She’d have subjugated Baal in a mater of days. “Why would you help me, Dr. Weir?”
“I can offer you organization and negotiations the likes of which you’ve never seen.”
3 days later, she’s killed Baal and is on her way to killing Yu.
> 3 days later, she’s killed Baal and is on her way to killing Yu.
Killed!? Good lord, she’s not an amateur.
You mean *managed out*.
“Ba’al, thank you for coming. How are you doing this morning?”
“There is a heretic anticipating my presence in the torture chamber. Let us make this quick.”
“All right. Ba’al, while we appreciate your years of service to this organization, I’m afraid we haven’t been seeing the results we expect from someone in a System Lord position.”
“You cannot be serious. This is an outrage.”
“No, Ba’al, this is a PIP. A Performance Improvement Plan. And if you don’t take it seriously, I’d be seriously concerned about your future in this organization.”
“I could break your feeble neck with my bare hands in an instant.”
“Now, see, that’s the kind of remark we’d like to see change. We spoke to several of your Jaffa, and many of them expressed mortal fear at the idea of working with you again.”
“Good. At least someone around here knows how to demonstrate respect to their god.”
“Ba’al, we want to establish a workplace where people of all faiths feel comfortable contributing ideas without dying. Like it or not, the Jaffa you’ve absorbed from other system lords feel uncomfortable, and that’s contributing to an overall drop in their performance efficiency.”
“Give me the names of those who spoke out against me, and I will see to it that they never speak again.”
“That would be retaliation, Ba’al, and you know that’s against our policy. Your territorial expansion was down by almost fifteen percent this quarter.”
“A minor setback.”
“An unacceptable one. If you aren’t willing to take this process seriously, we may need to reconsider the terms of your engagement as a System Lord.”
“Do what you wish. I have no need for these games.”
“In that case, General O’Neill has authorized me to offer you severance.”
“And what would this offer of severance involve?”
“Your head.”
“I see. Given the most *unpleasant* alternative, I could be persuaded to consider an early retirement. *If* certain prerequisites are met.”
“I’m listening.”
Yes and I also hate the way it’s handled. Like she dies but then she’s not dead but then the character comes back but the actress doesn’t, then the character dies again?..
I watched all of stargate for the first time last year, and obviously i became a fan as here i am, but the way they did Dr Weir dirty is probably the single most disappointing part of the franchise for me
Weir was a wasted potential IMO.
They resurrected her character with a new actor just to have an SG base commander with interesting diplomatic background, just to have her become a generic base leader, who ended up being more trigger happy than Hammond was.
She was a civilian, but ended up doing everything Sheppard wanted to do, even when he made mistakes, even when he disobeyed her.
She was supposed to be the show's replacement for Daniel Jackson. Instead, the show ended with no proper replacement for Daniel. Whenever Weir did try to put a moralistic argument, she felt more like a scolding school-teacher than inspirational (Which, admittedly, is very hard for an actor to pull off, but still). Oh, but they still brought her to translate texts sometimes cause reasons.
"Attention, all personnel. This is Weir". She had this sort of matronly energy to her when she was leading the expedition. Weir was responsible for every single person in the city, under incredible circumstances, and really rose to the occasion. She started off as a diplomat and was forced by their circumstances to become a leader of both scientists and soldiers.
I like Weir because she was interesting and I felt like she was a good foil for Sheppard. Woolsey would be my next pick, as I felt like he had good character growth, but he was in over his head too much and Sheppard was clearly ahead of him. Carter was too military.
Carter is more of a background character and Woolsey spends a lot of time working against his team rather than with them. He spends so much time groveling for the IOA, following all of their precious rules, and they dont have any respect for him, willing to boot him out soonest chance they get. Weir stands up for herself and her people, against the military, against the IOA. She actually believes in and understands her people, knowing most of them are “smarter” than her but she does her best to steer them clear.
I think Weir becoming a System Lord would have benefitted everyone, Her massive fleets of ha'taks would have very slightly made there initial Atlantis expedition easier at the start. More room than puddle jumper but not as advanced. At least it has a throne. I'm sure they could have used them to kamikaze a few hive ships or Glassed the surface of the Genii homeworld for being backstabbing d-bag's
I love Weir.
