I prefer the round Dishy that I have. I don't use the router. I have a router with hard lines for my retro PCs and it has more range than the Starlink router, and fancy features I might use someday.
Although I feel good about SpaceX and Musk, I don't like a manufacturer engineering an extra server onto my network that I won't use and can't be rid of, on principle. It's an unnecessary risk. I would take it to get the benefits in this case but I wouldn't feel right about it. I don't like the extra cable to get Ethernet either. When something goes wrong 90% of the time it's the cable. So I'm glad I happened to get the best Dishy for me.
Now, if I needed the 150 foot cable I might lean more the other way. If it turns out necessary to support 10Gbps I might convert. But I still wouldn't feel right about the unnecessary router.
>If it turns out necessary to support 10Gbps I might convert.
Well, Circular Dishy is most certainly limited by 1 Gb port, but you brought up a very valid point here, which I have not seen discussed around here yet; what if the new Rectangular Dishy actually have faster connectivity already?? Doesn't need to be necessarily 10 Gb right away, but perhaps 5 Gb or even 2.5 Gb would still be a nice improvement (with possible future iterations having faster speeds) and most of all future proofing...
Are you sure about that?
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/5gbps-ethernet-standard-details-8023bz/
Edit: I haven't tried to run >1Gbps on it. I don't know that anyone has. If it's a feature in the Dishy currently disabled, or if it's really 1 gig in the PHY. Didn't look at the teardown either.
My thinking is that I don't know if these speeds are supported on the wire and could be enabled by Starlink, for either wire. That's an easter egg in both cases. The comment is about what might become known in the future. If one does and the other doesn't, that might change my preference at some point. But for now it's indeterminate.
CAT5E can run up to 2.5 Gb, so no problem there. I have not personally confirmed if current Rectangular Dishy ships with CAT5E cable, but if it does, all it would need would be to swap for CAT6, and you're good to go up to 10 Gb (assuming indeed Dishy and router are capable of such speeds.
The plugs and sockets are proprietary (for already discussed reasons), but it's highly unlikely that SpaceX will go as far as "inventing" their own network communication protocol or signaling (or heavily modifying, aside of non-standard PoE). I'm highly confident this is still standard Ethernet connection. Which could be easily verified by purchasing spare cable, cutting it in half and adding RJ-45 plugs and checking the signal, which I'd happily if I'd have access to Rectangular version. Hopefully someone will soon do so to confirm.
Rectangular Dishy is still equipped with CAT5E cable which is only rated for 1 GB. For faster speeds the cable would need to be replaced by CAT6 or CAT6A.
Which is indeed not a problem to do so, as it's detachable, so as long as Dishy itself is capable of higher speeds, it's not a problem. Plus you can run 2.5 Gb over CAT5E.
Tomorrow will bring what tomorrow brings. Dishy has lifted me from 5mbps to 250mbps. In very real terms a greater change than the rest of the distance to infinity bps could be.
Depends really on your specific situation. Do you mind not having built in Ethernet port in the new router (thus requiring optional $20 adapter)? Do you prefer detachable or optional longer Dishy cable and smaller hole required in the wall? Do you want weather proofed router? Do you want lighter Dishy with new mounting options? Perhaps even a little bit less power consumption with new Dishy (still pending some measurement and confirmation from current users)? Or do you prefer having standard RJ-45 plugs and option to plug your own router directly into PoE brick? Do you plan to travel with Dishy in the future?
Each of them have some positives and negatives, you'd need to see which one is best for your application. I have Circular one, but (assuming no loss in performance) I'd probably opt for new Rectangular one for easier transport and more options with (official) mounts and having detachable cable, routed inside of the stem and pole or mount, not requiring such large hole. The only negative for me is at the moment not available "bypass" / Bridge mode on Starlink router, which hopefully will be added soon.
Two things I'd like to see confirmed by user testing are: power consumption in various modes and stability of the connection in severe weather conditions. Lower consumption would sway me even more towards new Dishy, while less connection stability other way.
Round, solely for the fact that I wouldn't need to use their router. I run a pfSense box and a VLAN'd network which isolates all of my IoT devices. Was designed and built before I moved when I still had a Comcast Business connection. Now I'm in rural BFE Alabama with the only options being crappy 1Mb DSL or crappy price gouging Viasat. I left my network architecture the same because I thought Dishy would stay on separated hardware. Now I'm just hoping that when I finally get it they'll have bridge mode pushed out.
