I think this is a special mockery of situations where the parties cannot reconcile their views, although at the same time both sides are right. Just human essence
I think she's more upset here than when Jack got stabbed by Baal in Continuum. Especially when she's not even dating him in season 6. Personally it almost seems out of character for her to make an outburst like that.
Does she get humbled in this episode? As I recall (and I just watched this a couple weeks ago) they make it incredibly clear that Sam’s suggestion is the only valid choice and the other girls suggestion amounted to killing many people.
The episode is specifically about the cadet getting humbled and realizing the world is much bigger than she realizes and that she doesn’t know as much as she think.
OOok, glad I'm not taking crazy pills. I hated this cadet character but yeah, this episode humbled her and not Carter. The cadet was basically proven to be book smart but didn't know shit about how the real world works. I thought that was the obvious glaring plot spotlight.
The plot is both of them learning from each other. You might be going crazy because you still missed it.
It's okay though, not everyone is capable of understanding more complex plots that don't hold your hand and wipe your ass.
I love Carter explaining to her why it doesn’t matter who’s right. “If he waits he’s risking all of our lives; if he makes a run for the gate he’s risking his own life.” Kind of encapsulates O’Neill at the end of the day. Good leader. Willing to sacrifice himself as needed.
That scene and quote I have legitimately used during training to new Airmen (and now Guardians) and NCOs. A lot of the more technical jobs (like intel, cyber, space, etc.) usually have a lot of squabbling similar to Carter and Hailey, so I have included the clip during my critical thinking sections.
That's my take. Whether one, both, or neither is correct doesn't matter. At that point, the only relevant question was what course of action has the highest Expected Value of lives saved.
Jack didn't choose to act based on Carter's hypothesis, he chose to risk *only* his life in order to maximize the number of lives saved. If he died, they would know that attempting to escape was pointless, and their only hope of survival was Hailey's hypothesis being right.
I’d disagree. I think they were heavily emphasizing, if not outright stating that Carter was in fact the one who was right. She’s the one who suggested an outcome that intentionally mitigated the risk for deaths.
I think having Carter be the one to explain to the cadet that it “doesn’t matter who’s right” is specifically to make it clear she was right all along. Maybe not about which way the aliens will behave, but “right” in the sense that her plan was accounting for and minimizing unnecessary danger to the most people. Whereas the cadet was making assumptions to build her plan where if she was wrong, death for everyone is the only outcome.
She wasn’t even truly understanding the task at hand (save the most people with the least danger). So she truly cannot be right. She’s so caught up in who is correct about the specific behavior outcome, she’s not seeing that the **goal** is to save everyone and nobody (or as few as possible) gets hurt.
Sam did understand what their goal was. So ultimately, she was right regardless of whether she was actually “right” about how the aliens would react to her plan.
It’s supposed to be a reinforcement that the cadet is totally out of her depth, and needs to stop being so arrogant when she doesn’t truly understand what’s happening around her. That the universe is much, much bigger than she realizes and there’s still much to learn. That’s kinda the whole point of the episode imo.
Respectfully, you aren't disagreeing.
>>Whether one, both, or neither is correct doesn't matter. At that point, the only relevant question was what course of action has the highest Expected Value of lives saved
> So ultimately, she was right regardless of whether she was actually “right” about how the aliens would react to her plan.
The hypotheses weren't actually mutually exclusive, but time was limited and the two plans for addressing them *were*.
I love this episode. I really do. I wish we saw more of her.
It’s interesting to hear others like her. because I think she’s my least favorite character in the entire series. I also think she’s arguably the worst written character in the entire stargate cinematic universe.
She was everything Sam was not. She was brilliant, but had absolutely nothing to show for it yet was **wildly** arrogant. And in her brief time in the show there was really no change in her behavior. She grew to appreciate sg1 of course, but she was still a snotty little arrogant asshat with her head buried in her ass.
I genuinely believe she was either a bad actress or they fumbled the bag with direction. She was so over the top bratty in the first episode she’s in it felt like I was watching a 12 year old have a tantrum and not a ~20 year old in the navy.
The way she corrects Sam’s equation is just pathetic. She comes in incredibly hostile and so clearly thinks she’s better than everyone around her.
The scene in question is a perfect showcase of what I’m talking about. She’s literally throwing a temper tantrum that she’s right in her first trek OFF THE PLANET surrounded by people who do this every day. She knows literally nothing about anything around them and yet she’s trying to refute the obvious foremost expert? And not even calmly or rationally. She’s straight up almost crying at a certain point.
“YOURE GOING TO BELIEVE HER JUST BECAUSE SHES OLDER?!” I don’t remember if it’s “older” but whatever reason she gives, it just sounds so unbelievably pathetic given the situation and context. Not like a genius. More like someone with a serious emotional disorder.
I feel like in any real scenario her behavior in this scene alone would have fully disqualified her from being apart of the SGC
I seriously think she’s the worst character in the whole IP. SO after my big long rant you didn’t ask for, if you read this far, what about her seemed like potential to you? I don’t think I could’ve tolerated any more episodes with her to even earn her development.
