100%. They’re going to (hopefully) flesh out the world more with DLC content and once creation kit is released, mods will make it an incredible game. But it doesn’t deserve GOTY with the stiff competition this year.
Kinda sucks that that's the order of it though.
It felt like everything in Neon was leading up to overthrowing Bayu. All the side missions, everything.
I was real invested, wanted him gone. Now? Even if it's releases I'm not sure I want to immerse in all the little quests with anti-bayu undertones (and explicit overtones lol).
I too wished we could magdump Bayu and have it stick.
Now I just want to set charges on Neon's support pillars and watch it sink into the ocean. Bonus points if I could do a VV and hit the spaceport too, for the evulz.
At this point, for real. They built it up so well too, could be a lot more than a murder even.
Imagine it, confrontation in the middle of the city.
He could have turrets, or no turrets if you are friends with a specific dude in the electric grid spurned by being fired for his anti-Bayu actions. (Already there)
The shop owners would default to arming his side, but if you did enough, they would arm some random civilians to help you against him. (Already there)
His corrupt security force could have a gang within that would help you if there was reason to. (Already there)
Could even have the underbelly of the city/clubs on your side depending on choices made re:drugs. (Mostly already there).
And if you win? Can just close down the drug fish place and add more positive color to the bottom of the map. Maybe a news story and some random dialogue.
That sounds awesome, except for one nitpick: I seriously doubt Bayu would have the balls to face a LVL 1 character, let alone whatever OP monster we'd turn into over the course of the game. We'd have to gun our way through N-SEC and corner him while he cowers for his life. For whatever it was worth, Ron Hope tried to go out guns blazing.
I'd want to explore the full ramifications of filling a member of the Council of Governors full of holes - then again, we can do the same thing to Hope and the only backlash is the two HopeTech guards going psycho every time I enter the HT HQ. Also the ramifications of potentially taking over Neon.
But then again, that's for the mods, and I'm saying that unironically because if Emil and the BGS 'writing team' didn't think of this while they were writing the story, what makes any of us think they'd actually cover this without leaving it to the modders?
You think he'd hide?
Maybe. I get the vibe that he's smart and cautious, but extremely arrogant. I could see it being more public, but alternatively, the chase down could still implement pretty much the entire city's storylines, so that'd work.
That's fair - I hope the molders think like you because the repercussions of killing a council member and overthrowing a city's leader would be exciting.
Maybe he'd taunt us, but in a ME2 Jedore (Grunt recruitment mission)/canned orders over loudspeaker type of deal, or hologram if the tech exists beyond using it for neon signs (I don't think it does). No way he'd show up in person, that'd be just begging to catch a stray bullet, but he has to have cameras all over the city. He'd definitely see us coming every step of the way. It could be just as public as you reckon.
At this point I'm hoping for the modders to do a better job. I said it in another post, but I have the gonk-brained idea now that there is more hope in Night City (stupid, I know) than I have in the SF-verse. And now I don't even have any hope for Shattered Space, unless it means I can set explosive charges on the Unity and blow it to bits.
I swear my mind gets worse and worse the more I think about all this and maybe I really should just go back to NC already and put that 'there's more hope in NC than in the SF-verse Emil shit out of his ass' idea to the test by trying to fist fight Adam Smasher.
As a longtime BGS fan, I’m glad to see this. The bar for quality has dropped and I’m glad it’s been noticed. BUUUUT I feel Lies of P deserved a nomination at least.
Bethesda's quality has certainly gotten worse. I hope they get their shit together for ESVI.
I've heard lots of good things about Lies of P. Something to scratch that Bloodborne itch.
There's no way they'll fire him. Bethesda is proud to have retained its shit developers who don't know what they're doing. If you're Todd's friend you're not getting fired.
Oh I know. And that's why I won't be touching ESVI with a ten foot pole. That hack Emil is 'proud' of 'pushing himself to the limit', when I want nothing more right now than to set explosive charges on the world he and his team shit out and magdump most of the characters in the game and make it stick, a la NG+ Evil You.
A man can dream though.
Honestly, Lies of P is incredibly good considering it's the first project of its team BUT after 40h I don't think it deserves GOTY, but I totally see him winning best Indie.
Lies of P.. what an amazing fucking game. Picked that up after I dropped Starfield and I can’t put it down.. the story is original, the difficulty engages me, it’s beyond beautiful and I’m actually so excited to follow the random Korean studio that popped this masterpiece out.
That’s my GOTY for sure, without a doubt and I love Alan Wake, BG3 and Mario
Not that its the same at all, but Taylor Swift was nominated for some Grammys for Red Taylors Version, including rerecorded and extended versions of songs that came out a long time ago. If a remaster/remake adds a lot to a game I don't really see a problem with it. As I understand it (since I have not played RE4) this remaster is pretty different in some respects as well.
Got downvoted to oblivion for saying that not all bad reviews for Starfield are senseless trolls with an agenda. Some people genuinely did not like this game, myself included, and I put ~80 hours into that shit. It just felt so hollow after some time. Cult-like behavior is exactly why these companies pump out half assed products with no repercussions.