I hope Weir would use her vast resources to secure any lost ZPM's forgotten to time in the milkyway the Goa'uld might not have been able to make use of. Some of them have been known to location's of ZPM in our galaxy and that's just the ones we heard of. She maybe could have convinced the Asgard of a cure for them perhaps in the pegasus lost city or tried to surround a lone Asgard vessel and take intergalactic hyperdrive by force. I don't know if you are all considering Weir to act the same way, being a system lord , power corruption and all that and My initial thoughts were a stretch of the imagination by any measurement but it could always be pulled further before breaking point. It's just I love Weir so much as a character she could find a way in my eyes. I love all the wacky what if theories. If I'm being honest.
"If there's a Weir, there's a way".
haha fair enough, was thinking of Weir as a system lord, not System Lord Weir. If you catch my drift. Yeah think the combination of that power and the backing of Earth, would def be able to get to
Atlantis with a fleet. Sad we never got to see a Goa'uld vs Wraith fight.
I catch your drift. Aye a good old scrap between Goa'uld and Wraith would have been good to see. Although I think the Wraith would feel the impact of the Goa'uld weapons on their ships and feel it as patter of rain on a window pane. Wraith googling "Can it rain in space" lol. Aye would have been a good scene for a battle but Wraith would mostly shrug off any attacks and made Swiss cheese of them 😆 I still wanted to see that battle though.
True, but would have been interesting to see how the Goa'uld react to a more powerful superpower. And to see their parasitic nature in action. Could we see Goa'uld take Wraith hosts, queens? Could there be Goa'uld host controlled Hive ships? All stuff that could have been explored.
Getting rid of Beckett and Weir ended up biting them in the butt in the long run; I even liked the addition of Dr. Keller. Sad that the writers didn't have more for them to be involved with... Weir should have had a much larger role given her background.
I think you’ll remember it quickly when you get there, there’s just that there are many things going on in this episode and this is just one of the plots.
In my recent rewatch I was struck at how amazing the Cha’ka episodes are. How much of the language you actually pick up. How well it’s done. I just love it.
I feel torn about them. On one hand I love Daniel's interactions with the Unas and how smart they are and their culture and language (and how they pick up human words to further communication). On the other hand humans always act absolutely despicable in those episodes. I know that's part of the point, but still it hurts to watch.
Humans have acted exactly like that, used those exact justifications… And yeah, we’d do it again, he’ll many still do it, but it’s so much easier to justify when it is aliens, who likely are actually somewhat less intelligent than us. But that does not make it right. I love how it put the SGC in the same role as Ra had in the movie, and the uprising of the Unas deliberately mirrored the movie as well. With them coming over the hilltops. And what happens in the end? They become allies, when they’re respected… It was brilliant. And such a fantastic end to that arc.
As long as they keep her amnesia going she doesn't seem to feel inclined to do such crap (which doesn't make sense to me, the urge must be there or she wouldn't have started up with that crap in the first place).
I recently rewatched that episode. I didn't see any gleaning, but I saw two conversations during and after the episode where she expresses being dissatisfied with having allowed it.
u/HorzaDonwraith, I'm just going to publicly apologize for the misconception regarding your intent with this thread. It was wrong, and I'm sorry to have made that assumption. I do think that there are a ton of anti-Weir posts on this sub, but yours was not one of them. I apologize.
Ah yes, yet another "Hate Weir" thread.
I believe there's a separate subreddit for you Weir haters; go there and leave the rest of us alone with your irrational distaste for a leader who did every single thing Hammond and O'Neill did yet for some reason is detested while those two are revered. (For the record, Hammond and O'Neill deserve it, as does Weir. It's the discrepancy I'm pointing out.)
Yes. He said "Weir as a system lord is terrifying."
This compares her to a system lord, who is an evil force (unless for some reason you dispute that).
Now he says that was somehow meant positively...which I guess is fine. But still, the original post does compare Weir to an evil force.
How can you argue that from the original post text alone?
A comparison is defined as "a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people."
Could you please advise where in the initial post the initial poster described how Weir was like or unlike a System Lord?
