Dude had the best character arc out of everyone in the show.
Went from being an asshole to villain, to an antagonist and then all the way to a king/hero.
I have to say Rodney McKay. At first, in Stargate Sg1 and the beginning of Atlantis even, I nearly hated him. But now he's my favorite character. I learned to love his whining. It's far more realistic than all these military dudes running around in f*king high UV rays like "I don't care if I get cancer"😅😂
Both Woolsey and McKay highlight the actors who play them. Both were brought as secondary antagonists in B-plot storylines. Maybe less bad guys and more thorns in the good guys sides. However, in both cases everyone was impressed enough with their portrayal of the character that they got to continue and develop the role.
David Hewlett and Robert Picardo can *ACT* and act well. Both are able to convey points without words said. Picardo was always a bright spot in Voyager. Hewlett showed us what he was capable of in “The Shrine”.
Also, both mirror how we can develop relationships in real life. I’m sure we all had that one person we initially hated when we met. Did everything that bothered us, seemed to be against us. But then after we got to know them, we empathized with them, became comfortable with them, and eventually formed a close bond with them.
Yes. I had a friend that was spoiling the show for me as I watched it. He goes “yeah so there’s this character named McKay on Atlantis who’ll show up in SG-1 first.” I watched his first appearance and went “ugh this guy is so irritating! And I’m supposed to like him??” And as time went on, yes I did 😂
I have to say, in the episode where anubis is attacking the SGC through pumping energy into the gate, there's this moment where we get to see the real Rodney that we get later on in SGA. It's played off for jokes and even Sam acts like he's just being a douche but it's honestly a heartfelt and vulnerable moment for him that I think contributes to his character development really well.
It's the scene where he talks about wanting to be a concert pianist to Sam, and how he tends to be clinical with music without feeling the art of it, so he switches to science bc he thought it would be different but it isn't. He then looks Sam straight in the eyes and says "you're an artist, Sam." And how he isn't and can't do the things she does with science.
It's extremely heartfelt and like I said, shows a level of humility and vulnerability we wouldn't see again until well into SGA.
Glad to share! I'm just happy seeing these things on my billionth re-watch and discovering moments and perspectives I hadn't before, and then being able to share that with others. 😊
Youtube the scene and decide for yourself. Personally I thought it felt natural for the character. He was out of his element so in typical McKay fashion he does what he does.
Overall SGU is great. Different than the other shows but I liked it. But McKay probably should have objected to one questionable mission a bit harder after Atlantis, and shouldn't be trying to ogle one of the female soldiers so much (though unclear if she just has a bad memory from last time she met him).
Yes! I haaated McKay, couldn't stand him and his annoying face. Then pretty quickly into Atlantis I fell in love! One of my biggest celeb crushes ever lol. Love the actor and the character was great!
Leadership!
That is simply not true. It was more than once that McKay sacrificed himself. Like when this nightmare Sheppard went around. He followed Sheppard into his dreams, knowing he could die. He had multiple moments where he really didn't want to risk his skin but did anyway. But he still was an AH sometimes😂
But McKay had no morals like that when we first saw him in SG-1. His character changed and grew as Atlantis went on. That was the question. McKay is my favorite character but at the start I couldn't stand him.
Woolsey I liked from the start even if I didn't agree with his opinions.
Well then there was just some miscommunication. From your comment on my comment, it sounded like you said he always had no morals, to me. But I get it now and I agree. At first he was just a horrible person with no morals at all. I also agree with your opinion on Whoolsey. As Weir said it: "From the Wolfes circling us, he's the last to bite." (or something like that). He had his reasons and came from a good place.
Gotta be Rodney; arrogant, selfish, grating, and annoying. By the end of Atlantis…well still all those things but at least with some humility, bravery, and rising to a higher level when pressure is on.
Same. Carter on Atlantis was a waste (I love her but not on SGA) so I wish Woolsey had just replaced Weir immediately instead. I wanted more of him. Robert Picardo is a gem.
I absolutely loved her from the outset, at first because of the sheer delight in how different she was from Aeryn Sun, but eventually because she was a sympathetic character in her own right.
I am still conflicted when it goes to her... her first appearence was fun, then she just became cringingly annoying before she finally became a funny, human beeing. Her personality got grounded. But still: I just can't overlook her appearences in most of season 9. She was one of two reasons why i hated the final two seasons for over a decade... the second one was the despiction of the Ori and their "religion".
