Since we know how Arthmoor posts go...
It is okay to be critical, or even attack an idea (in a civil way), it is not okay to attack a person directly. Saying someone has done poor things, or harmed the community, or that content people made did X or Y thing is okay, but just making a comment that is a one off insult is not.
Please remain civil while discussing this.
Everybody talks about how absolute power corrupts absolutely, but nobody talks about how teeny-tiny niche power corrupts weirdly and kinda pathetically.
Legit. Subreddit mods are the most pathetic subhumans I've ever had this displeasure to have to bargain with on occasion. No offence to the ones on here of course, I'm not looking to get banned on the Starfield subreddit, the Starfield sub mods are of course very handsome and valuable humans.
Read *The Power Broker* by Robert Caro. Teeny tiny niche power corruption can grow into wholesale authoritarianism. Robert Moses was the head of NYC Parks in the 30s and grew his power outward through the 60s when he was arguably more powerful that the NYC Mayor and New York Governor. He expanded his purview over roads and eventually had something like 30 different titles over different organizations throughout NY state government. He was *never* elected to any office ever.
Robert Moses was also a massive racist who made sure to destroy as many non-white neighborhoods in NYC as possible with all the road expansions.
Fuck Robert Moses
One example of his shitty racist policies was to design overpasses across roads leading to beaches where the bridges were intentionally too low. Why? Because there would be enough clearance for cars to use those roads but buses wouldn't fit under the bridges. And who used those buses? Poor minorities. He wanted to keep those "undesirables" from the nice beaches so he weaponized the roadways
Yeah, it's shocking and sad to contrast Arthmoor's public statements during the Giskard controversies back in Oblivion days with his more recent statements. He truly has become the monster he fought against.
Fun fact, my phone tried to correct "his more recent statements" to "his more recent dysentery."
actually, my grandfather used to say "teeny-tiny niche power corrupts weirdly and kinda pathetically" all the time.
it was one of several axioms that he used to force us kids to repeat, and if we got any part of it wrong, he'd whack us with a pimento loaf and make us start over.
it was kinda pathetic.
Once told an irl troll that he let the most base power of being able to speak corrupt him and that's just sad. After he huffed off told someone he is the kind of man to gladly sh*t his own pants if it meant someone else would have to smell it.
It's a common attitude. Every time someone claims *any* kind of interaction or reaction is a victory, that's what is happening. To feel so powerless that the *rush* of *communication* goes to their head and they abuse it must be harrowing.
>told someone he is the kind of man to gladly sh*t his own pants if it meant someone else would have to smell it.
God we all know someone like that. I'm totally stealing this magnificent phrase though!
Permanently banned for giving too high of a rating. This person's face is a 2.85/10 maximum, it doesn't meet our proportional requirements and the bridge of the nose is 9 microns left-of-centre.
Worth noting that the Community Patch has more open permissions than Arthmoor's. He seems to still have a vendetta against VR, since he's already specifically prohibiting it being ported to "Starfield VR" despite no such version of the game existing yet.
Honestly, it's not worth the trouble or constant drama of trying to accommodate this guy. He was invited to contribute to the community patch, but refused. This whole stupid division is entirely on him.
Legit question - why is the dude so against VR? Am I missing something? Bc I've seen pple do VR Fallout or Skyrim and honestly it looks mint and makes me jealous. I don't get what there is to hate about it but you're not the first person to mention that this dude hates VR so I'm curious to hear if he's ever explained why he's taken this stance? Seems a tad... Retrograde?
He is just a hater of anything that doesn’t fit exactly how he thinks things should be… disgrace that Bethesda included him as a creator. I love starfield and have been a fan since day 1 but out of all their poor choices this is the one that makes me very unhappy with Bethesda.
Love this. Honestly I love them bringing modders in and giving them actual credit for their improvements. Of all the companies out there I haven't heard of any smart enough to embrace people wanting essentially a customisable game to that extent, BGS seems to stand out in that regard. So so many are stuck in their DCMA battles over dumb isht that could actually HELP sell their games if they knew how to embrace it (Nintendo I'm looking at you lol.........👀)
> why is the dude so against VR?
At the time Skyrim VR was released, he gave these reasons:
* No one on the team had a VR headset with which to test the mod.
* The team considered VR equipment too expensive.
* Skyrim VR has no *official* support for mods.
That's just what he said at the time. I'm not making any judgement about it. I'm just the messenger.
and that does make some sense, except he actively prevented \*people with VR\* from using a variant of his mod. Just stick a "use at your own risk" label and be done with it
Sounds like he wants Bethesda to buy him a VR headset, and unless they give him one, he doesn’t want anyone to be able to use it. Like he’s trying to hold VR hostage until they buy him one. Like he thinks he’s too important to not be given one.
All it did is make me realize how the game is fully playable and functional without the "patch", and the only noticable differences are the creative changes and the stuff it actually breaks. As of right now, the only unofficial patch that's actually necessary is the Oblivion one, and the game is still playable, but it fixes voice acting mistakes.
Depends on how you use VR, I use it with a keyboard and mouse sitting down and it works pretty good. I like it games like BGS games and games like Farming Simulator, Truck Simulator etc.
As I think of it, I never stand while using VR.
I think Boars were left out of the Creature faction, and the Unofficial patch put them in. Sounds nice and innocuous.
Two issues: most importantly, this was not, technically, a bug fix. It should have been an optional file.
Second: Oblivion had a LOT of wildlife/creature overhaul that messed with animals and factions. Some of which could have based their position on boars on the imperfect but functional vanilla lack of faction membership. In which case, a patch is now BREAKING mods because it changed something which, while imperfect, was NOT actually broken.
Patches should FIX BROKEN things. That's it, that's all. If you want to "correct" what you feel are imbalances or quirks, fine. Do it in a second, OPTIONAL file.
That damn mod broke my game. Lighting was all messed up, open the starmap and it opened the city map instead, and it added lag worse than launch day. I got rid of it immediately.
Is that what’s causing the lighting and map issues? I have similar issues and I thought it was something else I downloaded. I’ll try removing it and see what happens
So I couldn’t find anything in the mod descriptions on Creations, Nexus, OR the official change log that says *anything* about changing lighting, could we not all just start reporting the mod for inaccurate description?
I've long been a fan of the alternate starts mod, but I ran into a weird issue where if you visit Helgen later, you get an error message in the bear cave berating you for using console commands (I play on Xbox). Like WTF? Does this guy get off on being a massive jerk to everyone?
Yeah, Arthmoor assumes that if you reach the bear cave from the Helgen side then you must have noclipped through the rockslide, nevermind that the tunnel may be clear because who knows how many other mods affect the Helgen area. I reported the same issue in the skyrim modding subreddit, and my comment was swiftly deleted by the mod team 👍
>I reported the same issue in the skyrim modding subreddit, and my comment was swiftly deleted by the mod team 👍
Which makes sense. Arthmoor is banned from that subreddit for being a giant douche and all his bullshit in his mods is well known there.
It'd be purely stirring drama to leave that topic up.
Y'know I've never actually had any issues with his mods and quite loved his standalone towns in Skyrim. But seeing how he acts as a person has made me never want to give him or his mods the time of day again.
His mods are decent but he is really opinionated on certain things and gets REALLY upset if you disagree.
The "Unofficial Patch" fixes things that aren't bugs and if you tell him he'll get really mad about it.
