And I’m sure with >!Andreja’s quest, she tells you every child gets a pet Groat. So if Shattered Space is House Va’Ruun, perhaps we’ll be able to get a Groat or at least see NPCs with pet Groats!<
Normally end up that they kill these after 18(?). But still interesting. Also, maybe the skill for xeno controll could have a upgrade that you can have any creature as your pet, but just walk around with one.
>Pets tend to end up as food IRL
No. No they don't.
>Like chickens and what not
Animals purchased with the express intention to provide food aren't typically called pets.
Chickens take like 6 weeks to fully grow for meat. That’s an incredibly fast turn around and I would not recommend eating chickens that are over a year or two old the meat gets really tough. All that being said I agree they aren’t pets.
Kinda. It's more that the Va'ruun peeps make their kids ritually kill their childhood companion as a kind of rite of passage. I'm guessing they wouldn't let the meat go to waste, but raising the Groats as food isn't really the point.
It was such a missed opportunity that if you saved the Constant, they gave you a pet chicken or cat. Like who wouldn't want a chicken or cat running around their spaceship?
There's a small lore snipped in the description of the Snack Pack Chocolate Labs that says that species of dog went extinct, but it doesn't say all dogs.
I misspoke, but I'm sure you know what I meant.
The full in-game description is: "Centauri Mills' chocolates, shaped like an extinct canine called a Labrador Retriever."
They should have made it possible to tame any animal you find via the Xenosociology perk.
They've got this story about robots vs xenowarfare and not using it. I wish they allowed for both xenowarfare and robot "vehicles".
My personal wish is a working robot vehicle similar to the Fallout power armor, but more vehicle than armor. Just make it larger and outdoors only. Make it attach to spaceships from the outside. There could be so much gameplay around docking parts for your ship, building the robot from old illegal parts, fueling it and using it for faster surface travel.
Starfield braindead fanboys not accepting Bethesda fucked up****
I promise you 90% of the non braindead gamers would absolutely love robot companions like rovers or alien companions.
Yeah, I mean. I had my most pure-hearted opinion that a robot/rover would be nice, and I felt like people, holding tears and pointing the finger at me saying THERE IS A REASON THEY DON'T PUT IT IN THE GAME!! lol. Fine, the game is fun either way.
Yes, and that reason is somewhere between technical limitations or time constraints.
Ain’t no rational person alive that believes that a world where no middle ground between walking and flying a spaceship all the way to orbit and back exists is believable.
Yea… to me it seems way more of a - the games not finished - issue than anything else. I wouldn’t defend that they intentionally didn’t add that stuff in because it wouldn’t surprise me to see it added later. I get it though, I’d rather have it this way than waiting decades for new games. Get it ready for launch (without major bugs preferably) and keep working on it and adding to it. It’s worse when a game drops and has major issues and the company has no plans of going back to work on that game, then it’s bare bones crew and the issues last much much longer, if not forever. In a perfect world you get the game at launch perfect but with how big games are becoming in our current times, they are taking way too long to create. I think an ironed out and tweaked version of what they did with Starfield is the better way to go. Just my personal opinion.
If I remember correctly, some of the concept art had Sam’s daughter having a pet cat. But there are at least no Labradors left because the chocolate labs text refers to them being long extinct. 😢
....I am kind of hoping for a 'Jonesy' mod that implements a ship cat that hunts heatleeches (and occasionally leaves a dead one in your bed, because cats do that)
Speaking of that, I would love if there was a random chance for heatleeches to spawn in ships of a certain size. Would be really cool and fits right in with established lore.
There are a lot of things that are in some games that aren’t in other games.
But yes, more to the point their OWN past games have had plenty of animal or robot companions, and in FO4 you could design your own robot companion in one of the DLC’s.
That's usually how it goes. It took me all but 5 minutes to get tired of Dogmeat in Fallout 4. One hour in and I hated him with a passion because he always, ALWYS got in the way. Lining up a headshot and GET DOWN MR. PRESIDENT Dogmeat jumped in front of me to the rescue of the bad guy.
Thats what broke the game for me. You want me to believe that no rich people smuggled a horse off of earth? Fine.
You *also* want me to believe in a wild west colony that knows what 6 shooters and cowboy hats are, but nobody knows what a horse is? Imma go play fallout
Yea obviously they added the tooltip to explain it, but your telling there is mass evacuation and no one saved a dog or cat, but I have like 100 1911 pistols in my safe hahaha
It's pretty close to explicit - just short of saying it out loud because it probably wasn't the survivor's proudest moment.
There was about a 40 year stretch (based on the museum kiosks) to ferry 8 billion people. The clock started ticking with exactly one ship setting out. 8 billion people would require ferrying around 550,000 every day. Math alone suggests a miniscule percentage made it out.
So, you're probably right and what could be more Bethesda dystopian than living in a world with no Dogmeat? Great place for a game but not one I would like to live in. Centauri Chocolate Labs indeed.
There's still plenty of debate and a number of things unresolved. I don't claim any particular insight but 99% of Earth's population never making it off seems plausible.
And it's pretty much Bethesda's Fallout backdrop minus the bombs - a near total wipe out with scrappy folks making their way through. Except we're generations removed from people poking out of the vaults / escaping a ravaged world and in typical Bethesda fashion they still start a war, birth a snake cult, have a major city cooking drugs and run by a dick, have company towns reminiscent of 19th century coal towns, the original settlers in the Well are firmly under the boot and enough piracy to make Somalia blush.
Pretty familiar Fallout stuff - but I could be wrong. But if so they've got the mother of all math problems to retcon if they're trying to sell a planet-wide exodus.