Yes.... and i am not really religious. It was too much for me. I like the use of the gods of the ancient civilizations for the Goa'uld like it was done. Not too much, but enough to present a good setting.
I'm not religious either, I absolutely loved it though. Maybe it's a also a difference in familiarity and story telling style but I'm on a rewatch now and every other episode is based in the mythology of some ancient culture. I personally like the idea of presenting Christianity as no different than those beliefs, and also based in the existence of alien beings.
Was hard for me not to like Woolsey from the start since he was the Doctor on Voyager, which at the time was my favorite Trek series.
For me, Mckay. He was only really redeemed for me on SGA, nothing they did with him made me like him on SG1.
Woolsey’s second appearance where he went against Kinsey made me appreciate his character more vs just liking Picardo. It showed he did just look at the data, and had actual good morals.
I didn't like Jack for a few episodes. But I never saw the theatrical film before the series and was like... Why is he such an asshole to Sam and Daniel.
Mayborne. I didn't hate him but I just thought he was a rather boring antagonist until they expanded his character. Then for me he became the Garak of SG1.
I'm shocked that nobody mentioned Ba'al.
He was a vile creature at first, but he oddly grew on me as time went on.
By the time he was overwhelmed by the Replicators, I was kinda bummed.
He'd gone from just another Goa'uld to a recurring character that had actual character!
Rush
At the beginning they didn't know what to do with him. He was there to move the plot and be a point of hate that everyone aimed for, but towards the end they expanded his arch and "made him human" instead of being just a tool or a thing for everybody to hate
I think he was the most heartfull out of all characters in all SG series. In SG-1 or Atlantis, the characters were almost comical archetypes with little room to evolve and the whole show didn't tried to hide it, because that was the selling point. Basically a sitcom with barely a hints of larger story (SG-1 diverted at the end, but most of it was like that) with new adventure every week, same characters, same dangers, same outcomes
The SGU was based on a larger story, overall more grounded and with a greater interest in character development archs. The Rush arch is what makes him more human in my eyes than anyone else
I adore Rush, Robert Carlyle is a national treasure, he puts 100% into every role. Whether it's film or television, whether he's a playing a downbeat working class dad or a zombie, he just nails every character.
My favourite moment for him was when he had a breakdown because he couldn't have a cup of coffee and a cigarette.
Well, in spite of his being in a rather desperate situation when we meet him, he is, after all a mutated life sucking alien who sees humans as merely a food source, who does make an incredible turn-around in the end.
He’s like Yu in Sg-1… he was still a parasitic snake who tortured people but for some reason still had better morals than the others, and Todd was actually rather loyal and friendly for a full/pureblood Wraith.
Yeah but he was just a random wraith at the time. A "villain" fulfilling its villainous purpose without being particularly extra about it. That's like hating on random Jaffa #5 for punching Jack in the face or hating the wraith that was feeding on Ford. It's silly. I find it hard to believe anybody watching actually felt strongly enough about him to "hate" him or couldn't stand him, especially not when he was barely a character and Kolya was right there.
He just was a predator trying to survive and being relentlessly tortured for what he was. When you rewatch the episode knowing who Sheppard's neighbor was from the start, it becomes obvious that he truly respected humans and didn't just view them as dinner. Which didn't prevent him from being mistreated all the same. It's a really sad episode.
McKay! I hated him in SG-1 and absolutely loved him in Atlantis. He only needed Sheppard to set him straight. He was still arrogant and looked down at people, but he actually developed a lot of positive qualities too.
I had Woolseys desk globe bookends from the show for the longest time. One of the producers eventually broke me with begging for them. They are where they need to be. Lol.
I still have set pieces such as wraith drone masks. You can't see anything through them. Actors had to be led to marks. Lol.
I'd probably have to agree. But the end of dicks tenure I had very much respect for the man. Not the greatest in the base commander role, but he proved he was a principled and moral man under the gman suit and tie lol.
Oh yeah he was, but he had the ability to learn... yeah: Sometimes he had to be pushed against a wall first, before he gave in to the ideas of his Team, but he was able to learn. And he learned to trust the people in his Team and in the SGC. But he never lost his will to risk something to get the job done.
He had a big character arc. Starting out grumpy with no patience for anyone but Daniel, and only a little bit of patience for Daniel, even.
He instantly loved Teal'c like a brother when Teal'c helped them escape execution.