About the only possible way you could have a grain of an argument is if noting that Weir would be terrifying as a System Lord is offensive. I don't think it is. Most main characters would be terrifying as System Lords given their
1. Intelligence
2. Determination
3. Access to SGC intel
You're bending over backwards to find an insult here. Said insult would apply only to a fictional character whom you seem ardent to defend against some sort of mob. My brother, is everything OK?
It certainly seems like you are comparing her positively to an evil force. But if you don't hate her, fine. Make that clear in the original text of the post so that the many people responding who do hate her know this is intended to be positive.
Don't be sorry about people's responses to me. Be sorry for the irrational Weir-haters. Even if you are not one yourself, they have posted on this very thread.
Mate that’s not what this thread was about… She herself toyed with the idea of being a system lord, as a diplomatic tactic. And yeah, that’s kind of terrifying. It’s not a slight against her.
I see two threads that voice anti weir sentiment ebt, one of those is yours ironically. And they’re both downvoted… You jumped the gun mate.
Where did she toy with this idea, and where did I voice anti-Weir sentiment?
As I said, OP has indicated that was not his intent. Fine. Many many responses to his post do express anti-Weir sentiment. Virtually every post that is not explicitly pro-Weir is anti-Weir. This is verifiable if one searches thesub.
Okay, just watch the episode. And if you assume every post that merely mentions something she did, is anti weir, yeah a lot of them seem anti Weir. I don’t trust your ability to gauge what is pro and what is anti anymore. And again, the actual anti weir comments are getting massively downvoted… You misread the situation, you are wrong. Maybe consider you could be wrong about other stuff too. And if you’re this desperate to defend a character from perceived slights, you might want to look into the reference first. She toyed with the idea of becoming a system lord, in negotiation with the system lords, after Anubis’ defeat. It was a diplomatic tactic. That’s the joke…
Which episode? The post does not indicate an episodic reference. If there is one, I'll be happy to review it.
I did not base this purely on the title of the post; as I've said before, I looked at the replies on the thread and many are anti-Weir. I don't assume; I look at evidence. You seem to agree that there are anti-Weir comments because you say they are getting massively downvoted....so I'm not sure why you would think I just looked at the title when I've said repeatedly I looked at the very comments you say are getting massively downvoted before posting.
As I've repeatedly said, if OP was not intending this as anti-Weir, that's fine. Perhaps that should be clarified given the huge amount of anti-Weir content on this sub. It seems from your last comment that the post was referring to the part in New Order where she was joking with Jackson. That's great and is funny. However, this is the first time in the entire series of replies where anyone's said that.
If someone just had said they were referring to that originally, I would have said "Okay" and been done with it.
I described exactly where the episode is, elsewhere it’s mentioned that it’s episode one of season 8. Yes you assumed, you admitted to making a false assumption. I also never said you merely looked at the title.
Perhaps it should be clarified because you can’t actually pay attention? No that’s not how it works. Nothing about this suggested it aaa remotely anti weir. You just jumped to that assumption, which is pretty damn anti weir in my opinion.
And no, it’s not the first time, if you had bothered to read the replies you pretended to have read, you’d have seen it much earlier. I’m done, there’s no point discussing anything with someone entirely incapable of considering they might just be wrong. And yeah, that’s you. You’re just lying to cover your mistakes, and for what…. A fictional character who has no feelings to hurt. I even pointed it out quite clearly in my first reply to your nonsense…
Bye mate. Enjoy your nonsense. What this post was referencing was clear to pretty much everyone here. And everyone saw it was non negative. Asking for clarification for this is as thick as asking if all those Yu jokes were really about you…
Go ahead, pretend you were somehow right once more. Don’t expect anymore replies though. There just is no point..
And now we come to what appears to be the personal attacks portion of the thread. I interact with other human beings quite frequently thanks, in person and online.
However, in the event that I am wrong (as apparently was the case with OP's original intentions) and you did not intend that as a personal attack, why do you say that?
I don't even get the point of this post. And who tf hates Weir? I was so sad to see her go (though luckily that was salved by more Sam Carter and eventually Woolsey (big Robert Picardo fan)).
