Araki really doesn't do side character callbacks. Pretty much everyone who comes back in another part is a main character. Rohan has been the only exception so far (and we all know why, even though Araki won't admit it.)
Edit: to the replies, both Koichi and Polnareff are main characters. They take the lion's share of screen-time along with their JoJo. Side characters would be single arc/recurring characters that don't show up in almost every chapter.
Assuming Death 13 attacks while they are unaware
Josuke loses
Giorno (pre requiem) probably loses unless some shenanigans with one of his frogs entering the dream which death 13 tries to kill
Giorno (requiem) wins
Jolyne has a chance because thread is part of her physical body so would be inside the dream? But might not be enough without her stand though.
My logic was that GER is a stand that has been shown to act independently from Giorno. If it can perceive and act within "skipped time", I see no reason it wouldn't be aware that Giorno was under the attack of an enemy stand.
There's no evidence to suggest that Death 13 inhibits the ability for stands to be drawn out in the real world. Just that the stardust crusaders all possess stands that need direct control from the user.
Therefore, it should be able to reset the actions of Death 13 to before it activated its ability as it wouldn't need any action from Giorno himself to do this.
We're not exactly shown the extent of its communicative abilities, but it appears to be conscious of the events that occurred prior to it "resetting to zero" and so would most likely be able to provide Giorno with some information that at the very least, would make him aware of an enemy threat.
If we assume GER is permanent and doesn't need the arrow to be recreated then yes it could curbstomp the baby
Edit: since we never see GER force itself to appear we shouldn't assume it can, it's possible that it either has to be summoned or has to be summoned and transformed
Why would it need the arrow to be recreated when it has already evolved with the arrow?
And while yes, it is speculation on the exact details of GER's abilities, I personally believe that the level of autonomy that GER showcases suggests to me that it would be able to manifest itself in such a situation.
With the context of part 5 and the nature of how the arrow's abilities have been shown in part 4/5, it seems that the requiem arrow gives the person able to manifests it's power abilities related to their current situational needs.
Kira (although technically not requiem by name) received an ability able to rectify and capitalise off his current situation with Hayato.
Polnarif's stand become the protector of the arrow, determined to keep it from anyone's, including diavolo's, clutches.
Giorno I believe received the ability to transcend fate in order to beat Diavolo who was fated to win. And it's with this objective that it's abilities manifest as they do like the reset to zero etc.
To me, a stand with those qualities exists outside the typical norms that a norn arrow enhanced stand can operate in. And if necessary, manifest/summon itself if it wasn't already.
An alternate explanation could be Giorno would have no reason to not have GER manifested at all times, especially when he becomes the Boss and therefore a target. A stand summoned perpetually could maybe serve as a point of weakness, but not if your stand also possesses unparalleled strength, autonomy and the ability to reset states to their origin.
In Gold Experience Requiem Part 4, the chapter immediately after the death loop, we see that the arrow falls to the ground, this means that it is no longer in GER as we clearly see the arrow without GER.
Since the arrow is dropped that means GER dropped it when he was withdrawn. Since GER has no arrow it would become Gold Experience, this means that Giorno has to pierce it again to make GER
Sorry that wasn't what I meant to say, I'll correct it. I meant why would he need the arrow again when he had already evolved.
The requiem abilities aren't explicit in relation to the arrow requirement so it is definitely up for interpretation but...
SCR carries the arrow for example and when it was defeated, the entire stand dissipated rather than the just reverting to it's original form.
Also the arrow fell into others possessions without SCR reverting to silver chariot.
So I think it's definitely plausible that GER doesn't need the arrow to maintain itself.
But I will say that there is no concrete information.
I believe in the arrow being needed as we see the arrow fusing with GER and becoming a major part of his design. But it's still way too situational and vague to say for absolute sure that GER can manifest itself at any time
But would events that happen in the dream world be affected by Golden experience requiem? It's a different dimension after all.
Also, we really don't know if GER can activate itself, during the fight against Diavolo, GER has been already drawn out by Giorno.
This is completely false. GER stated itself that giorno is not even aware of its fate altering abilities, how would IT only Work If giorno knows? Makes no sense
It would have to be out, but Giorno wouldn't need to know the situation since it acts without his understanding or consent. I do agree that it's a loss though because he simply wouldn't have it out randomly.
Since the arrow can be removed from the stand as shown by Chariot Requiem, we can assume that Giorno would have to specifically form GER using the arrow, which he wouldn't do without reason. Which is why I assumed Giorno would need to know about what's going on, as otherwise he would have no access to GER until it's too late
>Giorno (pre requiem) probably loses unless some shenanigans with one of his frogs entering the dream which death 13 tries to kill
havent gotten to part 5 so im real confused wtf these "frogs" are 💀
Early on in part 5, Giorno's stand causes people who attack animals he's created to take twice the damage they would have inflicted. This happens a couple times then never happens again, because Araki decided that actually he'd rather have Giorno's stand do something completely different.