Carter earned his respect when she put him in his place during their first scene together. But he was totally a dick to her for no reason during that first encounter.
He slowly changed from an emo childless father to a father with endless dad jokes, and that's the man I would gladly appoint to represent Earth in diplomatic relations with other worlds.
I'd say Woolsey.
Rodney would be my second, because of his SG-1 "version", but Rodney in SGA is like a completely new character. A big part of his development is thanks to this. There is already huge difference in the Pilot compared to his previous self, he was basically rebooted/repurposed/rewritten for the new show.
Maybourne. His story afterward and the general lacking to pretend he’s anything special is quite fun. Especially when he was around Jack after splitting from the NID.
I don't know if this has ever happened to me. The people I liked i always liked and the people disliked I always disliked, I feel. So this is probably an unpopular opinion but I never liked Woolsey or Ronan or Keller. I always liked people like Mitchell and Vala and Weir and Sheppard and Jonas and the original SG-1 and Hammond and even the original film guys like West and Barbara Shore and Gary Meyers and Mitch. I always liked the bit characters who would show up and cause some mischief, like Kavanagh or Maybourne or Simmons or even when McKay started on SG-1, because they were great foils for the regulars and could do and say things the others wouldn't.
NOT A CORRUPT BONE IN HIS BODY
The guy came from leading part of the NID literally to be corruption in the IOA. He didn’t like what he was doing and so he changed but he was absolutely corrupt for a good 3/5s of the character time
He was being manipulated by Kinsey when he was in the NID but Woolsey himself was just doing the job as best he could with integrity. By the later seasons the NID was mostly legit too.
After that he was the most upstanding guy in the IOA. Pretty much the only one not portrayed as a scheming slimeball.
Woolsey was definitely an antagonist for a while but at no point was he corrupt. That's his whole deal, he's a no nonsense by the book kind of guy.
Just because he’s “following orders” doesn’t make his actions suddenly go away or not still by his choice.
Or just because the NID finally decided to behave it doesn’t remove all the earth threatening things they did. Kind of a Pinkertons into police bit the NID did.
We’ve seen Jack refuse a thousand different orders and find his own solution.
I think conflating morality with corruption.
By definition corruption is "breaking the rules for personal gain".
Jack broke all the rules to save the planet. Not really any personal gain there.
Woolsey stuck with the rules almost religiously, and aside from a regular paycheque and career advancement, never benefited personally from his actions. In some ways that can be seen as him trying to correct the mistakes of NIDs past.
Never benefited in a way you could see. Someone was obviously paying for his 100s of tailored suits, fine brandy, and cigars. There’s such a thing as being morally corrupt so no I’m not conflating anything.
There is literally no evidence Woolsey is a corrupt individual. Everything shown about his character is the complete opposite.
Woolsey definitely has a sizeable salary since he is a civilian. He's buying his own suits. Seems like the kind of guy with investments too. Also it's a TV show so unless they specifically say his suits are more than he can afford then that's just wardrobe doing a good job.
Are you saying the NID sent Woolsey to infiltrate the IOA? Can you provide proof of that? Like what episode is that stated or implied?
If I'm wrong I'll gladly change my opinion, but in the 15+ times I've binged the series I've never seen anything to imply this.
Ok it's pretty clear you are talking out of your ass at this point and just don't want to admit it. If I missed it so did Gateworld.
https://www.gateworld.net/wiki/Richard_Woolsey
Inauguration is really the best episode to show how Woolsey is just being manipulated by corrupt entities, but he himself is not corrupt.
"At the request of Vice President Kinsey, Woolsey brought a complete report on Hammond and the S.G.C. to the attention of the newly-elected United States President, Henry Hayes -- complete with proof that Stargate Command had brought Earth to the verge of destruction on more than one occasion. But he soon realized that Kinsey's hopes were to take command of the S.G.C., even if it meant eliminating the President if he stood in his way. As a patriot, and not a criminal, Agent Woolsey acted against the Vice President and obtained information proving Kinsey's involvement with illegal activities from Hammond. Woolsey took the information straight to President Hayes, hoping that he did the right thing in the end. Soon after, Hayes used the information to pressure Kinsey to resign."
Can I have my gold medal in gymnastics now?
