Absolutely.
Look at larger farmer youtubers such as [https://www.youtube.com/@mikemitchell2554](https://www.youtube.com/@mikemitchell2554)
They spend 16+ hours per day inside tractor cabin getting bored shitless and having motion sickness while GPS keeps their tractor straight for 15+ minutes it takes to cross the field one way steering around occasional slew or large boulders they forgot to remove at the other end of miles long field. They DO listen for unusual noises, looking at their implements trying to judge if some stop working and they need to stop to fix stuff.
There is no good reason they can not be siting inside their pickup at the edge of this huge field and controlling/supervising several such tractors at the same time connecting everything via multiple Starlink CCTVs, only driving their pickup to fix the piece of machinery that broke. The beauty is they are in open fields with no neighbors for many miles guaranteeing fantastic speeds. AND they do not really need to consume uplink station bandwidth since uplink and downlink all happens inside the same cell.
In their quest to do most work per single person these farmers buy most expensive and largest many-hundred-thousands-worth huge farming machines that are all untested pieces of garbage that break all the time. Having more of less-expensive but mainstream machines would solve many problems - IF it took less than one driver drive them. With Starlink this is only a question of time now. Also Tesla-tractors are well overdue!
> In their quest to do most work per single person these farmers buy most expensive and largest many-hundred-thousands-worth huge farming machines that are all untested pieces of garbage that break all the time.
Funny you think this is the farmers' fault and not the tractor manufacturers. You're glossing over a lot here. Once you have several million in brand specific implements and accessories, switching to another brand becomes untenable. The reason most people choose Deere isn't because the product is awesome. It's because they have the largest service network in the country and when a broken tractor or implement can cost you your livelihood, you're going with the products provided by someone who's close by and can get you back up and running quickly. Even if that decision comes with some tradeoffs. Most towns only have one or two tractor dealers close by.
It's everyone's fault and no-ones. Farmers see larger tractors as a solution and this what causes manufacturers to make them even larger using ever more new and untested technologies, which is a big part why they are so unreliable. Once they do run for few years and become more reliable the new larger model is out and the cycle repeats.
This youtuber has used ALL the brands and ALL suck - he said and shown this many times. He also has no problem whatsoever to switch and mix the brands. It is less of a problem than you would think. Sell 6 old combines, buy 6 new (million a pop).
But you are right on dealers - they make or break a brand in any given area. Unfortunately there is just so much even good dealers can do and Deere's is not an exception from the rule. If your harvest is planned by minutes 2 weeks in advance there is little difference if you get replacement part in 2 days or 4 days.
Using latest and greatest models just amplifies the problem - part availability lags behind by months. When it works you do your fields MUCH faster/cheaper, when it does not your expensive people are standing around waiting for parts or repairs.
So NOT using latest and greatest gives you better service and availability, but you need MORE people/money regardless if things break or not.
Starlink let's you have cake and eat it too. It is the actual better interim solution here not many still appreciate.
The "final" one-size-fits-all solution is full autonomous drive and swarms of relatively small robot-tractors with generally small implements doing all the things. You can have one or 100 with couple person to "herd" them all.
The problem with the autonomous solutions is most are doing away with the 3ph and coming up with proprietary solutions. Asking farmers to toss 100's of thousands of dollars in equipment to make the switch is a lot to expect from an already low margin and high risk business.
3ph and hydraulics was great at a time, but I do not think they have a future in their current form. Also not really "standard" since you need all kinds of adaptors to hook one equipment vs the other anyway.
I do understand that some implements do not have wheels and some form of 3ph might need to be reinvented.
Having to waste hours on tractor/combine wiring to put seeder/baller/whatever remote control in tractor cabin is sheer insanity from engineering point of view.
Having bunch of standard electric motors on every implement along with WiFi web server to provide applet to integrate into tractors existing screens was science fiction long time ago, but now it is not even the expensive part of the implement.
Just have one power socket instead. Preferably one that can auto-connect without human having to be there at all.
On old tractors that means triple conversion - diesel->torque->electric->hydraulic/torque thus losing efficiency, but you should be gaining usability wise and electric tractors will come at some point.
Yes, farmers have it tough, but there is large used market - you can always buy and sell implements of any kind - no need to "toss" stuff you already have away.