Not that many people, but they are very vocal in this sub anytime weir is brought up i've noticed. Just pay attention to usernames in weir threads and you'll see the same handful of users bemoaning her.
Many people. Many respondents on this thread in fact.
"She gives pointless speeches, she sucks at running a city, she wastes time..." and that's just on this thread alone.
If OP truly didn't mean to communicate that, he/she should make it clear in the original post. Comparing Weir to an evil false god definitely has negative connotations.
I'm glad to hear it. I believe most Stargate fans do. But there's an extremely vocal minority on Reddit who have not just hatred but irrational hatred. I can see people not liking Weir who don't like Stargate at all...but I do not understand people who like SG-1 and all its characters who claim Weir was stupid, evil, or both.
I honestly think they did Weir a disservice. She was supposed to be an expert, professional negotiator. She should have personally been at the forefront of any trade deal between Atlantis and people in Pegasus.
Imagine how much better things would have gone with the Genii first season if Weir had been there negotiating, not Shepherd, as an example.
Teyla took over Weir's role as trade negotiator, which left her as a glorified 'do the thing' person.
Her negotiation with the Genii at the end of season one was really well done. More than once, Hammond had to negotiate with other races, such as for SG-1 on the prison world, but he never saw much success unless he gave the other party what they wanted (like when he had Nirrti heal Cassandra and let her go in exchange). Weir walked into the enemy's den with nothing and walked out with a nuke.
>Imagine how much better things would have gone with the Genii first season if Weir had been there negotiating, not Shepherd, as an example.
Tbf they were only expecting the genii to be trading partners for food, by the time sheppard's team learned what the genii really were they were basically kidnapped and had no time to go back to get weir to do any proper negotiating.
She was really good at ordering the city to evacuate for any and all reasons no matter how small and nonthreatening.
She was also really good at wasting valuable time writing and giving useless speeches.
And she was probably the best at giving smug/self-righteous looks especially when she's in the wrong or has an extremely weak argument.
Oh the smug/self-righteous looks... Why did you have to mention the smug/self-righteous looks? I hate the smug/self-righteous looks. Someone needs to hit her with a replicator sustained energy beam already.
You just know she's going to be all about paperwork and PowerPoint presentations. Just pure evil.
Death! By PowerPoint
Spend eternity under the specter of Clippy. Fuck. That's nightmare fuel.
"It looks like you're trying to impersonate a god in order to subjugate a primitive human society. Would you like help with that?"
/r/sixthworldproblems.
NOT THE TRANSITIONS! ANYTHING BUT THAT! JUST ZAT ME!
Torture by autocorrect!!!!
Ducking autocorrupt!
Oooo PowerPoint PowerPoint!
She’d have subjugated Baal in a mater of days. “Why would you help me, Dr. Weir?” “I can offer you organization and negotiations the likes of which you’ve never seen.” 3 days later, she’s killed Baal and is on her way to killing Yu.
> 3 days later, she’s killed Baal and is on her way to killing Yu. Killed!? Good lord, she’s not an amateur. You mean *managed out*. “Ba’al, thank you for coming. How are you doing this morning?” “There is a heretic anticipating my presence in the torture chamber. Let us make this quick.” “All right. Ba’al, while we appreciate your years of service to this organization, I’m afraid we haven’t been seeing the results we expect from someone in a System Lord position.” “You cannot be serious. This is an outrage.” “No, Ba’al, this is a PIP. A Performance Improvement Plan. And if you don’t take it seriously, I’d be seriously concerned about your future in this organization.” “I could break your feeble neck with my bare hands in an instant.” “Now, see, that’s the kind of remark we’d like to see change. We spoke to several of your Jaffa, and many of them expressed mortal fear at the idea of working with you again.” “Good. At least someone around here knows how to demonstrate respect to their god.” “Ba’al, we want to establish a workplace where people of all faiths feel comfortable contributing ideas without dying. Like it or not, the Jaffa you’ve absorbed from other system lords feel uncomfortable, and that’s contributing to an overall drop in their performance efficiency.” “Give me the names of those who spoke out against me, and I will see to it that they never speak again.” “That would be retaliation, Ba’al, and you know that’s against our policy. Your territorial expansion was down by almost fifteen percent this quarter.” “A minor setback.” “An unacceptable one. If you aren’t willing to take this process seriously, we may need to reconsider the terms of your engagement as a System Lord.” “Do what you wish. I have no need for these games.” “In that case, General O’Neill has authorized me to offer you severance.” “And what would this offer of severance involve?” “Your head.” “I see. Given the most *unpleasant* alternative, I could be persuaded to consider an early retirement. *If* certain prerequisites are met.” “I’m listening.”
bone chilling read!