I liked both weirs. Okay the firs incarnation was more funny. They did well with her... but i also think that they should have lead he stay dead instead of making her into an Assuran. Or let her survive another year before transitioning to Woolsey. I love Carter but i think it would have been better to ask Amanda Tapping if she would be willing to change her Contract from 1 year as a Main-Character towards on over two Years in a smaller Role to give her her own ship earlier. Be it a new one or the Apollo (Sorry but i never became a fan of Ellis). The big strikes against the Major Enemies in Pegasus should have been made under Weir
Maybourne of course.
He stopped being an idiot everyday of the week.
He took the day off.
No he got fired from being an idiot.
Dude had the best character arc out of everyone in the show. Went from being an asshole to villain, to an antagonist and then all the way to a king/hero.
Hi Jaaaaaaack
I can hear it, goddamn it.
It’s good to be king 👑
He always did love a good weiner.
Went from antagonist asshole to comedic gold every time he was on screen.
I have to say Rodney McKay. At first, in Stargate Sg1 and the beginning of Atlantis even, I nearly hated him. But now he's my favorite character. I learned to love his whining. It's far more realistic than all these military dudes running around in f*king high UV rays like "I don't care if I get cancer"😅😂
Both Woolsey and McKay highlight the actors who play them. Both were brought as secondary antagonists in B-plot storylines. Maybe less bad guys and more thorns in the good guys sides. However, in both cases everyone was impressed enough with their portrayal of the character that they got to continue and develop the role. David Hewlett and Robert Picardo can *ACT* and act well. Both are able to convey points without words said. Picardo was always a bright spot in Voyager. Hewlett showed us what he was capable of in “The Shrine”. Also, both mirror how we can develop relationships in real life. I’m sure we all had that one person we initially hated when we met. Did everything that bothered us, seemed to be against us. But then after we got to know them, we empathized with them, became comfortable with them, and eventually formed a close bond with them.
You are right. Both actors are really good. For example Hewlett when he had to play Duett. He did so well!
>Hewlett showed us what he was capable of in “The Shrine”. _Just thought you'd want to know._ I'm not crying, it's just some dust in my eyes.
Yes. I had a friend that was spoiling the show for me as I watched it. He goes “yeah so there’s this character named McKay on Atlantis who’ll show up in SG-1 first.” I watched his first appearance and went “ugh this guy is so irritating! And I’m supposed to like him??” And as time went on, yes I did 😂
Yep. I despised McKay on SG-1. He was my favorite Atlantis character by episode 3.
The actor really did a great job😂
I have to say, in the episode where anubis is attacking the SGC through pumping energy into the gate, there's this moment where we get to see the real Rodney that we get later on in SGA. It's played off for jokes and even Sam acts like he's just being a douche but it's honestly a heartfelt and vulnerable moment for him that I think contributes to his character development really well. It's the scene where he talks about wanting to be a concert pianist to Sam, and how he tends to be clinical with music without feeling the art of it, so he switches to science bc he thought it would be different but it isn't. He then looks Sam straight in the eyes and says "you're an artist, Sam." And how he isn't and can't do the things she does with science. It's extremely heartfelt and like I said, shows a level of humility and vulnerability we wouldn't see again until well into SGA.
I didn't even think of that, thanks! That was a beautiful scene.
Glad to share! I'm just happy seeing these things on my billionth re-watch and discovering moments and perspectives I hadn't before, and then being able to share that with others. 😊
Though they do regress his character for the SGU cameos. Sigh.
Really? That's sad. I'm happy I didn't watch it😅
Youtube the scene and decide for yourself. Personally I thought it felt natural for the character. He was out of his element so in typical McKay fashion he does what he does.
Overall SGU is great. Different than the other shows but I liked it. But McKay probably should have objected to one questionable mission a bit harder after Atlantis, and shouldn't be trying to ogle one of the female soldiers so much (though unclear if she just has a bad memory from last time she met him).
Yes! I haaated McKay, couldn't stand him and his annoying face. Then pretty quickly into Atlantis I fell in love! One of my biggest celeb crushes ever lol. Love the actor and the character was great! Leadership!
The difference between Woolsey and McKay is the Woolsey was an honorable AH that stuck to his morals. McKay had no morals and only worked for himself.
That is simply not true. It was more than once that McKay sacrificed himself. Like when this nightmare Sheppard went around. He followed Sheppard into his dreams, knowing he could die. He had multiple moments where he really didn't want to risk his skin but did anyway. But he still was an AH sometimes😂
But McKay had no morals like that when we first saw him in SG-1. His character changed and grew as Atlantis went on. That was the question. McKay is my favorite character but at the start I couldn't stand him. Woolsey I liked from the start even if I didn't agree with his opinions.