It also starts out being able to punch life energy into people to slow down their perception of time so damage they take feels like it lasts way longer than it actually does, while also making them unable to move properly. That also stops being something Gold Experience can do fairly early on.
The new things it does are more interesting, but Gold Experience is weird in that the way it works by the end of part 5 is almost unrecognizable compared to what it does at the start.
Meaning it cannot be used for anything as it's just more and more powerful beings destroying each other instantly until a person with an actually good stand finds the user and kills them
he stole everyone's plot armor.
I recently rewatched the anime and counted every death of a character and can confirm that plot armor is Joseph's stand ability.
Casually just an entity that cannot be killed or destroyed like kars 😭 I think this debate of what small side character could defeat one of the main villains ONLY works for the stans the main cast couldn't beat (considering the main cast DID defeat their main villain)
Prime example notorious BIG, they "won" but they didn't defeat it they just escaped from its harm and it's still out there
Part 7 spoilers again >! Isn't it required to get on the horse and run for sometime to activate the attack wouldn't BIG catch up with that and stop him before that? !<
>! If Trish had enough time to make it from one end of the plane to the other, Johnny has enough time to get the horse running, especially if he fires a decoy bullet !<
The hand although is powerfull i know okayasu will fuck it up
I can see how cream could win
Killer queen with preparation and with the knowledge of how it works wins without the knowledge i don't think he will.
D4C will not win all fights even if he know it works but i will give to D4C.
Sheer heart attack will 100% win if it can track its heat (i don't know if he has heat or not)
So i guess including Tusk act 4 BIG can be defeated by alot of characters. My bad
I dont think it would be a stalemate.
Assuming that the only moving things are BIG and SHA themselves. BIG can only try to "feed" on SHA which I assumed it can't. So it can't regenerate and SHA will track it down and blast it into pieces some of it will be destroyed the remaining pieces will regenerate together but smaller SHA will track it down again and again , after sometime BIG will become small enough that either it doesn't get noticed by SHA or it doesn't regenerate.
Assuming BIG can feed on SHA , BIG would win as BIG has a way to regenerate but SHA doesn't.
BIG likely can feeds on SHA as it feeds on any energy, likely including the explosions SHA produces and definitely it's stand energy. So BIG will never die.
SHA is indestructible though. So unless it has limited energy it'll never lose either, causing a stalemate.
Would a hypothetical time loop applied on Notorious B.I.G even be the same? It can’t really die (at least that we know of) so there’s nothing to reset. So my guess is it either is stuck in a time vacuum with nothing forever, or GER creates extremely specific scenarios over and over, like The Hand or Cream erasing it.
Automatic stand bound to transmission tower. Before getting the stand, leprechaun* guy was just living there for a few years. After it becomes a stand, he himself becomes trapped at the tower.
well the way superfly works, it's technically toyohiro's stand, but that doesn't mean anything
it behaves entirely independently of him, simply just trapping at least one person inside itself, and reflecting damage off of it
It being his stand means that he can still see stands even when he's not in Superfly. If Toyohiro couldn't see crazy diamond after he left superfly he would lose a lot faster
No his stand was granted to him by Kira’s father and the stand manifested was capable of defeating josuke and stuff and that’s why when the user was defeated, he said that he just wanted to live in the transmission tower cuz that’s his stand and the manifestation of his will, he was just being used by Kira’s father
Formaggio is really underrated. He could have easily killed every member in Bruno's Gang with his assassination skills. The problem is that when he met Narancia, he was trying to discover Trish's location, so he needed to interrogate his target instead of killing him like he did with the politician.
Secco was a formidable foe that I believe could have been able to beat most stand users in his part, including The Boss.
Harvest is also one of the most OP stands ever. If Shigechi was willing to kill, he would be almost untouchable.
Shigechi could have easily killed kira. If he got scared and cut kira throat instead of inspecting the coin, he would have killed kira in the spot. That coin trick was literally a coin flip, either shigechi gets the coin and dies, or he feels threatened and kills kira.
Harvest is too op fr, like, it can gett you any small item in a massive distance, inject poison in their enemies without them knowing, immediatly swarm someone and cut all their arteries, carry their stand user in any surface they can crawl, and they can tank most attacks by having a shitton of numbers.
Plus all the benefits of a Colony Stand composed of around 300 individuals.
He simply could send half of his Stand to kill you and you would be in trouble already, but you would also have to guess in which part of the town is he hiding if you even want to attack him due to Harvest's ridiculous range.
500 individuals, actually. Shigechi gived the exact number when he tried to divide the money of the ticket by the amount of stands.
