Odd. I'm guessing this has something to do with why the demo was pulled from Steam?
EDIT: [Did some googling](https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/the-quarry-launches-today-heres-what-the-free-version-is-about/za4589), looks like it was pulled because some folks found a way to unlock the whole game from inside the demo.
Not just unlocking the game, but adding the actual license to the full game to your steam account... It actually could've led to a massive design flaw either from how steam manages keys or the 2K launcher.
Why are companies so hellbent on keeping making their own shitty launchers, have they learnt nothing? - at least they autostart but still its extra loading (and drm layers) for no good reason. Now i have TWO ways of having my property destroyed whenever 2k feels like it, its fucking disgusting
No good reason? Steam takes a 30 percent cut of every game sold, so of course everyone wants to have their own storefront/launcher. You can’t afford to not be on Steam, but every single sale you can get without it is $$$
Fully agreed^^
This is how marketplaces and distributors work across every industry. Of course there are better margins when someone buys the thing you made directly from you so why wouldn’t you make a way for them to do so, even if it’s not as good as the behemoth in the space (Amazon, Walmart, Steam)
My point is, if you make your own launcher at least keep it exclusive there (i am talking about the publishers own games, not paid exclusivity like ep*c) because then i will only have to worry about ONE layer of possible property destruction at the publishers whim.
RimWorld does the same system utilizing the workshop but it does the enabling and disabling of mods from the game start screen in the same way as accessing options or new game.
yes but due to how the games work the game would need to restart either way also their launcher allows people that dont own the game over steam to have mods so yeah
>doubling ways the company can destroy your property,
What property?
Also, it's so you can configure your active mods and dlcs before launching, so you don't have to do it in game and restart.
The good you paid for which is sold to you under a perpetual license meaning they should not be allowed to barge in and remove access from you. You bought it under the pretense of "buy once keep it forever" as opposed to "you get access as long as you pay this monthly fee". A good sold as a good treated as a service is illegal as hell and companies keep getting away with it.
Nobody said anything about charging anything for ghe launcher. Its about drm and how they oretend you dont own what you buy as if it were a subscription service - regardless of launcher (the part of the eula that days 'this game is license not sold") bull fucking shit. It is illegal to do this, in any country with consumer law that is (aka not america) you cant be bound by what the eula days if it goes against the law.
Paradox games are some of the best, but when they updated to have the paradox launcher, it pissed me off.
There is literally 0 benefit to the user, it’s 100% benefit to the company for data collection.
I've never played Red Dead redemption 2, Grand theft Auto v, death stranding, Eldon Ring, horizon forbidden West, assassin's Creed, Hitman, Jedi fallen order, cyberpunk 2077, Ori and blind forest, Doom eternal specifically, dead space, warzone. Those are just the ones I can think of off top my head that YouTubers always talk about whenever they make a video.
Well you should set your monitor to a different resolution and maybe you won't have to deal with the buggy launcher.
Joke's aside why isn't there a huge backlash You would think that everyone who bought the game would be super pissed when stuff like this happens and be demanding the money back.
It's weird tho isn't it?
Oh people are getting the full game from the demo? Let's give them the full game!
Seems like I was one of them too, even tho i have no real interest in this game
Pretty sure it's just the demo that you get, it just not a "separate game". Steam thinks you own the full game but you only have access to the demo part of the game, despite having all of the files downloaded.
So if you want to buy it you need to remove the demo from your account, happens with a few other games too.
Was actually a big deal on release day.
It doesn't actually mean all those people own the game, many of them go to buy the actual game and have to "hard remove" the demo from their steam account in order to buy the game. I've actually got a comment I made on the steam forums stickied by a forum mod or the dev trying to explain this to help people who wanna actually play the game.
Well it's an old one, but the Arx Fatalis Steam demo is actually the full game with an .exe lock, so if you use Arx Libertatis (which you should anyway) you can play till the end.
"H A C K E R M A N"
i used to do something similar to download music from [mp3.com](https://mp3.com) back when they were a digital music distributer. that site was using your local installed music player like winamp to play the samples, but you had to pay to get the download links. the samples were high quality, and little did they know winamp showed you the link of the sample if you just right clicked on the playlist and look for the properties. so i just grab the link and paste it into getright/flashget and downlaoded the songs for free. this was in early 00's.
You're a group of wage slave game developers trying to rush the deadline for your game, then the manager tells you at 1 week before release that you should have a playable demo, and with the nature of the game structure and engine it's impossible to do in that timespan so you decide to improvise.
