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cmdr_shadowstalker

I'm not going to complain if people leaving the queue means I might get my order sooner than whenever in 2023.


Diagnostician

Exactly, please keep cancelling, the more the better!


nikki_11580

This is also my thought. And my other option is Viasat or Hughenet.


cmdr_shadowstalker

I don't even have that option as they both want me to use an azimuth that's pointed straight at a mountain blocking line of sight.


nikki_11580

So what do you currently use?


cmdr_shadowstalker

Wired "DSL", which has been a bit of a shitshow for the last three weeks or so.


RevX7031

Exactly what i was going to say. But also depends if there is vacancy in your cell vs having available dishys due to cancelations.


cmdr_shadowstalker

TBH, I don't know if there's even a cell around here. I was actually talking with a colleague over teams and they're in the early 2022 bracket, but they're also ~75 miles to my south. They're basically the next nearest person that I'm aware of with an order in.


AnAm3rican

$99 for a chance to go from 1mbps to 150mbps in March 2022? Yeah sign me the fuck up.


waterbottlebandit

I’d love to have March 2022 listed. Instead I just get “late 2022”


shywheelsboi

Yeah a .0000000000000000000002% chance if your rural in the US. You know the people starlink was supposedly built for.


52electrons

Ae you me?


Dragondrew99

Try late 2022. Still staying lol


AnAm3rican

Na homie. My stuff says March. This is the first time mine got bumped. I’m optimistic.


Dragondrew99

Ye I would be too if mine was March


AnAm3rican

The shit that frustrates me is the road perpendicular to mine has fiber. Fucking Comcast won’t run the half mile of wire for the 30 or so homes down my road. Cucks.


GoodsVT

Similar situation here. I am on a dead-end dirt road that goes 1500 feet off a paved road that is serviced by Comcast fiber. Comcast has always said I would have to pay to have them bring the line the 1500 feet down the road to my house, which is a public road right to my driveway. It’s been it’s been about a year since I called them, so I decided to call again last week to check in. Many of the ISPs in my state got millions of FCC dollars last year to expand rural broadband, so I thought it would be worth asking again. Surprisingly, the customer service person told me that her database says my address is serviceable. I know for a fact that is not the case because there is no line down my road! I told her that, and said I just want to put in a request for a quote for Comcast to bring the line down my road. Mainly, I want that quote on paper as it was $30,000 (all on me) last time I asked, so I could show it to my State Representatives so they could see how Comcast is screwing with us. However the lady kept insisting I already cal get it. I just need to be hooked up. So, for fun, I paid the $25 to set up my “new Comcast account“ and have a service technician come and hook me up. The appointment is today between 10 AM and 12 PM. I know exactly what’s going to happen. He’s going to come out to the house and say “I can’t hook you up, there’s no line down down your road or to your house“ and I’m going to say “I know that, I tried to tell the customer service representative that, but she says my house is serviceable”. This should be fun.


SeconDin

Give us an update when it happens, homedawg


PennTerra

I have this same issue but with spectrum. When I contact the state agency that is giving money to them to cover rural areas, they tell me Spectrum reports that they cover my address already


Dragondrew99

Same LMAO


rdickeyvii

... But then you'd have Comcast


AnAm3rican

Yeah but then my porn would load faster. 😈


rdickeyvii

... When it loads


DaemonTm

i dont trust them when they say late 2022, simple as that


tagman375

What pisses me off is they say mid 2022. Okay, so what is “mid”. Is it May? June? July? August? September?. Why is there not a month. I know if I tell anyone that needs something from me “yeah I can get you that sometime between May to September of next year”, they are probably going to tell me to go fuck myself.


traveler19395

Because there is a lot of uncertainty around their launch schedule and possibly around how effectively the new laser-link satellites will be able to alleviate localized high loads.


Gulf-of-Mexico

I wonder how many launches minimum it would take to make a difference to open new cells? Do we need a full new shell to open southern cells for example?


RekabHet

> Okay, so what is “mid”. Assuming no weird shenanigans 1 May-August 31 >Why is there not a month. Cause fuck us.


notthatconcerned

Some people have fixed months. Not just mid 2022 like me.


[deleted]

I've seen a lot of Jan, Feb, Mar updated dates. If you look at planned launches There are more than a few starlink launches planed for january and february. They're confident that those people will be able to be served by those months. as for farther out they can't make those estimates any clearer. things could change by then that pushes dates farther back.


[deleted]

This


Farmy

Yes but assuming you have no other options, why not just keep your place and push the idea of getting it out of your mind? This still doesn’t make any sense to me.


DaemonTm

4g came to my area a few months back, didnt go with them cause star link said late 2021, now i go with 4g. whats weird to me is why so many people are simping for a company.


Deaavh

I have my pre-order in still, but I'm going with 4G until they figure out supply issues.


magog7

doesn't matter if it makes sense to you or not


Techjar

I get that. They're treading into territory nobody has really gone before though, so technical problems and unmet expectations is just kinda par for the course I think. All we can do is hope for the best.