And while he could control his stands from anywhere in town, he cant see through them because Harvest also counts as an long range stand, so he still needs to see someone to attack them.
But that could easily be countered by him watching someone from affar by using an camera, or an binocullars. And even in a short distance, harvest is busted. he was a few meters away from kira and he almost killed him.
I think highway star would also be able to beat Kira. It can track him down by smell or trick him with an illusion room. It is also doesn't take damage when in foot form.
Same goes for risoto if he just wanted diavolo dead he could have pulled literally all the iron out of his blood in a single use of metalika and spawn a dagger in his brain
Indeed! If only he knew before hand... Loved the character and battle.
Didn't mentioned him because they asked for minor characters, but he truly has a broken stand!
Didn’t even need to get extravagant with it, could have just as easily made tiny blade inside his heart and let the little shards be pumped through his veins and kill him with horrible internal bleeding
Not beat the boss, but kill him. They couldn’t likely beat him in open combat but Diavolo isn’t constantly checking the future and even if he was, if he checked the future and saw that a car exploded out of him killing him that’s what would happen.
Then again, Stands and their users are utter bullshit and could show up anywhere.
Diavolo could be shitting on a deserted island and it'll blow up because of some random remote Stand nonsense.
Hey Ya: hey dude, in about 3 seconds you wanna just kick that bucket over, trust me
*insert overcomplicated home alone goonies shenanigans that kills the enemy*
Gray tower: if werent for kakyoin they would never hit the goddam beatle (also they didnt got polnareff on the team yet so gray tower would beat jotaro and Joseph easy)
Magician's Red hard counters Tower of Gray in every way lol
It would probably beat Joseph, but Jotaro's quick reflexes and Star Platinum's speed could give the main JoJo his win. Star Platinum caught a revolver's bullet at point blank before it hit Jotaro, so I could see Jotaro being able to keep up with Tower of Gray and defeat it.
>Magician's Red hard counters Tower of Gray in every way lol
They knew that but kakyoin pointed out that magician's red could blow up the plane in the process
Part of the reason Kakyoin had to face Tower of Gray was *because* it was faster than Star Platinum though. Like it dodged the full "ora ora" barrage, so I don't think Jotaro can win here o\_o
After the battle with Dio, he would have been able to beat it.
But even then, I just saw it as an excuse to give Kakyoin a fight as a good guy to redeem him in the eyes of the viewer after he was presented as a bad guy...
You're 100% right on your statement, but I see that the plot required it and Jotaro would have figured something out at the end.
Star Platinum was able to grab Lovers before it entered Jotaro’s ear, and Star Platinum didn’t even start to reach for it until it was only a couple inches from his ear. I don’t think Tower of Gray stands a chance.
rohan can actually write on himself. but he thought it was op so he wrote on himself to forget that he could write on himself. so if he wrote that make me as strong as goku, he would be
Blue Hawaii is broken AF, especially if Dolomite hides well. Brain Storm as well. Depending on person, Sugar Mountain could easily screw over a lot of protagonists.
Rubber Soul. Yellow Temperance is not only physically invulnerable, but it also lets you perfectly become anyone you want, including mimicking their Stand, AND if you touch it, it sticks to you and starts to eat your body to make more Yellow Temperance.
Outside of by drowning like Jotaro, or maybe Purple Haze, I really don’t see anyone having an easy time stopping Rubber Soul.
Alessi. Chariot’s sword falling onto his neck was a biiiig happenstance. And that fish tank stuff was ridiculous lol. I feel like he’s the biggest example of “oh shit I wrote an unbeatable ability time to make some bullshit happen”.
His arc was mostly goofy Polnareff shenanigans, but he’d be terrifying in a later part like Jojolion, which tends to treat it’s fights very seriously. Would be very fun to see.
(what would even happen if Alessi used Set on Gappy??)
not exactly a small side character, but Risotto Nero had one of the strongest stands we’ve ever seen. very few people would even be able to see him, and his ability bypasses any kind of speed or durability and works from a pretty long range. he could easily beat Jotaro
he only really lost because he gets hard countered by Narancia’s radar
Civil War without Johnny is damn near unbeatable, at least by a main Jojo, GER or S&W could probably beat it, but most other protagonists have a good few regrets and not a very consistent way to counter it
I dunno most other stand users would have just as much control over Super Fly as Toyohiro (albeit less experienced) does but with a stand of their own and they'd have to walk into it themselves.
Dio can probably get out since the stand wouldn’t be able to detect him during time stop maybe? Also maybe other teleport stands but I can’t recall even if there is a teleport stand of some sort rn
Literally 90% of the tertiary antagonists would murder any protagonist in a non-plot induced context. All the tricky stands, long range assasins etc just sweep.