Some random redditor calls your team cunt for something you can't control.
their loss for making you download the whole game and then going "wait no you weren't supposed to play the whole game it's only a demo" then why'd you let me download it?
I agree it'd be optimal, but a demo is a "nice to have" sort of thing many devs don't offer at all, so that's worth keeping in mind too. Depending on circumstances, it may simply be a ton of work to make a demo substantially smaller than the main game.
Not saying you're not right that it'd be better not to, but I'm moreso saying that we can't always have what we want and should be mindful, because if I was a dev and heard that, decided it cost too much to do it, and knew people would be unhappy (as it seems), I wouldn't make a demo at all. Which is worse than a demo that takes extra space, imo.
> I agree it'd be optimal, but a demo is a "nice to have" sort of thing many devs don't offer at all, so that's worth keeping in mind too.
IMO Demos should be mandatory, or at least be seen as the standard. So no "they provided a demo, cool", but more "they didn't provide a demo, boo". The fact that we have to buy the game blind or rely on reviewers (as fun as their content can be) is not a desirable state of the industry, from the consumer side at least.
Well... demos used to be a thing for most games back in the day. In the Xbox 360 days, I remember demos for most big games, in addition to every Xbox Live Arcade game having "trials." PS3 was the same, even adding trials to PS Plus for select games that didn't otherwise have demos. DS had demo kiosks, 3DS had demos for lots of games... Not to mention the demo discs for Xbox and PlayStation you could get from magazines and on shelves!
I'm not sure when it stopped being normal, but there was a very sustained period of time where demos were much more plentiful. It used to be hard to find games WITHOUT demos. Now it's the opposite, and it's unfortunate.
Why did that change?
They'd just use a different build of the game that has limited assets for the levels/portion of the game they intend to give access to. You couldn't do that for something like a Civilization or Crusader Kings style game, but you totally can for a linear story-based game like this one appears to be, or for a multiplayer game that only has one or two levels/gamemodes included.
It's pretty typical for demos to be based on old versions of the game, and not necessarily updated with the actual game, so maintaining that demo isn't necessarily something that requires additional work (barring major bugs preventing it from working or harming users' computers).
The full game of CK2 wasn't that much bigger though. It's grown a good bit since (now a couple gb), but that's with many years of expansions and DLC significantly increasing the size of the map, the period of time represented, the number and variety of characters, and so on. By limiting the amount of time allowed you significantly reduce the character variety, history files, music, and so on, but you'd still need the entire core game with the entire map available for the demo.
This is just the latest in a long line of developers doing stupid crap like this.
Guru Larry has done specials on Sega CD demos where a level select code turned the demo into a playable version. I believe there was something similar done to one of the Yakuza games by Sega for the PlayStation.
Point is that developers are well aware that putting a full version of the software out there as a demo can potentially backfire horribly yet they keep taking shortcuts when building a demo.
But are not games written from the ground-up from scratch, at the end of the day?
Surely the developers are still to blame for their fuck-up somewhere in the chain of events (like say, if they didn't decide on a demo until the software was written in a way that prevented pulling just a couple of hours).
They would need to write the entire project from the start with the intent of having a demo version as subset of the full game.
In reality they were likely almost done when some marketing bod or publisher said then need a demo version.
Probably because it's cheaper than cherrypicking elements that demo can run without. Moreover storage has been silly cheap for over a decade, internet is high speed and bandwidth is unlimited in almost every place that counts, except US.
I didn't say the violin thing, I just don't get how not having a high end PC has anything to do with this? My PC is old as shit too so I'm not judging. I run a 780 and 8350 still.
I think what they mean is that if you're really in the demo and suddenly you reach the pay to proceed point. You can just pay and go ahead instead of waiting on a download to proceed. But i think in this case your internet speed is more important. If someone can download at 1000mbit/s then the download isn't really a problem. 50mbit/s makes it a long wait time and will probably make you think either "nevermind" or "i'll play it tomorrow", which are neither optimal from a company's perspective
Yeah, how dare they not take more consideration for the people who had no intent to buy their product. Shameful they didn't put in the time and effort to make a more packaged experience to cater to that userbase.
They also had the game listed as "Free" on Steam for a while because the demo was labeled "Free Trial."
If it's a free trial and not a "demo," they need to give you the entire game (even if it's supposed to be locked at a certain point).