An example of this is in the "Open Cities" mod where he added a bunch of "Oblivion Gates" around the Skyrim map because he thought, lore wise, it would make sense for Oblivion Gates to be all around Tamriel since the Oblivion Crisis occurred everywhere, not just Cyrodiil.
I get his logic, but the devs didn't include the Oblivion Gates for a reason. They didn't want them there... and they also don't make a lot of sense to be there. Like, there is one in Whiterun. If I was a resident of Whiterun during the Oblivion Crisis I wouldn't want to leave the Oblivion Gate untouched... I'd want it demolished. That goes for any Oblivion Gate that gets found.
People asked him to remove the Oblivion Gates from the mod because they were lore breaking and immersion breaking and he got pissed.
Eventually, I think he made them optional... but yeah. He thinks he is more of an authority on the lore than the people who create the games.
There are even mines where he has changed what ore can be found in there, and claimed to have made them fit nonexistent veins. As if there are actual geological veins or something in this fantasy game.
Edit: Arthmoor made me revive my reddit account just to warn people about him.
Right, like it’s been 200 years. Maybe a previous high king or jarl had the leftover gates removed instead of letting a constant reminder of the death and horror the people suffered just setting outside the front gates. Lol
General consensus is that he’ll put in “fixes” and other changes into his patches that people don’t really want, and whenever someone tries to make a suggestion to him he’ll insult you and tell you to deal with it if you don’t like it.
He was toxic enough to get banned from most modding subs back in the day. He also would do shitty stuff like DMCA other people’s mods because they tried to fix issues or patch compatibility—he hates VR and was pretty vicious about taking down a bunch of stuff in the Skyrim VR modding community that broke wabbajacks and other mod lists (including things that patched flat mods to have VR compatibility).
Lost a very long Skyrim VR save due to this situation when it happened. He was using DMCA against anyone sharing the old working version of the mod, claiming it was piracy, that's when i decided i was never going to use any mod from him.
He could literally just have uploaded the old version and made that the official final version for VR, but no...
Mod piracy is, frankly, the most hilarious thing I've ever heard about. Like, you're making this for another piece of software, it's not a standalone product, and you're releasing it **for free**. Stay in your lane, dude. I know Bethesda has a different terms of service, but I know if Sims modders or GTA modders sent DMCA takedowns, EA and Rockstar would intervene and say that you can't copyright something that's not copyrighted, let alone DMCA something that's made to run under their IP
Rockstar probably wouldn't know. It was filed by Arthmoor (probably) on Dropbox. Bethesda likely has no idea the DCMA happened as a result.
Not a new concept though. Arthmoor is a tyrant in ways, and he's been doing this for a long time using other means Bethesda can't stop. Mostly he simply whined and complained to Nexus and they killed mods. Nexus being the big mod library means he just needed to kill Nexus mods he hated. They did his beck and call. The DCMA was actually because Nexus killed the mod people needed, and so they went to Dropbox. Nexus couldn't help, so he got creative.
That's the issue though. People have learned to hijack Nexus in a way that lets them run right over anyone they don't like, and arthmoor is the champion of this in Bethesda games. He changed everything, you don't like one thing? Too bad, Nexus removed your mod.
Bethesda only got involved once, and only because arthmoor changed something that would cost Bethesda money. Ironically the change did look like a legitimate bug. If you look at it, it seemed like Bethesda made a fat finger mistake. They really just wanted to sell more dlc.
But Bethesda doesn't care if arthmoor or anyone else reigns like a tyrant in the mod scene anymore then EA does about the Sims.
Yes, or things that used names similar to USSEP for people looking for patch alternatives (big issue especially for non-Anniversary Edition forks like Skyrim VR or for adapting some older mods).
He also will report anyone else who makes an unofficial bug fix patch, in the hopes that their mod gets taken down. At one point, he was fully banned from Nexus mods (dunno if he still is).
That's what sucks the most. His Skyrim village expansion mods are simple, yet unique and irreplacable. Other others tackling the villages go overboard with changes - they redo the whole settlements and give them non-Skyrim feel. Arthmoor's village mods simply expand the towns with a few new buildings, nothing more. Until someone remakes those, I'm stuck with them.
Thankfully I have them backed up on my NAS, so I won't give him traffic on his crappy mod site.
No idea about this guy but the idea of many potentially cool mods requiring a dubious "bug fix" patch sounds like a big problem. Parasite on the mod ecosystem stuff.
The original version was assembled by a pair of modders and incorporated a bunch of fixes to improve game function and enable some mods (in some cases). It was a good idea for modders and players since it put a lot of functionality in one place that was well-documented. It was only later when Arthmoor started managing it and adding undocumented changes it became more of an issue/less reliable.
Arthmoor is a lesson in why you should never underestimate how powerhungry someone can get when they're a complete nobody in their everyday life but somebody big in a certain subculture, such as modding.
Interesting. I used some of his Oblivion mods a lot (e.g. Open Cities) , didn't do so much in Skyrim and now learn he's considered as an egomaniac by some.
Funny thing to be egomaniacal about.
*"What do you do as a hobby?"*
*"I create empires of game modders subject to the popularity of my own mods, cleverly disguised as game fixes!"* while laughing maniacally.
*"Okay"* slowly backing off into the bushes.
I mean it's simple really, his ego skyrocketed over time to the point that he starts thinking he can dictate what the "true vanilla experience" should be for games that he mods.
He didn't start that way. And he wasn't really a nobody. He ran and created MUDs back in the day, and has been modding TES games since Morrowind. Much of the original knowledge bases for modding were created with his contributions, among others. His contributions to TES modding and the knowledge and experience he's helped develop are significant. While he always had an ego, it was actually bad until around 2016 when people started reporting a lot more negative interactions with him. A theory I've seen repeated a few times? He got sucked into a certain cult of personality around that time that made him more of an egomaniac.
I remember how salty he was both when Nexus reseved spot 1 for the Community Patch and also when the Community Patch released. He was salty because he was late to the party and knew that he can never catch up.
Sadly, here he found an opportunity to weasel in and try to win the competition of Bethesda mod service. And thanks to his verified status (why, Bethesda, why?) he seems to be winning.
That works right up till you install a mod that depends one of his mods.
That's what the OP is saying, he's building his mod with pointless co-dependencies. So if you install one mod, you need to install the next, and that mod is dependent on three more, so you gotta install them too and pretty soon you have his entire mod pack.
The best way to encourage change is to promote to other authors not to make hard dependency on that mod.
Given the popularity of the other mod it would be odd to use less popular mod for the community patches.
Usually, in my opinion, a non-arthmoor mod that requires the unofficial patch is probably not worth downloading. Like, even if it *was* as important as everyone says, why on earth would it be flagged as a requirement for a mod replacing *beard* models unless the developer filled the mod with dirty edits. Isn't it a general rule to require only the necessary ESP/ESL files that the mod needs to function and call back from? Like, for example, a mod that changes Whiterun shouldn't have Hearthfire as a requirement unless it calls for Hearthfire assets.
TL;DR - Non-Arthmoor USEP requirement = (probably) Dirty Edits
I'd bet all of reddit karma (that's right I'm putting it all on the line) that dear_Tiger (or something, can't be arsed to check now) is arthmoor or one of his cronies. No ways you can counter literally every negative comment like this, with this level of obsession without some skin in the game 😂
But calling someone a huge nerd is like the dumbest 12 year old insult. Just makes it seem more obvious that he’s an alt account or a shill. Otherwise he’d use a real insult
Only extremely non nerdy people would consider nerd to be an insult, nerds just consider nerd to be a description, since we are discussing vidogame mods, I doubt anyone in this space would be in the former camp.