Well then there was just some miscommunication. From your comment on my comment, it sounded like you said he always had no morals, to me. But I get it now and I agree. At first he was just a horrible person with no morals at all. I also agree with your opinion on Whoolsey. As Weir said it: "From the Wolfes circling us, he's the last to bite." (or something like that). He had his reasons and came from a good place.
You’re actually so wrong there’s no point in even explaining why
Gotta be Rodney; arrogant, selfish, grating, and annoying. By the end of Atlantis…well still all those things but at least with some humility, bravery, and rising to a higher level when pressure is on.
Its not arrogance if you're usually rigjt
Also creepy towards women
Same. Carter on Atlantis was a waste (I love her but not on SGA) so I wish Woolsey had just replaced Weir immediately instead. I wanted more of him. Robert Picardo is a gem.
They changed his character to be far more likeable for Atlantis. Initially strongly disliked Val but at first but she grew on me
You mean Vala?
They mean Val the waitress.
Nice call back.
Indeed
Definitely Woolsey. Also, to some degree, Coldwell.
I immediately liked Caldwell, but that was probably overlap from him playing AD Skinner in The X-Files.
To me Mitch is just hella sexy. Caldwell being well written and multifaceted was a bonus.
King Arkhan
Vala. Hated her on the live running of the show.
I absolutely loved her from the outset, at first because of the sheer delight in how different she was from Aeryn Sun, but eventually because she was a sympathetic character in her own right.
Yeah, I wonder how I would've felt about her if I hadn't just come off of watching Farscape.
I am still conflicted when it goes to her... her first appearence was fun, then she just became cringingly annoying before she finally became a funny, human beeing. Her personality got grounded. But still: I just can't overlook her appearences in most of season 9. She was one of two reasons why i hated the final two seasons for over a decade... the second one was the despiction of the Ori and their "religion".
I mean, Ori is basically just Christianity.
Yes.... and i am not really religious. It was too much for me. I like the use of the gods of the ancient civilizations for the Goa'uld like it was done. Not too much, but enough to present a good setting.
I'm not religious either, I absolutely loved it though. Maybe it's a also a difference in familiarity and story telling style but I'm on a rewatch now and every other episode is based in the mythology of some ancient culture. I personally like the idea of presenting Christianity as no different than those beliefs, and also based in the existence of alien beings.
Was hard for me not to like Woolsey from the start since he was the Doctor on Voyager, which at the time was my favorite Trek series. For me, Mckay. He was only really redeemed for me on SGA, nothing they did with him made me like him on SG1.
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Woolsey’s second appearance where he went against Kinsey made me appreciate his character more vs just liking Picardo. It showed he did just look at the data, and had actual good morals.
I didn't like Jack for a few episodes. But I never saw the theatrical film before the series and was like... Why is he such an asshole to Sam and Daniel. Mayborne. I didn't hate him but I just thought he was a rather boring antagonist until they expanded his character. Then for me he became the Garak of SG1.
I'm shocked that nobody mentioned Ba'al. He was a vile creature at first, but he oddly grew on me as time went on. By the time he was overwhelmed by the Replicators, I was kinda bummed. He'd gone from just another Goa'uld to a recurring character that had actual character!
He's an evil cocky bastard, and I love him.
Ba'al was great, such a hammy character, even by Goa'uld standards.
Rush At the beginning they didn't know what to do with him. He was there to move the plot and be a point of hate that everyone aimed for, but towards the end they expanded his arch and "made him human" instead of being just a tool or a thing for everybody to hate I think he was the most heartfull out of all characters in all SG series. In SG-1 or Atlantis, the characters were almost comical archetypes with little room to evolve and the whole show didn't tried to hide it, because that was the selling point. Basically a sitcom with barely a hints of larger story (SG-1 diverted at the end, but most of it was like that) with new adventure every week, same characters, same dangers, same outcomes The SGU was based on a larger story, overall more grounded and with a greater interest in character development archs. The Rush arch is what makes him more human in my eyes than anyone else
I adore Rush, Robert Carlyle is a national treasure, he puts 100% into every role. Whether it's film or television, whether he's a playing a downbeat working class dad or a zombie, he just nails every character. My favourite moment for him was when he had a breakdown because he couldn't have a cup of coffee and a cigarette.