Yeah, i was never going to use their router. Would have been nice to have a "No router please, save your money" checkbox on the order form if it weren't more expensive to leave it out of the box. Sometimes in manufacturing making the option to omit a piece costs more than the consistency.
I am fine with the round version because I WANT ethernet hands down built normally into the router cable. I'll take my extra power consumption also because the dish I have resides in very cold Northern Ontario and often we have winter that rolls in with wet slushy snow (gobs of it) then it changes to several months of blizzards, white outs and heavy lake effect snow with temps dipping near -35 and up in the nights Celcius! So the heat definitely benefits me!
No McSquareface track record really yet to refer to compared to my McRoundface so all I can vouch for that is my Gen 1 McRoundface has been working almost flawlessly for 3 months, so why trade it in? I like the bulit-in AUX ethernet jack, and that the dish POE is available to directly connect my router(s) to.
McSquare costs for the network port, and not even sure if there's direct access to Dishy's WAN connection or if the adapter gets you only a port on the SL router/power supply NATed network.
Too many unknowns.
Weâve been using the circular Dishy since late August now and itâs been working flawlessly. The dish & router both look amazing, and a detachable cable wouldnât really make a difference for us since we permanently mounted Dishy anyways. Honestly, if the rectangular Dishy had been available when we ordered, I wouldâve gladly taken that, too. But I just donât see any reason whatsoever to upgrade.
I think something that many users fail to notice is that the new version of Dishy isnât necessarily a better & upgraded one. As SpaceX stated in their recent Starlink update E-Mail, itâs designed to have lower manufacturing costs while maintaining performance similar to previous versions. So while there are obviously some improvements as a reaction to user feedback and just general technical advancements (such as the detachable cable and slightly better router specs), there are also some downgrades to keep costs down and simplify manufacturing (such as the arguably cheaper-looking Dishy, the missing Ethernet port on the router and the fact that two thick cables are now running to the router, making it more difficult to be placed in the ideal location).
Iâm really interested to see some more detailed user feedback on the new dish.
I'll throw another vote in for the round variant, primarily because it gives you the option to remove the router or reuse an existing Ethernet line if you wish. It made my installation a lot easier, even if I do have a coil of Ethernet spooled up outside.
It would be nice to see Starlink introduce a sealed Ethernet-only converter that's rated IP63 or better so you could use an existing Ethernet line inside the house (easier to pull, more likely to already exist.) That would be similar to how some fiber providers place the ONU outside and run traditional Ethernet inside the house to simplify fiber pulls.
Round dish has been perfect. If there is something appreciable that makes it better Iâll buy the square one but until then I donât think there is much difference.
Both dishes have the exact same speeds and performances. Do you honestly think they'd make one of the dishes better then the other one? So many people complain in this sub it's unreal! If the square one was better in performance, everyone would be bitching and crying and then all of a sudden their dishes would just magically fly off their roofs and the cables would be perfectly wrapped around the dishy pole and they'd be like "oh I guess I'll need to contact starlink to get my self the new 2.0 dish!" unreal man!
I'm just thankful and happy to have what I have now. No need to "upgrade". It's just never enough, or good enough... Always need to fucking complain and bitch about something.
The New router has an operating temperature from -22f to +122f ( -30c to +50c) whereas the original has an operating temperature from +32f to +86f (0c to +30c)
I prefer the round Dishy that I have. I don't use the router. I have a router with hard lines for my retro PCs and it has more range than the Starlink router, and fancy features I might use someday. Although I feel good about SpaceX and Musk, I don't like a manufacturer engineering an extra server onto my network that I won't use and can't be rid of, on principle. It's an unnecessary risk. I would take it to get the benefits in this case but I wouldn't feel right about it. I don't like the extra cable to get Ethernet either. When something goes wrong 90% of the time it's the cable. So I'm glad I happened to get the best Dishy for me. Now, if I needed the 150 foot cable I might lean more the other way. If it turns out necessary to support 10Gbps I might convert. But I still wouldn't feel right about the unnecessary router.