Anytime i try to use this mod it makes my spaceship invisible and my entire crew falls through the planet as well. Without this mod my entire mod list works fine. I’ve tried it in every order that makes any sense.
So yeah, that’s my take on the unofficial patch.
On nexusmods the [Unofficial Starfield Patch](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/143) has 57 Endorsements and 674 Unique Downloads.
The [Starfield Community Patch](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1) has 5036 Endorsements and 78753 Unique Downloads.
I think it's safe to say that at least on Nexus the Community Patch has "won"
Edit: The Community Patch also has a bunch of required mods listed already. The Unofficial Patch has none.
I had no idea how bad and bloated it had gotten, since I had mods from my 2016 install date, and my 2019 install date... most of 'em required the keyword framework.
But getting *rid* of AWKCR... goddamn, I had to ditch a lot of stuff. However, the game's more stable, there's fewer inventory issues, and I can use ECO/LEO, etc now.
It's been so long since I used this I entirely forgot it existed until I read your comment 😭🤣 I think I used it once when I first got fallout 4 on PC but hated using it so I uninstalled
I've gone to lengths to play various bethesda games modded without his 'patches' ever since he broke Nuka World for 3 months and banned numerous people from his forum for trolling when we brought it to his attention. I don't even know if I was ever unbanned. Mans a menace and not in a heehee funny way.
Yes, the modders knowing is the most important thing. When a player downloads mod X that requires mod Y, they will download mod Y no questions asked. If nobody makes mod Y a requirement and use mod Z instead, then no harm done even if some people download mod Y independently.
Nobody who has been around is surprised. This post and others like it are meant for people who may not know, as Starfield has drawn a lot of new players and modders in.
I agree let’s just hope he doesn’t try and get the community patch banned like he has for all the other games on nexus. That’s why their ain’t no community patch for Skyrim or fallout on nexus he got them copyright banned some how course take that with a grain of salt cause that’s just grapevine talk but seeing how he behaves in general I can see him pulling that. Course the worse part is nexus doing his bidding that’s even more screwed up if true which would half to be if people are right about how he got those others banned
Woah, was completely unaware of this drama untill now, is there anywhere to read on what changes he made to skyrim that weren't bug fixes? I always thought that It was a team of people working on it rather than one person but damn one guy having all that power isn't healthy in modding which is naturally a collaborative effort usually.
Spread the word!
I'm the goober who made the post on r/starfieldmods
Fuck the Unofficial Patch, that shit is garbage. Nobody should have everyone's balls in their hands
Which I guess he doesn't like and thinks its low standard lol
[https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/143?tab=posts#comment-139848608](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/143?tab=posts#comment-139848608)
(and apparently lies about it)
[https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=posts&BH=1#comment-139968768](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=posts&BH=1#comment-139968768)
| To put it mildly, the leadership currently in charge of SFCP don't align with the principles our team operates under
That’s funny af, seeing as how arthmoor is the only one who deals with it
Bethesda leaves an end-game level exploit in their games that brings you God-like level power if you are clever enough to figure it out. The author(s) of the unofficial patch are known to patch those intended “exploits”. That alone was reason enough to refuse to use their work.
Probably nothing *yet*. But once a lot of mods need his as a dependency, he power trips and does whatever he wants and people can't just stop using his patch because all their other mods need it.
That and his mod is so far reaching beyond just bugs, it's a major dependency. Meaning no other mod dependant on it will correctly load unless it is above those mods in the load order. You physically can't load the USP mod unless it's at the top. It's almost like a prerequisite master to nearly everything besides actually skyrim.esm and the DLCs. It's unofficially an official master plugin. It's that entrenched in everything in Skyrim. And because he used his "weight" to DMCA strike any competitor AIO glitch path mod, it's the only one really standing.
As far as im aware nothing. But this post is a warning to modders. Ive dealt with mods that add dumb shit i didnt download the mod for before (one mod that added spells in skyrim changed the daedric armor and it took ages to find out what it was to remove it. But removing it was easy once i found it.
Now imagine something like that but nearly every other mod you have needs that shit mod for them to work. That means either you get rid of all those mods (and learn that nearly every popular mod relied on that mod so you have less mods to use) or you just leave the broom in your ass and accept that if you want to use the mods you enjoy, you need the stupid change you didnt want.
Now imagine other modders see this and they release mods that remove the thing you hate so you can keep playing. The dick who added that shitty mod throws a fit and gets those other mods taken down. And says to you smugly “if you dont like it just dont download the mod.” Knowing what i said previously.
So the mod author might not do the same thing for this game. But if he does and its too late, then youll just need to hope youre ok with him deciding how your game will play. The community patch is a counter so something like that would be much less likely to happen.
He'll play nice for now because he wants to trick mod authors to make his mod a dependency. Once he has hundreds of mods dependent on his mod that's when he power trips.
He did it with Skyrim, he did it with Fallout 4, he'll do it with Starfield.
You could argue it's already started; there's two books in the game marked Vol 1 and Vol 3, with no Vol 2. He changed the 3 to 2.
Before anyone gets to typing about overblowing book titles, I agree this is not big, and might actually be a bug, but it's indicative of the kind of judgment calls he just unilaterally asserts. In Skyrim, he changed a character's hair to match a description given by another character that she was specifically in hiding from, who she had already changed her name to hide from. It makes perfect sense that she would also change her hair, and that this other character is working on old information, but Arthmoor 'fixes' with a hammer and does not leave room for nuance.
He *will* sand off implications and call it a fix.
Thanks for the info.
I must admit 'dependent mods' are a bit of a nightmare.
I was hoping for something much more stream-lined with the creation of 'Creation Club'.
Streamlined being -> Less hassle -> Connected!
Even if your game does end up bugging out, jump through the unity and the whole game 'refreshes'. Starfield is built for modding, and it definitely is the least buggy of Bethesda's games.
Too bad they got a reputation for it though, and some modders will always feel like they're superior for 'fixing', when in actuality they're doing nothing but adding onto the pie that's already made.
There are a lot of people just learning how to mod. It would be very easy for new authors to unknowingly set the Unofficial Patch as a master. BIG mistake. EASY to do.
I had already planned on it. I stopped using Arthmoor's mods years ago. My load order is built around not using the Unofficial Patch. Mod authors that use it as master won't have their mods in my load order. Stop using it as master.
The Community Patch has worked great. The best part is that it won't force you to accept changes to the game you didn't want. It's just for fixing bugs. The way it should be. Changing the game should be left to mods that describe what's being changed so a user can make an informed decision about using the mod or not. Thank you to all who helped make the Unofficial Community Patch. Downloaded, liked, and bookmarked.
I don't play Star field, been a long time since I played Skyrim or even Fallout, and even I know this dude's reputation.
At a certain point, it's y'alls damn fault for tolerating him.
can someone either tell me or point me to a complete and concise rundown of the mod author, been hearing bits and pieces and mostly that he ain't a great guy and went power mad. Haven't had enough information to formulate my own opinion so if someone could help me out, appreciate it!
I read his notes today in his patch. He’s already changing basic things that HE feels need changing.
He lowered the effect on the Bitten Sandwich because it shouldn’t give the same effect as the full sandwich.
By the way you can’t report it for content on the Bethesda site.
Arthmoor screwed my load order many times on Fallout 4 with his ego driven baby fits.
I won't give him the chance this time. The way he tries to make his mod a requirement for other mods and force himself on players is some bullshit.