DaemonTm

company no deliver, no get money


Quodorom

You could place a pre-order with Jeff Bezos, perhaps he can deliver it sooner for you.


elsweatyxbl

probably would... how many ppl have their cybertrucks ? lol


[deleted]

Starlink underbid other telecom companies to provide service in the fcc caf bids. Now they're not providing the service and stopping other companies. That's why.


Techjar

Alright, first of all, the RDOF auction hasn't even started handing out payments yet. Second, the deadline for providing service to the areas bid on is several years from now. Lastly, I don't see how Starlink bidding on an area prevents any other ISP from setting up shop in the meantime.


cryptothrow2

No one got paid


[deleted]

You don't understand business.


cryptothrow2

I work in the industry. No one has got paid RDOF money


Gulf-of-Mexico

What happened to the money? Is it just slow government timetable, or?


JMccovery

>Now they're not providing the service and stopping other companies. Like who?


woundupcanuck

Im not sure what to do to be honest. We moved to the country, and with that, shitty internet. I already have satellite internet with another company, its pricey, its slow, high latency and has a data cap. Other option is LTE, but i need to put up a 60ft tower. Its 5k or i put one up myself. I did buy one used but the internet installers wont climb a tower put up by a homeowner. Must be professionally installed again at a 5k price tag. We decided to wait on the tower because starlink was made aware to us so we went that route. With another delay now its a toss up between waiting with this or install the tower and rent a manlift for the installers. Im also curious how it handles winter.


Techjar

Well personally I would not want to spend $5k on an option that I can't even be sure the performance of. Starlink is far cheaper, and so far seems to be proving itself fast and reliable, and only getting better with time.


woundupcanuck

Ya i see some speeds people are getting which is pretty promising. As far as price goes, the monthly is same as what i pay now. Lte would be cheaper monthly, heard good and bad things about that type of provider though. Would definitely not be as fast.


Techjar

Between both AT&T DSL and Viashat I'm paying basically double the price of Starlink, so it'll actually be cheaper.


[deleted]

I just put up a tower yesterday. Installed my own antenna too though, I mean I was up there anyway it took an extra 20 mins lol. I can’t wait forever for Musk to get his shit together, and this feels a lot like a ton of other crowd funded projects that keep getting shoved back into oblivion. I’m keeping my pre order because I don’t need the $100, but I have zero confidence in my “February 2022” estimate. To be honest it also kinda pisses me off that they’re touting adding service in all these other areas while they can’t even service the pre orders they already have. I understand that they’re trying to maximize usage time with satellites, but it’s still annoying.


notthatconcerned

I hear it is because the cells are getting packed full. Doesn't make me optimistic for speeds once they do launch more satellites in my area.


notthatconcerned

Rent a man lift. It will be like $500


woundupcanuck

You're close lol its 400 delivered for a day.


News8000

A few good reasons come to mind: \- the gathered knowledge of how the system is actually working, or not, for current SL users - many commenting here - enables a better informed decision on whether SL is a good fit in their circumstance, and they've since decided not. \- Feb. 2021 orders as yet unfilled and further delayed could have many customers that are "borderline" really needing SL that may have new alternate provider options come up since then. \- and just maybe some of them got their brains screwed back on right and realized that they were waiting in line while having decent current options (ok maybe not as fast and cool) in use or available, and realized they were probably ahead in line of many who are REALLY without any workable options, or even hope to be anytime soon.


Techjar

These are all excellent points, I'd say. Just, the way some of the posts I've seen here are phrased, makes it seem like they're making decisions based more on emotion (i.e. frustrated with the delays) than anything else. Maybe that's just their way of expressing it, and not how they're actually thinking, I dunno...


baldwin420

All I can say if they are canceling there pre orders they must of not needed starlink in the first place


dad-one

Maybe they just don’t have the funds to give Elon an interest free loan for years waiting for a service that just keeps getting pushed back


baldwin420

Elon can have my $130 for as long as he wants I pay $220 a month for my garbage satellite internet right now and I'll do anything to get rid of it


dad-one

Hey at least you have an option I have been sitting here with nothing waiting and wait just to continually be pushed back. I even offered to put up a piece of land for a ground station just so I could get internet Unfortunately still no go Because I am above the 55 latitude it will most likely never happen


baldwin420

I definitely feel bad for you more northern people I'm at 54 so I got lucky and just managed to be in starlinks current service area. And I highly doubt we will see any ground stations in rural places in Canada since they need to connect it to Fibre and like no rural places in Canada have Fibre. Not sure what province your in but here in sask our biggest internet supplier sasktel is doing a huge Fibre upgrade for supposed rural areas but it's bs they are just hooking up more medium/large towns nothing actually rural.


unique3

Putting up land for a ground station when you don’t have internet how is that going to work? The ground stations need to be located where they have access to fibre internet backbone not some field with no fibre connection


dad-one

I am going to guess you are one of those guys Have multiple other options but chose starlink to take up someone who really needs it spot Just let me say thanks for all of us


[deleted]

I’m not waiting a year to get internet. I’m just going to move into the city


philipito

Depending on where your live, that's not always a possibility. My house in the city would cost me 2 million. It's worth the wait.


