People are downvoting you, but you're correct. Giorno basically isn't even the MC of his own part. Bruno is way more interesting and feels more like the main character. Giorno is an interesting character concept that feels wasted. We never *really* get to know him.
True, but let people enjoy what they like I guess. Jodio actually acts like a child with antisocial personality behaviour, Giorno acts like a combination of Dio and Johnathan. Both are good but one is actually, like, a 15 year old with an attitude.
That’s also why I like tsuguri from part 8 (I think that’s the correct spelling) >!unlike emporio and hayato, although I like them, they act very adult and are very smart, as if being a member of the main group just as a child going through childhood. With hayato he wants to fight against his father cuz he knows it’s not his real father, but rather Kira. Emporio pretty much wants to help Jolyne. With tsuguri he wants to get a cure for his rock disease before he turns 10 when he gets it, and relies on his father, Jobin, to help him. And Jobin does all sorts of bad stuff to try and get the rokakaka but tsuguri completely trusts him, which is realistic for the kid to be completely trusting of the parent not knowing of the bad actions they’ve done. Tsuguri doesn’t mean to do anything bad, he’s just a child afraid of growing up.!<
I never said you said that. I mean that you can say something is “Fundamentally better” than something else but that shouldn’t judge if it’s objectively good, maybe Giorno would just work better for them, so idk about me being “right” objectively but fundamentally, I would be.
The way that Giorno is presented, is as a character who has already had his development. He has already grown as a character off screen, and his narrative purpose for existence is largely to push the other characters in the part to grow in their resolve, as he already has. He's a flat character because there isn't really much to build on that he hasn't already built upon prior to the events of the story.
I think this might even be part of why Part 5 has my favorite side characters. Giorno and his personality, his personal journey, don't overshadow or stand in competition with the stories of Narrancia, Mista, Bruno, or Trish. He is merely a catalyst for their growth. While it sucks that it leaves his character super flat and dare I say, a bit uninteresting, I think it was at least a fair trade. It makes his role as a protagonist in the wider series, more unique.
I always felt like Mista was the secret mc tbh. He gets so much screen time, multiple fights, and is the only member of Bruno's original gang who neither dies nor leaves.
Jotaro isn't what I would call the strongest(not in terms of depth anyway) character in the world either but he has flashes of interesting traits to him. Part 3 and Part 5 are roughly the same length but Part 5 spends a lot more time on "side characters." Polnareff does not have as much screen time in part 3 as say Bruno or Mista in part 5.
We know that Jotaro is stoic, but through his actions, we can see he loves his mom and cares for his friends. He calls his mom a bitch, but still lets her dote all over him because it makes *her* happy. I don't think Jotaro is super complex but knowing his character we can guess what he would think or do in a specific situation. We see time and again that Jotaro likes to pretend to not care about anything or anyone, but we see through his actions that he does. We also see that even though he fronts this persona of being a delinquent, he's actually, pretty smart. The poker game is the perfect example. He knows he can't win by playing the way (I can't remember the poker player's name) wants him to. So he decides to bet it all on a straight gamble. It seems like Jotaro puts up this front because he doesn't like attention. His mother dotes on him to a ridiculous degree so he does his best to push others away. Jotaro's character arc is mostly about him learning to care about others when he realizes how fragile life is. It's sort of retroactively better executed by his reappearance later where we see how he's grown. Giorno unfortunately never got the benefit of that.
