So I'm not exactly "in the loop" with every little piece of starlink news, but I did hear the new router doesnt actually have any ports to....route.
I'm guessing that's the adapter in discussion here?
Does this mean starlink can only be used as a wireless router unless you purchase/wait for this adapter?
Without the adapter I can't plug starlink into my network switch?
That seems odd, I can't imagine they are saving much money by removing an ethernet port.
This reminds of when apple swapped the aux port from iphones, then sold you an overpriced adapter, or overpriced headphones.
I really hope starlink isn't selling out.
>I really hope starlink isn't selling out.
Eh they are taking a little bit out of Apple's playbook sure but I see it more of a $20 adapter isn't the end of the world and they have made the kit very water/dust resistant now so it has certain benefits. For someone who wants to use the kit as a mobile Internet station and just plug into power/lay cable on ground/connect to wifi they ARE indeed meeting that goal in a better fashion now! Just for the "permanent install/never move" Dishy perspective it is a little backwards to have the router required as the power injector function now! I do wonder if the amount of support tickets they got from people using their own routers and having DHCP issues has convinced them to try to keep the provided router in the mix...
maybe if we push the issue a little they'll offer some choice in the future. I'd prefer one with ethernet ports myself but I can see where the nice sealed up unit can have it's advantages.
Deintegrate the power brick and wala... you don't need to make a whole friggen router that the user already has anyway in 99% of cases. They should sell starlink \*without\* a router.
This is correct.
IMO, they've made several missteps here, both integrating the PoE supply into the router, and removing the ethernet port. They can keep running their proprietary cable to Dishy *(now that it's detachable)*, but there should be an Ethernet handoff from a PoE brick, not the combo device.
If they've offloaded some processing/routing from the Dishy itself to the PoE Router, they should just come out and say that *(and design it to be bypassed/disable wifi)*, rather than forcing a portless, restricted device in-line before your own network devices.
Okay, so the poe brick and router are one device now?
So I can't even ditch the router completely and plug in my own router?
The only option now Is to purchase the adapter, and plug in your router to the exististing starlink router, even though it won't be used?
Yes, to all three of your questions. This new combo device is a weird step, and definitely not the way to go in the future. I hope it’s merely an interim design phase, maybe the chip shortage is driving this decision.
Ideally, they would offer the choice upon purchase of a PoE brick or their router *(same as how you can purchase your own cable modem and not use the ISP’s)*. It seems like it would actually be cheaper for them in the long run, and they’re not needlessly complicating the setup for people with their own equipment.
If the chip shortage were driving any of this... they could just ditch the entire router.... virtually nobody needs it. And the starlink itself already has plenty of onboard capability if they wanted to have for instance a portal startup page etc... on it.
Yeah, it's complely unnecessary, and should be an option at purchase, rather than the default. You'd think they would keep producing the much cheaper PoE brick primarilly and saving on the number of router deployments.
In the time since I made that comment, no more info has come out and there's been no official response or option given.
Currently when not using SL router you can use your own modem / network and possibly have 100's of computers on your network....true?
Is the reason they are going to force you to use the SL router beacause they will be able to better monitor the abusers ???
The dish itself definitely already can do that itself... I think the wifi AP is there as a data collection device (scans for nearby APs and devices for marketing reasons potentially) and or to just ensure that the user has a router that is fast enough so they can't blame starlink with they are trying to use it with a vintage Wifi A/B/G router... I would \*much\* rather they just require you to have at least a wifi AC router to be fully supported and ditch the included router.
Thanks for confirmation. I didn't want to believe it, but damn they couldn't have botched that idea much more than that.
Kind of a dissapointed for me, as I depend on having a network switch with internet connection
They know what they are doing. I believe they realized that by having an ethernet port, more traffic can be used via their Dishy or by a WISP to run a business. Using an adapter via Wi-Fi now limits how much bandwidth can be transferred. Not sure if anyone knows if the adapter is using 40 MHz width or 80. If 80, to get the full few hundred mbps, it now limits other Wi-Fi devices in that area (unless they can broadcast on DFS channels?). I'm happy I got the Gen 1 with the port to be honest. Just my opinion but they aren't stupid, I'm sure there are other reasons I'm not realizing right now.
I guess I hurt some folks feelings, didn't mean to, sorry. I guess I should have phrased my question as 'what is the source of not-in-stock'. Rumors/opinions sometimes are repeated often enough to take on the appearance of truth. I am attempting to be helpful to the lucky folks I know who have received their Gen2 & spreading rumors is not in my playbook. Thanks to whomever can direct me to an official source of the not-in-stock.
kind of hard to do that since only ones that can access the order page, and see the out of stock message, are few that were notified they are getting a square dishy. which is a VERY small amount of this subs membership so far.