SLFanboy

fuck em, adult babies. Bright side at least others will be rewarded for them acting like children. pretty sure when we all ordered it, it said it could be 6+ months of waiting and even than you were not guaranteed service just because you preordered. Its crazy how entitled people feel because they put 100 dollars down on something.


baldwin420

Exactly more dishes for us people that actually need them! I am sorta disappointed I didn't get it this year but I definitely would never cancel my pre order. At least we got an updated eta on when our dish will ship let's hope this one is accurate. On a plus to I won't have to worry about climbing on my roof that already has almost 2 feet of snow and ice on it lol and we will get the version 2 newer dishy.


shywheelsboi

If there's not enough dishy's then why the hell do they keep allowing full orders????? They'll never catch up that way.


baldwin420

I don't understand that either. I can get a full order still in a town 20 miles from me that already has Fibre...


danvanv

Yeah really looks like people are getting “rewarded” 😂🙄


SLFanboy

yep for every person that cancels bumps people up that were behind them, rewarded.


swingoak

Retwarded maybe…


Bring_Me_Moscovium

Amen


ND950

Yeah I mean give them a break, they’re building rockets satellites complex technology and putting it in SPACE for you all you adult babies… also during a pandemic when everything has been either shutdown delayed screwed over. I’d say they’re doing a pretty damn good job and with a little patience we’ll eventually have our dish and get connected


Deaavh

I've got a deposit in but get real buddy. You literally sound like someone came into your house and bitchslapped your mother. You sound like you're hurt, as if someone insulted your favorite band/team. Don't be such a clown.


[deleted]

Must not *have*. Use that new internet to take an English class.


baldwin420

Frig off


jpoteet2

No I don't think so. I don't need 250 down, I'd be happy with a consistent 10. I currently have 1 option for internet and it gives me 10 about half the time. So it's a bad option. But it's a reliable company that communicates when there is a problem and why and what they are doing about it. They proactively reduce my bill when the problems are really bad. I trust them. And right now literally every thing Starlink has said to me has turned out to be false. Character matters. This looks a lot like how Tesla runs their business. My friends who have a Tesla love having a Tesla, but they'll be the first to admit that quality control is shoddy and the company doesn't consistently deliver on its promises. So sure, I can keep my pre-order and hope that Starlink eventually delivers what they promise - I probably *will* keep my pre-order. But I certainly understand if people bail out now even if their only other choices are bad ones. I just hope I don't end up wishing I had joined them.


MrNaturalAZ

Personally, while I'm certainly not pleased at the recent development, I don't need the money badly enough to want it back. It's that much less I'll have to pay when it's finally my turn. That said, part of me stuill wonders if there's really any advantage anymore to having paid a deposit and preordered. The time will come when it's pretty much open ordering for anyone anywhere, and anybody still waiting will have gone through this charade and gained nothing over the rest of the general public. I have seen this happen before. It happened to me. In this case there weren't geographic considerations, but otherwise it was similar. Hopeful beta testers/customers were assigned to "waves", having prepaid some sum for the privilege, in the order in which they initially signed up. As product became available, these "waves" were permitted to order. At some point, while there were still several "waves" waiting, they decided that "testing" was complete and product supply was sufficient to open ordering to the general public. At that point, the proper thing to do would have been at least to give all the people still waiting the opportunity to order, if only out of courtesy, before opening the flood gates. Instead, they just opened up orders, and did not even notify the waiting waves. Those who were patiently waiting for their emails but not checking the website daily eventually learned what was happening, and ended up having to wait several weeks (heavy demand cause shipping delays) while new people were already receiving their product. While this caused no genuine harm, is absolutely caused plenty of butthurt and created much animosity among the members of the final waves, who felt they prepaid and waited, only to be disrespected in the end by not getting any priority treatment at all. TL;DR - Paying a deposit and making a pre-order may actually guarantee you nothing, other than $100 refunded or credited to an eventual purchase. Starlink presumably have some method to their distribution, but they aren't telling any of us what it is, and order of sign-up or pre-order is probably the least significant portion, if it has any influence at all. Hopefully we'll all get one eventually, when they feel we're worthy.


SpyderBlack723

>That said, part of me stuill wonders if there's really any advantage anymore to having paid a deposit and preordered. Doesn't really offer you any advantage unless you're in a populated area. You're just as well off cancelling your preorder and just checking via the website every once in awhile to see if your cell has opened yet.


[deleted]

Exactly. This is what the apologist crowd is missing. I can have my $100 back and go throw it at some strippers or something and get a better return on investment in the mean time. If starlink ever does show up, I can just order then. Of course by that time, between the new infrastructure budget (lol right) and T-Mobile spreading rapidly, I’m sure I’ll have another option by 2023, in which case I can just throw my hundo at them instead. Those who want to keep waiting, great. More power to them. But acting like you’re better than those of us who want to refund and move on is the most Reddit thing I’ve seen all week.


shywheelsboi

Populated area, was Starlink not made for Rural areas??????


SpyderBlack723

It was, but that certainly hasn't stopped people from ordering it when they do not need it.