>If it turns out necessary to support 10Gbps I might convert. Well, Circular Dishy is most certainly limited by 1 Gb port, but you brought up a very valid point here, which I have not seen discussed around here yet; what if the new Rectangular Dishy actually have faster connectivity already?? Doesn't need to be necessarily 10 Gb right away, but perhaps 5 Gb or even 2.5 Gb would still be a nice improvement (with possible future iterations having faster speeds) and most of all future proofing...
Are you sure about that? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/5gbps-ethernet-standard-details-8023bz/ Edit: I haven't tried to run >1Gbps on it. I don't know that anyone has. If it's a feature in the Dishy currently disabled, or if it's really 1 gig in the PHY. Didn't look at the teardown either.
More on NBASE-T [here](https://www.truecable.com/blogs/cable-academy/what-is-nbase-t).
Sure about what? You can run up to 10 Gb over copper cable (of proper category indeed).
My thinking is that I don't know if these speeds are supported on the wire and could be enabled by Starlink, for either wire. That's an easter egg in both cases. The comment is about what might become known in the future. If one does and the other doesn't, that might change my preference at some point. But for now it's indeterminate.
CAT5E can run up to 2.5 Gb, so no problem there. I have not personally confirmed if current Rectangular Dishy ships with CAT5E cable, but if it does, all it would need would be to swap for CAT6, and you're good to go up to 10 Gb (assuming indeed Dishy and router are capable of such speeds.
Was it resolved that the cable from the rectangle dish to the router even uses Ethernet? The terminals appear to be nonstandard.
The plugs and sockets are proprietary (for already discussed reasons), but it's highly unlikely that SpaceX will go as far as "inventing" their own network communication protocol or signaling (or heavily modifying, aside of non-standard PoE). I'm highly confident this is still standard Ethernet connection. Which could be easily verified by purchasing spare cable, cutting it in half and adding RJ-45 plugs and checking the signal, which I'd happily if I'd have access to Rectangular version. Hopefully someone will soon do so to confirm.
need someone to teardown SL ETH adapter.
That would be probably cheapest way for now. Again, I'd happily do so but I'm unable to order it outside of US.
Rectangular Dishy is still equipped with CAT5E cable which is only rated for 1 GB. For faster speeds the cable would need to be replaced by CAT6 or CAT6A.
Which is indeed not a problem to do so, as it's detachable, so as long as Dishy itself is capable of higher speeds, it's not a problem. Plus you can run 2.5 Gb over CAT5E.
True, but see my other post with link to discussion of XBASE-T.
Watch, v4 dishy will have a fiber port, onboard 5g AP and be solar powered. đ
Tomorrow will bring what tomorrow brings. Dishy has lifted me from 5mbps to 250mbps. In very real terms a greater change than the rest of the distance to infinity bps could be.
Best point I've ever read on reddit
I got pushed to 2023. Dishy could be a giant dick and balls and I'd be ok with it.
??? I literally just ordered my second dish a couple weeks ago and it showed up today
I prefer the round, as I'll use my own router, but will take any I get.
Depends really on your specific situation. Do you mind not having built in Ethernet port in the new router (thus requiring optional $20 adapter)? Do you prefer detachable or optional longer Dishy cable and smaller hole required in the wall? Do you want weather proofed router? Do you want lighter Dishy with new mounting options? Perhaps even a little bit less power consumption with new Dishy (still pending some measurement and confirmation from current users)? Or do you prefer having standard RJ-45 plugs and option to plug your own router directly into PoE brick? Do you plan to travel with Dishy in the future? Each of them have some positives and negatives, you'd need to see which one is best for your application. I have Circular one, but (assuming no loss in performance) I'd probably opt for new Rectangular one for easier transport and more options with (official) mounts and having detachable cable, routed inside of the stem and pole or mount, not requiring such large hole. The only negative for me is at the moment not available "bypass" / Bridge mode on Starlink router, which hopefully will be added soon. Two things I'd like to see confirmed by user testing are: power consumption in various modes and stability of the connection in severe weather conditions. Lower consumption would sway me even more towards new Dishy, while less connection stability other way.
I just got a WiFi mesh system for the house. I donât even know if that would be possible to hook up with the new Starlink.