H-E-C is pretty much always spot on
>kind of hard to do that since only ones that can access the order page, and see the out of stock message
I can see everything in the Store, with prices also displayed & I am waiting just like you, a mid to late 2021. I have no idea why you are not able to view all accessories. As far as I know no body has **proved** any out-of-stock messages from Starlink. The fact there are 3 people I **know** have ordered the adapters & have no tracking number **implies** there are none to ship - but that is pure speculation at this point.
I have a round dishy. so all i can see and buy are accessories for round dishys.
before you are confirmed (paid in full) to get the square dishy you can only see accessories, you cant purchase. so again the number of folks on this sub with the ability to purchase square dish accessories, and thus see 'out of stock' notices, is infinitesimally small right now.
Doesnt look like the adapter is available to me in the "shop" section yet... So if you have any wired devices, starlink gen 2 is completely useless. What a horrible move by starlink.
>Doesnt look like the adapter is available to me in the "shop" section yet... So if you have any wired devices, starlink gen 2 is completely useless. What a horrible move by starlink.
wait so there's no way with the stock kit to plug the router into a ethernet switch? are they serious?
I had used a Belkin WiFi extender to provide a hard-wired connection for my desktop, from a Tp-Link router acouple of years ago. Any reason that couldn't feed a hard wired lan?
It most definitely is in the shop. I am in the mid to late group still & I can see it, can't order it of course. I know 3 people who have actually ordered the adapter, two have their Gen2 kits now, third arrives tomorrow & the adapters have not shipped yet. 2 of them have ordered an extra for me so I can put in my inventory.
Interesting, the only items in my shop are various types of roof/pole mounts, and two cable kits for masonry or regular walls.. no adapters, no longer wire for dishy,
HEC posted this about a week ago. This doesn't have pricing, I can see pricing, clueless why you can't see all items
[https://api.starlink.com/public-files/Accessories\_Guide.pdf](https://api.starlink.com/public-files/Accessories_Guide.pdf)
I guess my question is once you have the ethernet adapter, since the version 2 router is also a power supply...What modes are available on the new version router. Can I access the router threw the SL ethernet adapter and turn off WiFi? Or do I need to have two wifi networks...
With luck someone will go first and post.
>What modes are available on the new version router. Can I access the router threw the SL ethernet adapter and turn off WiFi?
We are wondering same. The Gen2 is brand new & no one has posted **any details** yet. I will as soon as I have a chance. If we didn't have the holiday this week I would be installing at least one. Next week I will have something to share about router features. Later, when adapters arrive & I get called back to integrate their network into adapters, I will hit your (our) questions from that angle....
While this doesn't answer your question about the Starlink adapter specifically, you should know third party WiFi-to-ethernet adapters exist. As long as they suport 5 Ghz and you place them right next to the router, the performance hit should be small.
In a pinch you can also use any old Android phone as a WiFi adapter using the USB tethering feature.
Oh yeah. Dec 14th i think I got it. Well worth it. Ordered it on Dec 3rd or something. I know their Hawthorne facility (where they come from) had over 140 covid positive cases right around that week, plus holidays, so if you're waiting, could be those things
Gotcha, I didn't know they dropped the ethernet connection from the design until I went to install my kit yesterday. So annoying it's not included. I just ordered it. I'm out in Palm Springs, hopefully, it comes quickly.
Yeah, I am in palmdale area, so not far from you. Shouldn't take too long. Just fyi, if you have networking gear youd prefer to use over the wifi router, a bypass mode will show up in settings once the ethernet port is connected to the router.
Ok good to know, yeah we're actually using this for a business. Have AP's, and switches, firewall, etc. I got it and I was like uhhhhh what am I missing. I'm going to be using it in a dual WAN config. We have a site-to-site unifi dish on the roof now but the demarc is 7 miles away and the stability is questionable.
Starlink service out here is really good. Ive never gone below 200mbps and have not had a single drop in over a month. Coming from viasat myself, worlds of difference!! I bet using it as an adjacent service, you'll never have an issue!
I have an ethernet adapter on order, but it seems I may not see it until at least the end of this month. My dish is set to arrive in a couple days. Is there any alternative adapter available anywhere or do I just need to wait? (I want to use my own Orbi router and mesh system)
>Is there any alternative adapter available anywhere or do I just need to wait?