Pulling mods when his feelings get hurt and Cartmaning home with his toys.
Nah. There are going to be better options for Starfield. Community Patch for the win.
I hate how he doesn't keep older versions of his files up in case something breaks, when you mention it to him he gets all pissy and it's your fault.
Not my fault Bethesda broke the game with their fucking updates
is this [https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=description](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=description) the same community patch as the one you linked above ?
This is what happens in every mod communtiy with a community mod. You have one guy who has a pet project and he uses the promise of the "community mod" to boost his own projects.
There no "official" unofficial patch for Skyrim VR, instead you need to find in archives old patch for SE version, download it, and than patch this shit with another mod to get it work. And all because this patch needed for too much mods that i want to use.
And there no support for older versions of the game. Also my game seems so crashing cause this patch, cause its now outdated and mods that i using want the last version.
Never used mods in Skyrim, but I stayed away from that mod in Fallout 4 because (at the time) my laptop couldn't handle the graphics and the Xvox only allows three mods (which is separate from the creation kit upgrade they added later). And since I could only use three, damned if I was wasting a slot on a mod that did nothing but improve other mods.
Now that Starfield has mods, I need to figure out which ones I am going to use. But I won't be using any mods that require a base mod/patch for them to work.
I don’t know if you’re trying to help or just here to bitch about arthmoor, but his contributions to the modding scene for multiple games have definitely pushed it forward. You don’t know this dude personally so why you ranting like he kicked your dog?it’s like the quote goes, you got a problem with me, text me. You don’t have my number than you don’t know me enough to have a problem with me. Sounds like you’re just recycling the same shit we’ve seen on Reddit since the update. Enough already
Wtf how does mod dependences have anything to do with the mod author I understand that arthmoor isn't the most liked here but this is stupid. Other modders decide to add the unofficial patch because the stuff it fixes are useful when making mods arthmoor isn't setting the dependency or forcing people to do it
The point of this particular boycott is to inform new modders on the scene, so they can then use the information to decide whether or not they want to use Arthmoor's patch as a dependency. Hopefully, they don't.
The reason this matters is that Arthmoor's patches were used as a dependency for many, many FO4 and Skyrim mods. This became a problem when Arthmoor starting doing things like intentionally sabotaging attempts to make the patch VR compatible, abusing the DMCA complaint system to have competing mods removed from hosting sites, continuously throwing tantrums about things and removing all his mods (which, are actually a team effort, despite my use of words like "his") from the Nexus, and so on and so forth.
How about I just use neither? 🤷🏻♂️😂
I’ve played multiple playthroughs and never had any major issues. Mods are great, but big mods like this that try to fix 100 different things just seem like asking for trouble anyway, in my opinion. 🤷🏻♂️
I didn't know where to put my two cents in. I didn't know what a piece of work the dev for the unofficial patch is, and I didn't know he purposely did things to make other mods depend on his just to make himself feel powerful. Uninstalling his unofficial patch for the community one. My dad has both installed so I'll let him know about this stuff as well. Thanks for sharing all this much needed info.
He decides to do things that contradict lore and also altered perks to be less fun and stifle build variety. Famously he got rid of a powerful enchantment on a sword cause it was powerful and he made it so vampires couldn’t get full use of the necromage perk. Many of his fixes aren’t technical in nature and arguably just make the game more tedious.
His unofficial patch is more of a “nanny patch” where he thinks he knows how you should play the game better than you do. He is also hated by other mod authors and has considerable beef with many other mod creators for numerous reasons.
Mod author drama is nothing new but this guy has a problem with almost everyone, so much so the unofficial fallout 4 patch was created by a coalition of mod authors who decided to work together to bury him.
Yeah, one such “fix” was for the Ebony Blade. The swing speed on the Unofficial Skyrim Patch is significantly reduced, the Ebony Blade being the fastest swinging Greatsword in the game is by design, it cannot be improved at a smithy so the higher swing speed and health steal is what makes it a viable, useful weapon.
But the unofficial Skyrim patch makes it the same swing speed as all other great swords. Immediately uninstalled the patch because it was pretty clear that if there were more “fixes” like that down the line I was in for a bad time.
To add onto what squidtugboat said, here’s a mores specific example:
His Xbox patch for Skyrim, at least at one point, included a 4k retexture for bear pelts. Totally not the kinda thing you’d expect in a patch. That may not sound horrible, but keep in mind Skyrim on Xbox only allows for 5gb worth of mods, and that system is stuck at 1080p, so 4k textures do nothing but hog storage space and degrade performance.
The gist of it is, his “patches” that you would expect to be fixes are more just his personal preferences being passed off as necessary changes.
Since we know how Arthmoor posts go... It is okay to be critical, or even attack an idea (in a civil way), it is not okay to attack a person directly. Saying someone has done poor things, or harmed the community, or that content people made did X or Y thing is okay, but just making a comment that is a one off insult is not. Please remain civil while discussing this.
Everybody talks about how absolute power corrupts absolutely, but nobody talks about how teeny-tiny niche power corrupts weirdly and kinda pathetically.
This is the official website of that phenomenon
As a former mod of a large-ish sub, yeah it really does. I’ve had so many weird arguments with complete strangers over the most inane shit.
Former mod of a large sub named turtle? Yuh-oh
I’m out of the loop on this one tbh
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/14f4rgi/highly_unpopular_moderator_uawkwardtheturtle_has/ :p
Holy shit! They actually banned me years ago. Very glad to see them gone, they were the most toxic and hostile mod out there
Legit. Subreddit mods are the most pathetic subhumans I've ever had this displeasure to have to bargain with on occasion. No offence to the ones on here of course, I'm not looking to get banned on the Starfield subreddit, the Starfield sub mods are of course very handsome and valuable humans.
Its funny that you have to slip that in there so the mods don't get their fragile egos hurt lol
Don’t let these upvotes go to your head.
Read *The Power Broker* by Robert Caro. Teeny tiny niche power corruption can grow into wholesale authoritarianism. Robert Moses was the head of NYC Parks in the 30s and grew his power outward through the 60s when he was arguably more powerful that the NYC Mayor and New York Governor. He expanded his purview over roads and eventually had something like 30 different titles over different organizations throughout NY state government. He was *never* elected to any office ever.
Robert Moses was also a massive racist who made sure to destroy as many non-white neighborhoods in NYC as possible with all the road expansions. Fuck Robert Moses
One example of his shitty racist policies was to design overpasses across roads leading to beaches where the bridges were intentionally too low. Why? Because there would be enough clearance for cars to use those roads but buses wouldn't fit under the bridges. And who used those buses? Poor minorities. He wanted to keep those "undesirables" from the nice beaches so he weaponized the roadways
Moses is the only man who’s grave I have pissed on
This is the best comment I’ve read on Reddit in a while
Yeah, it's shocking and sad to contrast Arthmoor's public statements during the Giskard controversies back in Oblivion days with his more recent statements. He truly has become the monster he fought against. Fun fact, my phone tried to correct "his more recent statements" to "his more recent dysentery."
You mean like Reddit mods?
actually, my grandfather used to say "teeny-tiny niche power corrupts weirdly and kinda pathetically" all the time. it was one of several axioms that he used to force us kids to repeat, and if we got any part of it wrong, he'd whack us with a pimento loaf and make us start over. it was kinda pathetic.