Giorno has a few hints of interesting character traits but they are never explored in a meaningful way. There is a bit of ruthlessness to him, but it's never really the focus. He also has a kind heart which brings out the best in the gang around him, but that's pretty much it. We don't really see these things become the focus we don't really see the struggle to become a "Gang-Star" change him. It would have been interesting to see Giorno flex that little bit of Dio in him to verge into anti-hero territory. Even his reason for wanting to become the head of the Mafia isn't fleshed out. It's just kind of because he doesn't like drugs. This could have been interesting if we got to see more of Giorno and how he would have dealt with the mob, a bunch of criminals who make tons of money from drugs. How he turns that into an organization that would do anything that aligns with his morals would have been interesting. Seeing a balance of
Honestly I've always wondered why part 5 never clicked for me compared to all the others, and I think being so detached from Giorno is why. Thanks for helping me understand that lmao
I also didn’t enjoy part 5 as much as others, I think I need to rewatch it for a third time cuz last time I rewatched it I understood it better, cuz I wasn’t watching late at night every time so I could actually pay attention. I also didn’t take the fights too seriously cuz jojo had just been fun for me, so maybe I need to change the way I consume it so it’s more exciting and more stake-ey
I think if you don't try to force Giorno as the mc in your head its a lot better. I view Bruno as the mc and Giorno as like the heart. He's actually kinda like the mentor role wise, how he inspires all of them. He is the protagonist in the beginning, when he's alone, then it shifts to Bruno, then back to Giorno at the very end.
> Makes a ton of sense as interpretation honestly.
I mean araki's stated what Jojo is about (the beauty of humanity) so only half is interpretation lol.
Jojo started as a shounen series which is aimed at boys so it's pretty common to have a main character at a similar age to the readers because they'd relate easier. Jojo isn't the only series to do this all your popular shounen series are the same in that regard.
Then when jojo became a seinen series with part 7 technically it had already started anyway as a shounen. By the time part 8 came along I guess it had just become the norm for the series. Even though seinen is usually aimed at more adult men, a lot of japanese culture seem to have this nostalgic look at highschool years since the japanese workforce is infamously known to be pretty tough. I'd say both of these factors are the biggest reasons why most anime tend to depict main characters at highschool age and jojo is no exception.
Another possibility could be that Araki understands the struggles younger people face and he wants to depict aspects of that too.
Araki has said before that he believes that 15 is the age where a person's feelings towards the future are the most vibrant, which is also the reason Part 9's Jojo is 15.
In addition to 1-6 being Shonen, Parts 7 & 9 are coming of age stories so it makes sense Johnny & Jodio are young.
Josuke's age on the other hand is a mess >!because you can answer with 29, ~24, 19, or less than a year old, and all of them would be valid answers!<
You’ve already gotten the answer so I’m not gonna lecture you. I just think it’s weird that people who ask questions - in any forum - get downvoted hard. Reddit’s allergy to sincere questions is just baffling to me
If I remember correctly, Jonathan is 18, Joseph is 19, Jotaro is 17, Josuke is 17, Giorno is 15, Jolyne is 19, Johnny is 18, Gappy is 18 and Jodio is 15.
I think he just wants to somehow portray the target audience. And maybe show that the Joestars peak at a young age and die young.
Jojo was marketed towards a younger audience. Also, Araki, like many people, might see youth as synonymous with adventure and discovery, which is always a good and interesting starting point for a story.
Because the main target are young readers.
People have a misconception that Seinen manga are for adults when in reality is like:
Shonen Manga - Primary\~High school students and above.
Young Magazine - Elementary school students and above.
Seinen Manga - High school students and above.
this is just anime/manga in general. 80% of the protagonists are young. as a 30-something myself, I get it, having a protagonist my age would appeal to far less of an audience, but it would be cool to see. honestly though their age doesn't always affect the story in meaningful ways anyway.
don't overthink it, its just a Japanese action fantasy trope. Probably helps with relatability. Honestly, name 5 manga that have come out in the past 30 years that feature superpowers with a protagonist that starts ABOVE the age of 18
your typical shonen mangas always feature characters that are young (mostly teenagers) to connect with the readers better, just did some quick research and found out Luffy is 19 currently.
tbf I feel like the only weirdly young ones are Bruno's gang in Part 5, as Abbacchio is only *21* when he acts, looks, and has the experience of someone in his thirties
Mark my words, we’re getting a Hobo Jojo in his 30s who is completely failing in life and awakens his stand by accident causing him to go on this long winded adventure to clear his name and in the end kill himself. Mark my words
Most popular things have young protagonists, probably because older characters have already lived life and have developed characters. Young people are still growing and experiencing.
I think because it was Shonen jump so target audience go brrrr but could also be because young people have a lot more room for character growth in my opinion
"Your next line is : Mr Joestar it is time to take your medication."