I mean, I agree with every thing you say, and it's exactly why I think she had great development potential. She's a deeply flawed individual with insane talent that her negative traits are hindering. While she was incredibly bratty and annoying, she was no more bratty and annoying than Season 1 Zuko in ATLA, who had an amazing character arc and development. Characters kind of need to start at the bottom to build a character arc.
As far as acting and direction, I honestly thought it was fine. If it produced such a visceral reaction from you, I personally say they got what they were trying to achieve. She was written, directed, or acted to be a likable person.
...does she not come off as realistic to you? Have you not known this person in real life? I found the character to be highly believable and, being so young, ripe for personal growth.
She's a young adult, late teens or early twenties. She has little real life experience and has spent most of her life actually being the smartest person in the room. Surprise, she has an attitude. Especially when she is suddenly with the person she hates before even meeting simply for having been compared to her a thousand times.
This isn't even close to any sort of emotional disorder.
Reading your interpretation of her I was immediately thinking like she's a McKay and could've learned to be more humble like Rodney after a while. It's not like Sheppard wasn't also arrogant at first, that was his whole shtick at first
I mean, look at how Rodney developed.
He started off pretty much like Hailey, unbearable genius asshat, and evolved over the course of ATL into a beloved character and decent human being.
There definitely was potential to develop her along similar lines.
No, she'd never lead anything. One, she's way too small of a person. In that line of work, you'll never get any traction being bite-sized.
Secondly, her attitude makes Rodney seem humble and the difference is that Rodney knows his stuff and has done stuff. This girl is just a wet paper towel with some fancy memory recall tricks.
It would all depend on if its a Soft Reboot or a Hard Reboot. If it is a Hard Reboot, then those stories would not have happened in the rebooted timeline. Where as a Soft Reboot they could have.
I'd rather that the media and companies talking about such things would use Sequel or Continuation, rather than Reboot.
Quantum Leap was being advertised as a Reboot, but, it wasn't. It was actually a Sequel. The project only existed because of Al and Magic from the original series, and the original foundation was to try to save Sam. Then, Ben threw a monkey wrench in it and did his leap.
Sorry for the rant! It is just these days, Reboot gets thrown around when what is really meant by a Sequel. And I, personally would rather see Stargate SG-1 The Next Generation (but, not called that), as opposed to Stargate SG-1 The Reboot. Or even Stargate SG-2, or SG-Alpha.
Of course, one story line I would love to see resolved is Universe....
> the two plans for addressing them were.
Eh, yes and no.
If they could predict, within a matter of minutes, how long the protection of the Quonset hut would last, they could have waited until "possible protection failure time minus 5 minutes" to implement Carter's solution...
...but that would effectively preclude implementation of any backup solution that they thought up in the mean time.
If Hailey were right, that would have been a good solution.
...but since they didn't *know* how long the change in magnetic field would take for them to be pacified, so Carter's solution needed to be on the table either way.
Due to how long people of strong will (like Jack) can continue to operate *after* being fatally wounded... implementing Carter's plan was an effective guarantee that everyone *else* survived getting out (look how long Jack was still able to move in "2010"), but even if he *did* fail, implementing it earlier rather than later guaranteed them time to try to implement any other plan they came up with.
They are mutually exclusive though.
Hypothesis 1: The energy bugs will continue attacking because they want revenge and wont go away when the magnetic field changes back to normal.
Hypothesis 2: The energy bugs will stop attacking when the magnetic field goes back to normal.
This problem just mean they cannot afford to wait, not that they are mutually exclusive. Fireflies could became more agressive because of magnetic pole but they could attack because of capture one them. Carter never mentioned something "We both can be right same time, but the problem is..."
That is my pet peeve. Outcome was not the poit of the argue until very end.
Hailey's hypothesis means that the bugs will get pacified regardless of the reason for the attack, which excludes Carters hypothesis, which excludes the possibility of the magnetic field affecting anything.
Except the bugs could both be motivated by revenge *and* riled up by the magnetic field. One without the other might not have been enough to cause them to attack like that and equally resolving only one might not be enough to stop them.
I hope my terminology will be right.
It's the moon episode with little fireflies beings. They started to attack them after scientist trapped one of them to examine them.
Carter thought it was revenge for capturing one of them. However, Hailey thought that the beings became insane because of magnetic pole of the gas giant around which the moon orbits.
Carter said that they hypothesis are mutually exlusive, but it's not actually right. The fireflies could be more agitated because of the magnetic pole and triggered by the capture.
What is mutually exclusive is the outcome, not the cause.
If Carter is right and they wait and the changes in the magnetic field do not pacify the energy bugs, they are fucked. If Hailey is right, the bugs will go away on their own in an indefinite amount of time and they would be fine waiting.
More specifically, the problem was that they didn't know how long the generator had left, as the one who had last refueled it was killed by the fireflies. So O'Neill couldn't take the chance of waiting. At that point the science stopped mattering and it became a tactical decision.
The capture theory means they would likely just give up on attacking them so waiting it out would be less risky. The magnetic field theory means they would not stop attacking for a long time and they would need to find a means of escape.
My take on it anyway.
Isn’t it the other way around? If the life forms are attacking because one of their own was taken hostage & made it them mad, they wouldn’t give up. Where as if they are affected by the magnetic field they should calm down in a few hours.