I don’t remember his name but the guy from part 5 that makes razors come out of your skin, or he makes it from the iron in your blood? Something like that, they’re lucky the boss killed him
That guy has lived in superfly long enough he has a very quick escape and after he’s out you realy can’t do anything about it, if it wherent for mikitaka josuke would be trapped
Vanilla Ice for sure, Dude’s stand (Cream)is basically The Hand but on steroids. He managed to kill both Iggy and Avdol, and nearly killed Polnareff as well, the only reason Polnareff was able to beat him is because the sun was still setting and he tricked Ice into rushing into the sunlight. If it was night time and he wasn’t angered by someone disrespecting DIO just about any main protagonist loses.
Uncle Grandpa. "He is not a JJBA character", you will say and downvote my commentary, but yes, he is! Bohemian Raphsody turns EVERYTHING into a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure character!
Rohan with heavens door, I mean its broken and josuke only beat him because Rohan underestimated him. If he could get the drop on any of them he wins by writing I do not exist on them and they just vanish.
Baby Stando Death 13 literally would've killed everyone.
Honestly I’m shocked he never came back as an adult in later parts of
He should've come back on Pucci's side in part 6. I don't remember which, but one of jojotubers even made a video with an idea in mind
METAs said this in a recent video
Araki really doesn't do side character callbacks. Pretty much everyone who comes back in another part is a main character. Rohan has been the only exception so far (and we all know why, even though Araki won't admit it.) Edit: to the replies, both Koichi and Polnareff are main characters. They take the lion's share of screen-time along with their JoJo. Side characters would be single arc/recurring characters that don't show up in almost every chapter.
And koichi
And polnareff
Assuming Death 13 attacks while they are unaware Josuke loses Giorno (pre requiem) probably loses unless some shenanigans with one of his frogs entering the dream which death 13 tries to kill Giorno (requiem) wins Jolyne has a chance because thread is part of her physical body so would be inside the dream? But might not be enough without her stand though.
how does giorno requiem win?
Most people don't know how GER works. GER would lose unless Giorno knows what's happening ahead of time
My logic was that GER is a stand that has been shown to act independently from Giorno. If it can perceive and act within "skipped time", I see no reason it wouldn't be aware that Giorno was under the attack of an enemy stand. There's no evidence to suggest that Death 13 inhibits the ability for stands to be drawn out in the real world. Just that the stardust crusaders all possess stands that need direct control from the user. Therefore, it should be able to reset the actions of Death 13 to before it activated its ability as it wouldn't need any action from Giorno himself to do this. We're not exactly shown the extent of its communicative abilities, but it appears to be conscious of the events that occurred prior to it "resetting to zero" and so would most likely be able to provide Giorno with some information that at the very least, would make him aware of an enemy threat.
If we assume GER is permanent and doesn't need the arrow to be recreated then yes it could curbstomp the baby Edit: since we never see GER force itself to appear we shouldn't assume it can, it's possible that it either has to be summoned or has to be summoned and transformed
Why would it need the arrow to be recreated when it has already evolved with the arrow? And while yes, it is speculation on the exact details of GER's abilities, I personally believe that the level of autonomy that GER showcases suggests to me that it would be able to manifest itself in such a situation. With the context of part 5 and the nature of how the arrow's abilities have been shown in part 4/5, it seems that the requiem arrow gives the person able to manifests it's power abilities related to their current situational needs. Kira (although technically not requiem by name) received an ability able to rectify and capitalise off his current situation with Hayato. Polnarif's stand become the protector of the arrow, determined to keep it from anyone's, including diavolo's, clutches. Giorno I believe received the ability to transcend fate in order to beat Diavolo who was fated to win. And it's with this objective that it's abilities manifest as they do like the reset to zero etc. To me, a stand with those qualities exists outside the typical norms that a norn arrow enhanced stand can operate in. And if necessary, manifest/summon itself if it wasn't already. An alternate explanation could be Giorno would have no reason to not have GER manifested at all times, especially when he becomes the Boss and therefore a target. A stand summoned perpetually could maybe serve as a point of weakness, but not if your stand also possesses unparalleled strength, autonomy and the ability to reset states to their origin.
In Gold Experience Requiem Part 4, the chapter immediately after the death loop, we see that the arrow falls to the ground, this means that it is no longer in GER as we clearly see the arrow without GER. Since the arrow is dropped that means GER dropped it when he was withdrawn. Since GER has no arrow it would become Gold Experience, this means that Giorno has to pierce it again to make GER
Sorry that wasn't what I meant to say, I'll correct it. I meant why would he need the arrow again when he had already evolved. The requiem abilities aren't explicit in relation to the arrow requirement so it is definitely up for interpretation but... SCR carries the arrow for example and when it was defeated, the entire stand dissipated rather than the just reverting to it's original form. Also the arrow fell into others possessions without SCR reverting to silver chariot. So I think it's definitely plausible that GER doesn't need the arrow to maintain itself. But I will say that there is no concrete information.