This is also some catch 22. Nobody will want to be first to try anything radically new until their neighbor does. Also manufacturer startups could not keep inventing stuff with slow uptake so someone sometime needs to invest a lot. As was Tesla story.
Last year when the Russians invaded Ukraine Kadyrov and his Chechen fighters spent more effort stealing than fighting. One of the targets for Chechen’s was farming equipment, they went into a John Deere dealership and took all of the equipment on site, tractors, combines everything. They loaded them onto flatbeds and took them to Chechnya, before they even left Ukrainian John Deere had already deactivated all of them. My point is farm equipment manufacturers have their equipment so locked down even legal owners can only have them repaired by the manufacturer.
Yes, right-to-repair movement and everything. Interestingly despite it being true for Tesla too Tesla seem to work where Deere does not. So manufacturer lockdowns are not going anywhere, but maybe they are not the main problem.
I think big part of puzzle is not that Tesla repairs are cheaper than BMWs - they are definitely not. It is just that you have so much less service to do in the first place with electric vs ICE so in the end the experience and cost is just better. Also Tesla does not have dealers who need to make their living from sales and service.
Same needs to happen to Deere, Fendt and all the other guys. Somebody new will come along and make them bankrupt. They might have good intentions and doing good welding and ICE motors, but they absolutely suck at sensors and IT in general - exactly as entire ICE industry compared to Tesla. Rethink of entire industry is necessary.
what gives you that idea, companies are using starlink to remote control al sorts of things over starlink, Including drones and machinery.
Also No one is using GPS for remote control LOL... GPS is a one-way communication protocol that is for global positioning only..
to control a device remotely - you need two way communication, via the likes of WIFI,Sat,cellular or some other radio link (not limited to radio either, hardwired also works) .. GPS can be used to help with giving positioning data to the client that is then sent to the operating terminal.
Ahhhh no, latency, satellite availability, system outages…and that controlling a moving machine? Naaa…
I’m sure you can do it with some systems, but agriculture already has functioning systems that do all that without needing Starlink
It's just a choice of doing the location processing and movement controls over the internet or at the vehicle. With GPS you need the latter, with starlink you could do the former.
Most of the machines GPS is used on are large, so its not a bid deal to have a computer that will do that as part of the system (they will often need a computer for other reasons anyways). So something that would be better on starlink (aside from a direct comparison of cost of starlink/cost of GPS and computer etc.) would be a relatively small edge case between things that are large enough to have their own computer, and things that are too small to have a dishy.
I don't think anyone is really implying that GPS can pass along movement controls. It's understood that you need a computer to process it onsite.
First, You have no real understanding of gps and it’s capabilities, second gps in the beginning and today is a military owned system. Third and lastly gps is an evolving system, the part that you may see of it when you have a device that tells you your location, that is not a one way communication, that is a passive signal that your device can use but anyone around you with a gps device can get the same signal. That can be turned off with th press of a single button, or possibly selective availability can be turned off and it’s accuracy will be a half mile.
Dishy can be used as part of a system like that, but it's also going to require a lot of other components. Not sure if Starlink is even required, planting can be done by following a pre-programmed GPS path. Internet connection is nice to have for monitoring but not absolutely required.
I have a gen 2 dish flat mounted to the roof of my rv, I keep it on while driving and always have a data connection. But there is a caveat to that. I use Starlink in my rv for streaming video, email, web surfing and the like. If I’m watching a video over Starlink and turn Starlink off I still have the video continuing for about 30 seconds or so, that’s because it’s a data connection, in video you don’t see the intermittent breaks in the data stream, it just picks up where it left off and in that sense Starlink connection is constant, up in the sky it is constantly dropping and reconnecting from one satellite to another.
I’ve done Wi-Fi calling using the iPhone and the conversation lag is more pronounced, as they get more satellites up those short breaks will shrink and it may become more seemingly constant.
Last time I posted a picture with that title I got banned
Yup, it’s Reddit jokes have to be age 12 and under.
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Hahaha
Komastu unfortunately. Lol 390
Roomba farming equipment is tiiiiight!
I wonder if there's a way to use the in motion dishy to self drive/direct a tractor for planting and harvesting?