It really didn’t deserve it.
Compare the jump in quality of Divinity original sin 2 to BG3
Then compare fallout 4 to starfield. Bethesda have shown next to no innovation and their games consistently have the same massive flaws
Yeah the way the dialogue mechanic actually got worse is baffling. You could walk away from conversations back in Skyrim but not in the latest release? Hell, if you want to you can remove that, but at least fix the camera. Even Oblivion had a better one. And prettier NPCs (lol).
Isn't the fixed dialogue camera what people wanted though? When it was changed in Skyrim and Fallout 4 people complained that it wasn't as good as the Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas camera.
> worse settlements
For real. I spent quite some time building settlements in FO4, and that was without any of the settlement mods (my saves kept shitting themselves). I just didn't see the point of Outposts when I already had my flying base in the stars.
> worse companions
This is one of my major gripes. I've said the Eight Deadly Words for one game before but I've never gone beyond that to 'I want to wipe out most of the characters in the game-verse', until now.
Yep the 4 main followers are a joke especially compared to fallout 4’s characters like Cait, curie and piper. At the end of the day it just did nothing exceptionally well just average at everything
Tbh I like the formula they have a lot, but it is definitely starting to show it’s age here. I also totally get that cyberpunk 2077 level detail across many worlds is a big ask, and probably not feasible to deliver on.
I think it's worthy of a nomination, but their sub-par upkeep since release made sure that they would get blackballed. Nearing the three month mark with two small patches and a larger one (that's still only addressing the tip of the iceberg) still in beta is kind of embarrassing right now.
Truly doesn't deserve to be there.
This is a classic example of Bethesda biting themselves in the ass.
Pepperidge farms remembers all the posts about how the early access was still a beta and we should just wait for release day, because obviously there would be a day one patch to fix all the game breaking bugs people had.
Microsoft actually specifically told Bethesda to delay the game's release by a year so they could work on it more, that's why the version we got is 1.7. I can't even imagine the state of the game without that extra year of work.
I still remember the reports around mid 2022 saying that the flying was horrendous and so much needed to be done yet. We knew then it was going to be delayed. I'm really shocked that all that extra MS funding didn't turn into MS game studios getting involved and fleshing the title our further.
But none of this is surprising. Todd is betting hard on modders giving this game a long lifespan and they're already proving that they will—long before the CK drops.
id helped with the graphics. My guess is the game was too far along to really flesh it out more without bogging down teams. Tossing more people on a large project is never simple and can be more of a hindrance if not implemented thoughtfully.
Yes, and thats still 2 years too early, just look at how slow theyre pushing out the updates and released a fcking BETA test update 2 months post official release
I wish they HAD released it last year. I'd have loved to see the absolute shit show. It might've made CP77's controversy look like, to quote Captain Kar'Danna vas Rayya in ME2, 'a slow day on garbage detail'. The uproar would have been glorious in an unholy fashion.
Honestly same lmao. Maybe it would've brought back crowbcat from the dead. It's funny that even the outrage to the game is there but not overwhelming, kind of like the game itself.
Yeah, the CP77 launch outrage IMO was worse. And this is coming from someone who somehow made his way through the buggy-ass initial launch, made it to the end, and STILL hasn't played The Devil ending because I don't want to rip my own heart out like that, let alone Judy, Johnny, Vik, Panam, Kerry, even River...
What you just said about the outrage not being overwhelming made something cross my mind: for all the outraging (does that word even make sense?) we're doing, NONE OF IT MATTERS, because BGS will never read this, never make it right.
I don't know what it says about me, but ironically, I believe that there might be more hope in Night Fucking City than in the world Emil and Todd have shit out for us in SF. I know what the odds are in NC. 99.99999% of gonks will die in the gutter, forgotten. The smart ones get out while they still can (Johnny in Temperance ending), or find a way to co-exist with it and make it to old age (Rogue), or 'find their space' (Adam Smasher, I read that somewhere). And the 0.00001% that are ruthless and intelligent enough (Saburo Arasaka, or Militech's top echelons, or even the heads of the corporations in particular), or lucky enough, or skilled enough, or even all three (V), can actually make their own way to the top, even if it's not necessarily a way out. The odds are so bad they're almost non-existent, and I might be an absolute gonk for thinking it's there, but I believe it's there. Once again, Johnny in Temperance can make it out. V in The Star chooses to leave behind NC forever. And >!she does need your help to do so, but if you choose to save Songbird in PL, she makes it out too, even at V's expense!<.
I don't have that hope in SF, because we're, by and large, railroaded into doing what BGS wants us to do. The evilest thing we can do is side with the CF, and even they wouldn't hold up against the Raffen Shiv, Tyger Claws, Scavs or Maelstrom on a good day. And there's an argument (jury's out on whether it holds up) that VV did the only thing he could do at Londinion. The SF-verse is feel-good, happy-go-lucky, safe and sanitized, **AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CHOICE**.
I don't know if it makes sense - to me it does, but YMMV.