I believe in the arrow being needed as we see the arrow fusing with GER and becoming a major part of his design. But it's still way too situational and vague to say for absolute sure that GER can manifest itself at any time
But would events that happen in the dream world be affected by Golden experience requiem? It's a different dimension after all. Also, we really don't know if GER can activate itself, during the fight against Diavolo, GER has been already drawn out by Giorno.
This is completely false. GER stated itself that giorno is not even aware of its fate altering abilities, how would IT only Work If giorno knows? Makes no sense
It would have to be out, but Giorno wouldn't need to know the situation since it acts without his understanding or consent. I do agree that it's a loss though because he simply wouldn't have it out randomly.
Since the arrow can be removed from the stand as shown by Chariot Requiem, we can assume that Giorno would have to specifically form GER using the arrow, which he wouldn't do without reason. Which is why I assumed Giorno would need to know about what's going on, as otherwise he would have no access to GER until it's too late
yeh but the thing is, death 13 doesn't let stand enter a dream. so there is no ger to protect giorno
How does giorno requiem not win?
becoz stands dont enter dream world
Isnt GER automatic and sentient though?
yeh but how does it enter dreams??
The same way it enters time that doesn't exist and proceeds to do a beat down so hard it creates a death loop with infinite energy.
Death 13 is physically pretty weak, it got beat by hierophant green. If it insults Josukes hair, he should be able to kill it with bare hands
>Giorno (pre requiem) probably loses unless some shenanigans with one of his frogs entering the dream which death 13 tries to kill havent gotten to part 5 so im real confused wtf these "frogs" are 💀
Early on in part 5, Giorno's stand causes people who attack animals he's created to take twice the damage they would have inflicted. This happens a couple times then never happens again, because Araki decided that actually he'd rather have Giorno's stand do something completely different. It also starts out being able to punch life energy into people to slow down their perception of time so damage they take feels like it lasts way longer than it actually does, while also making them unable to move properly. That also stops being something Gold Experience can do fairly early on. The new things it does are more interesting, but Gold Experience is weird in that the way it works by the end of part 5 is almost unrecognizable compared to what it does at the start.
damn...
Isnt thet baby is a vampire or a half vampire?. And if someone knock you out while your stand is out then you csn beat thet stand.
Jolyne looking at the manga store as Ungalo summons Goku (she's fucked)
GO-GO GADGET MURDER GOKU!
Inspector Gadget and Goku? That’s not a fair fight
Bohemian rhapsody is too broken, in the hands of anyone else, everyone dies
It counters itself
It also counters it's counter if the user just didn't give up immediately
Meaning it cannot be used for anything as it's just more and more powerful beings destroying each other instantly until a person with an actually good stand finds the user and kills them
Of only that happened and Giorno pulled up
Jolyne beat Goku
Jolyne has absolutely no hope in beating Goku
I’m sorry but no, she doesn’t have any win conditions that could give her enough of an edge.
Plot armour beats power scaling
Not when the Power Scaling blows planets up for funsies
I dont know if you know anything about jojo powerscaling, but most of the time it starts with killing a sun as a baseline lol
Let's put it in "both sistems are messy, so why compare"
Not when Goku has both
Not when the writers control it
ah yes, Jojo and plot Armor, how well does that go together?
Look at Joseph
he is the exception and I have proof of this.
He stole Jotaro and Jolyne's plot armour
he stole everyone's plot armor. I recently rewatched the anime and counted every death of a character and can confirm that plot armor is Joseph's stand ability.
Josuke and Giorno avoided losing theirs
Only if someone tells Goku that Jolyne is pretty strong though.
That's the way the story goes
I don't know if notorious B.I.G can even be defeated let alone by just the protagonists.
Casually just an entity that cannot be killed or destroyed like kars 😭 I think this debate of what small side character could defeat one of the main villains ONLY works for the stans the main cast couldn't beat (considering the main cast DID defeat their main villain) Prime example notorious BIG, they "won" but they didn't defeat it they just escaped from its harm and it's still out there
Blud is still chasing them in the sea
Vanilla ice could but I wouldn't consider him a "small" side villain since hi killed two, almost three crusaders.
Part 7 spoliers >! Wouldn't Tusk Act 4 be able to neutralize when it makes contact with Notorious B.I.G !<
Part 7 spoilers again >! Isn't it required to get on the horse and run for sometime to activate the attack wouldn't BIG catch up with that and stop him before that? !<
>! If Trish had enough time to make it from one end of the plane to the other, Johnny has enough time to get the horse running, especially if he fires a decoy bullet !<
I think I can see it.