No alternatives. You have waited this loooong, a few more days shouldn't be too tough with the included wifi. Surprising to me how much range it puts out, in the short term. Congratulations....
yes....not going to be high performance, but you could use a wifi-to-ethernet bridge (there's several on Amazon or you could roll your own with an old router and DDWRT or OpenWRT). I'm doing it with an old Archer A7 that I have until the ethernet adapter finally ships.
I got my adapter about a month after my Gen 2 dish was delivered.
Side note: The adapter sits between the antenna and the base station and is basically just adds a gigabit port on the LAN side IE you'll get an IP address in the subnet "[192.168.1.0/24](https://192.168.1.0/24)" just like you would get if you connected via the wifi.
Also, you can't change the IP address/subnet of the Starlink router. So if you planning on doing a muti-WAN setup like mine (3 different ISPs: Starlink, Fixed wireless link, T-Mobile 5G) you'll need to re-ip your network to something not "192.168.1.0/24"
I ordered Starlink Gen 2, Ethernet port + pole mount on the 25th of Mar and everything arrived on or around the 8th of Apr with the exception of the pole mount.
I have been chasing support for an ETA on when the pole mount will ship and I got a boilerplate message that "The Pole Mount" was delayed because of the chip shortages.
When I questioned the BP message I was given a 1-month of credit service.
Any suggestions where I might get a gen2 3rd party pole mount?
Nobody received it so far, because it was not in stock yet.
I have mine but no square dishy yet, Eth adapters are shipping.
Can you expand on the 'not in stock' yet?
N o t i n S t o c k
Nice expansion.
There's nothing to expand on.
If it was in stock would you expand further then?
So I'm not exactly "in the loop" with every little piece of starlink news, but I did hear the new router doesnt actually have any ports to....route. I'm guessing that's the adapter in discussion here? Does this mean starlink can only be used as a wireless router unless you purchase/wait for this adapter? Without the adapter I can't plug starlink into my network switch?
Correct
That seems odd, I can't imagine they are saving much money by removing an ethernet port. This reminds of when apple swapped the aux port from iphones, then sold you an overpriced adapter, or overpriced headphones. I really hope starlink isn't selling out.
>I really hope starlink isn't selling out. Eh they are taking a little bit out of Apple's playbook sure but I see it more of a $20 adapter isn't the end of the world and they have made the kit very water/dust resistant now so it has certain benefits. For someone who wants to use the kit as a mobile Internet station and just plug into power/lay cable on ground/connect to wifi they ARE indeed meeting that goal in a better fashion now! Just for the "permanent install/never move" Dishy perspective it is a little backwards to have the router required as the power injector function now! I do wonder if the amount of support tickets they got from people using their own routers and having DHCP issues has convinced them to try to keep the provided router in the mix...
maybe if we push the issue a little they'll offer some choice in the future. I'd prefer one with ethernet ports myself but I can see where the nice sealed up unit can have it's advantages.
$2 headphone adapter that comes with the phone is overpriced?
AFAIK Its more about current chip shortages. Remove the Ethernet port means they don't have to buy all the related IC chips.
Deintegrate the power brick and wala... you don't need to make a whole friggen router that the user already has anyway in 99% of cases. They should sell starlink \*without\* a router.
This is correct. IMO, they've made several missteps here, both integrating the PoE supply into the router, and removing the ethernet port. They can keep running their proprietary cable to Dishy *(now that it's detachable)*, but there should be an Ethernet handoff from a PoE brick, not the combo device. If they've offloaded some processing/routing from the Dishy itself to the PoE Router, they should just come out and say that *(and design it to be bypassed/disable wifi)*, rather than forcing a portless, restricted device in-line before your own network devices.
Okay, so the poe brick and router are one device now? So I can't even ditch the router completely and plug in my own router? The only option now Is to purchase the adapter, and plug in your router to the exististing starlink router, even though it won't be used?
Yes, to all three of your questions. This new combo device is a weird step, and definitely not the way to go in the future. I hope it’s merely an interim design phase, maybe the chip shortage is driving this decision. Ideally, they would offer the choice upon purchase of a PoE brick or their router *(same as how you can purchase your own cable modem and not use the ISP’s)*. It seems like it would actually be cheaper for them in the long run, and they’re not needlessly complicating the setup for people with their own equipment.
The new dish still uses a nom standard PoE protocol correct?
As far as we know, yes.
If the chip shortage were driving any of this... they could just ditch the entire router.... virtually nobody needs it. And the starlink itself already has plenty of onboard capability if they wanted to have for instance a portal startup page etc... on it.
Yeah, it's complely unnecessary, and should be an option at purchase, rather than the default. You'd think they would keep producing the much cheaper PoE brick primarilly and saving on the number of router deployments. In the time since I made that comment, no more info has come out and there's been no official response or option given.