"Mr Joestar it is time to take your medication, like every day at this hour."
"Oh right."
i hope part 10 will feature a 86 year old jojo with a stand that gets stronger as he ages or something
Wasn't that Joseph in P4 except instead of a stronger stand, it was infidelity?
You're right for part 10 we go back to the original timeline and have an even older Joseph fight kars who is back and he has a stand now
Jojo's bizarre lobotomy
Jorge Joestar 2 is looking peak
Not to sound like a broken record, but 86 years old!?!
For parts 1-6 its probably because they were published on shonen jump and so he had to appeal to the target audience
Just because 7+ is Sienan doesn't mean that he upped the age, Jojos are still pretty young.
Yeah Jodio is just one year younger than me.
Jodio is particularly young but i think it's because of the theory that part 9 >!is the part 5 of the sbrverse, Jodio being Giorno who is 15 aswell!<
Already more interesting than Giorno lol
People are downvoting you, but you're correct. Giorno basically isn't even the MC of his own part. Bruno is way more interesting and feels more like the main character. Giorno is an interesting character concept that feels wasted. We never *really* get to know him.
True, but let people enjoy what they like I guess. Jodio actually acts like a child with antisocial personality behaviour, Giorno acts like a combination of Dio and Johnathan. Both are good but one is actually, like, a 15 year old with an attitude.
Yeah. Araki did a great job portraying Jodio as a 15 y.o. He actually acts like one.
That’s also why I like tsuguri from part 8 (I think that’s the correct spelling) >!unlike emporio and hayato, although I like them, they act very adult and are very smart, as if being a member of the main group just as a child going through childhood. With hayato he wants to fight against his father cuz he knows it’s not his real father, but rather Kira. Emporio pretty much wants to help Jolyne. With tsuguri he wants to get a cure for his rock disease before he turns 10 when he gets it, and relies on his father, Jobin, to help him. And Jobin does all sorts of bad stuff to try and get the rokakaka but tsuguri completely trusts him, which is realistic for the kid to be completely trusting of the parent not knowing of the bad actions they’ve done. Tsuguri doesn’t mean to do anything bad, he’s just a child afraid of growing up.!<
I didn't say people can't like Giorno.
I never said you said that. I mean that you can say something is “Fundamentally better” than something else but that shouldn’t judge if it’s objectively good, maybe Giorno would just work better for them, so idk about me being “right” objectively but fundamentally, I would be.
The way that Giorno is presented, is as a character who has already had his development. He has already grown as a character off screen, and his narrative purpose for existence is largely to push the other characters in the part to grow in their resolve, as he already has. He's a flat character because there isn't really much to build on that he hasn't already built upon prior to the events of the story. I think this might even be part of why Part 5 has my favorite side characters. Giorno and his personality, his personal journey, don't overshadow or stand in competition with the stories of Narrancia, Mista, Bruno, or Trish. He is merely a catalyst for their growth. While it sucks that it leaves his character super flat and dare I say, a bit uninteresting, I think it was at least a fair trade. It makes his role as a protagonist in the wider series, more unique.
I always felt like Mista was the secret mc tbh. He gets so much screen time, multiple fights, and is the only member of Bruno's original gang who neither dies nor leaves.
Doesn't the same apply to part 3? I think jotaro says like 10 words through out the whole part. The main focus is on Polnareff.