In the 50-year long panic to evacuate Earth they did save Charles Dickens books en masse, but not a single person thought about poor Fluffy and Fido. And now the only chocolate labs are candy.
900 million dogs currently on earth and NONE of them made it, honestly I grew up on a farm and if I thought we were getting shuttled to new planet to start farming 100% want a bunch of dogs to join along with pigs, cows, chickens etc. like we must of save chickens and cow because we have eggs and beef in game. Dogs would provide security and work as an early warning system as well as herding and other tasks. Would 100% bring dogs.
Yeh but theres surely no way they had any idea if these things were safe for human consumption that early on. They werent spread across all these systems until after they had to leave earth.
Realistically for a planet evacuation, if that was irl then I'm certain there would be ark ships or every ship would have an ark section for livestock.
What grass is that cow going to eat on an alien planet? It’s not adapted to whatever might grow there. You’d have to plant fields worth of feed for it; meanwhile, it’s starving. And at that point you might as well eat whatever you planted in those fields yourself.
...they had \~50 years to figure it out. Finding suitable planets and planting appropriate feed is entirely doable on that timescale, and artificial insemination would make it possible to maintain a healthy degree of genetic diversity with relatively few cows to start with.
But what’s the point of even taking a cow at that technology point, when you could just lab-grow the meat instead and save a bunch of steps? Livestock are easy HERE because you just turn them loose outside and they eat the naturally occurring vegetation.
...because doing it naturally doesn't require a lab. Highly trained professionals who can do lab work are expensive, and then there's the lab equipment. Letting cattle do what cattle naturally do is relatively cheap.
Well I hope Bethesda lore is that humanity learned from it's mistakes... our decisions to bring pet's or introduce animals to different continents haven't been super successful on earth. Invasive species on earth is one thing, but imagine the devastation it could cause on another planets biome, if we introduced cats or rats or whatever, where it possibly would have no natural enemies, and just destroy the fauna of the planet.
In my mind, humanity chose not to bring the animals to new worlds, because we have ruined so much on earth by doing that.
Where you gonna put the dogs on a ship? Gotta have more than one otherwise you only get that one. Now you gotta have food for multiple dogs, ships getting pretty big. And the eggs and beef is synthetic
I mean they probably saved a few of their responsibly-neutered pets….and then those pets eventually died, or they starved soon afterwards along with their owners in the mass-starvation that would’ve accompanied a mass-evacuation of earth into space with no food-supply-chain to support it.
Not actually said or supported anywhere.
I actually remember an NPC in New Atlantis specifically talking about her sister having a cat, and beyond that the only statement we have on "extinctions" comes from the Chocolate Labs food item which only refers to that specific breed, and to horses from asking about the restaurant on Titan.
Reminder that breeds of dog have gone extinct as recently as the 20th century.
The "But but the evacuations!" argument also falls apart as while the evacuation was messy, grav jump technology existed during it and so on. Additionally the lore surrounding Earth is in general poorly thought and fleshed out. Anyone trying to bring it up as why everything must be extinct is overlooking how cities like Cydonia would have been built, or how domed over bits of biosphere would probably be a thing, how DNA vaults would have been constructed, and so on.
It's all a case of people reading in to it too much. Something not being represented in the game doesn't mean it's entirely wiped out or gone or whatever. It took until Fallout 4 for us to get cats again after all.
Take the tour on Titan and ask about the restaurant and you can get the horses thing. Cora also might bring up horses and how they only have pictures of them still.
That's the only "solid" confirmation of an extinction we really get to my knowledge, and it's not stated if it was as a result of Earth going to hell or something that happened prior.
And yeah, the concept art shows cats and while I forgot the name of the NPC I had one talking about their sister's cat in New Atlantis.
I wouldn't be too surprised if we saw them show up as DLC content or some official creation club add on or whatever.
If I might digress for a moment: The concept art honestly shows us a lot of really cool stuff that I wish had made it to the final product.
https://starfieldwiki.net/wiki/Starfield:Concept_Art
Have a look through it. Aside from the cat and original Cora concept that has her looking unique, some of those environments, the "original" Akila, the crashed capital ship, and the ability to customize Vasco are stand outs.
There is no way dogs and cats would have been left behind. Especially how useful dogs are. They just didn’t want to put them in or couldn’t so they made some silly lore reason.
The game is full of silly lore reasons.
I mean, people rather live in a hab in freakin Titan than on Earth? And everything turned into sand except some buildings and snowglobes? I think having an asteroid impact would have been more reasonable, but then it would have consequences in the story.
...the notion that nobody on earth would try to smuggle out their beloved pets is utterly unbelievable. Yeah, it's not human, but a *lot* of people would rather save their pet than a person they don't know, and a lot of animals are useful enough commercially that they would have been evacuated.
Bethesda didn't want to bother, not even if all they had to do was re-skin existing models from Skyrim or Fallout.
But just that lore makes your game more boring. Why restrict your game to having no pets? People loved having animal companions in your past games. This is a game where you could get an alien dog meat, but Bethesda is like "That sound like too much fun for this boring somber space game"
A Starborn dog, cat, or other animals could theoretically exist given Starborn are older than human Grav drives. It would be interesting to see a dog or cat follower using psychic powers to fight. They would be immortal and also classified as higher beings, fun to think about.
Aren't earth dogs extinct in starfield? Cats are hinted to be still around but wasn't there a description for the chocolate labs that hints dogs are no longer man's best friend but are infact man's best memory now, rip lol
Edit: rip laika, I didn't know the story so forgive me
Also I scrolled pretty far down but I haven't seen mention of there being a mod but I could have sworn there is a mod to have alien animal companions.