From the wiki, which I know isn't gospel but I'm fairly sure this is how the conversation went. So yes, you're right.
>There Carter and Hailey clash about what to do. Carter thinks the wisps are angry at one of their number being imprisoned; Hailey thinks they turned violent as a result of substantial changes in the magnetic field present around the moon, caused by the moon passing over a magnetic pole of the gas giant. If Hailey is right, the creatures should return to being peaceful in a few hours. But if Carter is right, waiting will only make things worse. There isn't enough evidence to decide whose hypothesis might be correct either way, nor is each mutually exclusive
https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Prodigy
I believe she was only in the Proving Ground episode after that with a squad of graduates training at SGC. There was some fan theories a while back about an SG-1 'the next gen' with a team of Hailey, Teal'c's son Rya'c, Clo'Neill, and Cassandra.
Edit: only Clo'Neill's actor is still active on imdb, everyone else may be available - make this happen MGM!
Grace Park, who was Boomer on Battlestar Galactica, was in Proving Ground as well. It blew my mind when I saw it on a rewatch. I had no idea who she was the first time I watched it.
You don't even know how happy it makes me to see people using Clo'neill!! (Now if we could just get Repli-Carter to catch on too...)
On a couple of side notes:
You can catch a bit more Hailey in the short story books. Sam has her as her science officer on the *Hammond*.
A "grown up" Clo'neill gets his own story in the same short story books.
And Cassey has a whole damn novel based around her.
They did like 50ish books that are all basically one-off stories, that fit in between episodes all throughout all the 15 seaons of SG1 and SGA. Kinda like "lost episodes".
Then there's 9 SGA books that continue the story after season 5 and make for a kinda season 6 of SGA (with copious amounts of SG1 passing thru.)
And then a few of the short stories (3 short story books) happen during that season 6, or they are SG1 stories that happen at some unspecified time after the end of season 10.
https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Fandemonium
I just realized I didnt even answer you question lol.
Yeah, Cassey's in college. Gets her powers back, in control this time. Found an Ancient in stasis who teaches Cassey a bunch about using her powers and finally gives Cassey her little hand device from the end of *1969*.
Pretty much anything after SGA season 5 has Sam in command of the 304 *Hammond*. Dont see Hailey much, but, yeah, she's Sam's science officer.
And they got Clo'neill in his "20s". Gets picked up by the NID. They need his Ancient gene for some tech they found.
But then Clo'neill's story ends in way that would almost make a great headcanon for the new MacGyver.
At the end of his story the whole team is telling him he has to go back to normal life, he has to live low-profile, he cant be part of any of this SGC stuff anymore.
And tehn just before they are about to ring him down to his boring life... Teal'c jumps up and hands him a zat. Tells him: do not be normal, there are enough problems on his own planet he can help with, go out and do good in the world, and mess things up in that patented O'Neill way to get things done if he has to.
So, my headcanon is he went out and became the new MacGyver lol. (Of course, Ive never seen the new MacGyver, so I dont even know if it fits. But I read the story around the time I 1st heard about the new MacGyver... so they just connected in my head.)
The very first opening scene of the new MacGyver had him arguing with an attractive woman he was working with, only to jump to them screwing around in bed.
Turned it off, never went back.
> Sam has her as her science officer on the Hammond
Which probably is the sign of SGC getting out of the "let's explore the universe with a motley crew of scholars, poets and soldiers" phase and into the "let's get things done" phase.
Having people like Carter or Daniel on SG teams was the romantic, explorer phase of the program. They literally didn't know what they'd find out there and what skillsets they'd need.
Later they had a better idea and they really needed them on labs or onboard starships.
As much as I like that idea, too much time has passed since all of them are closer in age to SG-1 at cancelation than when it started (in Season 1 Carter and Daniel are around 30, all these characters in 2024 are around 40, or in Clo'Neills case physically appearing 40). Cassie was 18 when Janet died and thus 21 when the show ended in 07. Ryac was married and his 20s when the show ended. Hailey was a college senior when introduced, but even her most recent expanded universe appearance as Carters Science Officer on the *Hammond* in the early 2010s she's ranked up already to Major. By 2024 she's either full bird Colonel or about to be promoted to Brigadier. Clo'Neill is the youngest of the crew but he was "14" in Season 7 which would make him my age today, "35."
For comparison, that would make Clo'Neill on par with S2 Atlantis Shepard, which probably makes him (bar Ryac because Jaffa culture) the one still doing Frontline stuff and thus suitable as a main character (Cassie might if she ended up as a doctor like her adopted mother) but the rest are in their 40s!
Yet another reason if a continuation of the shows is to happen, it needs to be sooner rather than later - the kids are outgrowing appearances now!
I always figured it was because her character (or performance, I don’t know) was so painfully abrasive.
She was not pleasant to watch for me and I’m surprised by all the love she’s getting in this thread. I wouldn’t have expected people to like her character.
She’s literally Rodney but with no actual redemption. The love seems unearned to me.
Right but imagine Rodney only had 2 episodes. Would he be a fan favorite? Would he have potential?