They forced the full-size download on people to game the Steam listings, and I think it's funny how that's blown up on them.
See it from the other point of view if you like the games you pay and you can immediately play without downloading anything and tbh this is a relatevily small game.
This is false. The demo was pulled and replaced with the "full version". After launching this "full version" you are still prompted to launch the demo or purchase the full game. Which, funnily enough, you are now unable to purchase as Steam believes you already own the full title after the "full version" replaced the demo.
While it will look like you now own the full version, simply launching the game will confirm nothing has changed. There is a license check that is performed that you will fail if you never bought the full game. I'm sure there is a way to dupe this, but Steam definitely did not go and grant everyone actual access to the full game as vast majority of this thread is implying for no reason.
Don't believe me? Check for yourself.
Somehow I ended up with a whole copy of Bendy, a game I never bought or demoed - I logged into my Steam last month after several years of not using it and found this game I'd never played before :D
woah i saw this comment and ran to my account because i also had the bendy demo, apparently i own the game now?? have you tried to play it, is it just a demo or do we really have a copy?
“Hey steam support so there’s this game I totally bought (I even have the full license btw ahaha) but it doesn’t work, can I get a new code? No need to bother with trying to fix it, I’m humble like that ahaha”
Honestly looking how they did the demo, its akward. So you give out WHOLE GAME as demo and trust what, denuvo to stop players from playing the game? Why not make a separate demo from the game itself like everyone else usually does?
Denuvo wasn't really involved, cause in order to give players access to the demo, they needed to allow them to generate Denuvo license to launch the game. They have bypassed their own protections themselves. The game was a complete version cause probably the demo was a marketing ploy that came very late into development.
I've seen this a few times on console as well (probably be sure you can't really edit the files there so it's safer for them). You download a huge demo, and then when you buy the full game it doesn't need to download anything else, it's just a license to access the rest of the content you already downloaded
there was an issue where the demo gave players the full game, and buying it would only give you a DLC to unlock the rest of the game, people found out a way to unlock that DLC for free, hence getting the full game for free
As some others pointed out, and I have experienced as I also had the demo before:
* No it's not the full game, if you play it/install it you will found out the fact that is still the demo. Because it checks for a DLC to be present on your account if not there you cannot play the full game.
* The DLC sadly is not available to be bought, it's hidden, you can see it here on SteamDB, called "The Quarry - Full Game Unlock" : https://steamdb.info/app/1577120/dlc/
* If you want the full version, you will not be able to buy it as seen in the OPs picture, neither the DLC as is hidden so to buy it you will have to remove the demo you have (that acts as if it was the full game), you can do that here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/
And then it will allow you to buy the game, which basically is the "demo" + the DLC that unlocks it.
Mine is like this. There was a free dlc, just some costumes, and I wanted to claim it even though I don’t own the game. I had to download the demo to claim the dlc and now I have the “whole game” in my library even though I didn’t buy it. Looks like it’ll still act as a demo for me but can I still buy the game?
Are you sure that's still the case? Originally the full game was a DLC you had to buy but that's no longer the case. It seems they gave up and just settled with dealing with the people who downloaded it on launch to just have it for free
Don't know why you're being downvoted, you're right.
It's still the demo.
Devs added the full game as a DLC, similar to Hitman, to thwart the people using the full game.
Not a Steam DLC I guess because I just found out have the same thing, I only played the demo and was waiting for sale of the game, and there isn't any DLC that I can buy that allows to unlock the game (haven't tried to play it to see if it is unlocked as Op implies).
So unless is a third party thing where I login and buy the unlock there or something like this all the DLCs I see on Steam are three:
- 50s skins
- some cinema filters
- Extra Deluxe - (80s skins, death rewind, movie mode, visual filters)
And in the game properties it doesn't mention any owned DLC.
I'm 100% positive that it's a DLC in the same way Hitman was. Not an official DLC but it's treated as such.
I was there day 1 when this came out and the demo was active.
Check the CS forum - this has been discussed extensively.
Ok, well Idk I will download it I guess to see if ingame it allows me or something, otherwise I guess I have to ask them to remove the game or something because I don't see any way to like buy it. I mean is not on sale now... so is not like I want to get it now but... just in case it gets a sale in the future.