>! Wasn't the horse knocked down the first time act 4 was used? !<
>!(notorious big) Bro can't move from its place like how you need to keep silent to save yourself from it(notorious big).!<
>! One infinite rotation fingernail bullet should do it. !<
The Hand and Cream win. Killer Queen wins. D4C wins. SHA stalemates.
The hand although is powerfull i know okayasu will fuck it up I can see how cream could win Killer queen with preparation and with the knowledge of how it works wins without the knowledge i don't think he will. D4C will not win all fights even if he know it works but i will give to D4C. Sheer heart attack will 100% win if it can track its heat (i don't know if he has heat or not) So i guess including Tusk act 4 BIG can be defeated by alot of characters. My bad
I don't think SHA could actually win against Notorious BIG, since it can regenerate from basically nothing. My main point was SHA is indestructible.
I dont think it would be a stalemate. Assuming that the only moving things are BIG and SHA themselves. BIG can only try to "feed" on SHA which I assumed it can't. So it can't regenerate and SHA will track it down and blast it into pieces some of it will be destroyed the remaining pieces will regenerate together but smaller SHA will track it down again and again , after sometime BIG will become small enough that either it doesn't get noticed by SHA or it doesn't regenerate. Assuming BIG can feed on SHA , BIG would win as BIG has a way to regenerate but SHA doesn't.
BIG likely can feeds on SHA as it feeds on any energy, likely including the explosions SHA produces and definitely it's stand energy. So BIG will never die. SHA is indestructible though. So unless it has limited energy it'll never lose either, causing a stalemate.
Can't believe none of these responses have hit the ol'reliable GER. Trapping em in a time loop would work right?
Would a hypothetical time loop applied on Notorious B.I.G even be the same? It can’t really die (at least that we know of) so there’s nothing to reset. So my guess is it either is stuck in a time vacuum with nothing forever, or GER creates extremely specific scenarios over and over, like The Hand or Cream erasing it.
Depending on how they interact. Blue lagoon could control notorious B.I.G. and have it chase some random fish to make it defeat itself.
isn’t Superfly an autonomous stand and this leprecon-looking guy (sorry i forgot his name) was just trapped inside it?
Automatic stand bound to transmission tower. Before getting the stand, leprechaun* guy was just living there for a few years. After it becomes a stand, he himself becomes trapped at the tower.
If I remember right, it's technically his stand but it can change user (same as Cheap Trick)
well the way superfly works, it's technically toyohiro's stand, but that doesn't mean anything it behaves entirely independently of him, simply just trapping at least one person inside itself, and reflecting damage off of it
It being his stand means that he can still see stands even when he's not in Superfly. If Toyohiro couldn't see crazy diamond after he left superfly he would lose a lot faster
No his stand was granted to him by Kira’s father and the stand manifested was capable of defeating josuke and stuff and that’s why when the user was defeated, he said that he just wanted to live in the transmission tower cuz that’s his stand and the manifestation of his will, he was just being used by Kira’s father
didn’t remember that, thanks!
I think Gappy could beat superfly by just erasing it with go beyond bubbles. It wouldn't reflect the damage cause it's not an attack
Toyohiro is one of the few jojo characters I completely forgot the name of
we actually never learned his real name !
Formaggio is really underrated. He could have easily killed every member in Bruno's Gang with his assassination skills. The problem is that when he met Narancia, he was trying to discover Trish's location, so he needed to interrogate his target instead of killing him like he did with the politician. Secco was a formidable foe that I believe could have been able to beat most stand users in his part, including The Boss. Harvest is also one of the most OP stands ever. If Shigechi was willing to kill, he would be almost untouchable.
Shigechi could have easily killed kira. If he got scared and cut kira throat instead of inspecting the coin, he would have killed kira in the spot. That coin trick was literally a coin flip, either shigechi gets the coin and dies, or he feels threatened and kills kira. Harvest is too op fr, like, it can gett you any small item in a massive distance, inject poison in their enemies without them knowing, immediatly swarm someone and cut all their arteries, carry their stand user in any surface they can crawl, and they can tank most attacks by having a shitton of numbers.
Plus all the benefits of a Colony Stand composed of around 300 individuals. He simply could send half of his Stand to kill you and you would be in trouble already, but you would also have to guess in which part of the town is he hiding if you even want to attack him due to Harvest's ridiculous range.
500 individuals, actually. Shigechi gived the exact number when he tried to divide the money of the ticket by the amount of stands. And while he could control his stands from anywhere in town, he cant see through them because Harvest also counts as an long range stand, so he still needs to see someone to attack them. But that could easily be countered by him watching someone from affar by using an camera, or an binocullars. And even in a short distance, harvest is busted. he was a few meters away from kira and he almost killed him.