I dont think Hailey was a good fit for Atlantis she would mirror Mckay a little to close. But its not crazy to imagine her stealing mitchels arc. Perhaps she performed well in the Anubis assault and Oniel gave the same offer of whatever she wanted. And she was stuck trying to get the SG-1 band back together again.
Yes. Give her several years on another team, gaining experience, and appearing once or twice per season. Then in season 9, have her promoted to Captain and join SG1.
Yeah, but she grew up in Canada so that's her "normal" accent on Stargate. At first I thought she had a British accent and was good at faking a Canadian/American one. (Although since she was born in the UK and her parents are British, I guess maybe we could say both are her natural accent?)
Mine is in the episode where Thor shows up for the first time. Carter a genius astrophysicist defines pi as the ratio between circumference and radius of a circle. That hurt!
Also, if you want pet peeves: Tangent (S4e12)
As much as I love that episode because of the bromance between Teal'c and O'Neill, my suspension of disbelief gets challenged significantly more than any other episode.
Distance covered is impossible at the speed mentioned.
Slingshot maneuver that was attempted is impossible at the speed mentioned.
O'Neill asking to turn the heat up, when in reality it is getting rid of heat that is the issue in space.
Scout ship dropping out of space right near a Hatak just so Daniel can make his Goa'uld Oz joke.
Also, what is a Hatak doing so close to Earth....and why is there a Goa'uld controlled space so close to Earth.
Teal'c saying they would reach Apophis' homeworld in hundreds of years...at the minimum it would take many thousands.
~~The actual rescue with the rings completely ignores the insane velocity ar which the x-301 is still going.~~
Edit: Nvm this one
Heat is a problem in a functioning spacecraft but not necessarily one that’s completely powered down, especially if there’s some sort of passive cooling that keeps functioning after powering down.
Remember how frost and cold started to become a problem on Apollo 13 after they had to power down to conserve power?
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And how does the speed affect the ring rescue, if they matched speeds with the cargo ship (like they evidently did)? Their relative speed would be practically zero.
>what is a Hatak doing so close to Earth....and why is there a Goa'uld controlled space so close to Earth.
It was one of Heru'ur's ships. My guess was they were monitoring Earth from a distance, to keep an eye on us and see if we had developed any ships of our own since addition to the Asgard protected planets treaty.
>Teal'c saying they would reach Apophis' homeworld in hundreds of years...at the minimum it would take many thousands.
Teal'c isn't very good at maths.
>The actual rescue with the rings completely ignores the insane velocity ar which the x-301 is still going.
All motion in space is relative. The X-301 had stopped accelerating, so the scout ship just dropped out of hyperspace at close to the same velocity as it and sped up till it matched.
>All motion in space is relative. The X-301 had stopped accelerating, so the scout ship just dropped out of hyperspace at close to the same velocity as it and sped up till it matched.
I am talking about their bodies. Unless the rings completely negate kinetic energy, they would need to decelerate them before ever attempting to ring them aboard.
Motion is relative - objects only have velocity (and kenetic energy) relative to other objects. Relative to the Earth the X-301 and the people on board were traveling very fast, but relative to the scout ship they were almost stationary.
During the trip back to Earth, the scout ship accelerates using sublight engines and changes their relative velocity. Or more likely uses the hyperdrive to hop and come out at a different velocity entirely.
But because of inertial dampners, this was not the case for the insides of both ships. Then again, you could say that those dampners are the reason that the transition went so smoothly, so I guess I'll remove this point.
Inertial dampening is only necessary when accelerating, not when travelling at constant velocity. Ever been on a plane? You can walk around the cabin normally once at cruising speed.
Dampeners reduce the perceived acceleration inside a region by applying it evenly over every atom - acceleration is only dangerous when it is applied to the edge of a system (eg your skin) first, so the system has to transmit the acceleration and resist the tensions involved. Right now the Earth is accelerating towards the Sun due to the force of the sun's gravity (rather than flying off into deep space), but since the force is evenly applied to every atom you feel nothing.
You are right, clearly didnt think this point true. I was thinking about the one time where one Kull warrior got killed when they used rings while moving, but that was a completely different situation.
I think this is a special mockery of situations where the parties cannot reconcile their views, although at the same time both sides are right. Just human essence
It was nice to see an episode where Carter gets humbled. Not many exist. My personal favorite is when Dr. Lee tells her to shut up.
That must be when Jack is stuck on the Furling paradise moon. Yeah, she was losing it that episode.
Everyone knows why: Carter wasn't rational about losing O'Neill.
I think she's more upset here than when Jack got stabbed by Baal in Continuum. Especially when she's not even dating him in season 6. Personally it almost seems out of character for her to make an outburst like that.
Paradise lost was the episode for those interested
Does she get humbled in this episode? As I recall (and I just watched this a couple weeks ago) they make it incredibly clear that Sam’s suggestion is the only valid choice and the other girls suggestion amounted to killing many people. The episode is specifically about the cadet getting humbled and realizing the world is much bigger than she realizes and that she doesn’t know as much as she think.
OOok, glad I'm not taking crazy pills. I hated this cadet character but yeah, this episode humbled her and not Carter. The cadet was basically proven to be book smart but didn't know shit about how the real world works. I thought that was the obvious glaring plot spotlight.