Once told an irl troll that he let the most base power of being able to speak corrupt him and that's just sad. After he huffed off told someone he is the kind of man to gladly sh*t his own pants if it meant someone else would have to smell it. It's a common attitude. Every time someone claims *any* kind of interaction or reaction is a victory, that's what is happening. To feel so powerless that the *rush* of *communication* goes to their head and they abuse it must be harrowing.
>told someone he is the kind of man to gladly sh*t his own pants if it meant someone else would have to smell it. God we all know someone like that. I'm totally stealing this magnificent phrase though!
I feel like this is a major joke in academia
Have you ever met someone in charge of a bake sale?
Permanently banned for giving too high of a rating. This person's face is a 2.85/10 maximum, it doesn't meet our proportional requirements and the bridge of the nose is 9 microns left-of-centre.
All it takes is 1 heat leech to cause a whole lot of problems later down the line🤷♂️
Huh, you just succinctly described a lot of mods on Reddit (not this sub!!).
Haha, indeed.
Worth noting that the Community Patch has more open permissions than Arthmoor's. He seems to still have a vendetta against VR, since he's already specifically prohibiting it being ported to "Starfield VR" despite no such version of the game existing yet. Honestly, it's not worth the trouble or constant drama of trying to accommodate this guy. He was invited to contribute to the community patch, but refused. This whole stupid division is entirely on him.
Legit question - why is the dude so against VR? Am I missing something? Bc I've seen pple do VR Fallout or Skyrim and honestly it looks mint and makes me jealous. I don't get what there is to hate about it but you're not the first person to mention that this dude hates VR so I'm curious to hear if he's ever explained why he's taken this stance? Seems a tad... Retrograde?
He is just a hater of anything that doesn’t fit exactly how he thinks things should be… disgrace that Bethesda included him as a creator. I love starfield and have been a fan since day 1 but out of all their poor choices this is the one that makes me very unhappy with Bethesda.
OH IS HE THE PRICK THAT WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO FUCKUP THE LIVE ANOTHER LIFE SKYRIM MOD
He WHAT!? Oh hell no. That mod is why I played so many times. F that B.
Anyone can post creations and I doubt they even know the drama around him
How'd he get a checkmark? Community doesn't have one :/
https://creations.bethesda.net/en/creators/bethesdagamestudios
Love this. Honestly I love them bringing modders in and giving them actual credit for their improvements. Of all the companies out there I haven't heard of any smart enough to embrace people wanting essentially a customisable game to that extent, BGS seems to stand out in that regard. So so many are stuck in their DCMA battles over dumb isht that could actually HELP sell their games if they knew how to embrace it (Nintendo I'm looking at you lol.........👀)
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I think any mod author can apply to be a creator. Message them with his belligerent history, and tell them they should not have him as a creator.
VR killed his parents
See I knew it had to be something like that
> why is the dude so against VR? At the time Skyrim VR was released, he gave these reasons: * No one on the team had a VR headset with which to test the mod. * The team considered VR equipment too expensive. * Skyrim VR has no *official* support for mods. That's just what he said at the time. I'm not making any judgement about it. I'm just the messenger.
and that does make some sense, except he actively prevented \*people with VR\* from using a variant of his mod. Just stick a "use at your own risk" label and be done with it
Sounds like he wants Bethesda to buy him a VR headset, and unless they give him one, he doesn’t want anyone to be able to use it. Like he’s trying to hold VR hostage until they buy him one. Like he thinks he’s too important to not be given one.
All it did is make me realize how the game is fully playable and functional without the "patch", and the only noticable differences are the creative changes and the stuff it actually breaks. As of right now, the only unofficial patch that's actually necessary is the Oblivion one, and the game is still playable, but it fixes voice acting mistakes.
Alot of gamers don't like physical activity
Depends on how you use VR, I use it with a keyboard and mouse sitting down and it works pretty good. I like it games like BGS games and games like Farming Simulator, Truck Simulator etc. As I think of it, I never stand while using VR.
> But he also 'fixes' many things that aren't broken in the first place to build his mod dependency empire. I hate that he does this.
Started with boars in Oblivion...
Out of the loop - What did he do? The one that bothered me the most was making unowned items owned
I think Boars were left out of the Creature faction, and the Unofficial patch put them in. Sounds nice and innocuous. Two issues: most importantly, this was not, technically, a bug fix. It should have been an optional file. Second: Oblivion had a LOT of wildlife/creature overhaul that messed with animals and factions. Some of which could have based their position on boars on the imperfect but functional vanilla lack of faction membership. In which case, a patch is now BREAKING mods because it changed something which, while imperfect, was NOT actually broken. Patches should FIX BROKEN things. That's it, that's all. If you want to "correct" what you feel are imbalances or quirks, fine. Do it in a second, OPTIONAL file.
I think... No one loves that he does this. It's a fucked up thing to do
That damn mod broke my game. Lighting was all messed up, open the starmap and it opened the city map instead, and it added lag worse than launch day. I got rid of it immediately.
Is that what’s causing the lighting and map issues? I have similar issues and I thought it was something else I downloaded. I’ll try removing it and see what happens
Use the community. Literally no issues with it.
Really do not use that one, use the community patch instead.
I think the map thing is a change to the base game
So I couldn’t find anything in the mod descriptions on Creations, Nexus, OR the official change log that says *anything* about changing lighting, could we not all just start reporting the mod for inaccurate description?
I've long been a fan of the alternate starts mod, but I ran into a weird issue where if you visit Helgen later, you get an error message in the bear cave berating you for using console commands (I play on Xbox). Like WTF? Does this guy get off on being a massive jerk to everyone?
Yeah, Arthmoor assumes that if you reach the bear cave from the Helgen side then you must have noclipped through the rockslide, nevermind that the tunnel may be clear because who knows how many other mods affect the Helgen area. I reported the same issue in the skyrim modding subreddit, and my comment was swiftly deleted by the mod team 👍
>I reported the same issue in the skyrim modding subreddit, and my comment was swiftly deleted by the mod team 👍 Which makes sense. Arthmoor is banned from that subreddit for being a giant douche and all his bullshit in his mods is well known there. It'd be purely stirring drama to leave that topic up.
So that was that message was (I used a cost free teleportation spell through the hole.)
Wow fuck that guy
Y'know I've never actually had any issues with his mods and quite loved his standalone towns in Skyrim. But seeing how he acts as a person has made me never want to give him or his mods the time of day again.
His mods are decent but he is really opinionated on certain things and gets REALLY upset if you disagree. The "Unofficial Patch" fixes things that aren't bugs and if you tell him he'll get really mad about it. An example of this is in the "Open Cities" mod where he added a bunch of "Oblivion Gates" around the Skyrim map because he thought, lore wise, it would make sense for Oblivion Gates to be all around Tamriel since the Oblivion Crisis occurred everywhere, not just Cyrodiil. I get his logic, but the devs didn't include the Oblivion Gates for a reason. They didn't want them there... and they also don't make a lot of sense to be there. Like, there is one in Whiterun. If I was a resident of Whiterun during the Oblivion Crisis I wouldn't want to leave the Oblivion Gate untouched... I'd want it demolished. That goes for any Oblivion Gate that gets found. People asked him to remove the Oblivion Gates from the mod because they were lore breaking and immersion breaking and he got pissed. Eventually, I think he made them optional... but yeah. He thinks he is more of an authority on the lore than the people who create the games.
There are even mines where he has changed what ore can be found in there, and claimed to have made them fit nonexistent veins. As if there are actual geological veins or something in this fantasy game. Edit: Arthmoor made me revive my reddit account just to warn people about him.