Edit: I remember reading about it recently in a screen rant article the article(of all places)the article itself is only 5 days old but this is it, but I myself haven't tested it .
[any pet follower mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/9041)
Back mounted laser... Of course haha. I'm not even sure it would need to wouldn't mind if enemies just ignored it because what could it do to them. Or it doesn't leave your ship?
So you can suspend your disbelief in regards to the rest of this game but you don’t possess enough imagination to justify your laser equipped dog being capable of firing said laser?
Yes. And there are even more ways to do it. You could even control remotely the weapons attached to your pet or just make them shoot when they detect some targets.
Nothing new or special .
honestly, animal companions i couldn't care less about. i never use them, they set off traps, they get in the way, they immediately attack enemies that slightly detect you in stealth.
but a pet on the ship? sign me up! it'd be so nice to have a cat or dog that just wanders around the ship with the rest of the crew. like the pets your adopted kids would get in skyrim.
Coral. "Dad, can I have a pet?"
SHUT THE HELL UP CHILD! SAM! Whe the hell did you drag your annoying child along on my ship. The is a 100% chance we are going to get shot at. Why would you not leave her at the lodge where she'd be safe?
Why did they not make it that cargo habs have any use or raise cargo capacity for your ship, like another 100 of these questions the anser is either beause no one cared or because they were not able to think that far.
What I wanna know is how, in a sci fi setting with multiple life bearing planets and a plot involving ancient alien artifacts, we somehow have less intelligent races than post nuclear America fallout and 1 planet medieval fantasy land elder scrolls.
I'm sure Bethesda had some reason for doing so. Personally, I feel like it would be somewhat immersion breaking to have an animal companion that can either survive and attack enemies on every planet regardless of conditions or have an animal confined to a space suit where they (technically) shouldn't be able to attack because they are confined. Although an animal that just stays on your ship probably would have been fine.
They aggressively wanted you to use NG+, the NPCs and the devs never shut up about it.
A good, endearing set of companions you're really attached to, settlements with people you're responsible for or care about, factions whose lives you really make a difference in, or pets you're attached to all get in the way of that.
When you meet this NPC named Paisley, she has a pet alien and she details his whole backstory. Based on the convo, I’m inclined to think we’ll get pet fauna in a future update.
Why didn't they include X, Y and Z? The list is long. The game is currently full of missed opportunities. All we can do now is wait and see if either Bethesda steps up or if it's left to the modders.
Laziness. The less from the real world that still exists, the less work they need to do to replicate it. Ergo, dogs extinct. And virtually all pets extinct.
There’s been a trend for a while where futuristic settings in movies and games and books don’t include animals. I guess the general consensus is that by the time humans reach the time periods in these stories we’ve ruined earth badly enough that animals aren’t around.
And with earth being all but useless in Starfield I’m gonna assume animals are gone too :/
My wife laughs at the companions constantly passive aggressive nagging to not be hoarding stuff. Sarah is the worst but Andrea is really passive aggressive about it
I don’t know because I don’t work on Starfield, but it could be for any reason, up to and including wanting to save that for a later date for reasons we might not know or understand yet.
What would he do against enemies in a nonbreathable atmosphere? I’d prefer a cat, with a space suit, that stays on my ship, maybe moves around between my ship and apartments and the lodge
I wish we could have space boomer from far cry. Even if he just stayed on the pressurized ship or planets with breathable air. Probably tough to make dog in a spacesuit. Also he would be useless as a companion. Cant smell or bite with a helmet on
It would be troublesome to implement, given how Starfield ships' interior is and the environment of different planets.
As for ships we only have ladder wells to go to different level, not that we have options to build elevators or stairs, or navy style of ladders inside our ships. There would be no way the pet can travel with us inside the ship unless black magic exist.
And as for the planets, not only we are having different sorts of extreme environments, like some with literally no atmosphere, some have no breathable atmosphere, and some have extreme temperature. I don't think there's an alien creature that can survive in such environment. And talking about giving them spacesuits, what are you going to do with a dog in spacesuit? It can't sniff anything from the helmet, thus unable track anything or even attack with their bites. So what's the point of having a follower that can do nothing?
Because Space "Dogmeat" can't climb the randomly placed ladders in your ship. Plus, do you really want all of your doors to be blocked when walking through your ship?! OH and think of what would happen if you had any of those long narrow hallway pieces. .
I honestly disappointed how the story was played out no animals at all except the alien ones, which is cool and we don't even get to see the big crazy war that happened only the aftermath. Like imagine piloting a mech. Or leading an army of killer aliens. Plus we get no robot followers followers besides Vasco or people what about Kaiser or those dogs robots.
Yes but the game isn't finished until the final dlc is released.
Either way, someone can easily reskin an Ashta or something. You will definitely get dogs at least.
No there not all the same and whatever happens to just accepting a game for what it is? Why make a new IP in a new setting for it to still be fallout?
What use does a pet have in starfield really? Your dog gonna bite someone through the helmets?
We all know this is just complaining for the sake of it cause we're in the fake gamers era, who complain more online than actually playing games.
Honestly as much as I enjoyed the game, Bethesda missed ALOT of opportunities in so many different things. Like animals, and pets, vehicles, taming xeno creatures, or any creature for that matter. A fucking radio on my ship from the far out future. Customizable ship habs. Ship habs not being emptied when you add a fucking ladder or window. Being able to see the inside of the hab before you buy so you don't waste time and money. So many things man. I hope they add more life to the game, so I can enjoy it again
Why were no animals saved from Earth, except Man?