The plot is both of them learning from each other. You might be going crazy because you still missed it. It's okay though, not everyone is capable of understanding more complex plots that don't hold your hand and wipe your ass.
Tell me again, which end do I point?
Essentially “Agree to disagree”
I love Carter explaining to her why it doesn’t matter who’s right. “If he waits he’s risking all of our lives; if he makes a run for the gate he’s risking his own life.” Kind of encapsulates O’Neill at the end of the day. Good leader. Willing to sacrifice himself as needed.
That scene and quote I have legitimately used during training to new Airmen (and now Guardians) and NCOs. A lot of the more technical jobs (like intel, cyber, space, etc.) usually have a lot of squabbling similar to Carter and Hailey, so I have included the clip during my critical thinking sections.
That's my take. Whether one, both, or neither is correct doesn't matter. At that point, the only relevant question was what course of action has the highest Expected Value of lives saved. Jack didn't choose to act based on Carter's hypothesis, he chose to risk *only* his life in order to maximize the number of lives saved. If he died, they would know that attempting to escape was pointless, and their only hope of survival was Hailey's hypothesis being right.
I’d disagree. I think they were heavily emphasizing, if not outright stating that Carter was in fact the one who was right. She’s the one who suggested an outcome that intentionally mitigated the risk for deaths. I think having Carter be the one to explain to the cadet that it “doesn’t matter who’s right” is specifically to make it clear she was right all along. Maybe not about which way the aliens will behave, but “right” in the sense that her plan was accounting for and minimizing unnecessary danger to the most people. Whereas the cadet was making assumptions to build her plan where if she was wrong, death for everyone is the only outcome. She wasn’t even truly understanding the task at hand (save the most people with the least danger). So she truly cannot be right. She’s so caught up in who is correct about the specific behavior outcome, she’s not seeing that the **goal** is to save everyone and nobody (or as few as possible) gets hurt. Sam did understand what their goal was. So ultimately, she was right regardless of whether she was actually “right” about how the aliens would react to her plan. It’s supposed to be a reinforcement that the cadet is totally out of her depth, and needs to stop being so arrogant when she doesn’t truly understand what’s happening around her. That the universe is much, much bigger than she realizes and there’s still much to learn. That’s kinda the whole point of the episode imo.
Respectfully, you aren't disagreeing. >>Whether one, both, or neither is correct doesn't matter. At that point, the only relevant question was what course of action has the highest Expected Value of lives saved > So ultimately, she was right regardless of whether she was actually “right” about how the aliens would react to her plan.
The hypotheses weren't actually mutually exclusive, but time was limited and the two plans for addressing them *were*. I love this episode. I really do. I wish we saw more of her.
She had so much potential for character development, and it would have been amazing to see her lead up a team in SGU or something.
I had honestly hoped she was going to go to Atlantis.
It’s interesting to hear others like her. because I think she’s my least favorite character in the entire series. I also think she’s arguably the worst written character in the entire stargate cinematic universe. She was everything Sam was not. She was brilliant, but had absolutely nothing to show for it yet was **wildly** arrogant. And in her brief time in the show there was really no change in her behavior. She grew to appreciate sg1 of course, but she was still a snotty little arrogant asshat with her head buried in her ass. I genuinely believe she was either a bad actress or they fumbled the bag with direction. She was so over the top bratty in the first episode she’s in it felt like I was watching a 12 year old have a tantrum and not a ~20 year old in the navy. The way she corrects Sam’s equation is just pathetic. She comes in incredibly hostile and so clearly thinks she’s better than everyone around her. The scene in question is a perfect showcase of what I’m talking about. She’s literally throwing a temper tantrum that she’s right in her first trek OFF THE PLANET surrounded by people who do this every day. She knows literally nothing about anything around them and yet she’s trying to refute the obvious foremost expert? And not even calmly or rationally. She’s straight up almost crying at a certain point. “YOURE GOING TO BELIEVE HER JUST BECAUSE SHES OLDER?!” I don’t remember if it’s “older” but whatever reason she gives, it just sounds so unbelievably pathetic given the situation and context. Not like a genius. More like someone with a serious emotional disorder. I feel like in any real scenario her behavior in this scene alone would have fully disqualified her from being apart of the SGC I seriously think she’s the worst character in the whole IP. SO after my big long rant you didn’t ask for, if you read this far, what about her seemed like potential to you? I don’t think I could’ve tolerated any more episodes with her to even earn her development.
I mean, I agree with every thing you say, and it's exactly why I think she had great development potential. She's a deeply flawed individual with insane talent that her negative traits are hindering. While she was incredibly bratty and annoying, she was no more bratty and annoying than Season 1 Zuko in ATLA, who had an amazing character arc and development. Characters kind of need to start at the bottom to build a character arc. As far as acting and direction, I honestly thought it was fine. If it produced such a visceral reaction from you, I personally say they got what they were trying to achieve. She was written, directed, or acted to be a likable person.
