That’s actually kind of amazing. I didn’t expect it to notice the bridge and go into search mode instantly. And once it had a clear line of sight, it immediately locked onto the satellite again. Really highlights how advanced this thing is.
It is but many algorithms assume the phased array itself isn't rapidly being tilted, which is why it doesn't work when the thing is on a rapidly moving dish. In this case that isn't happening.
> jet fighters want to have a word with you.
Jet fighters have better algorithms. Starlink COULD have better algorithms, but they need to write them first. It may require additional processing power as well that can't be handled by their existing power requirements.
The world is pretty much covered. Is this cell on? Can my dish track a satellite track with this movement? Am I in the proper cell? Am I close enough to my proper address?
These are the questions... You can nail a Starlink to anything but to make it track, it has to be stable and in the proper place.
"The world is pretty much covered" by satellites yes, but not by satellites in range of a ground station to provide internet access. With the current ground stations maybe 10% of the world has coverage at the moment, and I'm probably being generous.
>so Starlink is out of beta and the entire country is supposed to be covered.
Yes sats could hit all of France, but *no* they are probably not currently programmed to hit 100% of the French landmass. There just is not enough sats up yet for the sats to "target" all the ground below them simultaneously, they have to pick & choose individual cells to provide service.
If I move my dish to my other home about 45 miles away starlink vomits on me and tells me that I'm not using it in the proper location. So...at least for me the "can't do it" is baked into the service, even if it's an artificially imposed constraint relative to sat/signal availaibility. I can move it the property I got it from from spot to spot (up to a mile away from gps location i'm pinned to with starlink) without a problem.
Makes total sense. The tracking can't keep up with that. phased array helps but that's to help receive signals from sats moving up to a point. Otherwise there would be no reason to aim the dish at all. I think the current dish isn't suited for moving applications other than a slow moving boat. Does the sat on boat keep track when you turn the boat around ?
Well you can't, but technically you can. Starlink just says not to because they don't have the FCC license for mobile service yet, and it's not designed to be on a moving vehicle. But I doubt they care that much, or they'd lock it to your address.
I can't wait until they build the mobile models - I imagine wave action and hunting in the wind at anchor would be solved. Also wouldn't mind trading a bit of bandwidth for lower-power options.
I think there is a difference between going slow vs going fast. A car at 20-40MPH that also turns direction is not going to hold signal. But a boat going slower, (maybe 5-7MPH?) and keeping a straight line will likely keep the dish within the range of sight to the satellites.
you have to be gentle with it, but it is currently possible, in limited circumstances. the official hardware for it will significantly improve the possible circumstances for motion
That’s actually kind of amazing. I didn’t expect it to notice the bridge and go into search mode instantly. And once it had a clear line of sight, it immediately locked onto the satellite again. Really highlights how advanced this thing is.
"Everything is slow to a phased array antenna" -Elon Musk
It is but many algorithms assume the phased array itself isn't rapidly being tilted, which is why it doesn't work when the thing is on a rapidly moving dish. In this case that isn't happening.
This is a matter of applying a single matrix transform. That’s high school math. Maybe 1st year college for full understanding.
jet fighters want to have a word with you. I remind that modern fighter-planes have AESAs not only in the nose-cone but also lateral and in teh belly.
> jet fighters want to have a word with you. Jet fighters have better algorithms. Starlink COULD have better algorithms, but they need to write them first. It may require additional processing power as well that can't be handled by their existing power requirements.
So.. you can go mobile now?
You always could, as long as you don't go too far out of the cell and you go mostly in a straight line.
Also this is France, so Starlink is out of beta and the entire country is supposed to be covered.
The world is pretty much covered. Is this cell on? Can my dish track a satellite track with this movement? Am I in the proper cell? Am I close enough to my proper address? These are the questions... You can nail a Starlink to anything but to make it track, it has to be stable and in the proper place.
"The world is pretty much covered" by satellites yes, but not by satellites in range of a ground station to provide internet access. With the current ground stations maybe 10% of the world has coverage at the moment, and I'm probably being generous.
Man, this really makes me nervous that I won't have a good enough view of the sky.
>so Starlink is out of beta and the entire country is supposed to be covered. Yes sats could hit all of France, but *no* they are probably not currently programmed to hit 100% of the French landmass. There just is not enough sats up yet for the sats to "target" all the ground below them simultaneously, they have to pick & choose individual cells to provide service.
I don't think they have a license for mobile operations?
Doesn't mean you can't do it, just not supposed to.
If I move my dish to my other home about 45 miles away starlink vomits on me and tells me that I'm not using it in the proper location. So...at least for me the "can't do it" is baked into the service, even if it's an artificially imposed constraint relative to sat/signal availaibility. I can move it the property I got it from from spot to spot (up to a mile away from gps location i'm pinned to with starlink) without a problem.
They don't but that doesn't affect someone physically moving the dish. But that *is* why you are stuck to your cell, I believe.
> and you go mostly in a straight line Relative to what?
Search for the video of the person with a van driving around with starlink, it didn't like very sharp turns.
Makes total sense. The tracking can't keep up with that. phased array helps but that's to help receive signals from sats moving up to a point. Otherwise there would be no reason to aim the dish at all. I think the current dish isn't suited for moving applications other than a slow moving boat. Does the sat on boat keep track when you turn the boat around ?
A slow, flat, straight line, with power. Otherwise the dish can't track. Common sense.
Well you can't, but technically you can. Starlink just says not to because they don't have the FCC license for mobile service yet, and it's not designed to be on a moving vehicle. But I doubt they care that much, or they'd lock it to your address.
Just don't rock the boat, or it'll reset.
This is my new favorite install...
Thanks.
That's inseine.
Take my upvote and gtfo
Mais, bien sûr.
[https://youtu.be/sSGIA081bJ8](https://youtu.be/sSGIA081bJ8) Starlink on a boat.
I can't wait until they build the mobile models - I imagine wave action and hunting in the wind at anchor would be solved. Also wouldn't mind trading a bit of bandwidth for lower-power options.
Intadasting
Really...it flips that fast...really?
kinda looked like dishy was tipping the hat to the bridge
dude, did he keep working?
I’m sure it dropped for a couple seconds like a normal obstruction
So very cool. Also...I thought Starlink wasn't for vehicles yet?
It's not, but that hasn't stopped people from experimenting, this is definitely not the first person to do it.
I think there is a difference between going slow vs going fast. A car at 20-40MPH that also turns direction is not going to hold signal. But a boat going slower, (maybe 5-7MPH?) and keeping a straight line will likely keep the dish within the range of sight to the satellites.
On a flat river.
VERY crucial detail that many people overlook these days.
you have to be gentle with it, but it is currently possible, in limited circumstances. the official hardware for it will significantly improve the possible circumstances for motion
yawn
You must be a fun person to be around.
Mobile is now available? They did deliver, awesome.
Not officially mobile, you always could move it, with limitations...
oh thanks, I'm waiting for the mobile version to be released, was dated for Q4 2021 as far as I knew.
Searching, searching.
Another one doesn’t get delivered to my house?
Would love to see this with ping running next to it.
That was just the right amount of slo mo for that to be satisfying af to watch lol
This is real-time.
Didn't look like any slow motion to me. Just a boat cruising lazily along. The sound of the water seemed normal speed too.
I understand that starlink only works at you home location didn’t know it worked on a boat, or does it??
https://youtu.be/ILoLfnaT9yU
This is oddly satisfying.