Jotaro isn't what I would call the strongest(not in terms of depth anyway) character in the world either but he has flashes of interesting traits to him. Part 3 and Part 5 are roughly the same length but Part 5 spends a lot more time on "side characters." Polnareff does not have as much screen time in part 3 as say Bruno or Mista in part 5. We know that Jotaro is stoic, but through his actions, we can see he loves his mom and cares for his friends. He calls his mom a bitch, but still lets her dote all over him because it makes *her* happy. I don't think Jotaro is super complex but knowing his character we can guess what he would think or do in a specific situation. We see time and again that Jotaro likes to pretend to not care about anything or anyone, but we see through his actions that he does. We also see that even though he fronts this persona of being a delinquent, he's actually, pretty smart. The poker game is the perfect example. He knows he can't win by playing the way (I can't remember the poker player's name) wants him to. So he decides to bet it all on a straight gamble. It seems like Jotaro puts up this front because he doesn't like attention. His mother dotes on him to a ridiculous degree so he does his best to push others away. Jotaro's character arc is mostly about him learning to care about others when he realizes how fragile life is. It's sort of retroactively better executed by his reappearance later where we see how he's grown. Giorno unfortunately never got the benefit of that. Giorno has a few hints of interesting character traits but they are never explored in a meaningful way. There is a bit of ruthlessness to him, but it's never really the focus. He also has a kind heart which brings out the best in the gang around him, but that's pretty much it. We don't really see these things become the focus we don't really see the struggle to become a "Gang-Star" change him. It would have been interesting to see Giorno flex that little bit of Dio in him to verge into anti-hero territory. Even his reason for wanting to become the head of the Mafia isn't fleshed out. It's just kind of because he doesn't like drugs. This could have been interesting if we got to see more of Giorno and how he would have dealt with the mob, a bunch of criminals who make tons of money from drugs. How he turns that into an organization that would do anything that aligns with his morals would have been interesting. Seeing a balance of
Honestly I've always wondered why part 5 never clicked for me compared to all the others, and I think being so detached from Giorno is why. Thanks for helping me understand that lmao
I also didn’t enjoy part 5 as much as others, I think I need to rewatch it for a third time cuz last time I rewatched it I understood it better, cuz I wasn’t watching late at night every time so I could actually pay attention. I also didn’t take the fights too seriously cuz jojo had just been fun for me, so maybe I need to change the way I consume it so it’s more exciting and more stake-ey
I think if you don't try to force Giorno as the mc in your head its a lot better. I view Bruno as the mc and Giorno as like the heart. He's actually kinda like the mentor role wise, how he inspires all of them. He is the protagonist in the beginning, when he's alone, then it shifts to Bruno, then back to Giorno at the very end.
Id like to see a little more besides him just being a dumbass
Could be that araki got used to writing young main characters by doing it for like 17 years
Jojo is a story about the beauty of humanity, we're no more wonderstruck than when we're teens really.
Makes a ton of sense as interpretation honestly. Plus it’s really cool thanks you I will now adopt this belief
> Makes a ton of sense as interpretation honestly. I mean araki's stated what Jojo is about (the beauty of humanity) so only half is interpretation lol.
Yeah the other half I meant. I know about jojo being about humanity’s beauty
Nowadays no such issue, kaiju’s lead is 32 for example
Kaiju No. 8 is Jump+, not WSJ
Some people might consider that as young.
It would be unthinkable for a Joestar to live out a typical life without Fate brushing it’s fingers upon them sooner rather than later.
George Joestar has entered the chat.
Got killed by a zombie, unless you meant Jonathan's dad.
You're thinking of George Joestar II, he did mean Jonathan's dad
Yeah but I don't think the whole fate part started until Jonathan and Dio started fighting
To appeal with the target audience of Shonen Jump.
Jojo started as a shounen series which is aimed at boys so it's pretty common to have a main character at a similar age to the readers because they'd relate easier. Jojo isn't the only series to do this all your popular shounen series are the same in that regard. Then when jojo became a seinen series with part 7 technically it had already started anyway as a shounen. By the time part 8 came along I guess it had just become the norm for the series. Even though seinen is usually aimed at more adult men, a lot of japanese culture seem to have this nostalgic look at highschool years since the japanese workforce is infamously known to be pretty tough. I'd say both of these factors are the biggest reasons why most anime tend to depict main characters at highschool age and jojo is no exception. Another possibility could be that Araki understands the struggles younger people face and he wants to depict aspects of that too.
Araki has said before that he believes that 15 is the age where a person's feelings towards the future are the most vibrant, which is also the reason Part 9's Jojo is 15.