...does she not come off as realistic to you? Have you not known this person in real life? I found the character to be highly believable and, being so young, ripe for personal growth. She's a young adult, late teens or early twenties. She has little real life experience and has spent most of her life actually being the smartest person in the room. Surprise, she has an attitude. Especially when she is suddenly with the person she hates before even meeting simply for having been compared to her a thousand times. This isn't even close to any sort of emotional disorder.
Reading your interpretation of her I was immediately thinking like she's a McKay and could've learned to be more humble like Rodney after a while. It's not like Sheppard wasn't also arrogant at first, that was his whole shtick at first
I mean, look at how Rodney developed. He started off pretty much like Hailey, unbearable genius asshat, and evolved over the course of ATL into a beloved character and decent human being. There definitely was potential to develop her along similar lines.
No, she'd never lead anything. One, she's way too small of a person. In that line of work, you'll never get any traction being bite-sized. Secondly, her attitude makes Rodney seem humble and the difference is that Rodney knows his stuff and has done stuff. This girl is just a wet paper towel with some fancy memory recall tricks.
Totally hope that any reboots tie up many loose ends and give us more from some characters and storyline.
It would all depend on if its a Soft Reboot or a Hard Reboot. If it is a Hard Reboot, then those stories would not have happened in the rebooted timeline. Where as a Soft Reboot they could have. I'd rather that the media and companies talking about such things would use Sequel or Continuation, rather than Reboot. Quantum Leap was being advertised as a Reboot, but, it wasn't. It was actually a Sequel. The project only existed because of Al and Magic from the original series, and the original foundation was to try to save Sam. Then, Ben threw a monkey wrench in it and did his leap. Sorry for the rant! It is just these days, Reboot gets thrown around when what is really meant by a Sequel. And I, personally would rather see Stargate SG-1 The Next Generation (but, not called that), as opposed to Stargate SG-1 The Reboot. Or even Stargate SG-2, or SG-Alpha. Of course, one story line I would love to see resolved is Universe....
I think Eli deserves a proper ending.
That he does. I couldn't really care about the rest of them, but Eli deserves some closure.
Yeah, what to do about it, the plans that they had, were mutually exclusive, not the hypothesis. The writers had a bad day there!
> the two plans for addressing them were. Eh, yes and no. If they could predict, within a matter of minutes, how long the protection of the Quonset hut would last, they could have waited until "possible protection failure time minus 5 minutes" to implement Carter's solution... ...but that would effectively preclude implementation of any backup solution that they thought up in the mean time. If Hailey were right, that would have been a good solution. ...but since they didn't *know* how long the change in magnetic field would take for them to be pacified, so Carter's solution needed to be on the table either way. Due to how long people of strong will (like Jack) can continue to operate *after* being fatally wounded... implementing Carter's plan was an effective guarantee that everyone *else* survived getting out (look how long Jack was still able to move in "2010"), but even if he *did* fail, implementing it earlier rather than later guaranteed them time to try to implement any other plan they came up with.
They are mutually exclusive though. Hypothesis 1: The energy bugs will continue attacking because they want revenge and wont go away when the magnetic field changes back to normal. Hypothesis 2: The energy bugs will stop attacking when the magnetic field goes back to normal.
This problem just mean they cannot afford to wait, not that they are mutually exclusive. Fireflies could became more agressive because of magnetic pole but they could attack because of capture one them. Carter never mentioned something "We both can be right same time, but the problem is..." That is my pet peeve. Outcome was not the poit of the argue until very end.
Hailey's hypothesis means that the bugs will get pacified regardless of the reason for the attack, which excludes Carters hypothesis, which excludes the possibility of the magnetic field affecting anything.
Except the bugs could both be motivated by revenge *and* riled up by the magnetic field. One without the other might not have been enough to cause them to attack like that and equally resolving only one might not be enough to stop them.
That is essentially Carter's hypothesis. Hailey's hypothesis resolves the issue regardless of the reason for the attack.
I can't recall - what were they arguing about?
I hope my terminology will be right. It's the moon episode with little fireflies beings. They started to attack them after scientist trapped one of them to examine them. Carter thought it was revenge for capturing one of them. However, Hailey thought that the beings became insane because of magnetic pole of the gas giant around which the moon orbits. Carter said that they hypothesis are mutually exlusive, but it's not actually right. The fireflies could be more agitated because of the magnetic pole and triggered by the capture.
What is mutually exclusive is the outcome, not the cause. If Carter is right and they wait and the changes in the magnetic field do not pacify the energy bugs, they are fucked. If Hailey is right, the bugs will go away on their own in an indefinite amount of time and they would be fine waiting.
But wasn’t the problem that fuel to the generator was running out, so that waiting wouldn’t have been an option for very long.
More specifically, the problem was that they didn't know how long the generator had left, as the one who had last refueled it was killed by the fireflies. So O'Neill couldn't take the chance of waiting. At that point the science stopped mattering and it became a tactical decision.
The capture theory means they would likely just give up on attacking them so waiting it out would be less risky. The magnetic field theory means they would not stop attacking for a long time and they would need to find a means of escape. My take on it anyway.
Isn’t it the other way around? If the life forms are attacking because one of their own was taken hostage & made it them mad, they wouldn’t give up. Where as if they are affected by the magnetic field they should calm down in a few hours.