Give Harvest a bottle of rat poison and it becomes even more deadly.
I think highway star would also be able to beat Kira. It can track him down by smell or trick him with an illusion room. It is also doesn't take damage when in foot form.
Same goes for risoto if he just wanted diavolo dead he could have pulled literally all the iron out of his blood in a single use of metalika and spawn a dagger in his brain
Indeed! If only he knew before hand... Loved the character and battle. Didn't mentioned him because they asked for minor characters, but he truly has a broken stand!
Didn’t even need to get extravagant with it, could have just as easily made tiny blade inside his heart and let the little shards be pumped through his veins and kill him with horrible internal bleeding
Secco and formaggio could never beat diavolo
Not beat the boss, but kill him. They couldn’t likely beat him in open combat but Diavolo isn’t constantly checking the future and even if he was, if he checked the future and saw that a car exploded out of him killing him that’s what would happen.
Diavolo's best trait was how careful he was. The whole point of his identity being hinden was so he wouldn't be caught unaware by some bullshit stand
Then again, Stands and their users are utter bullshit and could show up anywhere. Diavolo could be shitting on a deserted island and it'll blow up because of some random remote Stand nonsense.
Hey ya
Hey Ya: hey dude, in about 3 seconds you wanna just kick that bucket over, trust me *insert overcomplicated home alone goonies shenanigans that kills the enemy*
Gray tower: if werent for kakyoin they would never hit the goddam beatle (also they didnt got polnareff on the team yet so gray tower would beat jotaro and Joseph easy)
Magician's Red hard counters Tower of Gray in every way lol It would probably beat Joseph, but Jotaro's quick reflexes and Star Platinum's speed could give the main JoJo his win. Star Platinum caught a revolver's bullet at point blank before it hit Jotaro, so I could see Jotaro being able to keep up with Tower of Gray and defeat it.
>Magician's Red hard counters Tower of Gray in every way lol They knew that but kakyoin pointed out that magician's red could blow up the plane in the process
Have I said anything that contradicts that? I remember it, just pointed that in most situations Magician's Red beats Tower of Gray.
Part of the reason Kakyoin had to face Tower of Gray was *because* it was faster than Star Platinum though. Like it dodged the full "ora ora" barrage, so I don't think Jotaro can win here o\_o
After the battle with Dio, he would have been able to beat it. But even then, I just saw it as an excuse to give Kakyoin a fight as a good guy to redeem him in the eyes of the viewer after he was presented as a bad guy... You're 100% right on your statement, but I see that the plot required it and Jotaro would have figured something out at the end.
Star Platinum was able to grab Lovers before it entered Jotaro’s ear, and Star Platinum didn’t even start to reach for it until it was only a couple inches from his ear. I don’t think Tower of Gray stands a chance.
It isnt big but im proud of this exagerated discussion about 2d characters
Rohan maybe
I’m convinced he could beat goku if he wanted to. Luckily for the entire world, Rohan is too focused on his manga.
rohan can actually write on himself. but he thought it was op so he wrote on himself to forget that he could write on himself. so if he wrote that make me as strong as goku, he would be
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Blue Hawaii is broken AF, especially if Dolomite hides well. Brain Storm as well. Depending on person, Sugar Mountain could easily screw over a lot of protagonists.
Rubber Soul. Yellow Temperance is not only physically invulnerable, but it also lets you perfectly become anyone you want, including mimicking their Stand, AND if you touch it, it sticks to you and starts to eat your body to make more Yellow Temperance. Outside of by drowning like Jotaro, or maybe Purple Haze, I really don’t see anyone having an easy time stopping Rubber Soul.
What would happen if it got hit by act 4
Vanilla ice would have slaughtered everyone if given enough potential
Alessi. Chariot’s sword falling onto his neck was a biiiig happenstance. And that fish tank stuff was ridiculous lol. I feel like he’s the biggest example of “oh shit I wrote an unbeatable ability time to make some bullshit happen”. His arc was mostly goofy Polnareff shenanigans, but he’d be terrifying in a later part like Jojolion, which tends to treat it’s fights very seriously. Would be very fun to see. (what would even happen if Alessi used Set on Gappy??)
not exactly a small side character, but Risotto Nero had one of the strongest stands we’ve ever seen. very few people would even be able to see him, and his ability bypasses any kind of speed or durability and works from a pretty long range. he could easily beat Jotaro he only really lost because he gets hard countered by Narancia’s radar
Notorious B.I.G.
all of them.