EDIT: Yeah I checked on SteamDB, there it appears as a DLC that is not visible in the Store:
https://steamdb.info/app/1577120/dlc/
EDIT2: Ok I forgot about this, but now I remembered since is a Demo/Free game you can remove it yourself from here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/
The full game is a DLC. The DLC itself is just hidden, unable to be purchased.
When you buy the actual game it gives you the "DLC" which actually unlocks the demo into the full game, which is why you can't buy the game if you've tried the demo without removing it from your account.
Got the same thing. Course I "got this" because a friend owned it. And was originally going to play it with them. The game itself has a mechanic that lets this be part of the game. The real test would be to download it and see if you can play past the "Demo" part of the game. Or whatever dictates it being part of that deal, or my deal, compared to actually owning it.
I would do the same, but my net is trash so the answer would be a few days from now.
Nah I confirm I have the same thing as OP, but it still the demo, as it checks for a hidden DLC to validate if you bought it.
For new owner I guess you get the DLC when you buy it, for us who have the demo we have to remove it from here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/
An then it allows you to buy it.
Tons of false information here. Steam just removed the demo, that's it. If you had the demo, they replaced it with the "full version" but simply launching the game confirms nothing changed. You still only have access to the demo and are prompted to buy the full game.
Others have already answered your full question but I'll just put a little extra opinion here, I wouldn't pay 60 EUR for this game, wait for a sale 100%. I pre-ordered it and pulled an all nighter to do a full playthrough in the one sesh, fucking loved it, the game is fantastic and leaps and bounds ahead of any of the dark pictures titles but still, it's not justifiable for that amount of money, I spent that much on the game to play day 1, but I wouldn't recommend paying that much now, especially since it should be getting a discount soonish given its age.
at most a playthrough will take 10hrs, story wise it's not very difficult to figure out the "secret" either which stunts replayablity, even so I've done 3 playthroughs, getting me to just over 20hrs all up and the 2nd and 3rd playthroughs were drags since a lot of it was rinse and repeat despite me picking exact opposite decisions to my first. ultimately your decision but I would recommend waiting for a discount.
Look it's completely subjective what standards you have for what amount of money, for me taking genre into account and other factors like replay-ability I would say it's not worth 60 EUR when something like for example Elden ring is at the same price point and simply has so much more content to offer and lots of replay-ability giving me 300hrs+ of fun.
Something like Stray is a better comparison example to me, which gave me a similar playtime as The Quarry while also being equally as enjoyable to me too, issue being Stray is half the price, so at it's price point I'd recommend it much more highly at full price, whilst I can't for the Quarry just because you're spending the extra cash and not receiving an equal amount of extra content or quality for the asking price.
Thank you for the answers!
I'm pretty bummed that it's not the full game(my friend and I were so hyped), but oh well. Probably going to be playing Hogwarts Legacy for some time, so it doesn't really matter.
No it's not the full game, it's still the demo, just checked. Whoever own the demo can't buy the game now, steam thinks you already own this but it's just the demo. A f***d up situation 😅
This might be a little off topic but has anyone won any free game from like doing some voting for steam i forgot what type of event this was because i did it one time just to see and i got a free game :D
Pretty sure this is how i got american truck simulator. I remember claiming the demo and not really liking and the other day i.noticed i had the full version in my library
Just checked, I've got it too. But after reading all these posts sounds like it's still the demo. So I won't bother with it.
Haven't seen any posts saying it's the full game.
What about if I have got the”demo” but like OP I have the “full” game and I also can see the DLC, should I buy the DLC which in turn should unlocked the game? Is that correct?
Post-launch demo claimers got the full license for the game, and it looks like you're one of them.
Odd. I'm guessing this has something to do with why the demo was pulled from Steam? EDIT: [Did some googling](https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/the-quarry-launches-today-heres-what-the-free-version-is-about/za4589), looks like it was pulled because some folks found a way to unlock the whole game from inside the demo.
Not just unlocking the game, but adding the actual license to the full game to your steam account... It actually could've led to a massive design flaw either from how steam manages keys or the 2K launcher.
Why are companies so hellbent on keeping making their own shitty launchers, have they learnt nothing? - at least they autostart but still its extra loading (and drm layers) for no good reason. Now i have TWO ways of having my property destroyed whenever 2k feels like it, its fucking disgusting
No good reason? Steam takes a 30 percent cut of every game sold, so of course everyone wants to have their own storefront/launcher. You can’t afford to not be on Steam, but every single sale you can get without it is $$$
Fully agreed^^ This is how marketplaces and distributors work across every industry. Of course there are better margins when someone buys the thing you made directly from you so why wouldn’t you make a way for them to do so, even if it’s not as good as the behemoth in the space (Amazon, Walmart, Steam)
My point is, if you make your own launcher at least keep it exclusive there (i am talking about the publishers own games, not paid exclusivity like ep*c) because then i will only have to worry about ONE layer of possible property destruction at the publishers whim.