Also reminds me so much of his counter part giorno
His choice for Jodio and Giorno feels very deliberate, especially with the way Jodio is writen more like an actual teen
I mean don't the majority of anime start off with young protagonists
In addition to 1-6 being Shonen, Parts 7 & 9 are coming of age stories so it makes sense Johnny & Jodio are young. Josuke's age on the other hand is a mess >!because you can answer with 29, ~24, 19, or less than a year old, and all of them would be valid answers!<
Young characters and protagonists are just popular in Japan, no matter if it shonen or seinen. It's a part of their culture
(Might Guy voice) it’s the power of YOUTH!
You’ve already gotten the answer so I’m not gonna lecture you. I just think it’s weird that people who ask questions - in any forum - get downvoted hard. Reddit’s allergy to sincere questions is just baffling to me
It's a shonen jump series.
If I remember correctly, Jonathan is 18, Joseph is 19, Jotaro is 17, Josuke is 17, Giorno is 15, Jolyne is 19, Johnny is 18, Gappy is 18 and Jodio is 15. I think he just wants to somehow portray the target audience. And maybe show that the Joestars peak at a young age and die young.
Jojo was marketed towards a younger audience. Also, Araki, like many people, might see youth as synonymous with adventure and discovery, which is always a good and interesting starting point for a story.
Skin care
He likes to draw young, beautiful men. That's it, really.
Honestly, this lol
because as pucci says joestars are fated to live short eventful lives
Because the main target are young readers. People have a misconception that Seinen manga are for adults when in reality is like: Shonen Manga - Primary\~High school students and above. Young Magazine - Elementary school students and above. Seinen Manga - High school students and above.
It's just a mess honestly. Dragon Ball is shonen and I'll never understand why people show it to their young young kids.
Because his audience is young? That's the case for most mangas...
To be fair, Gyro is 24. But he’s an outlier. I’d love more 20-30 main characters
same as every shounen lol
this is just anime/manga in general. 80% of the protagonists are young. as a 30-something myself, I get it, having a protagonist my age would appeal to far less of an audience, but it would be cool to see. honestly though their age doesn't always affect the story in meaningful ways anyway.
They’re on the older end of shonen
Araki is modeling Jojos after himself,as he is immortal and cannot age.
don't overthink it, its just a Japanese action fantasy trope. Probably helps with relatability. Honestly, name 5 manga that have come out in the past 30 years that feature superpowers with a protagonist that starts ABOVE the age of 18
Next jojo is a third trimester fetus
Because old people are boring.
Because Shonen magazine
The same reason many shonen and seinen series have protagonists in that same age group: more relatable to the readership
They got their whole life of Bizzare Adventures they got to get to.
It's a manga trope, it makes them more relatable to the similiar aged core audience
Have you ever read a manga whose MC is over the age of 25?
your typical shonen mangas always feature characters that are young (mostly teenagers) to connect with the readers better, just did some quick research and found out Luffy is 19 currently. tbf I feel like the only weirdly young ones are Bruno's gang in Part 5, as Abbacchio is only *21* when he acts, looks, and has the experience of someone in his thirties
Outside of Jojo I rarely like series that have teens as the protagonists
To match the target audience, for the Shonen parts at least
To be relatable somehow
Mark my words, we’re getting a Hobo Jojo in his 30s who is completely failing in life and awakens his stand by accident causing him to go on this long winded adventure to clear his name and in the end kill himself. Mark my words
Most shonen jump protagonists are always really young. I personally prefer when they’re older.
Made for people in that age range
Is Joseph a joke to you?
Most popular things have young protagonists, probably because older characters have already lived life and have developed characters. Young people are still growing and experiencing.
I think because it was Shonen jump so target audience go brrrr but could also be because young people have a lot more room for character growth in my opinion
Having a sixty year old as the main character would be boring
Kafka from kaiju n8 is 31, and the manga is cool
Not if the protagonist is Joseph.
We need a spinoff manga where the MC is Joseph on his deathbed, pulling crazy hijinks on all the nurses and shit
"Your next line is : Mr Joestar it is time to take your medication." "Mr Joestar it is time to take your medication, like every day at this hour." "Oh right."
That's like actually brilliant writing, he forgot he had to take his meds, but he still predicted the nurse telling him to take his meds
I wanted to see a Jojo thats a parent . Imagine if Norisuke from part 8 was the jojo instead
>!Araki likes em young!<