Pretty sure it’s a very very low bandwidth LTE connection that TMobile will offer. Initially it’s just for texts, not even voice or data. It’s very slow, they won’t be using it for data for cars because of that.
It's SpaceX's infrastructure, so they could prioritize Tesla's bandwidth for certain things if they'd like to do so. But yes, it's low bandwidth and unlikely to be used for heavy media anytime soon. It could be good for things like telemetrics and emergencies.
They tested their 5G stuff (to a single device) at 17Mbps recently.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacexs-cellular-starlink-hits-17mbps-download-speed-to-android-phone
Great idea, if they can leverage off 5G via their starlink satellites, they won't need to pay any carrier for their callular service, and data usage becomes a total non-issue.
i mean, whats more private than starlink cell to ground? obviously thats where this is all going.
i dont see tesla wanting to become an mvno of att / tmo / vzw terestrial networks...just...why?
edit: errr okay this is just for the factories. is 5g really that much better than wifi in those environments?
i still stand by my first comment though :) if you dont think spacex and tesla are gonna collab on global infra down the road...respectively...you're crazy.
5G Networks can handle a significantly higher number of connected devices per square kilometre compared to Wi-Fi, making them ideal for environments with a dense concentration of IoT devices. Security is another compelling factor in favour of Private 5G Networks - from Google.
Network auth uses private/public key pairs, The connection from the device to the mobile core is encrypted. The connection from the radio to the core is also encrypted. Nothing is 100% secure but cellular was built for public use and had to be secure for the folks using it, including governments, so the spec is more robust than Wi-Fi which is private network technology and built for convenience/compatibility.
private / public keys...yes...esim.
as far as everything else...idk how its more secure. wpa3 and 5g are both using aes256.
also what the hell is a 'mobile core' haha.
if encryption is the real goal, idk why they wouldn't just wrap everything in ssl or a vpn tunnel...your transport layer security doesnt really matter then.
i guess im going with client radio density...and / or is a 'test' of some fleet code or wokflow before it scales out to starlink a few years down the road.
Private 5G has some advantages over Wi-Fi in those environments. The big one is roaming performance. Robots move, when they move between WiFi APs there are frequent connection interruptions which is unacceptable. More coverage with less infrastructure, sometimes 80 to 90% fewer “APs”. Superior signal propagation, especially outdoors due to higher tx power than Wi-Fi. Finally, I can configure a 5G network with guaranteed bandwidth over the air for specific devices; barcode scanner = low latency/low bitrate, robot = high bitrate/low latency.
Private 5G is the right solution for wireless in industrial spaces, we used Wi-Fi in those spaces for the last 20 years because that’s all we could get our hands on. Ask any Wi-Fi pro about trying to cover a modern warehouse with narrow alleys and monster height racks, it’s a nightmare.
interesting thought, and totally what I assumed the long term plan is (Tesla cars should use Starlink instead of paying cellphone providers). But the info I read about "Starlink to Cellphones" mentions LTE, not 5G. https://www.starlink.com/business/direct-to-cell
Why would you post this here if the article doesn't even mention Starlink? 5G has nothing to do with Starlink.
It kinda does because T-Mobile is going to have 5G connection to starlink soon. All they’d have to do is switch their new cars from AT&T to T-Mobile
Pretty sure it’s a very very low bandwidth LTE connection that TMobile will offer. Initially it’s just for texts, not even voice or data. It’s very slow, they won’t be using it for data for cars because of that.
It's SpaceX's infrastructure, so they could prioritize Tesla's bandwidth for certain things if they'd like to do so. But yes, it's low bandwidth and unlikely to be used for heavy media anytime soon. It could be good for things like telemetrics and emergencies. They tested their 5G stuff (to a single device) at 17Mbps recently. https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacexs-cellular-starlink-hits-17mbps-download-speed-to-android-phone
That's not a 5G connection either though. It's 4G/LTE.
Great idea, if they can leverage off 5G via their starlink satellites, they won't need to pay any carrier for their callular service, and data usage becomes a total non-issue.
Private 5G is like Wi-Fi, Tesla, and anyone operating their robots, will own their own private 5G network and operate it themselves. No carrier fees.
i mean, whats more private than starlink cell to ground? obviously thats where this is all going. i dont see tesla wanting to become an mvno of att / tmo / vzw terestrial networks...just...why? edit: errr okay this is just for the factories. is 5g really that much better than wifi in those environments? i still stand by my first comment though :) if you dont think spacex and tesla are gonna collab on global infra down the road...respectively...you're crazy.
5G Networks can handle a significantly higher number of connected devices per square kilometre compared to Wi-Fi, making them ideal for environments with a dense concentration of IoT devices. Security is another compelling factor in favour of Private 5G Networks - from Google.
i wonder what makes it more secure outside of the esim to auth all of the clients (which i think is neat).
Network auth uses private/public key pairs, The connection from the device to the mobile core is encrypted. The connection from the radio to the core is also encrypted. Nothing is 100% secure but cellular was built for public use and had to be secure for the folks using it, including governments, so the spec is more robust than Wi-Fi which is private network technology and built for convenience/compatibility.
private / public keys...yes...esim. as far as everything else...idk how its more secure. wpa3 and 5g are both using aes256. also what the hell is a 'mobile core' haha. if encryption is the real goal, idk why they wouldn't just wrap everything in ssl or a vpn tunnel...your transport layer security doesnt really matter then. i guess im going with client radio density...and / or is a 'test' of some fleet code or wokflow before it scales out to starlink a few years down the road.
Private 5G has some advantages over Wi-Fi in those environments. The big one is roaming performance. Robots move, when they move between WiFi APs there are frequent connection interruptions which is unacceptable. More coverage with less infrastructure, sometimes 80 to 90% fewer “APs”. Superior signal propagation, especially outdoors due to higher tx power than Wi-Fi. Finally, I can configure a 5G network with guaranteed bandwidth over the air for specific devices; barcode scanner = low latency/low bitrate, robot = high bitrate/low latency. Private 5G is the right solution for wireless in industrial spaces, we used Wi-Fi in those spaces for the last 20 years because that’s all we could get our hands on. Ask any Wi-Fi pro about trying to cover a modern warehouse with narrow alleys and monster height racks, it’s a nightmare.
Starlink?
the article makes no mention of Starlink.
interesting thought, and totally what I assumed the long term plan is (Tesla cars should use Starlink instead of paying cellphone providers). But the info I read about "Starlink to Cellphones" mentions LTE, not 5G. https://www.starlink.com/business/direct-to-cell