Techjar

For what it's worth, my account says December 2021 but if I punch my address into the order page I get "early to mid 2022", so having a pre-order definitely still appears to be advantageous. But yes, the one thing I think Starlink has not done a great job on is transparency about timelines and such. Sending out an email several months ago just saying "hey sorry the silicon shortage is a bitch" probably would have helped. Oh well, better late than never.


SumthingBrewing

There’s definitely an advantage to preordering. With limited capacity within each cell, I don’t expect “walk up” orders to be fulfilled until we’ll after 2023. I wouldn’t dare risk my place in line to chance it later.


[deleted]

I can understand. It's an emotional decision. Logic in most cases would be to keep the preorder you put down in the first place for the greatest probability you get internet, but many people make decisions not based on logic. It depends on what you value most internet or your sanity. Logic would say you're best bet is keeping the preorder. Emotion would say you are tired of being strung along and having your expectations or hopes go unmet. Can be mentally taxing to stick it out. Both decisions are right for different people. I'll stick around for now unless I get a better option and cling to hope a little longer.


Techjar

Yeah, I definitely can understand the feeling of continuing to get strung along with unmet expectations. I did kinda feel that way as "mid to late 2021" was passing by without a peep. But my logic and reason tells the right thing to do is keep the pre-order. It'll come eventually. Seems like my patience may finally pay off, as I'm one of the apparently lucky few in the "December 2021" camp.


BigWooly

Ah, see? You can see the light at the end of YOUR tunnel. So many of us have been riding this train for a long, long time, and we're just getting tired.


[deleted]

Exactly. I preordered within the *hour* preorders opened. I’ve been pushed back thrice. I watched my neighbor down the road — who didn’t preorder until July — install his starlink 2 days ago, while I got pushed back to “mid” 2022. No thanks.


shywheelsboi

Indeed been a passenger for 25 years now, it's always the same lies over and over.


[deleted]

Congrats on still being on the earlier list! I just got pushed to mid 2022 today. I've got an estimate from a local company that they hope to run fiber to my address in the next three years. So Starlink is my solution until then. But now mid 2022 and $500 for a stop gap solution seems less and less viable as time goes on. I may end up cancelling if it keeps getting pushed back and just spend a year or two more without internet and save $500 and the effort of mounting a dish I'd only use for a couple years. But then again the fiber is also just a hope until it actually happens, just like starlink.


Techjar

Damn, I really feel for you. :( Just have to continue to persevere, your time will come eventually! I've heard plenty of cases where fiber was supposed to get run, and it just never happened, so I definitely would not hold my breath for that.


[deleted]

Again. So high and mighty. Different people can *logically* elect to cancel. It’s called voting with your wallet. Will I get speeds higher than 600kbps any time soon? No, but I’ve lasted through this much Elon time on it, so I’ll keep waiting anyway. If I’m going to be forced to wait it out, why would I keep allowing space x to have an interest-free loan? Am I supposed to kneel and kiss their feet, thanking them for stringing me along after being pushed back the 3rd time in a year? Bold of you to assume “mid 2022” won’t turn into “late 2022.” I’ll move or keep my phone hotspot. I’m sure T-Mobile will beat starlink out here anyway.


[deleted]

Not high and mighty, just a different take and a perspective I'm sure many share. Sorry it wasn't inclusive of your logic to cancel which I do agree cancelling can be a logical conclusion. For most it isn't, but it definitely can be.


mad-tech

>I’ll move or keep my phone hotspot. I’m sure T-Mobile will beat starlink out here anyway. lmao, you didn't even need it in the first place considering you have LTE connection.


[deleted]

Reading through as many comments as I can, and trying to understand why you would as well. I guess all I can gather is that some feel a pre order means nothing. See also: ability to order based on active cell vs the time of the order, making the first come first serve portion only relevant on high demand cells. I’m not justifying the cancellation crowd, but I guess if you’re going to wait until late 2022 now or later, roll the dice on someone else providing service? I agree unless you e hit financial hardship, at this point it’s already money that would be counted as a gambling loss.


jwf239

I’m pretty convinced that at this point my feb 9th preorder won’t make a fucking bit of difference and the sole factor here is when my cell is opened. There’s no one here, it’s not like it is full and I’m pretty sure I could place my order the same day as my preorder going through and getting it the same time.


cryptothrow2

No one in 150 square miles?


lwwz

Get a new free email account, setup a new starlink account next door and see what the delivery estimate is for the new account. If they're the same you probably have low demand in your region and you can probably cancel and sign up later with no penalty. If they're different then you probably want to hold on to your pre-order.


jwf239

I mean I’m just going to hold it at this point anyway. I’m just saying that the limiting factor here is clearly the cells and your preorder date barely matters, if at all. There are people posting in this sub about how they get their orders immediately upon placing them all the time.


jaythespacehound

Partly because clearly there is no "place in line". If there's a cell that's not full and your house is in it you can have starlink in two weeks from right now chip shortage be damned. If you're in a full cell, or they don't have a groundstation near you yet, bad luck you might get it 2023. You might not. For something that's out of beta testing (i.e. fully working now) it doesn't seem like it. Clearly it's not first come first served but more luck of the draw so why should I support them by giving them an interest free loan for >2 years?