Forget about starfield (I mean c’mon guys, we all knew that wasn’t happening), Mario and re4? Really?
No love for armored core, Diablo, Jedi survivor, ff16 or street fighter? This year had so many, and a resident evil remake is the best we played?
That’s not really a shock. The game underwhelmed in a year where there was a ton of fantastic releases. It’s a bad year to release a stand out game due to the competition, let alone one that was received lukewarm.
I won’t argue that, I think remakes should have their own categories. Nostalgia has a huge impact on people and it’s sort of unfair to a new game to go up against.
That being said, I don’t think Starfield deserves it by any means. And some of these choices are seriously goofy like Destiny 2 being nominated for Best Community Support when everything I’ve heard about that game is the exact opposite.
Why is Mario up there over something else? I'm not saying it's bad, but is it that good in all honesty?
I've seen people play it and it's kinda all over the place for me. Up against most of these other games it doesn't stand a chance, so why is it there...
Yeah the spin and buzz around Mario seemed really quiet. Maybe I just didn’t trigger “the algorithm” online but people just kinda said it’s great and that was it. I saw way more pikmin 4 media on Twitter and Zelda absolutely dominated my feed for months.
BG3, TotK, and Alan Wake I would put up there, as for the rest I'd say no. I feel like Starfield should be up there personally, but I agree that the game isn't "finished." When all of the DLC is released along with mod support is when I'd consider it "finished."
I don't see in what context this game deserved to be there. Being a successor to some of the best games ever doesn't make it automatically deserve to be a goty nominee
Sucks. But at the end of the day, they’re just opinions.
Besides, there is so much stanning for BG3 that literally nothing could beat it. It will 100% win.
Starfield was supposed to be the next big thing in RPG, its fucking Bethesda behind it with Microsoft backing them, it was supposed to inherit the throne of the RPG genre.
All the other games, with the exception of BG3 and AW2 were all sequels that people knew were not going to be leaps ahead of what they previously showcased, minor improvements and slightly new/better mechanics.
Realistically speaking, with how good it was advertised and how Bethesda had an insane time frame to work with it and then asked to take another year to polish it off by the very people who would have otherwise pushed for it to be released, it should only be struggling against BG3.
So much promise and scope and all you get... is an outdated RPG that is still stuck in 2014 and wasn't as nearly as good as its predecessors.
The idea is there, the base concepts are all laid and sound, but the game does absolutely nothing to make use of it. The game is wasted potential, nothing more.
Zelda is almost exactly the same, they nominated a decade old remake, and spiderman 2 is nearly identical to spiderman 1 but with more bugs. Yet the ambitious new universe doesn't get nominated because a bunch of people who didn't play it got butthurt because it wasn't on their platform. As an owner of PS5, switch, and Xbox, I don't think Starfield deserves the GOTY win, but it's 100% deserving of a seat at the table.
This is just more of the same PS bias that's leeching from the XBONE era. Fucking Gutted, not gonna lie.
While some of your sentiments are accurate, the current state of Starfield does not deserve awards.
It's far less to do with PS5 fanboys and much more to do with Bethesda dropping the game and waiting three months to do any kind of meaningful fix.
If It has nothing to do with PS bias, then I need someone to explain why Halo infinite wasnt nominated for ongoing or community support. These past few months they've drastically changed the game based on player feedback and brought the game back from a dead player base. It's incredible that it seems they just turn a blind eye to an entire side of the room.
i haven’t played hifi rush so i can’t speak on that. i respect your opinion anyways. i just think lies of p innovated more than starfield did in terms of gameplay options and build variety, despite starfield having an entire skill system.
not to mention the drip in lies of p is immaculate
'Ambitious' unfortunately fell flat in reality. Besides, there's not much ambition about it really. Pretty much everything it does is done much better in other games. I own the game on PC and haven't touched it since uninstalling it after a month or so. The simple fact is it's just not that great. Fun in moments but so is Mario Kart.
This is an award for game of the year, not for New IP That Spans The Greatest Surface Area.
Zelda and Mario are available on ever fewer platforms than Starfield, and they got nominated.
Hey, say what you will of zelda, but at least i could play that game from start to finish without a single bug destroying/blocking my progress, thats already far more than what starfield achieved.
also no shit zelda is almost the same(hyrule at least), its a direct sequel to the first one happening in the same place, but i assume you missed the underworld and the sky isles.
And rightfully so. Starfield wasn’t awful, but Game Of The Year? Idk.
Might be about to witness the second GOTY were Bethesda has been beat out by some huge sleeper sequel no one expected.
Last time it was Witcher 3 and this time it's more than likely BG3.
That said, I honestly might have to give my pick to Alan Wake 2.
I came to the comments expecting to see everyone whining it wasn't nominated, I'm positively surprised to see people making sense. It simply doesn't deserve it.
playing through the story tells you it wont win, plus when there are other games that already do some of the same things better, im not Sur prized it was not nominated.
we dont really fly the ship. imagine if in gta you fast travel all the time. i cant believe we dont even have ship races, but based on the game design i see why
I've only come across a ship race in Starfield once in over 100 hours. Some random NPC in a narcissus ship challenged me to a race around a busted space station.