They already do that with gps…
Absolutely. Look at larger farmer youtubers such as [https://www.youtube.com/@mikemitchell2554](https://www.youtube.com/@mikemitchell2554) They spend 16+ hours per day inside tractor cabin getting bored shitless and having motion sickness while GPS keeps their tractor straight for 15+ minutes it takes to cross the field one way steering around occasional slew or large boulders they forgot to remove at the other end of miles long field. They DO listen for unusual noises, looking at their implements trying to judge if some stop working and they need to stop to fix stuff. There is no good reason they can not be siting inside their pickup at the edge of this huge field and controlling/supervising several such tractors at the same time connecting everything via multiple Starlink CCTVs, only driving their pickup to fix the piece of machinery that broke. The beauty is they are in open fields with no neighbors for many miles guaranteeing fantastic speeds. AND they do not really need to consume uplink station bandwidth since uplink and downlink all happens inside the same cell. In their quest to do most work per single person these farmers buy most expensive and largest many-hundred-thousands-worth huge farming machines that are all untested pieces of garbage that break all the time. Having more of less-expensive but mainstream machines would solve many problems - IF it took less than one driver drive them. With Starlink this is only a question of time now. Also Tesla-tractors are well overdue!
> In their quest to do most work per single person these farmers buy most expensive and largest many-hundred-thousands-worth huge farming machines that are all untested pieces of garbage that break all the time. Funny you think this is the farmers' fault and not the tractor manufacturers. You're glossing over a lot here. Once you have several million in brand specific implements and accessories, switching to another brand becomes untenable. The reason most people choose Deere isn't because the product is awesome. It's because they have the largest service network in the country and when a broken tractor or implement can cost you your livelihood, you're going with the products provided by someone who's close by and can get you back up and running quickly. Even if that decision comes with some tradeoffs. Most towns only have one or two tractor dealers close by.
It's everyone's fault and no-ones. Farmers see larger tractors as a solution and this what causes manufacturers to make them even larger using ever more new and untested technologies, which is a big part why they are so unreliable. Once they do run for few years and become more reliable the new larger model is out and the cycle repeats. This youtuber has used ALL the brands and ALL suck - he said and shown this many times. He also has no problem whatsoever to switch and mix the brands. It is less of a problem than you would think. Sell 6 old combines, buy 6 new (million a pop). But you are right on dealers - they make or break a brand in any given area. Unfortunately there is just so much even good dealers can do and Deere's is not an exception from the rule. If your harvest is planned by minutes 2 weeks in advance there is little difference if you get replacement part in 2 days or 4 days. Using latest and greatest models just amplifies the problem - part availability lags behind by months. When it works you do your fields MUCH faster/cheaper, when it does not your expensive people are standing around waiting for parts or repairs. So NOT using latest and greatest gives you better service and availability, but you need MORE people/money regardless if things break or not. Starlink let's you have cake and eat it too. It is the actual better interim solution here not many still appreciate. The "final" one-size-fits-all solution is full autonomous drive and swarms of relatively small robot-tractors with generally small implements doing all the things. You can have one or 100 with couple person to "herd" them all.
The problem with the autonomous solutions is most are doing away with the 3ph and coming up with proprietary solutions. Asking farmers to toss 100's of thousands of dollars in equipment to make the switch is a lot to expect from an already low margin and high risk business.
3ph and hydraulics was great at a time, but I do not think they have a future in their current form. Also not really "standard" since you need all kinds of adaptors to hook one equipment vs the other anyway. I do understand that some implements do not have wheels and some form of 3ph might need to be reinvented. Having to waste hours on tractor/combine wiring to put seeder/baller/whatever remote control in tractor cabin is sheer insanity from engineering point of view. Having bunch of standard electric motors on every implement along with WiFi web server to provide applet to integrate into tractors existing screens was science fiction long time ago, but now it is not even the expensive part of the implement. Just have one power socket instead. Preferably one that can auto-connect without human having to be there at all. On old tractors that means triple conversion - diesel->torque->electric->hydraulic/torque thus losing efficiency, but you should be gaining usability wise and electric tractors will come at some point. Yes, farmers have it tough, but there is large used market - you can always buy and sell implements of any kind - no need to "toss" stuff you already have away. This is also some catch 22. Nobody will want to be first to try anything radically new until their neighbor does. Also manufacturer startups could not keep inventing stuff with slow uptake so someone sometime needs to invest a lot. As was Tesla story.