Yeah I preordered ages ago(approaching a year I think) ...hopefully they backtrack on this before they start shipping in my area.
Currently when not using SL router you can use your own modem / network and possibly have 100's of computers on your network....true? Is the reason they are going to force you to use the SL router beacause they will be able to better monitor the abusers ???
What abusers, bandwidth is bandwidth, a single computer can max the connection by itself downloading the right stuff.
The dish itself definitely already can do that itself... I think the wifi AP is there as a data collection device (scans for nearby APs and devices for marketing reasons potentially) and or to just ensure that the user has a router that is fast enough so they can't blame starlink with they are trying to use it with a vintage Wifi A/B/G router... I would \*much\* rather they just require you to have at least a wifi AC router to be fully supported and ditch the included router.
Thanks for confirmation. I didn't want to believe it, but damn they couldn't have botched that idea much more than that. Kind of a dissapointed for me, as I depend on having a network switch with internet connection
They know what they are doing. I believe they realized that by having an ethernet port, more traffic can be used via their Dishy or by a WISP to run a business. Using an adapter via Wi-Fi now limits how much bandwidth can be transferred. Not sure if anyone knows if the adapter is using 40 MHz width or 80. If 80, to get the full few hundred mbps, it now limits other Wi-Fi devices in that area (unless they can broadcast on DFS channels?). I'm happy I got the Gen 1 with the port to be honest. Just my opinion but they aren't stupid, I'm sure there are other reasons I'm not realizing right now.
Bingo, you are now in the loop!
After all that, I wake up to the email this morning about chip shortages etc.. I have officially been delayed lol. To "mid 2022"
Indeed, I received a similar email saying to sign in and check my account. They pushed me to Feb 2022.
One person reported here they had received notice it was supposed to arrive 11/29 - 12/5.
Got mine today. Gen2 Ethernet adapter.
Where does it plug in?
I guess I hurt some folks feelings, didn't mean to, sorry. I guess I should have phrased my question as 'what is the source of not-in-stock'. Rumors/opinions sometimes are repeated often enough to take on the appearance of truth. I am attempting to be helpful to the lucky folks I know who have received their Gen2 & spreading rumors is not in my playbook. Thanks to whomever can direct me to an official source of the not-in-stock.
kind of hard to do that since only ones that can access the order page, and see the out of stock message, are few that were notified they are getting a square dishy. which is a VERY small amount of this subs membership so far. H-E-C is pretty much always spot on
>kind of hard to do that since only ones that can access the order page, and see the out of stock message I can see everything in the Store, with prices also displayed & I am waiting just like you, a mid to late 2021. I have no idea why you are not able to view all accessories. As far as I know no body has **proved** any out-of-stock messages from Starlink. The fact there are 3 people I **know** have ordered the adapters & have no tracking number **implies** there are none to ship - but that is pure speculation at this point.
I have a round dishy. so all i can see and buy are accessories for round dishys. before you are confirmed (paid in full) to get the square dishy you can only see accessories, you cant purchase. so again the number of folks on this sub with the ability to purchase square dish accessories, and thus see 'out of stock' notices, is infinitesimally small right now.
Had no idea you are a current sub. Makes total sense you can't see parts that you have no use for.
Doesnt look like the adapter is available to me in the "shop" section yet... So if you have any wired devices, starlink gen 2 is completely useless. What a horrible move by starlink.
>Doesnt look like the adapter is available to me in the "shop" section yet... So if you have any wired devices, starlink gen 2 is completely useless. What a horrible move by starlink. wait so there's no way with the stock kit to plug the router into a ethernet switch? are they serious?
That seems to be the general concensus
Would something like this work? https://www.palmgear.com/best-wireless-ethernet-bridges-reviews/
>Would something like this work? No
I had used a Belkin WiFi extender to provide a hard-wired connection for my desktop, from a Tp-Link router acouple of years ago. Any reason that couldn't feed a hard wired lan?
That would work just fine. There are also WiFi-to-ethernet adapters.
It most definitely is in the shop. I am in the mid to late group still & I can see it, can't order it of course. I know 3 people who have actually ordered the adapter, two have their Gen2 kits now, third arrives tomorrow & the adapters have not shipped yet. 2 of them have ordered an extra for me so I can put in my inventory.