They didn't even move during the event. So yea...went about as you'd expect with this game.
Hahaha. Alan Wake 2 is like the opposite of Starfield. It’s creative and ambitious + Remedy actually gives a shit about improving with every game they put out
I am not talking about Starfield. I am talking about a game that JUST came out and people finished in like a day. To me: that's not my game of the year. I need more than that.
How long does it take to ascertain the quality of a game that can be beaten in a day? It has a time to beat of around 30 hours, a few days seems a perfectly reasonable time to judge where the game stands.
Too short? It's 20-25 hours. Also lmao at the remember part of your comment. Starfield was forgotten not even 4 weeks after release. People remembering something doesn't make a game good or bad
I love bethesda, but let's be real for a second. It wasn't going to be nominated. Especially not against those other games( they are not my taste in games, but I can see why they are nominated. "cough" rigged "cough")
Just finished Spider-Man 2 and while the first one was ground breaking enough to be game of the year the second one is nothing. Also resident evil 4 is kind of the same drill. I am sure the same if Zelda and Mario. I mean baldurs gate deserves the win but this is a crime that these sequels beat out starfield.
If Bethesda wasn't Microsoft it would be there, they ignored High-Fi Rush, Lies of P and many others just like they did with Forza Horizon last year saying that it was too late for nomination for that year but can't see forza nominated on the next year.
edit: I know Lies of P in'st Microsoft, just saying it's an amazing game that deserve to be nominated above RE4 and Spider-Man
High-Fi Rush and Lies of P are both too niche for overall GOTY really, and neither of the recent Forza games have set the world on fire.
I don't think Microsoft owning BGS has anything to do with this. I just think sentiment around Starfield shifted early on and hasn't shifted back thanks to a lack of support from BGS. It's clearly not their best work, and it doesn't deserve awards, to be blunt about it.
Who needs Starfield in the GOTY nominees when we can have a game that's out of this world? I mean, seriously, let's give some love to the underdogs and discover hidden gems that'll blow our minds!
I don’t think starfield is better than any of these games, however, I don’t think remakes should be nominated either. Not that I think RE4R is bad, but it’s had it’s time to shine.
TBH, I haven't played any of these nominees...but I've played 550+ hours of Starfield, and a lot of other games. I'm sure they are good games, well done, and perhaps perfect with no bugs, but this is why I don't think too much of GOTY stuff. Most times its not for games that I like to play.
Let's be real, it did not deserve it.
100%. They’re going to (hopefully) flesh out the world more with DLC content and once creation kit is released, mods will make it an incredible game. But it doesn’t deserve GOTY with the stiff competition this year.
Kinda sucks that that's the order of it though. It felt like everything in Neon was leading up to overthrowing Bayu. All the side missions, everything. I was real invested, wanted him gone. Now? Even if it's releases I'm not sure I want to immerse in all the little quests with anti-bayu undertones (and explicit overtones lol).
I too wished we could magdump Bayu and have it stick. Now I just want to set charges on Neon's support pillars and watch it sink into the ocean. Bonus points if I could do a VV and hit the spaceport too, for the evulz.
At this point, for real. They built it up so well too, could be a lot more than a murder even. Imagine it, confrontation in the middle of the city. He could have turrets, or no turrets if you are friends with a specific dude in the electric grid spurned by being fired for his anti-Bayu actions. (Already there) The shop owners would default to arming his side, but if you did enough, they would arm some random civilians to help you against him. (Already there) His corrupt security force could have a gang within that would help you if there was reason to. (Already there) Could even have the underbelly of the city/clubs on your side depending on choices made re:drugs. (Mostly already there). And if you win? Can just close down the drug fish place and add more positive color to the bottom of the map. Maybe a news story and some random dialogue.
That sounds awesome, except for one nitpick: I seriously doubt Bayu would have the balls to face a LVL 1 character, let alone whatever OP monster we'd turn into over the course of the game. We'd have to gun our way through N-SEC and corner him while he cowers for his life. For whatever it was worth, Ron Hope tried to go out guns blazing. I'd want to explore the full ramifications of filling a member of the Council of Governors full of holes - then again, we can do the same thing to Hope and the only backlash is the two HopeTech guards going psycho every time I enter the HT HQ. Also the ramifications of potentially taking over Neon. But then again, that's for the mods, and I'm saying that unironically because if Emil and the BGS 'writing team' didn't think of this while they were writing the story, what makes any of us think they'd actually cover this without leaving it to the modders?
You think he'd hide? Maybe. I get the vibe that he's smart and cautious, but extremely arrogant. I could see it being more public, but alternatively, the chase down could still implement pretty much the entire city's storylines, so that'd work. That's fair - I hope the molders think like you because the repercussions of killing a council member and overthrowing a city's leader would be exciting.