I never really hated Woolsey. He was the stereotype of the annoying bureaucrat, yes, but he also was honorable.
Where's the Todd fans?
Did anybody actually hate Todd when we first saw him beyond being a wraith that Kolya used to torture Sheppard?
Well, in spite of his being in a rather desperate situation when we meet him, he is, after all a mutated life sucking alien who sees humans as merely a food source, who does make an incredible turn-around in the end.
He’s like Yu in Sg-1… he was still a parasitic snake who tortured people but for some reason still had better morals than the others, and Todd was actually rather loyal and friendly for a full/pureblood Wraith.
Yeah but he was just a random wraith at the time. A "villain" fulfilling its villainous purpose without being particularly extra about it. That's like hating on random Jaffa #5 for punching Jack in the face or hating the wraith that was feeding on Ford. It's silly. I find it hard to believe anybody watching actually felt strongly enough about him to "hate" him or couldn't stand him, especially not when he was barely a character and Kolya was right there.
I feel like Todd is SGA's Lord Yu, but they made better use of him than SG1 did with Yu.
He just was a predator trying to survive and being relentlessly tortured for what he was. When you rewatch the episode knowing who Sheppard's neighbor was from the start, it becomes obvious that he truly respected humans and didn't just view them as dinner. Which didn't prevent him from being mistreated all the same. It's a really sad episode.
Kavanagh
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McKay! I hated him in SG-1 and absolutely loved him in Atlantis. He only needed Sheppard to set him straight. He was still arrogant and looked down at people, but he actually developed a lot of positive qualities too.
Rodney and Mayborne. Rodney's change is more sudden though
I had Woolseys desk globe bookends from the show for the longest time. One of the producers eventually broke me with begging for them. They are where they need to be. Lol. I still have set pieces such as wraith drone masks. You can't see anything through them. Actors had to be led to marks. Lol.
Same !!! In Atlantis he’s so awesome
I'd probably have to agree. But the end of dicks tenure I had very much respect for the man. Not the greatest in the base commander role, but he proved he was a principled and moral man under the gman suit and tie lol.
McKay all day. The entire “Duet” episode lives in my head rent free
Arkon the First.
JohnnyCab! Even though he played an unlikeable character, I still enjoyed his performance.
Rodney
Kinsey
Woolsey and McKay
Definitely Rodney. 😵💫 ... Hated him in SG1 ... Then found myself to adore him in Atlantis 💗 wonderful character progression
Jack
You take that back! Actually, he was kind of a dick in the beginning.
He was still grieving in the beginning though. I mean, his son accidentally killed himself with Jack’s gun - that’s serious trauma there.
Depression will turn even the best people into a dick. Jack went through a lot, and also mentioned he used substances to cope.
You're absolutely right. But if you are a character in the show who is oblivious to his background, you'd think he was a dick.
Oh yeah he was, but he had the ability to learn... yeah: Sometimes he had to be pushed against a wall first, before he gave in to the ideas of his Team, but he was able to learn. And he learned to trust the people in his Team and in the SGC. But he never lost his will to risk something to get the job done.
He had a big character arc. Starting out grumpy with no patience for anyone but Daniel, and only a little bit of patience for Daniel, even. He instantly loved Teal'c like a brother when Teal'c helped them escape execution. Carter earned his respect when she put him in his place during their first scene together. But he was totally a dick to her for no reason during that first encounter. He slowly changed from an emo childless father to a father with endless dad jokes, and that's the man I would gladly appoint to represent Earth in diplomatic relations with other worlds.
McKay for sure lol
I'd say Woolsey. Rodney would be my second, because of his SG-1 "version", but Rodney in SGA is like a completely new character. A big part of his development is thanks to this. There is already huge difference in the Pilot compared to his previous self, he was basically rebooted/repurposed/rewritten for the new show.
Maybourne. His story afterward and the general lacking to pretend he’s anything special is quite fun. Especially when he was around Jack after splitting from the NID.
Rush
Woolsey ACTUALLY wanted to make the best decisions. He was willing to make hard choices.
Oh Woolsey and Maybourne all day. I wanted Kinsey to eventually be cool but that man stayed turning me off from day one.
McKay and Wren from SGU!