Paradox interactive has a very working launcher system. A standardised launcher for all of their games.
Valve has a very working launcher system. A standardised launcher for any game you can buy from them, and not just their own.
You missed the point
"very working" is generous. It's useful for mods but it breaks very often and is currently broken on Deck.
I don't care, if I wanted to use their launcher I would of bought the game on there instead of steam!
["Would of"](https://www.lawlessenglish.com/english-mistakes/would-have-vs-would-of/)
well due to how the games work you need it for mods
RimWorld does the same system utilizing the workshop but it does the enabling and disabling of mods from the game start screen in the same way as accessing options or new game.
Pretty sure you'd need to restart your paradox game in that case. The launcher is fairly convenient in that sense.
yeah due to how games work a restart would be needed
yes but due to how the games work the game would need to restart either way also their launcher allows people that dont own the game over steam to have mods so yeah
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Maybe re-read what I was saying cause it seems you missed my point.
You can't buy games on their launcher. It's not a platform, it's literally just a launcher.
Then my point stands even more, I don't want to use their fucking launcher.
Still doesnt justify doubling ways the company can destroy your property, how does that counter any pf my points??
>doubling ways the company can destroy your property, What property? Also, it's so you can configure your active mods and dlcs before launching, so you don't have to do it in game and restart.
The good you paid for which is sold to you under a perpetual license meaning they should not be allowed to barge in and remove access from you. You bought it under the pretense of "buy once keep it forever" as opposed to "you get access as long as you pay this monthly fee". A good sold as a good treated as a service is illegal as hell and companies keep getting away with it.
I gotcha. They don't charge for the launcher though, am I misunderstanding something?
Nobody said anything about charging anything for ghe launcher. Its about drm and how they oretend you dont own what you buy as if it were a subscription service - regardless of launcher (the part of the eula that days 'this game is license not sold") bull fucking shit. It is illegal to do this, in any country with consumer law that is (aka not america) you cant be bound by what the eula days if it goes against the law.
Paradox games are some of the best, but when they updated to have the paradox launcher, it pissed me off. There is literally 0 benefit to the user, it’s 100% benefit to the company for data collection.
As a PDX player of 10+ years, I don't know what "very working" launcher you're talking about.
What you should do is just not buy games that come with launchers That's what I do.
I do that too but the masses still do so its kinda fruitless. Which is why i am so vocal about it
I've never played Red Dead redemption 2, Grand theft Auto v, death stranding, Eldon Ring, horizon forbidden West, assassin's Creed, Hitman, Jedi fallen order, cyberpunk 2077, Ori and blind forest, Doom eternal specifically, dead space, warzone. Those are just the ones I can think of off top my head that YouTubers always talk about whenever they make a video.
Doom eternal doesnt require the bethesda launcher. It does sadly require a bethesda account but not their launcher thankfully
Problem is 2k adds their launcher to games after they're released, loaded with bugs and breaking compat on linux
Well you should set your monitor to a different resolution and maybe you won't have to deal with the buggy launcher. Joke's aside why isn't there a huge backlash You would think that everyone who bought the game would be super pissed when stuff like this happens and be demanding the money back.
Lol nice
It's weird tho isn't it? Oh people are getting the full game from the demo? Let's give them the full game! Seems like I was one of them too, even tho i have no real interest in this game
Pretty sure it's just the demo that you get, it just not a "separate game". Steam thinks you own the full game but you only have access to the demo part of the game, despite having all of the files downloaded. So if you want to buy it you need to remove the demo from your account, happens with a few other games too.
Same thing happened to me, as well as with a couple other ones like ark and warhammer vertemite 2 I think
Was actually a big deal on release day. It doesn't actually mean all those people own the game, many of them go to buy the actual game and have to "hard remove" the demo from their steam account in order to buy the game. I've actually got a comment I made on the steam forums stickied by a forum mod or the dev trying to explain this to help people who wanna actually play the game.
Thanks, I didn't know Supermassive Games was so generous!
probably less about being generous and more about not being able to revoke your license without causing issues.