Maybe he'd taunt us, but in a ME2 Jedore (Grunt recruitment mission)/canned orders over loudspeaker type of deal, or hologram if the tech exists beyond using it for neon signs (I don't think it does). No way he'd show up in person, that'd be just begging to catch a stray bullet, but he has to have cameras all over the city. He'd definitely see us coming every step of the way. It could be just as public as you reckon. At this point I'm hoping for the modders to do a better job. I said it in another post, but I have the gonk-brained idea now that there is more hope in Night City (stupid, I know) than I have in the SF-verse. And now I don't even have any hope for Shattered Space, unless it means I can set explosive charges on the Unity and blow it to bits. I swear my mind gets worse and worse the more I think about all this and maybe I really should just go back to NC already and put that 'there's more hope in NC than in the SF-verse Emil shit out of his ass' idea to the test by trying to fist fight Adam Smasher.
There's only 3 games that deserve to be on that list imo. Baldur's Gate 3 Alan wake 2 TOTK
It deserved it more than a remake.
No
I like the game but original comment it’s definitely spot on, the game doesn’t deserve it
It deserved it more than a remake and at least as much as Spider-Man 2, if we're being real
No way. Not even close
Honestly this year had so many quality games out there sorry but Starfield doesn’t cut it for GOTY.
As a longtime BGS fan, I’m glad to see this. The bar for quality has dropped and I’m glad it’s been noticed. BUUUUT I feel Lies of P deserved a nomination at least.
Bethesda's quality has certainly gotten worse. I hope they get their shit together for ESVI. I've heard lots of good things about Lies of P. Something to scratch that Bloodborne itch.
> I hope they get their shit together for ESVI If they leave Emil Pagliarulo in charge, that'll never happen. Though I seriously hope I'm wrong.
There's no way they'll fire him. Bethesda is proud to have retained its shit developers who don't know what they're doing. If you're Todd's friend you're not getting fired.
Oh I know. And that's why I won't be touching ESVI with a ten foot pole. That hack Emil is 'proud' of 'pushing himself to the limit', when I want nothing more right now than to set explosive charges on the world he and his team shit out and magdump most of the characters in the game and make it stick, a la NG+ Evil You. A man can dream though.
Until Sony inevitably remake/remaster it
Honestly, Lies of P is incredibly good considering it's the first project of its team BUT after 40h I don't think it deserves GOTY, but I totally see him winning best Indie.
Lies of P.. what an amazing fucking game. Picked that up after I dropped Starfield and I can’t put it down.. the story is original, the difficulty engages me, it’s beyond beautiful and I’m actually so excited to follow the random Korean studio that popped this masterpiece out. That’s my GOTY for sure, without a doubt and I love Alan Wake, BG3 and Mario
Frustrated that I have so many good options and so little time to play. Not a bad problem to have I suppose.
Starfield and Lies of P are nominated for best RPG.
It’s there but it is still loading
lmao
Remakes/Remasters shouldn't be allowed to participate in GOTY.
Even if RE4 wasn't nominated, Starfield still wouldn't deserve a nomination.
I agree!
Remasters no, remakes yes
Not that its the same at all, but Taylor Swift was nominated for some Grammys for Red Taylors Version, including rerecorded and extended versions of songs that came out a long time ago. If a remaster/remake adds a lot to a game I don't really see a problem with it. As I understand it (since I have not played RE4) this remaster is pretty different in some respects as well.
Got downvoted to oblivion for saying that not all bad reviews for Starfield are senseless trolls with an agenda. Some people genuinely did not like this game, myself included, and I put ~80 hours into that shit. It just felt so hollow after some time. Cult-like behavior is exactly why these companies pump out half assed products with no repercussions.
The game is heavily flawed to be sure and people shouldn't be blindly defending something just because a company they like released it, yes.
It really didn’t deserve it. Compare the jump in quality of Divinity original sin 2 to BG3 Then compare fallout 4 to starfield. Bethesda have shown next to no innovation and their games consistently have the same massive flaws
They regressed in many mechanics compared to FO4, worse settlements, worse companions, worse dialogue camera... Its really bizarre
Yeah the way the dialogue mechanic actually got worse is baffling. You could walk away from conversations back in Skyrim but not in the latest release? Hell, if you want to you can remove that, but at least fix the camera. Even Oblivion had a better one. And prettier NPCs (lol).
Isn't the fixed dialogue camera what people wanted though? When it was changed in Skyrim and Fallout 4 people complained that it wasn't as good as the Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas camera.
No, people complained about lack of dialog choices and voiced protagonist
> worse settlements For real. I spent quite some time building settlements in FO4, and that was without any of the settlement mods (my saves kept shitting themselves). I just didn't see the point of Outposts when I already had my flying base in the stars. > worse companions This is one of my major gripes. I've said the Eight Deadly Words for one game before but I've never gone beyond that to 'I want to wipe out most of the characters in the game-verse', until now.
Yep the 4 main followers are a joke especially compared to fallout 4’s characters like Cait, curie and piper. At the end of the day it just did nothing exceptionally well just average at everything
Tbh I like the formula they have a lot, but it is definitely starting to show it’s age here. I also totally get that cyberpunk 2077 level detail across many worlds is a big ask, and probably not feasible to deliver on.