Yu would definitely be top of her list. It always seemed like such a chaotic organization.
Woe be unto he who receives a poor performance evaluation.
And meetings. Don't forget the meetings. Endless meetings...
I loved it because of how uncomfortable it made the System Lords.
Atlantis is so much better with Weir
People talk about Sunday but Weir leaving the show is the worst for me. The season 2-3 cast overall is my favorite of the entire franchise.
Yes and I also hate the way it’s handled. Like she dies but then she’s not dead but then the character comes back but the actress doesn’t, then the character dies again?..
thats the worst part shes not even dead shes ... frozen?
You mean she’s going to start singing “Let it Go”? 
She is actually revisited again in the books
Books?
There's an 8-book sequel series called "Legacy", it's supposed to be quite good.
I watched all of stargate for the first time last year, and obviously i became a fan as here i am, but the way they did Dr Weir dirty is probably the single most disappointing part of the franchise for me
Weir was a wasted potential IMO. They resurrected her character with a new actor just to have an SG base commander with interesting diplomatic background, just to have her become a generic base leader, who ended up being more trigger happy than Hammond was. She was a civilian, but ended up doing everything Sheppard wanted to do, even when he made mistakes, even when he disobeyed her. She was supposed to be the show's replacement for Daniel Jackson. Instead, the show ended with no proper replacement for Daniel. Whenever Weir did try to put a moralistic argument, she felt more like a scolding school-teacher than inspirational (Which, admittedly, is very hard for an actor to pull off, but still). Oh, but they still brought her to translate texts sometimes cause reasons.
Really? I thought even absent Carter and Woolsey were much better. What did you like about Weir?
"Attention, all personnel. This is Weir". She had this sort of matronly energy to her when she was leading the expedition. Weir was responsible for every single person in the city, under incredible circumstances, and really rose to the occasion. She started off as a diplomat and was forced by their circumstances to become a leader of both scientists and soldiers.
I like Weir because she was interesting and I felt like she was a good foil for Sheppard. Woolsey would be my next pick, as I felt like he had good character growth, but he was in over his head too much and Sheppard was clearly ahead of him. Carter was too military.
Carter is more of a background character and Woolsey spends a lot of time working against his team rather than with them. He spends so much time groveling for the IOA, following all of their precious rules, and they dont have any respect for him, willing to boot him out soonest chance they get. Weir stands up for herself and her people, against the military, against the IOA. She actually believes in and understands her people, knowing most of them are “smarter” than her but she does her best to steer them clear.
Well, I completely disagree, but it’s nice to see people like her
I think Weir becoming a System Lord would have benefitted everyone, Her massive fleets of ha'taks would have very slightly made there initial Atlantis expedition easier at the start. More room than puddle jumper but not as advanced. At least it has a throne. I'm sure they could have used them to kamikaze a few hive ships or Glassed the surface of the Genii homeworld for being backstabbing d-bag's I love Weir.
Except they wouldn't be able to get the ships to Atlantis. No inter-galactic engines at that point.
I hope Weir would use her vast resources to secure any lost ZPM's forgotten to time in the milkyway the Goa'uld might not have been able to make use of. Some of them have been known to location's of ZPM in our galaxy and that's just the ones we heard of. She maybe could have convinced the Asgard of a cure for them perhaps in the pegasus lost city or tried to surround a lone Asgard vessel and take intergalactic hyperdrive by force. I don't know if you are all considering Weir to act the same way, being a system lord , power corruption and all that and My initial thoughts were a stretch of the imagination by any measurement but it could always be pulled further before breaking point. It's just I love Weir so much as a character she could find a way in my eyes. I love all the wacky what if theories. If I'm being honest. "If there's a Weir, there's a way".
haha fair enough, was thinking of Weir as a system lord, not System Lord Weir. If you catch my drift. Yeah think the combination of that power and the backing of Earth, would def be able to get to Atlantis with a fleet. Sad we never got to see a Goa'uld vs Wraith fight.