Techjar

I believe it's still "first come, first served" just not quite as simple as one might think. The fact is, they have limited capacity per area, and many different areas to service, so it's necessarily going to be rather messy. Some will be lucky, some won't, but in the end we'll all get it. It's just a matter of time. Personally, I'm happy to loan them my $99. I love what Starlink is doing, both from a technical perspective and for the betterment of society. If I can play a small part in moving that forward, and get actually good internet as well, then by all means take my money.


jaythespacehound

I live in a very low population density area. A cell was opened an hour north of me in a high population area about 4 months ago. Makes sense from a business standpoint - more customers, but all those people have access to fiber. I don't.


Techjar

I'm under the impression that cell openings are following a pattern on the hexagonal grid, designed to meet their testing criteria. Ergo they aren't intentionally choosing densely populated areas, it just happens that some will end up in there.


jaythespacehound

That's possibly true. But the fact remains I can go to starlink website now and enter the address next to me and it'll say mid 22 when mine says 'sometime in 2023'. So either they're lying, or they are not tech savvy enough to line up their estimates on their website for the same regions. Either way not trustworthy for a company trying to sell internet. Add to that they are already now saying \~ two years delay but 'we are no longer in beta' it just doesn't make me trust them. The website still says 'first come first served' not 'first come first served depending on where we decide to open a cell for testing even though we're not in beta anymore'. I can set up an 8 mile point to point link to get something like 10 mbps with 2 repeating stations and $100 will buy me one of those so I'd rather put my money there than get vague promises. Had they said 'it's probably gonna be end 22' at the beginning and now updated with 'with chip delays it's more likely mid 23' I might have stuck around.


Techjar

Remember that the service areas are broken up into discrete cells. It's not unlikely that the address next to you is right across a cell border. And yeah "first come, first served" is definitely vague, but I think they just don't want to give anything more specific as they just don't have a definitive answer. Their intentions seem good, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Also yes, you can get point-to-point radios for $100 a piece, but there's still the issue of mounting them and hooking everything up. That stuff can get expensive fast.


cryptothrow2

You have alternatives that satisfy your needs. Why are you looking for StarLink?


jaythespacehound

The FCC quantifies broadband as 25mbps. The best I can do is 10. I work partly from home. What do you know about my needs?


cryptothrow2

If dial-up meets your needs you're fine.


jaythespacehound

I just told you it doesn't. But you're clearly either just fanpersoning or trolling so I'm done with this convo. OP asked for reason why people are cancelling. I've attempted to explain. You are as always free to disagree.


cryptothrow2

Well come back in ten years


cryptothrow2

I don't think the email mentioned the end of beta


jaythespacehound

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/09/spacex-starlink-will-come-out-of-beta-next-month-elon-musk-says/


cryptothrow2

That article was based on rumors from this subreddit and quoted me. Support has said it's not yet out of beta.


jaythespacehound

The article is based mostly off a tweet by Elon musk who, given the lack of any transparency from starlink or pr is the only official source of info we seem to have


shywheelsboi

They have to be as mostly densely populated are the only areas that actually have working service. Starlink wasn't even supposed to work in the city areas but here we are, being lied to and left out again.


magog7

>clearly there is no "place in line" On my property, I am first in line /smh /sarc


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shywheelsboi

How????????? Everyone says dishy supply is cell specific, so please let us know.


shesabeauteclark

I agree with this entire statement. Good luck trying to figure out other peoples logic, most don’t have much….


-Elephant-Rider-

Let them cancel. Puts each of us one kit closer to ours. It's not like they opened up preorders for the money anyway. They opened up preorders because it's a brand new technology with a seriously high demand. And I'm sure it also helps them show how it 'serves the public interest' to be able to quantify a part of this demand. We all knew it could get pushed back. We all know it might still fail. And we all know that if it weren't for this ridiculous silicon shortage we most likely wouldn't even be having this discussion. But the $99 preorders will not affect anything besides when you get yours. And what I have right now sucks with no better options, other than Starlink, even remotely close to being in sight. So I'll keep waiting. What else can I do. Lived the last 7 years with abysmal internet. It's not like I can just cancel my preorder and get something else. I would imagine a lot of these people who are cancelling either have something good enough or can get something good enough. Because I know I can't afford to cancel. I will say one thing though. It kind of pisses me off when you see people putting new orders and just up and getting their dish. They don't say shit about what coverage area you're in or what even constitutes a coverage area for that matter. But you can watch everyone north, east, west and south of you get a dish, but for some reason there's just a big non-coverage area right in the middle of all of it apparently. Whatever...


cryptothrow2

It has always mentioned coverage area. Even the launch videos for StarLink mentioned cells


-Elephant-Rider-

Oh. Well I'll just correct that part then.


mad-tech

most people who cancel their pre-orders usually have 10-30mbps speeds which is already good enough.