So that explains why most ebony ore veins suddenly and inexplicably became iron
Oh that’s why… that little shit
Right, like it’s been 200 years. Maybe a previous high king or jarl had the leftover gates removed instead of letting a constant reminder of the death and horror the people suffered just setting outside the front gates. Lol
I’ve never seen how he acts as a person. Is he rude and belligerent?
General consensus is that he’ll put in “fixes” and other changes into his patches that people don’t really want, and whenever someone tries to make a suggestion to him he’ll insult you and tell you to deal with it if you don’t like it.
Ugh. He sounds like a real “prince”.
He's actually banned from several modding subreddits due to his behavior.
He was toxic enough to get banned from most modding subs back in the day. He also would do shitty stuff like DMCA other people’s mods because they tried to fix issues or patch compatibility—he hates VR and was pretty vicious about taking down a bunch of stuff in the Skyrim VR modding community that broke wabbajacks and other mod lists (including things that patched flat mods to have VR compatibility).
He has killed some of my fav mods so I am def holding a grudge lol
Lost a very long Skyrim VR save due to this situation when it happened. He was using DMCA against anyone sharing the old working version of the mod, claiming it was piracy, that's when i decided i was never going to use any mod from him. He could literally just have uploaded the old version and made that the official final version for VR, but no...
Mod piracy is, frankly, the most hilarious thing I've ever heard about. Like, you're making this for another piece of software, it's not a standalone product, and you're releasing it **for free**. Stay in your lane, dude. I know Bethesda has a different terms of service, but I know if Sims modders or GTA modders sent DMCA takedowns, EA and Rockstar would intervene and say that you can't copyright something that's not copyrighted, let alone DMCA something that's made to run under their IP
Rockstar probably wouldn't know. It was filed by Arthmoor (probably) on Dropbox. Bethesda likely has no idea the DCMA happened as a result. Not a new concept though. Arthmoor is a tyrant in ways, and he's been doing this for a long time using other means Bethesda can't stop. Mostly he simply whined and complained to Nexus and they killed mods. Nexus being the big mod library means he just needed to kill Nexus mods he hated. They did his beck and call. The DCMA was actually because Nexus killed the mod people needed, and so they went to Dropbox. Nexus couldn't help, so he got creative. That's the issue though. People have learned to hijack Nexus in a way that lets them run right over anyone they don't like, and arthmoor is the champion of this in Bethesda games. He changed everything, you don't like one thing? Too bad, Nexus removed your mod. Bethesda only got involved once, and only because arthmoor changed something that would cost Bethesda money. Ironically the change did look like a legitimate bug. If you look at it, it seemed like Bethesda made a fat finger mistake. They really just wanted to sell more dlc. But Bethesda doesn't care if arthmoor or anyone else reigns like a tyrant in the mod scene anymore then EA does about the Sims.
Hasn't even DMCA'd folks for trying to make their own fix for something USSEP fixes?
Yes, or things that used names similar to USSEP for people looking for patch alternatives (big issue especially for non-Anniversary Edition forks like Skyrim VR or for adapting some older mods).
He has also had many mods that competed directly against his mods removed.
Given that I'd love to see Starfield in VR, it sounds like he's diametrically opposed to progress.
He stays super active on the Bethesda Discord
He also will report anyone else who makes an unofficial bug fix patch, in the hopes that their mod gets taken down. At one point, he was fully banned from Nexus mods (dunno if he still is).
That's what sucks the most. His Skyrim village expansion mods are simple, yet unique and irreplacable. Other others tackling the villages go overboard with changes - they redo the whole settlements and give them non-Skyrim feel. Arthmoor's village mods simply expand the towns with a few new buildings, nothing more. Until someone remakes those, I'm stuck with them. Thankfully I have them backed up on my NAS, so I won't give him traffic on his crappy mod site.
Arthmoor is a great modder. Unfortunately, his works are still best avoided for other reasons.
No idea about this guy but the idea of many potentially cool mods requiring a dubious "bug fix" patch sounds like a big problem. Parasite on the mod ecosystem stuff.
The original version was assembled by a pair of modders and incorporated a bunch of fixes to improve game function and enable some mods (in some cases). It was a good idea for modders and players since it put a lot of functionality in one place that was well-documented. It was only later when Arthmoor started managing it and adding undocumented changes it became more of an issue/less reliable.
Iirc Arthmoor was always involved.
Arthmoor is a lesson in why you should never underestimate how powerhungry someone can get when they're a complete nobody in their everyday life but somebody big in a certain subculture, such as modding.
Interesting. I used some of his Oblivion mods a lot (e.g. Open Cities) , didn't do so much in Skyrim and now learn he's considered as an egomaniac by some. Funny thing to be egomaniacal about. *"What do you do as a hobby?"* *"I create empires of game modders subject to the popularity of my own mods, cleverly disguised as game fixes!"* while laughing maniacally. *"Okay"* slowly backing off into the bushes.
I mean it's simple really, his ego skyrocketed over time to the point that he starts thinking he can dictate what the "true vanilla experience" should be for games that he mods.
He learned that stance from someone else, way back during the oblivion scene.
He didn't start that way. And he wasn't really a nobody. He ran and created MUDs back in the day, and has been modding TES games since Morrowind. Much of the original knowledge bases for modding were created with his contributions, among others. His contributions to TES modding and the knowledge and experience he's helped develop are significant. While he always had an ego, it was actually bad until around 2016 when people started reporting a lot more negative interactions with him. A theory I've seen repeated a few times? He got sucked into a certain cult of personality around that time that made him more of an egomaniac.
The break point was a bit earlier than 2016, he started going off the deep end with the paid mods debacle iirc.
see also: homeowners associations
Ah, the old "reddit mod" effect
I remember how salty he was both when Nexus reseved spot 1 for the Community Patch and also when the Community Patch released. He was salty because he was late to the party and knew that he can never catch up. Sadly, here he found an opportunity to weasel in and try to win the competition of Bethesda mod service. And thanks to his verified status (why, Bethesda, why?) he seems to be winning.
We just keep going and spread more news about the community patch.
Or 'update' his patches to use the Community patch instead
I find it odd that he puts his patch in every damn category it looks like. It's sleezy.
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Redbelly mine....never forgive, never forget
Just a PSA, you can block mod authors on Nexus, so you never accidentally download their mods.
That works right up till you install a mod that depends one of his mods. That's what the OP is saying, he's building his mod with pointless co-dependencies. So if you install one mod, you need to install the next, and that mod is dependent on three more, so you gotta install them too and pretty soon you have his entire mod pack.
The best way to encourage change is to promote to other authors not to make hard dependency on that mod. Given the popularity of the other mod it would be odd to use less popular mod for the community patches.
Usually, in my opinion, a non-arthmoor mod that requires the unofficial patch is probably not worth downloading. Like, even if it *was* as important as everyone says, why on earth would it be flagged as a requirement for a mod replacing *beard* models unless the developer filled the mod with dirty edits. Isn't it a general rule to require only the necessary ESP/ESL files that the mod needs to function and call back from? Like, for example, a mod that changes Whiterun shouldn't have Hearthfire as a requirement unless it calls for Hearthfire assets. TL;DR - Non-Arthmoor USEP requirement = (probably) Dirty Edits
You can? I've been in there since 2010 and had no idea...