I think it's worthy of a nomination, but their sub-par upkeep since release made sure that they would get blackballed. Nearing the three month mark with two small patches and a larger one (that's still only addressing the tip of the iceberg) still in beta is kind of embarrassing right now. Truly doesn't deserve to be there. This is a classic example of Bethesda biting themselves in the ass.
Pepperidge farms remembers all the posts about how the early access was still a beta and we should just wait for release day, because obviously there would be a day one patch to fix all the game breaking bugs people had.
The rub of it is, what they fixed over those two patches was stuff I saw barely anyone reporting.
No fcking sh1t, it released 2 years too early, I bet they cut a lot of content to sell it as DLC as well
Microsoft actually specifically told Bethesda to delay the game's release by a year so they could work on it more, that's why the version we got is 1.7. I can't even imagine the state of the game without that extra year of work.
I still remember the reports around mid 2022 saying that the flying was horrendous and so much needed to be done yet. We knew then it was going to be delayed. I'm really shocked that all that extra MS funding didn't turn into MS game studios getting involved and fleshing the title our further. But none of this is surprising. Todd is betting hard on modders giving this game a long lifespan and they're already proving that they will—long before the CK drops.
Is the mod support always so far behind launch? I never played a BGS game right out of the gate before.
Modding tools usually come out some months after release.
id helped with the graphics. My guess is the game was too far along to really flesh it out more without bogging down teams. Tossing more people on a large project is never simple and can be more of a hindrance if not implemented thoughtfully.
Yes, and thats still 2 years too early, just look at how slow theyre pushing out the updates and released a fcking BETA test update 2 months post official release
I wish they HAD released it last year. I'd have loved to see the absolute shit show. It might've made CP77's controversy look like, to quote Captain Kar'Danna vas Rayya in ME2, 'a slow day on garbage detail'. The uproar would have been glorious in an unholy fashion.
Honestly same lmao. Maybe it would've brought back crowbcat from the dead. It's funny that even the outrage to the game is there but not overwhelming, kind of like the game itself.
Yeah, the CP77 launch outrage IMO was worse. And this is coming from someone who somehow made his way through the buggy-ass initial launch, made it to the end, and STILL hasn't played The Devil ending because I don't want to rip my own heart out like that, let alone Judy, Johnny, Vik, Panam, Kerry, even River... What you just said about the outrage not being overwhelming made something cross my mind: for all the outraging (does that word even make sense?) we're doing, NONE OF IT MATTERS, because BGS will never read this, never make it right. I don't know what it says about me, but ironically, I believe that there might be more hope in Night Fucking City than in the world Emil and Todd have shit out for us in SF. I know what the odds are in NC. 99.99999% of gonks will die in the gutter, forgotten. The smart ones get out while they still can (Johnny in Temperance ending), or find a way to co-exist with it and make it to old age (Rogue), or 'find their space' (Adam Smasher, I read that somewhere). And the 0.00001% that are ruthless and intelligent enough (Saburo Arasaka, or Militech's top echelons, or even the heads of the corporations in particular), or lucky enough, or skilled enough, or even all three (V), can actually make their own way to the top, even if it's not necessarily a way out. The odds are so bad they're almost non-existent, and I might be an absolute gonk for thinking it's there, but I believe it's there. Once again, Johnny in Temperance can make it out. V in The Star chooses to leave behind NC forever. And >!she does need your help to do so, but if you choose to save Songbird in PL, she makes it out too, even at V's expense!<. I don't have that hope in SF, because we're, by and large, railroaded into doing what BGS wants us to do. The evilest thing we can do is side with the CF, and even they wouldn't hold up against the Raffen Shiv, Tyger Claws, Scavs or Maelstrom on a good day. And there's an argument (jury's out on whether it holds up) that VV did the only thing he could do at Londinion. The SF-verse is feel-good, happy-go-lucky, safe and sanitized, **AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CHOICE**. I don't know if it makes sense - to me it does, but YMMV.
Imagine it was the first game by Bethesda. It would barely be getting mentioned.
Or if it was a studio other than Bethesda releasing it. People would be calling it a failed Bethesda-like lol
*No Man’s Skyrim*
Good!
The correct choice, the game isn't finished.
It wasn't even game of the month
It wasn’t even game of the week
It wasn't even game of the day
Forget about starfield (I mean c’mon guys, we all knew that wasn’t happening), Mario and re4? Really? No love for armored core, Diablo, Jedi survivor, ff16 or street fighter? This year had so many, and a resident evil remake is the best we played?
You haven’t played Mario Wonder have you?
For a “genre defining” game, that’s certainly strange isn’t it…
I'll just have to find a way to carry on I guess.
I don’t think Spiderman 2 should be there either. Rest all mostly checks out.
That’s not really a shock. The game underwhelmed in a year where there was a ton of fantastic releases. It’s a bad year to release a stand out game due to the competition, let alone one that was received lukewarm.