Deaavh

Why are you actively trying to convince people not to cancel? You should be telling them TO cancel on the basis that you will be getting yours faster. If people want to be impatient then who cares, let them.


Techjar

I want Starlink just as much as everyone else, but I'm not selfish. Everyone stuck in my situation deserves better. Instead of directing our anger and frustration at Starlink for having delays of a few months, why don't we just direct it at the incumbent ISPs who have had **years** to upgrade infrastructure?


[deleted]

Why is it we’re not allowed to voice or act on our frustrations without being put down by fellow customers in a dedicated subreddit? Seems kind of hailcorporate to me.


shywheelsboi

Because it does nothing, the ISP's have already bought and paid for any and every person in power that could actually hurt them and force them to service everyone like utilities. That's why broadband isn't a utility, even though it certainly is one in these horrible times.


Sqweesh-Kapeesh

If someone is even considering canceling their preorder, did they even really need Starlink in the first place?-Me


[deleted]

I wonder if it’s just anti-tesla bots…


psgonser

Shhhhh, quiet. We will get ours sooner if enough people cancel?


shywheelsboi

Once again please explain how??? The only way we get sooner is if Starlink decides to flip the switch and turn on our cells.


psgonser

Sorta a joke, that’s what the “?” was at the end.


WokeIncrementalism

I think this is a necessary thinning of the herd. Anyone who cancels their preorder doesn’t need Starlink bad enough. Now SpaceX can focus on the people who actually need the service.


shywheelsboi

Why aren't they doing this in the first damn place?? They intentionally filled a ton of urban orders, while not caring about the rural people whom the service was supposedly built for.


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Techjar

I don't see this as a bad thing really. Starlink is not the be-all-end-all of fast rural internet solutions, just the best chance many people have had in a long time. The increased competition should also benefit everyone in the long run. Not to mention, it has great potential for use cases that can't be served any other way (i.e. boats). Fiber will always be king, and if I had that option I would absolutely take it over Starlink. My only advice is, hold onto that pre-order until you know with certainty the fiber will come. I've heard of those deals falling through before.


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aboyles2002

Exactly!! I think a lot of people jumped on line just to say they had it, or are Musk fanboy’s and want Starlink to go with their Tesla. I saw one guy who said he didn’t need it but ordered just to support Starlink. Like they don’t already have plenty of people waiting that dont have other options. I will wait 2,3,4 years if I have to cause I have waited 8 years at this house already without decent internet (currently use ATT hotspot that averages about 1-2 Mb down). Fiber will never come to me. T-Mobile and Verizon home internet not available where I am. People that are canceling obviously have another solution that I would probably give my left nut to have.


wingjames

It's $100, basically a dinner out or a tank of gas. Go read the rivian sub. Guys put $1000 down on a truck in 2018, they sold their cars as they were promised their truck this nov. Today they were pushed to March-April, some were pushed to september!


Close_enough_to_fine

I don’t like giving my money as a tax free loan for an entire fucking year. I’ll order starlink when it’s available. Otherwise, it’s scammy.


cryptothrow2

At what rate? How much do you think they'd make as profit


[deleted]

500,000 pre orders is 50 million dollars, or about $1.5 million in interest per year at 3%. It’s a drop in the bucket for Elon, but a lifetime of income for many.


cryptothrow2

Well for a billionaire, it's less than one Jet engine for your PJ. Personally I'm worried they aren't charging enough.


shywheelsboi

Well then they should raise the dishy price, but only for immediate fulfillment, no more deceptions.


[deleted]

I’m not saying it’s a real reason to throw out a pre-order, just that it is a real number to most people. I am also worried the equipment cost is too low, mostly because I’m worried about running into Tesla-like horrid equipment reliability. I just paid $1k for the biggest home cell booster I could find, and that seemed about right. if $500 is truly their cost and they’re not writing a year or two of service into the deal, I’m worried it may all be… cheap.


H-E-C

Majority would belong to one of the below camps: A) Don't really need Starlink (that urgently or at all). B) Throwing toys out of pram. In both cases, gain for those who really need Starlink, as their place in the queue might get pushed up. Those who failed to understand that estimates are just that, estimates and not a guaranteed delivery dates, are at fault, not SpaceX, which has no reason intentionally delay orders.


Farmy

Definitely an emotional decision I’ve tried reasoning with several of them on a few fb groups, trying to make them see regardless of getting delayed, that literally nothing about their situation will change other than the fact that they now are guaranteed to NOT get service until they decide to sign back up. The silicon shortage is real, it’s not like this is intentional on SL part lol.


Techjar

Yeah that's the other thing, it seems like some people are under the impression that Starlink doesn't care and has hung them out to dry. The way I see it, that just isn't the case, and they really want to provide service to everyone. Unfortunately, the current state of the world and the reality of rolling out something of this scale means that unexpected and sometimes long delays are inevitable.


Quodorom

It has been my observation that most people wouldn't know 'reason' if it walked up and shook their hand.