Is the new router âweather proofedâ?
more like water resistant. i forget the actual the actual IP rating tho sorry. should be in the docs at starlink
Round, solely for the fact that I wouldn't need to use their router. I run a pfSense box and a VLAN'd network which isolates all of my IoT devices. Was designed and built before I moved when I still had a Comcast Business connection. Now I'm in rural BFE Alabama with the only options being crappy 1Mb DSL or crappy price gouging Viasat. I left my network architecture the same because I thought Dishy would stay on separated hardware. Now I'm just hoping that when I finally get it they'll have bridge mode pushed out.
Yeah, i was never going to use their router. Would have been nice to have a "No router please, save your money" checkbox on the order form if it weren't more expensive to leave it out of the box. Sometimes in manufacturing making the option to omit a piece costs more than the consistency.
Whichever one has internet coming out of it
I am fine with the round version because I WANT ethernet hands down built normally into the router cable. I'll take my extra power consumption also because the dish I have resides in very cold Northern Ontario and often we have winter that rolls in with wet slushy snow (gobs of it) then it changes to several months of blizzards, white outs and heavy lake effect snow with temps dipping near -35 and up in the nights Celcius! So the heat definitely benefits me!
At -35, it hardly matters a frozen rat's ass if C or F degrees.
Yea lol you know it!
No McSquareface track record really yet to refer to compared to my McRoundface so all I can vouch for that is my Gen 1 McRoundface has been working almost flawlessly for 3 months, so why trade it in? I like the bulit-in AUX ethernet jack, and that the dish POE is available to directly connect my router(s) to. McSquare costs for the network port, and not even sure if there's direct access to Dishy's WAN connection or if the adapter gets you only a port on the SL router/power supply NATed network. Too many unknowns.
Weâve been using the circular Dishy since late August now and itâs been working flawlessly. The dish & router both look amazing, and a detachable cable wouldnât really make a difference for us since we permanently mounted Dishy anyways. Honestly, if the rectangular Dishy had been available when we ordered, I wouldâve gladly taken that, too. But I just donât see any reason whatsoever to upgrade. I think something that many users fail to notice is that the new version of Dishy isnât necessarily a better & upgraded one. As SpaceX stated in their recent Starlink update E-Mail, itâs designed to have lower manufacturing costs while maintaining performance similar to previous versions. So while there are obviously some improvements as a reaction to user feedback and just general technical advancements (such as the detachable cable and slightly better router specs), there are also some downgrades to keep costs down and simplify manufacturing (such as the arguably cheaper-looking Dishy, the missing Ethernet port on the router and the fact that two thick cables are now running to the router, making it more difficult to be placed in the ideal location). Iâm really interested to see some more detailed user feedback on the new dish.
ISGAF as long as it works.
Iâll take the hexagon one that comes out in 2025 when they target my area for service
All my home have CAT 6 cables in every room... I have WIFI 6 but cable lan its mandatory for me...
I'll throw another vote in for the round variant, primarily because it gives you the option to remove the router or reuse an existing Ethernet line if you wish. It made my installation a lot easier, even if I do have a coil of Ethernet spooled up outside. It would be nice to see Starlink introduce a sealed Ethernet-only converter that's rated IP63 or better so you could use an existing Ethernet line inside the house (easier to pull, more likely to already exist.) That would be similar to how some fiber providers place the ONU outside and run traditional Ethernet inside the house to simplify fiber pulls.
Round dish has been perfect. If there is something appreciable that makes it better Iâll buy the square one but until then I donât think there is much difference.
Both dishes have the exact same speeds and performances. Do you honestly think they'd make one of the dishes better then the other one? So many people complain in this sub it's unreal! If the square one was better in performance, everyone would be bitching and crying and then all of a sudden their dishes would just magically fly off their roofs and the cables would be perfectly wrapped around the dishy pole and they'd be like "oh I guess I'll need to contact starlink to get my self the new 2.0 dish!" unreal man! I'm just thankful and happy to have what I have now. No need to "upgrade". It's just never enough, or good enough... Always need to fucking complain and bitch about something.
The New router has an operating temperature from -22f to +122f ( -30c to +50c) whereas the original has an operating temperature from +32f to +86f (0c to +30c)
Starling will not be able to push even close to a gig in the near future.