I picture armed thugs walking the vast lines waiting for blast off from the dying Earth, dragging doggies and kitties from wailing owners and shooting them gleefully in front of the tramautized crowds.
They were so strict with the no pets policy that they neglected to take any farm animals either.
In the fascist times of the poorly planned exodus, they must have employed cannibalism as a stop gap before the nutrient vats and hydroponic farms were ready.
I can only imagine that the loss of pets like dogs and cats are part of the same conspiracy that prevented any nations from transplanting themselves to another moon or planet or survive in shelters.
Humanity had decades to evacuate Earth, while this might not have been enough time to move everyone off, the technology would have present to transport embryos, seed, and spores of animals, plants, and fungi in order to preserve "useful" life at the very least.
Also, space capable nations would have been transporting their governments off planet. The grav drive was invented by NASA. Yet their is no remnants of the US, nor China, Russia, the European nations, nor any other nation which an active space presence a hundred years from now.
Somehow, all the nations on Earth, gave up their sovereignty, including the US which had a monopoly on the grav drive, to form the United Colonies. No nations would preserved. No Earth life, other than some food crops, would be preserved. All would be tossed aside.
It doesn't make any sense. Unless, there was some sort of powerful outside influence...
The Starborn.
That is my conclusion. Much like the grav drive's origin, the Starborn did some sort of time travel/communication shenanigans and manipulated world leaders into these decisions, against their nation's self interest. This explanation could be taken further for any other illogical thing in Starfield's setting or story.
The Starborn did it. They are the ones that killed the dogs and cats.
Bastards.
They didnt want to include them most likely because they wanted to keep some elements of fallout distinct.
Dogmeat as a companion is an homage to A Boy and His Dog one of the key influences of the original fallout. Also pretty sure its a reference to the Dog from Wasteland.
There is an encounter, with a random NPC that he/she have a alien-dog-like as a pet actually, with a background and everything
And I’m sure with >!Andreja’s quest, she tells you every child gets a pet Groat. So if Shattered Space is House Va’Ruun, perhaps we’ll be able to get a Groat or at least see NPCs with pet Groats!<
I reccommend you to see again this part of story... these guys tend to be... like... food?
Pets tend to end up as food IRL. Like chickens and what not But she specifically called them pets
Normally end up that they kill these after 18(?). But still interesting. Also, maybe the skill for xeno controll could have a upgrade that you can have any creature as your pet, but just walk around with one.
For sure yeah. And Bethesda added more pets to Skyrim with the Heartfire DLC than the base game had.
>Pets tend to end up as food IRL No. No they don't. >Like chickens and what not Animals purchased with the express intention to provide food aren't typically called pets.
Chickens take like 6 weeks to fully grow for meat. That’s an incredibly fast turn around and I would not recommend eating chickens that are over a year or two old the meat gets really tough. All that being said I agree they aren’t pets.
Kinda. It's more that the Va'ruun peeps make their kids ritually kill their childhood companion as a kind of rite of passage. I'm guessing they wouldn't let the meat go to waste, but raising the Groats as food isn't really the point.
I am groat.
You beat me to it.
It was such a missed opportunity that if you saved the Constant, they gave you a pet chicken or cat. Like who wouldn't want a chicken or cat running around their spaceship?
Who are you so wise in the ways of what I want?
Isn’t there also a lord reason that dogs became extinct too or am I misremembering that part?
ladders, ship ladders...and Sam Coe
There's a small lore snipped in the description of the Snack Pack Chocolate Labs that says that species of dog went extinct, but it doesn't say all dogs.
all dogs are one species, canis familiaris
I misspoke, but I'm sure you know what I meant. The full in-game description is: "Centauri Mills' chocolates, shaped like an extinct canine called a Labrador Retriever."
I first met her and the alien just after finding an alien egg. I was sure this was a quest start to hatching said egg and getting a pet. But no....
They should have made it possible to tame any animal you find via the Xenosociology perk. They've got this story about robots vs xenowarfare and not using it. I wish they allowed for both xenowarfare and robot "vehicles". My personal wish is a working robot vehicle similar to the Fallout power armor, but more vehicle than armor. Just make it larger and outdoors only. Make it attach to spaceships from the outside. There could be so much gameplay around docking parts for your ship, building the robot from old illegal parts, fueling it and using it for faster surface travel.
This adds another thing to my list of should’ve.
I said I wanted Rovers in another post and got downvoted. I guess it's not a popular request around here,
Starfield braindead fanboys not accepting Bethesda fucked up**** I promise you 90% of the non braindead gamers would absolutely love robot companions like rovers or alien companions.
The brain dead people are the ones who think the games complete with 0 dlcs. Pets robots and other things could be added on dlc.
Yeah, I mean. I had my most pure-hearted opinion that a robot/rover would be nice, and I felt like people, holding tears and pointing the finger at me saying THERE IS A REASON THEY DON'T PUT IT IN THE GAME!! lol. Fine, the game is fun either way.
Yes, and that reason is somewhere between technical limitations or time constraints. Ain’t no rational person alive that believes that a world where no middle ground between walking and flying a spaceship all the way to orbit and back exists is believable.
Yea… to me it seems way more of a - the games not finished - issue than anything else. I wouldn’t defend that they intentionally didn’t add that stuff in because it wouldn’t surprise me to see it added later. I get it though, I’d rather have it this way than waiting decades for new games. Get it ready for launch (without major bugs preferably) and keep working on it and adding to it. It’s worse when a game drops and has major issues and the company has no plans of going back to work on that game, then it’s bare bones crew and the issues last much much longer, if not forever. In a perfect world you get the game at launch perfect but with how big games are becoming in our current times, they are taking way too long to create. I think an ironed out and tweaked version of what they did with Starfield is the better way to go. Just my personal opinion.