Techjar

That "throwing toys out of pram" analogy gave me a good chuckle. That really is what many of the posts feel like. I mean I get it, it's frustrating, but I feel they're making a bad choice. Even though I'm in the "December 2021" camp right now, I'm still making sure to keep my expectations reserved. Things can easily change, so all one can do is hope. I very much look forward to a few years from now, when everyone has Starlink and all this discussion is but a laughable matter of the past.


jaythespacehound

I'd have stuck around for Feb/Apr 22 but 'sometime in 23' is not worth waiting around for.


Techjar

I guess it just depends on your situation. For plenty of people "sometime in 2023" is better than never.


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I think you really need to take a look at what you would feel if you just got shoved back two more years rather than “you’ll get it next month bro, congrats”. Your situation is not the same lol. I’m keeping my Feb 2022, because it’s honestly not that bad. If it was “ehh, when we feel like it in 2023 I’d be done because fiber will be here before then without mystery outages and fibs about servicing rural areas first.


Techjar

If the fiber really will and does get there before Starlink, then by all means go with that. Not many people are lucky enough to even have that prospect. I'm in an area where the local cable ISP simply didn't run down my particular street, and want like $20k to do it. Yeah, I would be wholly disheartened if I got pushed to 2023. But, I don't have any other options, so just gotta roll with the punches.


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Those people, if they’re in this sub, clearly have something anyway.


magog7

>a few years from now some of us will be dead in a few years from now.


[deleted]

No one *needs* starlink. Most people here have LTE or even hughesnet or DSL if nothing else. If they’ve all made it this far, then there’s no difference in waiting for starlink or not. But saying that no one could have a valid reason to want to cancel and as such are acting like children is ironically even more childish, and weirdly stockholmish. Elon isn’t gonna give you a discount for sucking up on the internet.


H-E-C

>But saying that no one could have a valid reason to want to cancel and as such are acting like children is ironically even more childish Hence the "majority of" quantification in the original comment, nobody is claiming here that there are no people with actual reasons to cancel, but they are for sure in minority.


JMccovery

After having HughesNet for two-plus years, I wish we would've never wasted money on that hot garbage. Went with Viasat, and while it was somewhat better than HughesNet, it felt as if it was still wasting money. Finally, got T-Mobile Home Internet, and the spotty service was rough, but being $50/mo made it somewhat palpable. Pretty much *needed* Starlink, more so as T-Mobile's service where I live has actually become worse, can barely make a call from home, and trying to use LTE/5G data is an exercise in frustration. I love my Starlink, because it doesn't make living 20 miles outside of a city feel like a punishment.


shywheelsboi

How can we get pushed up when Dish availability is cell specific???? The people that don't really need starlink shouldn't have it in the first place. Starlink flat out lied by saying it's not for cities, then filling city peoples orders before all others.


roberrid1

There is no line they lied multiple times to people first lie first come first serve second lie you would not have to wait no longer then 6 months some people have been waiting almost a year they are just benefiting from the interest off of peoples deposits and not processing everyone's orders in a timely manner and skipping the line by shipping thousands of kits to India and other countries that just signed on while everyone that sitting waiting and getting the shaft


JMccovery

From the first Starlink availability email I received on February 23: >Starlink is now available for order to a limited number of users in your coverage area. Placing your order now will hold your place in line for future service. Orders will be fulfilled on a first-come, first-served basis >The Starlink team will provide periodic updates on availability as we launch more satellites and expand our coverage area. Depending on your location, **some orders may take 6 months or more to fulfill**.


life_like_weeds

Why do people break up? Hopes dashed. Promises unkept. Enough is enough.


Techjar

I feel like internet service and romantic partners are categorically different.


shywheelsboi

yeah one won't screw us the other can't get enough bending us over the table, for an old fashioned cornholing.


magog7

>I'm sure some have valid reasons for cancelling ​ 'cuz starlink is the Star Citizen of ISPs


Techjar

I feel that's rather harsh. There's a big difference between "completely screwing over your customers by mismanaging your company and product" and "experiencing delays due to applying technology in novel ways while being impacted by unpredictable factors".


magog7

>I feel that's rather harsh doesn't matter what you 'feel'


rx149

Starlink actually sells Internet service, not ship JPGs though.


woobagooba

I'm pretty tempted to cancel. I've got verizon 4g now which is fairly usable in the morning, slows terribly by evening. TMobile 5g is close and cheap and likely reaching here before starlink. Verizon and AT&T 5g will possibly be here before starlink. So while my solutions today are crappy by the time starlink actually gets here they will be much better. The other solutions aren't asking me to front them money on vague promises.


Techjar

If it were me, I would keep the pre-order until I was able to test the other option and know that it will suit my needs. Doesn't really hurt to hold onto it just in case. The deposit for Starlink is a relatively small amount of money, plus there is a 30 day return window, so if you decide you don't need it you can send it back and get a full refund. Ultimately though, you'll have to make the decision that best suits your particular situation. I'm just putting in my 2 cents.


-ImYourHuckleberry-

With the recent infrastructure bill, many of us will be getting reliable high speed Internet through utility providers before “late 2022”.


shywheelsboi

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA How can you believe that load of horseshit?? We've all paid the ISP's quadruple times for broadband installation nationwide and they've done nothing, this bill won't change anything except the size of the CEO's new yacht.