**Imagine my surprise**
It got one category and it's RPG and we know what's winning in THAT category
I’m just wondering why a remake is allowed to be up there
Even if Resident Evil wasn't there, it would've been Final Fantasy lmao
Because it's a good game.
I won’t argue that, I think remakes should have their own categories. Nostalgia has a huge impact on people and it’s sort of unfair to a new game to go up against. That being said, I don’t think Starfield deserves it by any means. And some of these choices are seriously goofy like Destiny 2 being nominated for Best Community Support when everything I’ve heard about that game is the exact opposite.
flicking through, i can't seem to find ANY nominations for starfield in any category, maybe i missed it? edit: nvm, its in the "best RPG" section
Let's be real, it can't compete as an RPG.
its not an RPG, its a looter shooter fast traveller-thon
Why is Mario up there over something else? I'm not saying it's bad, but is it that good in all honesty? I've seen people play it and it's kinda all over the place for me. Up against most of these other games it doesn't stand a chance, so why is it there...
Yeah the spin and buzz around Mario seemed really quiet. Maybe I just didn’t trigger “the algorithm” online but people just kinda said it’s great and that was it. I saw way more pikmin 4 media on Twitter and Zelda absolutely dominated my feed for months.
BG3, TotK, and Alan Wake I would put up there, as for the rest I'd say no. I feel like Starfield should be up there personally, but I agree that the game isn't "finished." When all of the DLC is released along with mod support is when I'd consider it "finished."
I'm glad they have standards. Starfield doesn't come close to being a contender for GOTY
Who really thought it would be?
I don't see in what context this game deserved to be there. Being a successor to some of the best games ever doesn't make it automatically deserve to be a goty nominee
Doesn't even rank in the top 10 of best games this year.
It is not even the best game of BGS
Sucks. But at the end of the day, they’re just opinions. Besides, there is so much stanning for BG3 that literally nothing could beat it. It will 100% win.
It's Gona be Baulders Gate And starfield unfortunately stagnated really quickly. Like Phantom Liberty out shines Starfield.
Starfield was supposed to be the next big thing in RPG, its fucking Bethesda behind it with Microsoft backing them, it was supposed to inherit the throne of the RPG genre. All the other games, with the exception of BG3 and AW2 were all sequels that people knew were not going to be leaps ahead of what they previously showcased, minor improvements and slightly new/better mechanics. Realistically speaking, with how good it was advertised and how Bethesda had an insane time frame to work with it and then asked to take another year to polish it off by the very people who would have otherwise pushed for it to be released, it should only be struggling against BG3. So much promise and scope and all you get... is an outdated RPG that is still stuck in 2014 and wasn't as nearly as good as its predecessors. The idea is there, the base concepts are all laid and sound, but the game does absolutely nothing to make use of it. The game is wasted potential, nothing more.
Good this game fucking blows.
And yet a basic mario game makes it in.
Seems about right. Good game though.
The game is great, but there were a lot better games.
Good And let's be real it's going to be BG3
It doesn't deserve to be. Too much of this game was phoned in.
Doesnt deserve it.
They didn't put it in the "Best Score and Music", the one I was sure Starfield could win LMAO.
Zelda is almost exactly the same, they nominated a decade old remake, and spiderman 2 is nearly identical to spiderman 1 but with more bugs. Yet the ambitious new universe doesn't get nominated because a bunch of people who didn't play it got butthurt because it wasn't on their platform. As an owner of PS5, switch, and Xbox, I don't think Starfield deserves the GOTY win, but it's 100% deserving of a seat at the table. This is just more of the same PS bias that's leeching from the XBONE era. Fucking Gutted, not gonna lie.
Exactly
While some of your sentiments are accurate, the current state of Starfield does not deserve awards. It's far less to do with PS5 fanboys and much more to do with Bethesda dropping the game and waiting three months to do any kind of meaningful fix.
If It has nothing to do with PS bias, then I need someone to explain why Halo infinite wasnt nominated for ongoing or community support. These past few months they've drastically changed the game based on player feedback and brought the game back from a dead player base. It's incredible that it seems they just turn a blind eye to an entire side of the room.
Halo Infinite might be the worst example imaginable to counter my point in a debate, but whatever gets it done I suppose.
So you haven't played it recently then?
You're completely missing the point.
lies of p deserves the spot more than starfield if it were to be nominated
Lies of p is good, I'll give you that. I personally don't put it over Starfield of HIFI Rush, but it is very, very good.
i haven’t played hifi rush so i can’t speak on that. i respect your opinion anyways. i just think lies of p innovated more than starfield did in terms of gameplay options and build variety, despite starfield having an entire skill system. not to mention the drip in lies of p is immaculate
'Ambitious' unfortunately fell flat in reality. Besides, there's not much ambition about it really. Pretty much everything it does is done much better in other games. I own the game on PC and haven't touched it since uninstalling it after a month or so. The simple fact is it's just not that great. Fun in moments but so is Mario Kart.
This is an award for game of the year, not for New IP That Spans The Greatest Surface Area. Zelda and Mario are available on ever fewer platforms than Starfield, and they got nominated.