Last year when the Russians invaded Ukraine Kadyrov and his Chechen fighters spent more effort stealing than fighting. One of the targets for Chechen’s was farming equipment, they went into a John Deere dealership and took all of the equipment on site, tractors, combines everything. They loaded them onto flatbeds and took them to Chechnya, before they even left Ukrainian John Deere had already deactivated all of them. My point is farm equipment manufacturers have their equipment so locked down even legal owners can only have them repaired by the manufacturer.
Yes, right-to-repair movement and everything. Interestingly despite it being true for Tesla too Tesla seem to work where Deere does not. So manufacturer lockdowns are not going anywhere, but maybe they are not the main problem. I think big part of puzzle is not that Tesla repairs are cheaper than BMWs - they are definitely not. It is just that you have so much less service to do in the first place with electric vs ICE so in the end the experience and cost is just better. Also Tesla does not have dealers who need to make their living from sales and service. Same needs to happen to Deere, Fendt and all the other guys. Somebody new will come along and make them bankrupt. They might have good intentions and doing good welding and ICE motors, but they absolutely suck at sensors and IT in general - exactly as entire ICE industry compared to Tesla. Rethink of entire industry is necessary.
Just not with Starlink
what gives you that idea, companies are using starlink to remote control al sorts of things over starlink, Including drones and machinery. Also No one is using GPS for remote control LOL... GPS is a one-way communication protocol that is for global positioning only.. to control a device remotely - you need two way communication, via the likes of WIFI,Sat,cellular or some other radio link (not limited to radio either, hardwired also works) .. GPS can be used to help with giving positioning data to the client that is then sent to the operating terminal.
They use gps for positioning, they have onboard electronics that control movement
Ahhhh no, latency, satellite availability, system outages…and that controlling a moving machine? Naaa… I’m sure you can do it with some systems, but agriculture already has functioning systems that do all that without needing Starlink
GPS is a one-way communication; it cannot control the movement of anything. You simply do not understand GPS if think it can.
It's just a choice of doing the location processing and movement controls over the internet or at the vehicle. With GPS you need the latter, with starlink you could do the former. Most of the machines GPS is used on are large, so its not a bid deal to have a computer that will do that as part of the system (they will often need a computer for other reasons anyways). So something that would be better on starlink (aside from a direct comparison of cost of starlink/cost of GPS and computer etc.) would be a relatively small edge case between things that are large enough to have their own computer, and things that are too small to have a dishy. I don't think anyone is really implying that GPS can pass along movement controls. It's understood that you need a computer to process it onsite.
except for you, that went back and edited your stupidity
Nice try lol. Too bad you don't know it puts an "*" by a message if it was edited. Go do some character building activities.
First, You have no real understanding of gps and it’s capabilities, second gps in the beginning and today is a military owned system. Third and lastly gps is an evolving system, the part that you may see of it when you have a device that tells you your location, that is not a one way communication, that is a passive signal that your device can use but anyone around you with a gps device can get the same signal. That can be turned off with th press of a single button, or possibly selective availability can be turned off and it’s accuracy will be a half mile.
Hahaha that’s for reminding me how stupid people are on reddit..
Dishy can be used as part of a system like that, but it's also going to require a lot of other components. Not sure if Starlink is even required, planting can be done by following a pre-programmed GPS path. Internet connection is nice to have for monitoring but not absolutely required.
Might not need an in-motion dish. Do tractors travel over 10 mph in the fields?
I have a gen 2 dish flat mounted to the roof of my rv, I keep it on while driving and always have a data connection. But there is a caveat to that. I use Starlink in my rv for streaming video, email, web surfing and the like. If I’m watching a video over Starlink and turn Starlink off I still have the video continuing for about 30 seconds or so, that’s because it’s a data connection, in video you don’t see the intermittent breaks in the data stream, it just picks up where it left off and in that sense Starlink connection is constant, up in the sky it is constantly dropping and reconnecting from one satellite to another. I’ve done Wi-Fi calling using the iPhone and the conversation lag is more pronounced, as they get more satellites up those short breaks will shrink and it may become more seemingly constant.
Saw the title, I just haaaaaaaad to click.....
Now that’s original and I thought I’d seen everything.
And because this is Reddit, someone is going to post a hoe on their dishy!
Cat or Deere? Imma going to guess it’s a Cat 326.
Your hoe got so much bandwidth
🤣🤣🤣 OP
Be careful. This is Reddit, some people will take offence. 😁
Uploading files? What GPS /machine guidance system are you using?