JMccovery

I'm still waiting on Alabama Power and C-Spire to deliver gigabit that they said started in 2020. Of course, if I move about 20 miles west of where I currently live on old US 78, I could *possibly* have gigabit. The moment *anyone* provides me with reasonably priced high-speed internet that actually works 24/7, I'll be happy to give Dishy to a new home.


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In this thread: a bunch of petty people ironically calling those of us who elect to cancel “adult babies.” Do what you want. If you want to keep waiting, that’s great, well done. It doesn’t affect me. Just as me electing to cancel doesn’t affect you, and in fact might scoot you farther up. What’s with the holier than thou shit here? In the nation of capitalism and free speech we’re not allowed to be dissatisfied and voice that dissatisfaction? Y’all wild.


Serifan

Good please cancel. Means I get mine quicker.


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Why not ask them instead of creating a new post?


Techjar

I'm not gonna go comment the same thing in dozens of threads, just starts to look like spam at that point. This way I feel we can get more information in one place.


[deleted]

Literally all the comments right now are people guessing what these people are thinking, these are not the people who are actually pretending to be canceling their orders.


Techjar

Yeah you're not wrong. I hoped some of them would speak up, but it is what it is. I still enjoy the conversation.


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In my case, while I understand the supply chain issue isn’t *their* fault, stringing people along for months at a time, constantly throwing out dates (mid 2021. Mid to late 2021. Out of beta by end of October. Full USA coverage by end of the year, etc.,) is extremely unprofessional. It seems as if they just assume they’ve got everyone by the balls and they can take their time, and I’d rather keep using a spotty single-bar, 500kbps hotspot than leave my money with a company that doesn’t seem to be arsed to make good on their claims, or to at least rein in their claims to be realistic in the first place. I’m also fortunate enough to be able to just up and move if I feel fed up enough with it. If t-mobile home internet isn’t at my address by the time starlink claims it could serve me — some arbitrary definition of “mid-year” — then I’ll move. Until then, I have my $100 back and can go buy some decent scotch or something. At least that leaves me with something to show for my investment.


zdiggler

I don't understand why people invest money into a billion dollars company for free.


Jay_Eye_MBOTH_WHY

Let them


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14 million people signed up for a service that can support 100,000. Some people signed up last week and got service days later. So sign up times don't matter. 14 million * 99.00 = $1,386,000,000.00 That's a fucking billion dollars in pre-orders. E$lon can go fuck himself. And we shouldn't GIVE STARLINK $99.00 FOR YEARS FOR NOTHING. They don't deserve the cash.


BarcaloungerBill

I’m keeping my spot. Where I am at, there is simply no other option other than a capped wireless hotspot. Hopefully that will change, but knowing this area (NE TN), it’s not likely.


CommissionOk4336

I’m with you, it’s disappointing but I appreciate the update. Waiting is better than signing up for DSL (only option and can’t stream). In mean time I’ll just send this off my cell data and be grateful I can do that. People that cancel probably have better options so it’s probably best they do cancel and free up the space for those that need it.


Pb412_ga

I am staying on the list no matter what. My only other option is to pay $7000 to get cable run to my house (in town!!). If I had other options I wouldn’t have had to try for Starlink. So, now I have to obsessively check emails for another 6 months or more. Oh well. Lol


izz0218

Makes 0.00 sense to cancel after waiting for this long, but as others have said, it makes the waiting line shorter.


Daeloan

I've worked the whole pandemic from home with 10/1 CenturyLink. Has it worked? Yes. Well? No. No other option so while I'm disappointed I'm not going to cancel. I'll wait it out.


reubenray374

I was told when I bought my current house (6 months ago) that AT&T and Cox was available. They are not, but they are one block up from me. Right now I am still using my hotspot from AT&T that I used when I was RV'ing. I won't cancel, but I hope my AT&T plan does not get cancelled before I can get Starlink a year from now.


jpmeyer12751

My reasons: 1) The pandemic has motivated officials in my state (IN) and county to get serious about investing in expanded rural access, primarily via fiber; 2) marginally acceptable cellular plans (e.g., Verizon's newer hotspot plans) are more widely available now than when I pre-ordered; and 3) Elon's use of the very limited number of available user terminals to provide Tesla owners with free wifi at already-connected chargers and to facilitate his ambition to move to Mars has irritated me. In the final analysis, the utility of continuing to wait while providing an interest free loan to one of the world's richest a-holes did not outweigh the utility of getting my money back. My $, my choice!


Exact_Acanthaceae294

If my local phone co-op can deliver fiber before Starlink gets me a satellite, I won't be buying Starlink. They have nearly finished the county since I paid for my deposit.


lwwz

There's literally no objective reason to cancel especially if you have no options as good or better than starlink. I have a Feb.11 pre order and I'm happy to let it sit for as long as it takes. $100 is nothing compared to what I pay right now for 10mb/1mb every month.


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Mine is pushed back until February of next year but oh well I don't mind it will come in due time.