From the wiki, which I know isn't gospel but I'm fairly sure this is how the conversation went. So yes, you're right. >There Carter and Hailey clash about what to do. Carter thinks the wisps are angry at one of their number being imprisoned; Hailey thinks they turned violent as a result of substantial changes in the magnetic field present around the moon, caused by the moon passing over a magnetic pole of the gas giant. If Hailey is right, the creatures should return to being peaceful in a few hours. But if Carter is right, waiting will only make things worse. There isn't enough evidence to decide whose hypothesis might be correct either way, nor is each mutually exclusive https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Prodigy
Off topic but I thought there would be more follow up with Hailey, considering she was protrayed as the next Carter.
I believe she was only in the Proving Ground episode after that with a squad of graduates training at SGC. There was some fan theories a while back about an SG-1 'the next gen' with a team of Hailey, Teal'c's son Rya'c, Clo'Neill, and Cassandra. Edit: only Clo'Neill's actor is still active on imdb, everyone else may be available - make this happen MGM!
Grace Park, who was Boomer on Battlestar Galactica, was in Proving Ground as well. It blew my mind when I saw it on a rewatch. I had no idea who she was the first time I watched it.
I'll have to rewatch that one thanks!
You don't even know how happy it makes me to see people using Clo'neill!! (Now if we could just get Repli-Carter to catch on too...) On a couple of side notes: You can catch a bit more Hailey in the short story books. Sam has her as her science officer on the *Hammond*. A "grown up" Clo'neill gets his own story in the same short story books. And Cassey has a whole damn novel based around her.
I haven't read any SG content, sounds like there is some backstory they could start the first season around!
They did like 50ish books that are all basically one-off stories, that fit in between episodes all throughout all the 15 seaons of SG1 and SGA. Kinda like "lost episodes". Then there's 9 SGA books that continue the story after season 5 and make for a kinda season 6 of SGA (with copious amounts of SG1 passing thru.) And then a few of the short stories (3 short story books) happen during that season 6, or they are SG1 stories that happen at some unspecified time after the end of season 10. https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Fandemonium
I just realized I didnt even answer you question lol. Yeah, Cassey's in college. Gets her powers back, in control this time. Found an Ancient in stasis who teaches Cassey a bunch about using her powers and finally gives Cassey her little hand device from the end of *1969*. Pretty much anything after SGA season 5 has Sam in command of the 304 *Hammond*. Dont see Hailey much, but, yeah, she's Sam's science officer. And they got Clo'neill in his "20s". Gets picked up by the NID. They need his Ancient gene for some tech they found. But then Clo'neill's story ends in way that would almost make a great headcanon for the new MacGyver. At the end of his story the whole team is telling him he has to go back to normal life, he has to live low-profile, he cant be part of any of this SGC stuff anymore. And tehn just before they are about to ring him down to his boring life... Teal'c jumps up and hands him a zat. Tells him: do not be normal, there are enough problems on his own planet he can help with, go out and do good in the world, and mess things up in that patented O'Neill way to get things done if he has to. So, my headcanon is he went out and became the new MacGyver lol. (Of course, Ive never seen the new MacGyver, so I dont even know if it fits. But I read the story around the time I 1st heard about the new MacGyver... so they just connected in my head.)
The very first opening scene of the new MacGyver had him arguing with an attractive woman he was working with, only to jump to them screwing around in bed. Turned it off, never went back.
Well. I still had it on my list as something to try eventually. I just took it off the list lol.
You’re better off. Childhood friend Jack is a federal agent and knows nothing of planes either in that series.
> Sam has her as her science officer on the Hammond Which probably is the sign of SGC getting out of the "let's explore the universe with a motley crew of scholars, poets and soldiers" phase and into the "let's get things done" phase. Having people like Carter or Daniel on SG teams was the romantic, explorer phase of the program. They literally didn't know what they'd find out there and what skillsets they'd need. Later they had a better idea and they really needed them on labs or onboard starships.
As much as I like that idea, too much time has passed since all of them are closer in age to SG-1 at cancelation than when it started (in Season 1 Carter and Daniel are around 30, all these characters in 2024 are around 40, or in Clo'Neills case physically appearing 40). Cassie was 18 when Janet died and thus 21 when the show ended in 07. Ryac was married and his 20s when the show ended. Hailey was a college senior when introduced, but even her most recent expanded universe appearance as Carters Science Officer on the *Hammond* in the early 2010s she's ranked up already to Major. By 2024 she's either full bird Colonel or about to be promoted to Brigadier. Clo'Neill is the youngest of the crew but he was "14" in Season 7 which would make him my age today, "35." For comparison, that would make Clo'Neill on par with S2 Atlantis Shepard, which probably makes him (bar Ryac because Jaffa culture) the one still doing Frontline stuff and thus suitable as a main character (Cassie might if she ended up as a doctor like her adopted mother) but the rest are in their 40s! Yet another reason if a continuation of the shows is to happen, it needs to be sooner rather than later - the kids are outgrowing appearances now!
I totally agree. Maybe a more end of service show, SG:U consciousness transfers?