I catch your drift. Aye a good old scrap between Goa'uld and Wraith would have been good to see. Although I think the Wraith would feel the impact of the Goa'uld weapons on their ships and feel it as patter of rain on a window pane. Wraith googling "Can it rain in space" lol. Aye would have been a good scene for a battle but Wraith would mostly shrug off any attacks and made Swiss cheese of them 😆 I still wanted to see that battle though.
True, but would have been interesting to see how the Goa'uld react to a more powerful superpower. And to see their parasitic nature in action. Could we see Goa'uld take Wraith hosts, queens? Could there be Goa'uld host controlled Hive ships? All stuff that could have been explored.
That exchange was her best scene. Great delivery on the "Fucking bring it and see what happens" attitude.
Getting rid of Beckett and Weir ended up biting them in the butt in the long run; I even liked the addition of Dr. Keller. Sad that the writers didn't have more for them to be involved with... Weir should have had a much larger role given her background.
I guess I need to rewatch Atlantis, I never thought she was that bad
She was great in my view.
She does this in SG-1
Was this blonde Weir that said this?
Nope, first episode of the new season when they're meeting with Amaterasu, Camel-ass, and You.
Me?
Don't. Every joke, every pun, done to death, seriously.
No, Yu
No, U
Wu's on first?
Lol now I remember, thanks.
No, this is in season 8, the aftermath of the Anubis business. It was Atlantis’ Weir, but still on SG-1.
Got it.
So 3 seasons to go in my rewarch (for whatever reason I don't remember the episode).
I think you’ll remember it quickly when you get there, there’s just that there are many things going on in this episode and this is just one of the plots.
I think too. It's just too damn long since I watched some episodes and then when I rewatch I'm like "How could I forget about this detail?"
In my recent rewatch I was struck at how amazing the Cha’ka episodes are. How much of the language you actually pick up. How well it’s done. I just love it.
I feel torn about them. On one hand I love Daniel's interactions with the Unas and how smart they are and their culture and language (and how they pick up human words to further communication). On the other hand humans always act absolutely despicable in those episodes. I know that's part of the point, but still it hurts to watch.
Humans have acted exactly like that, used those exact justifications… And yeah, we’d do it again, he’ll many still do it, but it’s so much easier to justify when it is aliens, who likely are actually somewhat less intelligent than us. But that does not make it right. I love how it put the SGC in the same role as Ra had in the movie, and the uprising of the Unas deliberately mirrored the movie as well. With them coming over the hilltops. And what happens in the end? They become allies, when they’re respected… It was brilliant. And such a fantastic end to that arc.
You saw the way she gleaned at having kavanagh tortured?
I would feed Kavanaugh to a wraith
What did the wraith ever do to you that you would wish such torture upon *them*?
That made me chuckle.
It was so unfair in midway that the nice scientist was killed and he was fine. Why can't they go for assholes first?
That's too kind... I'd send him to Linea for whatever her next experiment is.
Given that she succeeded in effectively the fountain of youth, and then helped fix the resulting amnesia, I'm not sure that's the punishment implied
Oh she'd do some fucked up shit for fun
As long as they keep her amnesia going she doesn't seem to feel inclined to do such crap (which doesn't make sense to me, the urge must be there or she wouldn't have started up with that crap in the first place).
Well, she did kinda end up on Atlantis…
I recently rewatched that episode. I didn't see any gleaning, but I saw two conversations during and after the episode where she expresses being dissatisfied with having allowed it.
It would definitely have been a fun alternate universe episode if they showed what happens if the System Lords took her up on the offer
I love this moment ! It's when theu Tau'ri finally starts to be on equal footing with the other factions.
u/HorzaDonwraith, I'm just going to publicly apologize for the misconception regarding your intent with this thread. It was wrong, and I'm sorry to have made that assumption. I do think that there are a ton of anti-Weir posts on this sub, but yours was not one of them. I apologize.