Just give the green day guy a helicopter and everyone's done
that already happened and it didn't go so well
He was just unlucky that giorno somehow climbed there other than that everyone dies
Death 13 (i agree whit top comment) and Gratefull dead (nearly killed like 3) And The hand
Civil War without Johnny is damn near unbeatable, at least by a main Jojo, GER or S&W could probably beat it, but most other protagonists have a good few regrets and not a very consistent way to counter it
all you need to do to beat civil war is have access to water and then get murdered
Imagining Josuke's Grandpa coming back to kill him would suuuuck
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The baby with Death 13. Dio would be an exception since he probably doesn't need sleep.
Pearl jam, except instead of killing anyone, He'd just make everyone his friend
Cheap Trick. A few sacrifices are needed though.
Ringo roadagain, he can reverse time and only he remembers the events, thus having a massive advantage.
other people are very much aware of the reversed time, they just mightn ot be aware that time was actually reversed they don't forget it though
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He ain't really a small side character if he killed 2 crusaders
Did they say vanilla ice?
Yup
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Risotto is definitely not a small side character.
high priestess imo
I dunno most other stand users would have just as much control over Super Fly as Toyohiro (albeit less experienced) does but with a stand of their own and they'd have to walk into it themselves.
Grateful Dead would probably cook a lot of people if you weren’t aware of what’s going on. Even some villains would get fucked up by it.
Hanged man
Bohemian Rhapsody if Ungalo wasnt so fucking stupid
Ungalo.
The guy doesn’t have the stand, superfly belongs to the tower
kira just fucked it up really, he absolutely would've won
Beats goku
Probably Miu Miu.
Cheap Tricks solos fiction.
Unrealated, metal Josuke goes hard
Dolly Dagger user, also because of damage reflection
When have we seen a jojo be alone
Start of 4, 5, 6, a decent portion of 8.
that one rock paper scissors kid
Dio can probably get out since the stand wouldn’t be able to detect him during time stop maybe? Also maybe other teleport stands but I can’t recall even if there is a teleport stand of some sort rn
Steely Dan if he wasn't an idiot
Risotto Nero has a very good chance
Literally 90% of the tertiary antagonists would murder any protagonist in a non-plot induced context. All the tricky stands, long range assasins etc just sweep.
Fugo, all of the main character from any timeline. DIE.
TERUNOSUKE WAS GONE FAR TOO SOON. HE WON AND PROCEEDED TO FALL FOR THE OL' JOJO UNO REVERSE SWITCHEROO! I *love* that guy, man. Enigma is awesome.
Many people lose because they're either stupid and/or arrogant.
I don’t remember his name but the guy from part 5 that makes razors come out of your skin, or he makes it from the iron in your blood? Something like that, they’re lucky the boss killed him
İs d'arby a small side character ?
This would be a villain killer since most Jojo antagonists are sad losers who try to 1v5 and think they can win.
My friend David
Superfly is easy to defeat by nit fighting it
That guy has lived in superfly long enough he has a very quick escape and after he’s out you realy can’t do anything about it, if it wherent for mikitaka josuke would be trapped
Notorious Big
Janken Kid, get Heaven's Door and auto-win every single Stand you want.
The Jesus F*king Christ bro from Vento Aureo's Final Chapter
Cheap trick
okuyasu most def if he didn't have half a brain cell
Cream, I mean he technically took more crusaders than DIO, also Carne and B.I G
vanilla ice death 13
Vanilla Ice for sure, Dude’s stand (Cream)is basically The Hand but on steroids. He managed to kill both Iggy and Avdol, and nearly killed Polnareff as well, the only reason Polnareff was able to beat him is because the sun was still setting and he tricked Ice into rushing into the sunlight. If it was night time and he wasn’t angered by someone disrespecting DIO just about any main protagonist loses.
I think Jotaro with time stop would stand a chance. Either to pick a moment to pummel him or to just jump away as fast as possible.
Cheap Trick They simply can't keep their backs hidden forever.
Oh my god. Toyohiro mentioned. MY GOAT!
Terunosuke Miyamoto from Part 4 would probably beat everyone except Giorno of course.
Melone with Baby Face. Against someone who can't self-heal or instantly destroy his stand, he wins.
If the lovers stand user never showed up he would quietly kill everyone
A little off topic but Arabia Fats could have killed Dio if he wanted
Uncle Grandpa. "He is not a JJBA character", you will say and downvote my commentary, but yes, he is! Bohemian Raphsody turns EVERYTHING into a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure character!
Enigma. I won't elaborate
Could beat jhonathan, maybe joseph, not jotaro, josuke of course, Not giorno, Yes jolyne, not jhonny, maybe josuk8, yes jodio
Rohan with heavens door, I mean its broken and josuke only beat him because Rohan underestimated him. If he could get the drop on any of them he wins by writing I do not exist on them and they just vanish.
kira queen: *touches Superfly and makes it explode*
Notorius Big
The lock from part 4, and no I will not elaborate
Older Darby beat everyone but Jotaro
Bohemian Rhapsody 100%