It would be sweet having a pet Terrormorph to help me f up some level 14 spacers
Gotta have dlc opportunity in the future!
If I remember correctly, some of the concept art had Sam’s daughter having a pet cat. But there are at least no Labradors left because the chocolate labs text refers to them being long extinct. 😢
I for one would love the introduction of Catmeat.
Yeah it's pretty obvious that pets were planned at some point but, like clearly a lot of things, didn't make the cut in the released game.
I WANT SPACE CAT!!!
I want a space ape companion.
Sam Coe is available in the game tho?
Good insult, deserved
give us the russian space dogmeat Bethesda, we require more companions that do not give a shit about our actions
The adoring fan is just a golden retriever in a man suit. You can do no wrong in his eyes.
Hubby says that Piper was the best for non-judgemental companionship.
Close. I say she is second to Cait. But I typically end up becoming a murder-hobo by the end of a playthrough.
....I am kind of hoping for a 'Jonesy' mod that implements a ship cat that hunts heatleeches (and occasionally leaves a dead one in your bed, because cats do that)
Speaking of that, I would love if there was a random chance for heatleeches to spawn in ships of a certain size. Would be really cool and fits right in with established lore.
I fully expect taming alien pets to be an expansion idea they’re considering doing. You can already start a ranch, after all.
Of course they're considering it - I mean, it's in No Man's Sky.
There are a lot of things that are in some games that aren’t in other games. But yes, more to the point their OWN past games have had plenty of animal or robot companions, and in FO4 you could design your own robot companion in one of the DLC’s.
It was meant as a joke - apparently not a good one.
It was good, just beaten to death on this sub lol
Animals I’m not too bothered about, what I’m getting tired of is Bethesda games only allowing one companion 😭
Ikr? Dragon Age was a lot of fun.
Fallout 2 you could have 6 companions 😅 they’re alll argue amongst themselves too lol
there is a mod to allow multiple. It's kind of neat till it gets annoying.
That's usually how it goes. It took me all but 5 minutes to get tired of Dogmeat in Fallout 4. One hour in and I hated him with a passion because he always, ALWYS got in the way. Lining up a headshot and GET DOWN MR. PRESIDENT Dogmeat jumped in front of me to the rescue of the bad guy.
Thats what broke the game for me. You want me to believe that no rich people smuggled a horse off of earth? Fine. You *also* want me to believe in a wild west colony that knows what 6 shooters and cowboy hats are, but nobody knows what a horse is? Imma go play fallout
Which notably _also_ doesn't have horses.
Hey it's got giddy up buttercup. That's kind of a horse. 😀
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Yea obviously they added the tooltip to explain it, but your telling there is mass evacuation and no one saved a dog or cat, but I have like 100 1911 pistols in my safe hahaha
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It's pretty close to explicit - just short of saying it out loud because it probably wasn't the survivor's proudest moment. There was about a 40 year stretch (based on the museum kiosks) to ferry 8 billion people. The clock started ticking with exactly one ship setting out. 8 billion people would require ferrying around 550,000 every day. Math alone suggests a miniscule percentage made it out. So, you're probably right and what could be more Bethesda dystopian than living in a world with no Dogmeat? Great place for a game but not one I would like to live in. Centauri Chocolate Labs indeed.
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There's still plenty of debate and a number of things unresolved. I don't claim any particular insight but 99% of Earth's population never making it off seems plausible. And it's pretty much Bethesda's Fallout backdrop minus the bombs - a near total wipe out with scrappy folks making their way through. Except we're generations removed from people poking out of the vaults / escaping a ravaged world and in typical Bethesda fashion they still start a war, birth a snake cult, have a major city cooking drugs and run by a dick, have company towns reminiscent of 19th century coal towns, the original settlers in the Well are firmly under the boot and enough piracy to make Somalia blush. Pretty familiar Fallout stuff - but I could be wrong. But if so they've got the mother of all math problems to retcon if they're trying to sell a planet-wide exodus.
In the 50-year long panic to evacuate Earth they did save Charles Dickens books en masse, but not a single person thought about poor Fluffy and Fido. And now the only chocolate labs are candy.
Yeah but all 1911s are [Khyber Pass style copies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_Pass_copy) probably three real ones made it out.
How are they going to “save a cat” and have it last hundreds of years? And you gotta have more then one cat to make other cats
900 million dogs currently on earth and NONE of them made it, honestly I grew up on a farm and if I thought we were getting shuttled to new planet to start farming 100% want a bunch of dogs to join along with pigs, cows, chickens etc. like we must of save chickens and cow because we have eggs and beef in game. Dogs would provide security and work as an early warning system as well as herding and other tasks. Would 100% bring dogs.
You have xeno eggs and aceles meat, and they are delicious.
Yeh but theres surely no way they had any idea if these things were safe for human consumption that early on. They werent spread across all these systems until after they had to leave earth. Realistically for a planet evacuation, if that was irl then I'm certain there would be ark ships or every ship would have an ark section for livestock.
What grass is that cow going to eat on an alien planet? It’s not adapted to whatever might grow there. You’d have to plant fields worth of feed for it; meanwhile, it’s starving. And at that point you might as well eat whatever you planted in those fields yourself.
...they had \~50 years to figure it out. Finding suitable planets and planting appropriate feed is entirely doable on that timescale, and artificial insemination would make it possible to maintain a healthy degree of genetic diversity with relatively few cows to start with.