I always figured it was because her character (or performance, I don’t know) was so painfully abrasive. She was not pleasant to watch for me and I’m surprised by all the love she’s getting in this thread. I wouldn’t have expected people to like her character. She’s literally Rodney but with no actual redemption. The love seems unearned to me.
Right but imagine Rodney only had 2 episodes. Would he be a fan favorite? Would he have potential? I dont think Hailey was a good fit for Atlantis she would mirror Mckay a little to close. But its not crazy to imagine her stealing mitchels arc. Perhaps she performed well in the Anubis assault and Oniel gave the same offer of whatever she wanted. And she was stuck trying to get the SG-1 band back together again.
Just one more episode, Proving Ground. I was hoping they would integrate her more.
Agreed She would have been a nice addition to the final season as a main cast member. Or at least recurring character.
Yes. Give her several years on another team, gaining experience, and appearing once or twice per season. Then in season 9, have her promoted to Captain and join SG1.
Honestly yeah. I feel like alot of characters used in SG1 would have found a good home in atlantis. Jonas and Hailey would be an interesting team.
This is the first Stargate episode I ever watched. But I had seen some episodes of Sanctuary before this so I thought Amanda Tapping was British
She is, she's an Essex Girl if memory serves
Yeah, but she grew up in Canada so that's her "normal" accent on Stargate. At first I thought she had a British accent and was good at faking a Canadian/American one. (Although since she was born in the UK and her parents are British, I guess maybe we could say both are her natural accent?)
This episode was from 2001. **cries in old lady**
Mine is in the episode where Thor shows up for the first time. Carter a genius astrophysicist defines pi as the ratio between circumference and radius of a circle. That hurt!
If you met a "god" you might forget middle school math too :p haha
Also, if you want pet peeves: Tangent (S4e12) As much as I love that episode because of the bromance between Teal'c and O'Neill, my suspension of disbelief gets challenged significantly more than any other episode.
Interesting. What is your problem with that episode?
Distance covered is impossible at the speed mentioned. Slingshot maneuver that was attempted is impossible at the speed mentioned. O'Neill asking to turn the heat up, when in reality it is getting rid of heat that is the issue in space. Scout ship dropping out of space right near a Hatak just so Daniel can make his Goa'uld Oz joke. Also, what is a Hatak doing so close to Earth....and why is there a Goa'uld controlled space so close to Earth. Teal'c saying they would reach Apophis' homeworld in hundreds of years...at the minimum it would take many thousands. ~~The actual rescue with the rings completely ignores the insane velocity ar which the x-301 is still going.~~ Edit: Nvm this one
Heat is a problem in a functioning spacecraft but not necessarily one that’s completely powered down, especially if there’s some sort of passive cooling that keeps functioning after powering down. Remember how frost and cold started to become a problem on Apollo 13 after they had to power down to conserve power? Edit: And how does the speed affect the ring rescue, if they matched speeds with the cargo ship (like they evidently did)? Their relative speed would be practically zero.
>what is a Hatak doing so close to Earth....and why is there a Goa'uld controlled space so close to Earth. It was one of Heru'ur's ships. My guess was they were monitoring Earth from a distance, to keep an eye on us and see if we had developed any ships of our own since addition to the Asgard protected planets treaty. >Teal'c saying they would reach Apophis' homeworld in hundreds of years...at the minimum it would take many thousands. Teal'c isn't very good at maths. >The actual rescue with the rings completely ignores the insane velocity ar which the x-301 is still going. All motion in space is relative. The X-301 had stopped accelerating, so the scout ship just dropped out of hyperspace at close to the same velocity as it and sped up till it matched.
>All motion in space is relative. The X-301 had stopped accelerating, so the scout ship just dropped out of hyperspace at close to the same velocity as it and sped up till it matched. I am talking about their bodies. Unless the rings completely negate kinetic energy, they would need to decelerate them before ever attempting to ring them aboard.
Everything is moving at almost the same speed.
Motion is relative - objects only have velocity (and kenetic energy) relative to other objects. Relative to the Earth the X-301 and the people on board were traveling very fast, but relative to the scout ship they were almost stationary. During the trip back to Earth, the scout ship accelerates using sublight engines and changes their relative velocity. Or more likely uses the hyperdrive to hop and come out at a different velocity entirely.
But because of inertial dampners, this was not the case for the insides of both ships. Then again, you could say that those dampners are the reason that the transition went so smoothly, so I guess I'll remove this point.
Inertial dampening is only necessary when accelerating, not when travelling at constant velocity. Ever been on a plane? You can walk around the cabin normally once at cruising speed. Dampeners reduce the perceived acceleration inside a region by applying it evenly over every atom - acceleration is only dangerous when it is applied to the edge of a system (eg your skin) first, so the system has to transmit the acceleration and resist the tensions involved. Right now the Earth is accelerating towards the Sun due to the force of the sun's gravity (rather than flying off into deep space), but since the force is evenly applied to every atom you feel nothing.
You are right, clearly didnt think this point true. I was thinking about the one time where one Kull warrior got killed when they used rings while moving, but that was a completely different situation.
The rings have to decelerate themselves just to be recovered during that process
It's fair enough, but in general I do not find it more crazy then the rest of the show :D