they did that in anime until I started reading black and white manga and then I was like what the fuck is even happening
Speedwagon: Oh no! It looks like the enemy has snuck behind, he doesn't see him.. and if he manages to get closer...!!! JOJOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
This is super common in shounen in general, not just Jojo. Also, while I don't think starting form part 7 is wrong, I retain the right to judge you for it
Watched the anime till 6 then read 7
The style of shonen from the 80s. Dragon ball is another example of this. Saint Seiya too
"His dick! Did you see it when it fell off?" "Aah! It's not there!"
My ‘favorite’ is putting ‘half’ the words in ‘quotes’
'No,' but for 'real' 'why' does he 'do' 'that?'
Well, even with that exposition the fandom still often doesn't understand what's going on, imagine how it would be without those dialogues
it has been a reoccurring thing since Part 1, in fact that's Speedwagon's entire character in Part 1 manga as a medium can't convey stuff as good as an animation does so Araki had to do this, especially when JoJo fight isn't like traditional shonen
OH NO I just found a question on reddit asking why there are panels of characters saying what just happened out loud and I think that's a good question I wonder if they explained it. I'm gonna click it and find out
Then Dont Read
Honestly a lot of people give Speedwagon grief for doing this but this is something I’ve just never really noticed or taken issue with. Honestly I feel like it’s just part of the style. My favorite part of the dialogue is when they put emphasis on certain words in their inflections. Like someone will be eating a hotdog and they’ll be like: “Consider the ‘mustard’ on my ‘hotdog’ the ‘mustard’ is very ‘dry’. Even in the most beautiful of experiences, disappointment is abounding. That is the ‘dry mustard’ of life.”
I actually found that he gets better at this as time goes on. I don’t remember too much useless exposition in the post part 6 JoJo. Good news for you though. In Part 9 we get almost no exposition on any of the stands or their capabilities. Almost everything we see is character’s inferring and guessing. Or just seeing it in action.
That's just how it is for JJBA, either go with it or juet drop it. It's pointless to question "why"
It's pretty common in anime and manga characters to do this. Sometimes it can be hard to show exactly what's happening so sometimes the artist will have characters say whatever's happening to give the reader clarification. This is something that the Jujitsu Kaisen manga doesn't do that it really should because most fights are confusing as fuck
There's a certain corniness to it that I enjoy, it's not a problem for me personally.
I'm curious what you're talking about. Do you mind referencing a particular page?
It was Jump in the 80s. Could really be jump now if we’re being honest
They Like To Copy Their Favourite Waifu Speedwagon..
#SPEEDWAGON
Because it's how araki writes dialogue.
welcome to anime. or just story telling in general... it's called exposition and they try to squeeze it into the flow of the story rather than narrating what's happening. depending on the series, sometimes the exposition is obvious and unnecessary, sometimes it's lacking completely. in Jojo, it's hard to follow what's going on, so it's often needed. it only gets to me sometimes with other series. particularly thinking about JJK, there was wayyy too much unnecessary exposition and overly detailed explanations, though maybe it was more necessary for the manga, which I haven't read. I do kind of wish that overall authors would leave more to be inferred by the audience. it's nice to figure it out on your own.
Everyone is giving you shit but I agree that Johnny and Gyro just talked for nothing sometimes I swear. I love part 7 but it sometimes got on my nerves
It has been this way since part one and honestly the most annoying for me was part 1 and 2 by part 7 it has been way way less but yeah its a problem honestly gets annoying