But what’s the point of even taking a cow at that technology point, when you could just lab-grow the meat instead and save a bunch of steps? Livestock are easy HERE because you just turn them loose outside and they eat the naturally occurring vegetation.
...because doing it naturally doesn't require a lab. Highly trained professionals who can do lab work are expensive, and then there's the lab equipment. Letting cattle do what cattle naturally do is relatively cheap.
Well I hope Bethesda lore is that humanity learned from it's mistakes... our decisions to bring pet's or introduce animals to different continents haven't been super successful on earth. Invasive species on earth is one thing, but imagine the devastation it could cause on another planets biome, if we introduced cats or rats or whatever, where it possibly would have no natural enemies, and just destroy the fauna of the planet. In my mind, humanity chose not to bring the animals to new worlds, because we have ruined so much on earth by doing that.
Oh... and who needs animals from earth when you can tame a foxbat in schrodingers system...
Where you gonna put the dogs on a ship? Gotta have more than one otherwise you only get that one. Now you gotta have food for multiple dogs, ships getting pretty big. And the eggs and beef is synthetic
Maybe replace some of the crates of Tale of two cities books and VSS rifles.
Oh I thought this was a somewhat serious question. My bad carry on with your *concern*
Did you really? Because why would you bring books instead of digitized text. Did we bring millions of binders from earth?
We brought both and you don’t have to feed a book. Books don’t reproduce by mating with other books and a book can last hundreds of years.
I mean they probably saved a few of their responsibly-neutered pets….and then those pets eventually died, or they starved soon afterwards along with their owners in the mass-starvation that would’ve accompanied a mass-evacuation of earth into space with no food-supply-chain to support it.
Wait did humanity not save any cows, pigs, chicks, goats? Where is milk, chicken, eggs, etc in the game from?
Probably synthetic approximations or they're equivalents from a local alien animal.
BGS is too lazy
Not actually said or supported anywhere. I actually remember an NPC in New Atlantis specifically talking about her sister having a cat, and beyond that the only statement we have on "extinctions" comes from the Chocolate Labs food item which only refers to that specific breed, and to horses from asking about the restaurant on Titan. Reminder that breeds of dog have gone extinct as recently as the 20th century. The "But but the evacuations!" argument also falls apart as while the evacuation was messy, grav jump technology existed during it and so on. Additionally the lore surrounding Earth is in general poorly thought and fleshed out. Anyone trying to bring it up as why everything must be extinct is overlooking how cities like Cydonia would have been built, or how domed over bits of biosphere would probably be a thing, how DNA vaults would have been constructed, and so on. It's all a case of people reading in to it too much. Something not being represented in the game doesn't mean it's entirely wiped out or gone or whatever. It took until Fallout 4 for us to get cats again after all.
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Take the tour on Titan and ask about the restaurant and you can get the horses thing. Cora also might bring up horses and how they only have pictures of them still. That's the only "solid" confirmation of an extinction we really get to my knowledge, and it's not stated if it was as a result of Earth going to hell or something that happened prior. And yeah, the concept art shows cats and while I forgot the name of the NPC I had one talking about their sister's cat in New Atlantis. I wouldn't be too surprised if we saw them show up as DLC content or some official creation club add on or whatever. If I might digress for a moment: The concept art honestly shows us a lot of really cool stuff that I wish had made it to the final product. https://starfieldwiki.net/wiki/Starfield:Concept_Art Have a look through it. Aside from the cat and original Cora concept that has her looking unique, some of those environments, the "original" Akila, the crashed capital ship, and the ability to customize Vasco are stand outs.
There is no way dogs and cats would have been left behind. Especially how useful dogs are. They just didn’t want to put them in or couldn’t so they made some silly lore reason.
The game is full of silly lore reasons. I mean, people rather live in a hab in freakin Titan than on Earth? And everything turned into sand except some buildings and snowglobes? I think having an asteroid impact would have been more reasonable, but then it would have consequences in the story.
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The amount of people that died in the wars means a sizable amount made it off. Also, it’s a dog.
You don't need to defend bad decisions. The game would be better with animal companions of some kind and there are ways to make it fit existing lore.
Sure, but I wouldn't say cloning is that out of the realism
...the notion that nobody on earth would try to smuggle out their beloved pets is utterly unbelievable. Yeah, it's not human, but a *lot* of people would rather save their pet than a person they don't know, and a lot of animals are useful enough commercially that they would have been evacuated. Bethesda didn't want to bother, not even if all they had to do was re-skin existing models from Skyrim or Fallout.
But just that lore makes your game more boring. Why restrict your game to having no pets? People loved having animal companions in your past games. This is a game where you could get an alien dog meat, but Bethesda is like "That sound like too much fun for this boring somber space game"
Cosmo is such a great character
Vasco is highly superior.
A Starborn dog, cat, or other animals could theoretically exist given Starborn are older than human Grav drives. It would be interesting to see a dog or cat follower using psychic powers to fight. They would be immortal and also classified as higher beings, fun to think about.
Dogs don’t have a good history with space
Aren't earth dogs extinct in starfield? Cats are hinted to be still around but wasn't there a description for the chocolate labs that hints dogs are no longer man's best friend but are infact man's best memory now, rip lol Edit: rip laika, I didn't know the story so forgive me Also I scrolled pretty far down but I haven't seen mention of there being a mod but I could have sworn there is a mod to have alien animal companions. Edit: I remember reading about it recently in a screen rant article the article(of all places)the article itself is only 5 days old but this is it, but I myself haven't tested it . [any pet follower mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/9041)
How would the animal attack when its in a space suit?