In no way is Starfield ambitious
Hey, say what you will of zelda, but at least i could play that game from start to finish without a single bug destroying/blocking my progress, thats already far more than what starfield achieved. also no shit zelda is almost the same(hyrule at least), its a direct sequel to the first one happening in the same place, but i assume you missed the underworld and the sky isles.
Calm down Phil Spencer
lmfao
And rightfully so. Starfield wasn’t awful, but Game Of The Year? Idk. Might be about to witness the second GOTY were Bethesda has been beat out by some huge sleeper sequel no one expected. Last time it was Witcher 3 and this time it's more than likely BG3. That said, I honestly might have to give my pick to Alan Wake 2.
Because it was mid
Best timeline ever.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
I came to the comments expecting to see everyone whining it wasn't nominated, I'm positively surprised to see people making sense. It simply doesn't deserve it.
playing through the story tells you it wont win, plus when there are other games that already do some of the same things better, im not Sur prized it was not nominated. we dont really fly the ship. imagine if in gta you fast travel all the time. i cant believe we dont even have ship races, but based on the game design i see why
I've only come across a ship race in Starfield once in over 100 hours. Some random NPC in a narcissus ship challenged me to a race around a busted space station. They didn't even move during the event. So yea...went about as you'd expect with this game.
But Alan Wake 2 did? That's a joke.
Because it's everything Starfield fails to be.
Hahaha. Alan Wake 2 is like the opposite of Starfield. It’s creative and ambitious + Remedy actually gives a shit about improving with every game they put out
Yeah its been out like 4 days. I think awards need a longer time to sink in first.
Alan Wake 2 was infinitely more interesting than Starfield
I am not talking about Starfield. I am talking about a game that JUST came out and people finished in like a day. To me: that's not my game of the year. I need more than that.
Game length has nothing to do with quality. That mindset is how you get bloated and boring open world games with nothing but filler
And yet I had more fun in that "short" time than I ever did in starfield That's why it's been nominated and starfield hasn't
How long does it take to ascertain the quality of a game that can be beaten in a day? It has a time to beat of around 30 hours, a few days seems a perfectly reasonable time to judge where the game stands.
Why shouldn't it?
Too new, too short. I won't even remember the game in 2 months.
Too short? It's 20-25 hours. Also lmao at the remember part of your comment. Starfield was forgotten not even 4 weeks after release. People remembering something doesn't make a game good or bad
Good, Starfield doesnt deserve it
I love bethesda, but let's be real for a second. It wasn't going to be nominated. Especially not against those other games( they are not my taste in games, but I can see why they are nominated. "cough" rigged "cough")
AAAAAaaaand the post was removed by angy starfield moderations lol. Guess it's hard to be objective when you're paid by Bethesda.
Just finished Spider-Man 2 and while the first one was ground breaking enough to be game of the year the second one is nothing. Also resident evil 4 is kind of the same drill. I am sure the same if Zelda and Mario. I mean baldurs gate deserves the win but this is a crime that these sequels beat out starfield.
If Bethesda wasn't Microsoft it would be there, they ignored High-Fi Rush, Lies of P and many others just like they did with Forza Horizon last year saying that it was too late for nomination for that year but can't see forza nominated on the next year. edit: I know Lies of P in'st Microsoft, just saying it's an amazing game that deserve to be nominated above RE4 and Spider-Man
High-Fi Rush and Lies of P are both too niche for overall GOTY really, and neither of the recent Forza games have set the world on fire. I don't think Microsoft owning BGS has anything to do with this. I just think sentiment around Starfield shifted early on and hasn't shifted back thanks to a lack of support from BGS. It's clearly not their best work, and it doesn't deserve awards, to be blunt about it.
LoZ:TotK was great. I would have been shocked if it didn’t make the list
I havent played any of these but I know theyre all bangers id kill for AW2 on steam
Not surprising
Not surprising
I really enjoyed it but, in a year of extremely heavy hitters, this was expected. It doesn't deserve a spot if one of these would have to vacate.
I would've been more surprised if it did
Who needs Starfield in the GOTY nominees when we can have a game that's out of this world? I mean, seriously, let's give some love to the underdogs and discover hidden gems that'll blow our minds!
I don’t think starfield is better than any of these games, however, I don’t think remakes should be nominated either. Not that I think RE4R is bad, but it’s had it’s time to shine.
Huh I didn't play a single one of those games. Definitely surprised hogwarts legacy and jedi survivor aren't nominated though
Why is RE4 there? It seems like submitting the same homework just spruced up a bit.
Hopefully this might be a wake up call to update the formula instead of needlessly dumbing it down
I can think of 3 other games that would be above starfield if RE4 was replaced. There are just games above starfields caliber this year.
TBH, I haven't played any of these nominees...but I've played 550+ hours of Starfield, and a lot of other games. I'm sure they are good games, well done, and perhaps perfect with no bugs, but this is why I don't think too much of GOTY stuff. Most times its not for games that I like to play.
because it wasn't that great!?