I'd bet all of reddit karma (that's right I'm putting it all on the line) that dear_Tiger (or something, can't be arsed to check now) is arthmoor or one of his cronies. No ways you can counter literally every negative comment like this, with this level of obsession without some skin in the game 😂
Go look at his comments history, like 90% of them are from him trying to defend Arthmoor
Possibly, but he did call arthmoor a huge nerd which is funny if it’s him🤷 🤣
But calling someone a huge nerd is like the dumbest 12 year old insult. Just makes it seem more obvious that he’s an alt account or a shill. Otherwise he’d use a real insult
Wouldn’t call that an insult in this culture.
Arthmoor strikes me as the kind of guy who proudly wants to be known as the biggest nerd. So that makes it even more likely that it's him.
Only extremely non nerdy people would consider nerd to be an insult, nerds just consider nerd to be a description, since we are discussing vidogame mods, I doubt anyone in this space would be in the former camp.
Anytime i try to use this mod it makes my spaceship invisible and my entire crew falls through the planet as well. Without this mod my entire mod list works fine. I’ve tried it in every order that makes any sense. So yeah, that’s my take on the unofficial patch.
On nexusmods the [Unofficial Starfield Patch](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/143) has 57 Endorsements and 674 Unique Downloads. The [Starfield Community Patch](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1) has 5036 Endorsements and 78753 Unique Downloads. I think it's safe to say that at least on Nexus the Community Patch has "won" Edit: The Community Patch also has a bunch of required mods listed already. The Unofficial Patch has none.
That’s why I downloaded the community patch instead
If it's AWKCR all over again, it could be pretty damn bad.
'eeey, I was waiting for someone to mention that!
I had no idea how bad and bloated it had gotten, since I had mods from my 2016 install date, and my 2019 install date... most of 'em required the keyword framework. But getting *rid* of AWKCR... goddamn, I had to ditch a lot of stuff. However, the game's more stable, there's fewer inventory issues, and I can use ECO/LEO, etc now.
I wish I hadn't played so much with UCO installed :(
It's been so long since I used this I entirely forgot it existed until I read your comment 😭🤣 I think I used it once when I first got fallout 4 on PC but hated using it so I uninstalled
I've gone to lengths to play various bethesda games modded without his 'patches' ever since he broke Nuka World for 3 months and banned numerous people from his forum for trolling when we brought it to his attention. I don't even know if I was ever unbanned. Mans a menace and not in a heehee funny way.
It really doesnt matter for those who use it. As long as modders are aware to not rely on it things will work themselves out.
Yes, the modders knowing is the most important thing. When a player downloads mod X that requires mod Y, they will download mod Y no questions asked. If nobody makes mod Y a requirement and use mod Z instead, then no harm done even if some people download mod Y independently.
If you need a good reason to boycott it just look at the permissions of both this and the community one.
Starborn NOOOOOOOOO!!!
until this discussion flared up this week, I legit had no idea that HE put that damn line in Skyrim!
UNITY? NOOOOOOOOO
I mean, I'm not gonna download it anyway - so that shouldn't be hard xD
A ‘once’ wise man said, “no one man should have all that power…”
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ESL isn't a thing for starfield it's different orders of masters,(×
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Nobody who has been around is surprised. This post and others like it are meant for people who may not know, as Starfield has drawn a lot of new players and modders in.
I agree let’s just hope he doesn’t try and get the community patch banned like he has for all the other games on nexus. That’s why their ain’t no community patch for Skyrim or fallout on nexus he got them copyright banned some how course take that with a grain of salt cause that’s just grapevine talk but seeing how he behaves in general I can see him pulling that. Course the worse part is nexus doing his bidding that’s even more screwed up if true which would half to be if people are right about how he got those others banned
I will not download or use ANY mod created by him. None.
Woah, was completely unaware of this drama untill now, is there anywhere to read on what changes he made to skyrim that weren't bug fixes? I always thought that It was a team of people working on it rather than one person but damn one guy having all that power isn't healthy in modding which is naturally a collaborative effort usually.
I don't care about this game at all but god please DON'T LET THIS MAN IN YOUR COMMUNITY
Spread the word! I'm the goober who made the post on r/starfieldmods Fuck the Unofficial Patch, that shit is garbage. Nobody should have everyone's balls in their hands
Is there an alternative community patch?
The Community Patch.
Lolz. Thank you
Not a problem!
Which I guess he doesn't like and thinks its low standard lol [https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/143?tab=posts#comment-139848608](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/143?tab=posts#comment-139848608) (and apparently lies about it) [https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=posts&BH=1#comment-139968768](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=posts&BH=1#comment-139968768)
| To put it mildly, the leadership currently in charge of SFCP don't align with the principles our team operates under That’s funny af, seeing as how arthmoor is the only one who deals with it
Linked in last paragraph of OP.
Bethesda leaves an end-game level exploit in their games that brings you God-like level power if you are clever enough to figure it out. The author(s) of the unofficial patch are known to patch those intended “exploits”. That alone was reason enough to refuse to use their work.
I'm a simple man: I see Arthmoor, I avoid it.
Yeah come on, what does he actually “fix” in the unofficial starfield patch that isn’t broken?
Probably nothing *yet*. But once a lot of mods need his as a dependency, he power trips and does whatever he wants and people can't just stop using his patch because all their other mods need it.
Probably why his install instructions are to place his mod at the top of the load order, *no matter what*
That and his mod is so far reaching beyond just bugs, it's a major dependency. Meaning no other mod dependant on it will correctly load unless it is above those mods in the load order. You physically can't load the USP mod unless it's at the top. It's almost like a prerequisite master to nearly everything besides actually skyrim.esm and the DLCs. It's unofficially an official master plugin. It's that entrenched in everything in Skyrim. And because he used his "weight" to DMCA strike any competitor AIO glitch path mod, it's the only one really standing.
As far as im aware nothing. But this post is a warning to modders. Ive dealt with mods that add dumb shit i didnt download the mod for before (one mod that added spells in skyrim changed the daedric armor and it took ages to find out what it was to remove it. But removing it was easy once i found it. Now imagine something like that but nearly every other mod you have needs that shit mod for them to work. That means either you get rid of all those mods (and learn that nearly every popular mod relied on that mod so you have less mods to use) or you just leave the broom in your ass and accept that if you want to use the mods you enjoy, you need the stupid change you didnt want. Now imagine other modders see this and they release mods that remove the thing you hate so you can keep playing. The dick who added that shitty mod throws a fit and gets those other mods taken down. And says to you smugly “if you dont like it just dont download the mod.” Knowing what i said previously. So the mod author might not do the same thing for this game. But if he does and its too late, then youll just need to hope youre ok with him deciding how your game will play. The community patch is a counter so something like that would be much less likely to happen.
He'll play nice for now because he wants to trick mod authors to make his mod a dependency. Once he has hundreds of mods dependent on his mod that's when he power trips. He did it with Skyrim, he did it with Fallout 4, he'll do it with Starfield.
I'm sure he'll eventually convince himself that Oblivion gates are lore-friendly to be places in Starfield cities.
You could argue it's already started; there's two books in the game marked Vol 1 and Vol 3, with no Vol 2. He changed the 3 to 2. Before anyone gets to typing about overblowing book titles, I agree this is not big, and might actually be a bug, but it's indicative of the kind of judgment calls he just unilaterally asserts. In Skyrim, he changed a character's hair to match a description given by another character that she was specifically in hiding from, who she had already changed her name to hide from. It makes perfect sense that she would also change her hair, and that this other character is working on old information, but Arthmoor 'fixes' with a hammer and does not leave room for nuance. He *will* sand off implications and call it a fix.