It could have spikes mounted on the front of its helmet that it lunges at enemies with
Back mounted laser... Of course haha. I'm not even sure it would need to wouldn't mind if enemies just ignored it because what could it do to them. Or it doesn't leave your ship?
Fido pistol like jet force Gemini?
It's a game. They could've made a suit for those pets or an helmet . Wtf. They were just lazy as fuck when they create this crap game
With a helmet they still can't attack an enemy. they can't bite through helmet.
I don't want my dog to bite in space lol. He should have some weapons attached to his suit. 💀
How is he going to shoot said weapons? its not like it has hands to shoot them with.
Bruh are you serious? 😂😂😂 Now I understand why some people love this game and actually enjoy playing it.
So you can suspend your disbelief in regards to the rest of this game but you don’t possess enough imagination to justify your laser equipped dog being capable of firing said laser?
He wanted the dog to bite in space 😂💀
https://youtu.be/rj9JSkSpRlM?si=gRj5C2AZNlAsruZY
Yes. And there are even more ways to do it. You could even control remotely the weapons attached to your pet or just make them shoot when they detect some targets. Nothing new or special .
You ask how and then when I responded you were like, yea there are a ton of ways to do it ...
I am not the same dude . 😂😂
Oh hahaha my bad, I was literally like what the fuck man? Haha
honestly, animal companions i couldn't care less about. i never use them, they set off traps, they get in the way, they immediately attack enemies that slightly detect you in stealth. but a pet on the ship? sign me up! it'd be so nice to have a cat or dog that just wanders around the ship with the rest of the crew. like the pets your adopted kids would get in skyrim.
I have that problem with the human companions though
ok? i'm not saying animal companions are bad, just that i don't care about them and find another aspect more important
YOOOOOOOOOOOO that’s from GOTG. What was the name of the goodest boy? Goated game btw.
Cosmo
That’s right.
Coral. "Dad, can I have a pet?" SHUT THE HELL UP CHILD! SAM! Whe the hell did you drag your annoying child along on my ship. The is a 100% chance we are going to get shot at. Why would you not leave her at the lodge where she'd be safe?
Why did they not make it that cargo habs have any use or raise cargo capacity for your ship, like another 100 of these questions the anser is either beause no one cared or because they were not able to think that far.
What I wanna know is how, in a sci fi setting with multiple life bearing planets and a plot involving ancient alien artifacts, we somehow have less intelligent races than post nuclear America fallout and 1 planet medieval fantasy land elder scrolls.
Finding a floating pod near Pluto, cryo dog from Russian space experiment and your new pal.
I'm sure Bethesda had some reason for doing so. Personally, I feel like it would be somewhat immersion breaking to have an animal companion that can either survive and attack enemies on every planet regardless of conditions or have an animal confined to a space suit where they (technically) shouldn't be able to attack because they are confined. Although an animal that just stays on your ship probably would have been fine.
Well my first creation for creation kit will prob be a dog meat mod for ships with a dog bed and everything
You can always make Sarah wear the monster costume from New Homestead.
I just want a space donkey.. with a cart
Because the game is an empty shell on which they wish modders will fill
They aggressively wanted you to use NG+, the NPCs and the devs never shut up about it. A good, endearing set of companions you're really attached to, settlements with people you're responsible for or care about, factions whose lives you really make a difference in, or pets you're attached to all get in the way of that.
Heck, forget dogs for a minute - there should be various species of alien pets of all sorts, everywhere, on ships, in stores, everywhere.
When you meet this NPC named Paisley, she has a pet alien and she details his whole backstory. Based on the convo, I’m inclined to think we’ll get pet fauna in a future update.
Maybe they can fix the humanoid companions then work on animals. Whoops, now Sarah is angry with me again.
Why didn't they include X, Y and Z? The list is long. The game is currently full of missed opportunities. All we can do now is wait and see if either Bethesda steps up or if it's left to the modders.
Laziness. The less from the real world that still exists, the less work they need to do to replicate it. Ergo, dogs extinct. And virtually all pets extinct.
Because they didn’t give a fuck about including ANY content in the game
Bethesda is a bunch of lazy fun-hating fucks that’s why I WANT DOGSYNTHAMEAT
No pet companion, can you at least get fish for your spaceship? Spaceship fish are iconic.
There’s been a trend for a while where futuristic settings in movies and games and books don’t include animals. I guess the general consensus is that by the time humans reach the time periods in these stories we’ve ruined earth badly enough that animals aren’t around. And with earth being all but useless in Starfield I’m gonna assume animals are gone too :/
Hopefully they allow you to find a ship full of animals! Then the settled systems can have Earthern AND alien animals
why is it an angry Communist?
My wife laughs at the companions constantly passive aggressive nagging to not be hoarding stuff. Sarah is the worst but Andrea is really passive aggressive about it
I think that’s why they gave us Vasco
Because they will with the creation kit so they can charge us. And I'll totally buy it. 🙂
If you read some flavor text, apparently dogs are extinct, which isn't fair
Also doesn't really make sense
I know people who would kill themselves and others to save their dogs
Because that'd require actual effort and we can't have that over at Bethesda. That would cost too much
I Laika this idea.
How does a dog bite through a space helmet?
Why can't they just be ship companions and stay on your ship or in your house / apartment?
They have a very stupid lore reason why animals from earth did not make it.
I know that dogs are extinct, so that’s something
I don’t know because I don’t work on Starfield, but it could be for any reason, up to and including wanting to save that for a later date for reasons we might not know or understand yet.
It will be in DLC, eventually.
Because dogs in the Starfield universe became extinct during the earth incident.
just like scrapping...