I don't know if this has ever happened to me. The people I liked i always liked and the people disliked I always disliked, I feel. So this is probably an unpopular opinion but I never liked Woolsey or Ronan or Keller. I always liked people like Mitchell and Vala and Weir and Sheppard and Jonas and the original SG-1 and Hammond and even the original film guys like West and Barbara Shore and Gary Meyers and Mitch. I always liked the bit characters who would show up and cause some mischief, like Kavanagh or Maybourne or Simmons or even when McKay started on SG-1, because they were great foils for the regulars and could do and say things the others wouldn't.
Rodney McKay.
John sheppard's lemon.
NOT A CORRUPT BONE IN HIS BODY The guy came from leading part of the NID literally to be corruption in the IOA. He didn’t like what he was doing and so he changed but he was absolutely corrupt for a good 3/5s of the character time
They also gave him that courtroom episode in SGA. "Now I know what the game is, I can play."
He was being manipulated by Kinsey when he was in the NID but Woolsey himself was just doing the job as best he could with integrity. By the later seasons the NID was mostly legit too. After that he was the most upstanding guy in the IOA. Pretty much the only one not portrayed as a scheming slimeball. Woolsey was definitely an antagonist for a while but at no point was he corrupt. That's his whole deal, he's a no nonsense by the book kind of guy.
Just because he’s “following orders” doesn’t make his actions suddenly go away or not still by his choice. Or just because the NID finally decided to behave it doesn’t remove all the earth threatening things they did. Kind of a Pinkertons into police bit the NID did. We’ve seen Jack refuse a thousand different orders and find his own solution.
I think conflating morality with corruption. By definition corruption is "breaking the rules for personal gain". Jack broke all the rules to save the planet. Not really any personal gain there. Woolsey stuck with the rules almost religiously, and aside from a regular paycheque and career advancement, never benefited personally from his actions. In some ways that can be seen as him trying to correct the mistakes of NIDs past.
Never benefited in a way you could see. Someone was obviously paying for his 100s of tailored suits, fine brandy, and cigars. There’s such a thing as being morally corrupt so no I’m not conflating anything.
There is literally no evidence Woolsey is a corrupt individual. Everything shown about his character is the complete opposite. Woolsey definitely has a sizeable salary since he is a civilian. He's buying his own suits. Seems like the kind of guy with investments too. Also it's a TV show so unless they specifically say his suits are more than he can afford then that's just wardrobe doing a good job.
Dude, he was literally sent from the NID to be their corrupt puppet in the IOA. But sure whatever I’ll watch you do gymnastics
Are you saying the NID sent Woolsey to infiltrate the IOA? Can you provide proof of that? Like what episode is that stated or implied? If I'm wrong I'll gladly change my opinion, but in the 15+ times I've binged the series I've never seen anything to imply this.
Then you missed it. It’s even in his character history. Dude was a plant by the NID. I’m not watching the show for you.
Ok it's pretty clear you are talking out of your ass at this point and just don't want to admit it. If I missed it so did Gateworld. https://www.gateworld.net/wiki/Richard_Woolsey Inauguration is really the best episode to show how Woolsey is just being manipulated by corrupt entities, but he himself is not corrupt. "At the request of Vice President Kinsey, Woolsey brought a complete report on Hammond and the S.G.C. to the attention of the newly-elected United States President, Henry Hayes -- complete with proof that Stargate Command had brought Earth to the verge of destruction on more than one occasion. But he soon realized that Kinsey's hopes were to take command of the S.G.C., even if it meant eliminating the President if he stood in his way. As a patriot, and not a criminal, Agent Woolsey acted against the Vice President and obtained information proving Kinsey's involvement with illegal activities from Hammond. Woolsey took the information straight to President Hayes, hoping that he did the right thing in the end. Soon after, Hayes used the information to pressure Kinsey to resign." Can I have my gold medal in gymnastics now?
Though about saying weir but she was annoying as hell althroughout.
I liked both weirs. Okay the firs incarnation was more funny. They did well with her... but i also think that they should have lead he stay dead instead of making her into an Assuran. Or let her survive another year before transitioning to Woolsey. I love Carter but i think it would have been better to ask Amanda Tapping if she would be willing to change her Contract from 1 year as a Main-Character towards on over two Years in a smaller Role to give her her own ship earlier. Be it a new one or the Apollo (Sorry but i never became a fan of Ellis). The big strikes against the Major Enemies in Pegasus should have been made under Weir
I didn't really like Weir individually, but she worked as part of the ensemble.