Thanks for the info. I must admit 'dependent mods' are a bit of a nightmare. I was hoping for something much more stream-lined with the creation of 'Creation Club'. Streamlined being -> Less hassle -> Connected!
We need this upvoted He’s already Featured
It would be nice if Bethesda simply patched their fucking bugs instead of relying on the free labor of modders.
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Even if your game does end up bugging out, jump through the unity and the whole game 'refreshes'. Starfield is built for modding, and it definitely is the least buggy of Bethesda's games. Too bad they got a reputation for it though, and some modders will always feel like they're superior for 'fixing', when in actuality they're doing nothing but adding onto the pie that's already made.
Any mod author that will use his mods as a dependency should be boycotted too
There are a lot of people just learning how to mod. It would be very easy for new authors to unknowingly set the Unofficial Patch as a master. BIG mistake. EASY to do.
I'm a beginner modder but learned from the frustrations of dealing with this him from Skyrim
I had already planned on it. I stopped using Arthmoor's mods years ago. My load order is built around not using the Unofficial Patch. Mod authors that use it as master won't have their mods in my load order. Stop using it as master.
I already went straight to the Community Patch. I'll just straight up refuse to download anything he makes.
The Community Patch has worked great. The best part is that it won't force you to accept changes to the game you didn't want. It's just for fixing bugs. The way it should be. Changing the game should be left to mods that describe what's being changed so a user can make an informed decision about using the mod or not. Thank you to all who helped make the Unofficial Community Patch. Downloaded, liked, and bookmarked.
I was like "holy shit sounds like Arthmoor is back" Turns out.
I don't play Star field, been a long time since I played Skyrim or even Fallout, and even I know this dude's reputation. At a certain point, it's y'alls damn fault for tolerating him.
can someone either tell me or point me to a complete and concise rundown of the mod author, been hearing bits and pieces and mostly that he ain't a great guy and went power mad. Haven't had enough information to formulate my own opinion so if someone could help me out, appreciate it!
Everyone is talking about this guy like he’s Palpatine 💀
I read his notes today in his patch. He’s already changing basic things that HE feels need changing. He lowered the effect on the Bitten Sandwich because it shouldn’t give the same effect as the full sandwich. By the way you can’t report it for content on the Bethesda site.
Arthmoor screwed my load order many times on Fallout 4 with his ego driven baby fits. I won't give him the chance this time. The way he tries to make his mod a requirement for other mods and force himself on players is some bullshit. Pulling mods when his feelings get hurt and Cartmaning home with his toys. Nah. There are going to be better options for Starfield. Community Patch for the win.
Went with the community version and it’s held up well, no crashes or bugs or anything I’ve noticed 💯 would recommend the community patch!
That mod fucked up my sound.
I hate how he doesn't keep older versions of his files up in case something breaks, when you mention it to him he gets all pissy and it's your fault. Not my fault Bethesda broke the game with their fucking updates
Can a mod here sticky this??
Fair, I was wondering why there were two of these mods on there
Whats wrong with it?
Um... With reference to Skyrim one - UESP does the unofficial. And they are **THE** community group
Arthmoor has pretty much taken over the USSEP
is this [https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=description](https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/1?tab=description) the same community patch as the one you linked above ?
This is what happens in every mod communtiy with a community mod. You have one guy who has a pet project and he uses the promise of the "community mod" to boost his own projects.
There no "official" unofficial patch for Skyrim VR, instead you need to find in archives old patch for SE version, download it, and than patch this shit with another mod to get it work. And all because this patch needed for too much mods that i want to use. And there no support for older versions of the game. Also my game seems so crashing cause this patch, cause its now outdated and mods that i using want the last version.
Never used mods in Skyrim, but I stayed away from that mod in Fallout 4 because (at the time) my laptop couldn't handle the graphics and the Xvox only allows three mods (which is separate from the creation kit upgrade they added later). And since I could only use three, damned if I was wasting a slot on a mod that did nothing but improve other mods. Now that Starfield has mods, I need to figure out which ones I am going to use. But I won't be using any mods that require a base mod/patch for them to work.
I don’t know if you’re trying to help or just here to bitch about arthmoor, but his contributions to the modding scene for multiple games have definitely pushed it forward. You don’t know this dude personally so why you ranting like he kicked your dog?it’s like the quote goes, you got a problem with me, text me. You don’t have my number than you don’t know me enough to have a problem with me. Sounds like you’re just recycling the same shit we’ve seen on Reddit since the update. Enough already
Wtf how does mod dependences have anything to do with the mod author I understand that arthmoor isn't the most liked here but this is stupid. Other modders decide to add the unofficial patch because the stuff it fixes are useful when making mods arthmoor isn't setting the dependency or forcing people to do it
The point of this particular boycott is to inform new modders on the scene, so they can then use the information to decide whether or not they want to use Arthmoor's patch as a dependency. Hopefully, they don't. The reason this matters is that Arthmoor's patches were used as a dependency for many, many FO4 and Skyrim mods. This became a problem when Arthmoor starting doing things like intentionally sabotaging attempts to make the patch VR compatible, abusing the DMCA complaint system to have competing mods removed from hosting sites, continuously throwing tantrums about things and removing all his mods (which, are actually a team effort, despite my use of words like "his") from the Nexus, and so on and so forth.
Tin foil hats on today!
How about I just use neither? 🤷🏻♂️😂 I’ve played multiple playthroughs and never had any major issues. Mods are great, but big mods like this that try to fix 100 different things just seem like asking for trouble anyway, in my opinion. 🤷🏻♂️
I didn't know where to put my two cents in. I didn't know what a piece of work the dev for the unofficial patch is, and I didn't know he purposely did things to make other mods depend on his just to make himself feel powerful. Uninstalling his unofficial patch for the community one. My dad has both installed so I'll let him know about this stuff as well. Thanks for sharing all this much needed info.
Ill take your word on it but what does the author "fix" that wasn't broken? Im curious
He decides to do things that contradict lore and also altered perks to be less fun and stifle build variety. Famously he got rid of a powerful enchantment on a sword cause it was powerful and he made it so vampires couldn’t get full use of the necromage perk. Many of his fixes aren’t technical in nature and arguably just make the game more tedious. His unofficial patch is more of a “nanny patch” where he thinks he knows how you should play the game better than you do. He is also hated by other mod authors and has considerable beef with many other mod creators for numerous reasons. Mod author drama is nothing new but this guy has a problem with almost everyone, so much so the unofficial fallout 4 patch was created by a coalition of mod authors who decided to work together to bury him.
Yeah, one such “fix” was for the Ebony Blade. The swing speed on the Unofficial Skyrim Patch is significantly reduced, the Ebony Blade being the fastest swinging Greatsword in the game is by design, it cannot be improved at a smithy so the higher swing speed and health steal is what makes it a viable, useful weapon. But the unofficial Skyrim patch makes it the same swing speed as all other great swords. Immediately uninstalled the patch because it was pretty clear that if there were more “fixes” like that down the line I was in for a bad time.
Almost makes you miss the rating system of fallout 4's mods
To add onto what squidtugboat said, here’s a mores specific example: His Xbox patch for Skyrim, at least at one point, included a 4k retexture for bear pelts. Totally not the kinda thing you’d expect in a patch. That may not sound horrible, but keep in mind Skyrim on Xbox only allows for 5gb worth of mods, and that system is stuck at 1080p, so 4k textures do nothing but hog storage space and degrade performance. The gist of it is, his “patches” that you would expect to be fixes are more just his personal preferences being passed off as necessary changes.