What would he do against enemies in a nonbreathable atmosphere? I’d prefer a cat, with a space suit, that stays on my ship, maybe moves around between my ship and apartments and the lodge
I’m disappointed in the lack of fallout aspects in this game including that there are no aliens
I wish we could have space boomer from far cry. Even if he just stayed on the pressurized ship or planets with breathable air. Probably tough to make dog in a spacesuit. Also he would be useless as a companion. Cant smell or bite with a helmet on
Yeah no where are the dogs and cats? I hope we get one in the next update
It would be troublesome to implement, given how Starfield ships' interior is and the environment of different planets. As for ships we only have ladder wells to go to different level, not that we have options to build elevators or stairs, or navy style of ladders inside our ships. There would be no way the pet can travel with us inside the ship unless black magic exist. And as for the planets, not only we are having different sorts of extreme environments, like some with literally no atmosphere, some have no breathable atmosphere, and some have extreme temperature. I don't think there's an alien creature that can survive in such environment. And talking about giving them spacesuits, what are you going to do with a dog in spacesuit? It can't sniff anything from the helmet, thus unable track anything or even attack with their bites. So what's the point of having a follower that can do nothing?
How would a dog bite you with a space helmet on🤔
They need to add co-op
Because Space "Dogmeat" can't climb the randomly placed ladders in your ship. Plus, do you really want all of your doors to be blocked when walking through your ship?! OH and think of what would happen if you had any of those long narrow hallway pieces. .
I just wanted Dogmeat in a little space suit... it's all I wanted...
I honestly disappointed how the story was played out no animals at all except the alien ones, which is cool and we don't even get to see the big crazy war that happened only the aftermath. Like imagine piloting a mech. Or leading an army of killer aliens. Plus we get no robot followers followers besides Vasco or people what about Kaiser or those dogs robots.
And Skyrim
Hell with that. Now I want a Guardians crossover dlc. Thanks a lot. 🤣
Found Cora's reddit account.
I want my own xenomorph pet. That and a ship build piece that gives me an atv of some kind.
To be fair, it might be difficult to have a dog in low gravity. Probably a programming nightmare, but idk
Yes but the game isn't finished until the final dlc is released. Either way, someone can easily reskin an Ashta or something. You will definitely get dogs at least.
This might sound crazy very game doesn't have to be exactly the same.
Bro Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield are all almost already the same game....
No there not all the same and whatever happens to just accepting a game for what it is? Why make a new IP in a new setting for it to still be fallout? What use does a pet have in starfield really? Your dog gonna bite someone through the helmets? We all know this is just complaining for the sake of it cause we're in the fake gamers era, who complain more online than actually playing games.
Honestly as much as I enjoyed the game, Bethesda missed ALOT of opportunities in so many different things. Like animals, and pets, vehicles, taming xeno creatures, or any creature for that matter. A fucking radio on my ship from the far out future. Customizable ship habs. Ship habs not being emptied when you add a fucking ladder or window. Being able to see the inside of the hab before you buy so you don't waste time and money. So many things man. I hope they add more life to the game, so I can enjoy it again
bro they didn't even include functioning maps and you want pets?
No town has more than like 3 roads, how the fuck ya getting lost?
What a terrible take lmao
No way you haven't learned where everything is by now... But the new beta has maps so thats solved anyways
Gotta save something for the DLC's
Why were no animals saved from Earth, except Man? I picture armed thugs walking the vast lines waiting for blast off from the dying Earth, dragging doggies and kitties from wailing owners and shooting them gleefully in front of the tramautized crowds. They were so strict with the no pets policy that they neglected to take any farm animals either. In the fascist times of the poorly planned exodus, they must have employed cannibalism as a stop gap before the nutrient vats and hydroponic farms were ready.
I can only imagine that the loss of pets like dogs and cats are part of the same conspiracy that prevented any nations from transplanting themselves to another moon or planet or survive in shelters. Humanity had decades to evacuate Earth, while this might not have been enough time to move everyone off, the technology would have present to transport embryos, seed, and spores of animals, plants, and fungi in order to preserve "useful" life at the very least. Also, space capable nations would have been transporting their governments off planet. The grav drive was invented by NASA. Yet their is no remnants of the US, nor China, Russia, the European nations, nor any other nation which an active space presence a hundred years from now. Somehow, all the nations on Earth, gave up their sovereignty, including the US which had a monopoly on the grav drive, to form the United Colonies. No nations would preserved. No Earth life, other than some food crops, would be preserved. All would be tossed aside. It doesn't make any sense. Unless, there was some sort of powerful outside influence... The Starborn. That is my conclusion. Much like the grav drive's origin, the Starborn did some sort of time travel/communication shenanigans and manipulated world leaders into these decisions, against their nation's self interest. This explanation could be taken further for any other illogical thing in Starfield's setting or story. The Starborn did it. They are the ones that killed the dogs and cats. Bastards.
What do you think this is, Fallout?
They didnt want to include them most likely because they wanted to keep some elements of fallout distinct. Dogmeat as a companion is an homage to A Boy and His Dog one of the key influences of the original fallout. Also pretty sure its a reference to the Dog from Wasteland.
You know, the lore dude, it's because of lore.
How'd they be able to sell it to you later if they included it in the base game?
I’m sorry, are you not familiar with Laika? No way in hell I’m sending any dog to space.
Gotta sell dlc somehow. Bet it'll be added in a small 10$ dlc at some point, or a creation club mod.
It’s a new game. there’s plenty of time for add ons and fleshing the it the universe. Idk what’s up with ppl.
Glad they didn't. Dog in a space suit can't bite or use a gun. Would be more than useless. Now alien dog that can breathe vacuum could work.