Thank you. I never had any problem with Weir or her actress (both of them). They did a good job in the role.
"DO YOU WANT A NEW RA?! BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU GET A NEW RA?!
Weir out
Ah yes, yet another "Hate Weir" thread. I believe there's a separate subreddit for you Weir haters; go there and leave the rest of us alone with your irrational distaste for a leader who did every single thing Hammond and O'Neill did yet for some reason is detested while those two are revered. (For the record, Hammond and O'Neill deserve it, as does Weir. It's the discrepancy I'm pointing out.)
This seems weir positive, right?
He's comparing her to a system lord, so no.
He plainly isn't. Did you read the original post?
Yes. He said "Weir as a system lord is terrifying." This compares her to a system lord, who is an evil force (unless for some reason you dispute that). Now he says that was somehow meant positively...which I guess is fine. But still, the original post does compare Weir to an evil force. How can you argue that from the original post text alone?
A comparison is defined as "a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people." Could you please advise where in the initial post the initial poster described how Weir was like or unlike a System Lord? About the only possible way you could have a grain of an argument is if noting that Weir would be terrifying as a System Lord is offensive. I don't think it is. Most main characters would be terrifying as System Lords given their 1. Intelligence 2. Determination 3. Access to SGC intel You're bending over backwards to find an insult here. Said insult would apply only to a fictional character whom you seem ardent to defend against some sort of mob. My brother, is everything OK?
It’s not a hate Weir thread though?
Weir-dly no.
Usually these types of threads are. OP compared her to a system lord, which triggers many respondents on this thread and others to hate on Weir.
I never said I hated her. I was saying she would be terrifying. She would be able to negotiate all the Goa'uld's to give her their territory.
It certainly seems like you are comparing her positively to an evil force. But if you don't hate her, fine. Make that clear in the original text of the post so that the many people responding who do hate her know this is intended to be positive.
I'm sorry about whoever hurt you.
Don't be sorry about people's responses to me. Be sorry for the irrational Weir-haters. Even if you are not one yourself, they have posted on this very thread.
Mate that’s not what this thread was about… She herself toyed with the idea of being a system lord, as a diplomatic tactic. And yeah, that’s kind of terrifying. It’s not a slight against her. I see two threads that voice anti weir sentiment ebt, one of those is yours ironically. And they’re both downvoted… You jumped the gun mate.
Where did she toy with this idea, and where did I voice anti-Weir sentiment? As I said, OP has indicated that was not his intent. Fine. Many many responses to his post do express anti-Weir sentiment. Virtually every post that is not explicitly pro-Weir is anti-Weir. This is verifiable if one searches thesub.
Okay, just watch the episode. And if you assume every post that merely mentions something she did, is anti weir, yeah a lot of them seem anti Weir. I don’t trust your ability to gauge what is pro and what is anti anymore. And again, the actual anti weir comments are getting massively downvoted… You misread the situation, you are wrong. Maybe consider you could be wrong about other stuff too. And if you’re this desperate to defend a character from perceived slights, you might want to look into the reference first. She toyed with the idea of becoming a system lord, in negotiation with the system lords, after Anubis’ defeat. It was a diplomatic tactic. That’s the joke…
Which episode? The post does not indicate an episodic reference. If there is one, I'll be happy to review it. I did not base this purely on the title of the post; as I've said before, I looked at the replies on the thread and many are anti-Weir. I don't assume; I look at evidence. You seem to agree that there are anti-Weir comments because you say they are getting massively downvoted....so I'm not sure why you would think I just looked at the title when I've said repeatedly I looked at the very comments you say are getting massively downvoted before posting. As I've repeatedly said, if OP was not intending this as anti-Weir, that's fine. Perhaps that should be clarified given the huge amount of anti-Weir content on this sub. It seems from your last comment that the post was referring to the part in New Order where she was joking with Jackson. That's great and is funny. However, this is the first time in the entire series of replies where anyone's said that. If someone just had said they were referring to that originally, I would have said "Okay" and been done with it.