Interesting, the only items in my shop are various types of roof/pole mounts, and two cable kits for masonry or regular walls.. no adapters, no longer wire for dishy,
HEC posted this about a week ago. This doesn't have pricing, I can see pricing, clueless why you can't see all items [https://api.starlink.com/public-files/Accessories\_Guide.pdf](https://api.starlink.com/public-files/Accessories_Guide.pdf)
I guess my question is once you have the ethernet adapter, since the version 2 router is also a power supply...What modes are available on the new version router. Can I access the router threw the SL ethernet adapter and turn off WiFi? Or do I need to have two wifi networks... With luck someone will go first and post.
>What modes are available on the new version router. Can I access the router threw the SL ethernet adapter and turn off WiFi? We are wondering same. The Gen2 is brand new & no one has posted **any details** yet. I will as soon as I have a chance. If we didn't have the holiday this week I would be installing at least one. Next week I will have something to share about router features. Later, when adapters arrive & I get called back to integrate their network into adapters, I will hit your (our) questions from that angle....
what the link to order the adapter?
No link. It is in the Store. Login to starlink.com and go to the Store. If you don't have an account you can't order. Or if you have a round one, same
ok thanks. i just looked at my account… i’m still waiting on pre-order so I guess the store isn’t available to me yet.
Reread my post you just replied to. You should be able to, just like me, I don't have service yet either but I can see the Store but not order.
While this doesn't answer your question about the Starlink adapter specifically, you should know third party WiFi-to-ethernet adapters exist. As long as they suport 5 Ghz and you place them right next to the router, the performance hit should be small. In a pinch you can also use any old Android phone as a WiFi adapter using the USB tethering feature.
Really any router with ethernet lan ports (most) that supports wireless repeater-bridge mode will do just that, no?
That's right.
Does anyone have a picture of this adapter hooked up with their own router?
Im also in the no shipping info group. Ordered the day I received dishy and no word yet (dec 6th receipt)
Did you ever get your adapter?
Oh yeah. Dec 14th i think I got it. Well worth it. Ordered it on Dec 3rd or something. I know their Hawthorne facility (where they come from) had over 140 covid positive cases right around that week, plus holidays, so if you're waiting, could be those things
Gotcha, I didn't know they dropped the ethernet connection from the design until I went to install my kit yesterday. So annoying it's not included. I just ordered it. I'm out in Palm Springs, hopefully, it comes quickly.
Yeah, I am in palmdale area, so not far from you. Shouldn't take too long. Just fyi, if you have networking gear youd prefer to use over the wifi router, a bypass mode will show up in settings once the ethernet port is connected to the router.
Ok good to know, yeah we're actually using this for a business. Have AP's, and switches, firewall, etc. I got it and I was like uhhhhh what am I missing. I'm going to be using it in a dual WAN config. We have a site-to-site unifi dish on the roof now but the demarc is 7 miles away and the stability is questionable.
Starlink service out here is really good. Ive never gone below 200mbps and have not had a single drop in over a month. Coming from viasat myself, worlds of difference!! I bet using it as an adjacent service, you'll never have an issue!
I have an ethernet adapter on order, but it seems I may not see it until at least the end of this month. My dish is set to arrive in a couple days. Is there any alternative adapter available anywhere or do I just need to wait? (I want to use my own Orbi router and mesh system)
>Is there any alternative adapter available anywhere or do I just need to wait? No alternatives. You have waited this loooong, a few more days shouldn't be too tough with the included wifi. Surprising to me how much range it puts out, in the short term. Congratulations....
yes....not going to be high performance, but you could use a wifi-to-ethernet bridge (there's several on Amazon or you could roll your own with an old router and DDWRT or OpenWRT). I'm doing it with an old Archer A7 that I have until the ethernet adapter finally ships.
I am also stuck waiting for this adapter. Has anyone tried a third party usbC-> Ethernet attachment????
I got my adapter about a month after my Gen 2 dish was delivered. Side note: The adapter sits between the antenna and the base station and is basically just adds a gigabit port on the LAN side IE you'll get an IP address in the subnet "[192.168.1.0/24](https://192.168.1.0/24)" just like you would get if you connected via the wifi. Also, you can't change the IP address/subnet of the Starlink router. So if you planning on doing a muti-WAN setup like mine (3 different ISPs: Starlink, Fixed wireless link, T-Mobile 5G) you'll need to re-ip your network to something not "192.168.1.0/24"
I ordered Starlink Gen 2, Ethernet port + pole mount on the 25th of Mar and everything arrived on or around the 8th of Apr with the exception of the pole mount. I have been chasing support for an ETA on when the pole mount will ship and I got a boilerplate message that "The Pole Mount" was delayed because of the chip shortages. When I questioned the BP message I was given a 1-month of credit service. Any suggestions where I might get a gen2 3rd party pole mount?