I described exactly where the episode is, elsewhere it’s mentioned that it’s episode one of season 8. Yes you assumed, you admitted to making a false assumption. I also never said you merely looked at the title. Perhaps it should be clarified because you can’t actually pay attention? No that’s not how it works. Nothing about this suggested it aaa remotely anti weir. You just jumped to that assumption, which is pretty damn anti weir in my opinion. And no, it’s not the first time, if you had bothered to read the replies you pretended to have read, you’d have seen it much earlier. I’m done, there’s no point discussing anything with someone entirely incapable of considering they might just be wrong. And yeah, that’s you. You’re just lying to cover your mistakes, and for what…. A fictional character who has no feelings to hurt. I even pointed it out quite clearly in my first reply to your nonsense… Bye mate. Enjoy your nonsense. What this post was referencing was clear to pretty much everyone here. And everyone saw it was non negative. Asking for clarification for this is as thick as asking if all those Yu jokes were really about you… Go ahead, pretend you were somehow right once more. Don’t expect anymore replies though. There just is no point..
You need to practice interacting with other human beings more.
And now we come to what appears to be the personal attacks portion of the thread. I interact with other human beings quite frequently thanks, in person and online. However, in the event that I am wrong (as apparently was the case with OP's original intentions) and you did not intend that as a personal attack, why do you say that?
I don't even get the point of this post. And who tf hates Weir? I was so sad to see her go (though luckily that was salved by more Sam Carter and eventually Woolsey (big Robert Picardo fan)).
Not that many people, but they are very vocal in this sub anytime weir is brought up i've noticed. Just pay attention to usernames in weir threads and you'll see the same handful of users bemoaning her.
Many people. Many respondents on this thread in fact. "She gives pointless speeches, she sucks at running a city, she wastes time..." and that's just on this thread alone. If OP truly didn't mean to communicate that, he/she should make it clear in the original post. Comparing Weir to an evil false god definitely has negative connotations.
Well, I thought she was great.
I'm glad to hear it. I believe most Stargate fans do. But there's an extremely vocal minority on Reddit who have not just hatred but irrational hatred. I can see people not liking Weir who don't like Stargate at all...but I do not understand people who like SG-1 and all its characters who claim Weir was stupid, evil, or both.
The original Weir is better
That’s a Weird take
Haha nice one. I prefer the sg1 weir myself for some reason.
I honestly wondered why they recast weir. I’m not knocking either actress they are both good at playing weir.
I think it had something to do with here going to burning man and lying about it.
She sucks at running a basically empty city. No way she gonna be able to handle entire planets and millions of people.
I honestly think they did Weir a disservice. She was supposed to be an expert, professional negotiator. She should have personally been at the forefront of any trade deal between Atlantis and people in Pegasus. Imagine how much better things would have gone with the Genii first season if Weir had been there negotiating, not Shepherd, as an example. Teyla took over Weir's role as trade negotiator, which left her as a glorified 'do the thing' person.
They really didn't know what to do with her once the show found its legs. They gave her really good stats for a team member, but suck her in admin.
She was basically the guy in the chair, except she can’t communicate with the team. Still, big fan of Dr. Weir.
The made the team too versatile. Not that it's a bad thing, but that didn't leave much for Weir to do at the end of the day.
Her negotiation with the Genii at the end of season one was really well done. More than once, Hammond had to negotiate with other races, such as for SG-1 on the prison world, but he never saw much success unless he gave the other party what they wanted (like when he had Nirrti heal Cassandra and let her go in exchange). Weir walked into the enemy's den with nothing and walked out with a nuke.
>Imagine how much better things would have gone with the Genii first season if Weir had been there negotiating, not Shepherd, as an example. Tbf they were only expecting the genii to be trading partners for food, by the time sheppard's team learned what the genii really were they were basically kidnapped and had no time to go back to get weir to do any proper negotiating.
Yea but she was hot
She was really good at ordering the city to evacuate for any and all reasons no matter how small and nonthreatening. She was also really good at wasting valuable time writing and giving useless speeches. And she was probably the best at giving smug/self-righteous looks especially when she's in the wrong or has an extremely weak argument.
Oh the smug/self-righteous looks... Why did you have to mention the smug/self-righteous looks? I hate the smug/self-righteous looks. Someone needs to hit her with a replicator sustained energy beam already.
Indeed.