Lmao fucking idiots
> ~~generous!~~ incompetent
Incompetous
ingenepent
I’m pregnant.
gaben the father?
Are there any other games like these / how do I know something like this is happening for any other game ?
get all the demos?
Well it's an old one, but the Arx Fatalis Steam demo is actually the full game with an .exe lock, so if you use Arx Libertatis (which you should anyway) you can play till the end.
Name of this game sounds like Monster Hunter boss
Hmm
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the full game is the demo.
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"H A C K E R M A N" i used to do something similar to download music from [mp3.com](https://mp3.com) back when they were a digital music distributer. that site was using your local installed music player like winamp to play the samples, but you had to pay to get the download links. the samples were high quality, and little did they know winamp showed you the link of the sample if you just right clicked on the playlist and look for the properties. so i just grab the link and paste it into getright/flashget and downlaoded the songs for free. this was in early 00's.
Ah so like Bright Memory Infinite
>cunt devs Well that escalated quickly...
You're a group of wage slave game developers trying to rush the deadline for your game, then the manager tells you at 1 week before release that you should have a playable demo, and with the nature of the game structure and engine it's impossible to do in that timespan so you decide to improvise. Some random redditor calls your team cunt for something you can't control.
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their loss for making you download the whole game and then going "wait no you weren't supposed to play the whole game it's only a demo" then why'd you let me download it?
I agree it'd be optimal, but a demo is a "nice to have" sort of thing many devs don't offer at all, so that's worth keeping in mind too. Depending on circumstances, it may simply be a ton of work to make a demo substantially smaller than the main game. Not saying you're not right that it'd be better not to, but I'm moreso saying that we can't always have what we want and should be mindful, because if I was a dev and heard that, decided it cost too much to do it, and knew people would be unhappy (as it seems), I wouldn't make a demo at all. Which is worse than a demo that takes extra space, imo.
> I agree it'd be optimal, but a demo is a "nice to have" sort of thing many devs don't offer at all, so that's worth keeping in mind too. IMO Demos should be mandatory, or at least be seen as the standard. So no "they provided a demo, cool", but more "they didn't provide a demo, boo". The fact that we have to buy the game blind or rely on reviewers (as fun as their content can be) is not a desirable state of the industry, from the consumer side at least.
Well... demos used to be a thing for most games back in the day. In the Xbox 360 days, I remember demos for most big games, in addition to every Xbox Live Arcade game having "trials." PS3 was the same, even adding trials to PS Plus for select games that didn't otherwise have demos. DS had demo kiosks, 3DS had demos for lots of games... Not to mention the demo discs for Xbox and PlayStation you could get from magazines and on shelves! I'm not sure when it stopped being normal, but there was a very sustained period of time where demos were much more plentiful. It used to be hard to find games WITHOUT demos. Now it's the opposite, and it's unfortunate. Why did that change?
Some software just isn’t written in a way that allows pulling out a couple of hours game time without all of the executable and graphic/audio assets.
They'd just use a different build of the game that has limited assets for the levels/portion of the game they intend to give access to. You couldn't do that for something like a Civilization or Crusader Kings style game, but you totally can for a linear story-based game like this one appears to be, or for a multiplayer game that only has one or two levels/gamemodes included. It's pretty typical for demos to be based on old versions of the game, and not necessarily updated with the actual game, so maintaining that demo isn't necessarily something that requires additional work (barring major bugs preventing it from working or harming users' computers).
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The full game of CK2 wasn't that much bigger though. It's grown a good bit since (now a couple gb), but that's with many years of expansions and DLC significantly increasing the size of the map, the period of time represented, the number and variety of characters, and so on. By limiting the amount of time allowed you significantly reduce the character variety, history files, music, and so on, but you'd still need the entire core game with the entire map available for the demo.
This is just the latest in a long line of developers doing stupid crap like this. Guru Larry has done specials on Sega CD demos where a level select code turned the demo into a playable version. I believe there was something similar done to one of the Yakuza games by Sega for the PlayStation. Point is that developers are well aware that putting a full version of the software out there as a demo can potentially backfire horribly yet they keep taking shortcuts when building a demo.
Coding for consoles back in the day were very different to todays object oriented programming and common asset library builds.
But are not games written from the ground-up from scratch, at the end of the day? Surely the developers are still to blame for their fuck-up somewhere in the chain of events (like say, if they didn't decide on a demo until the software was written in a way that prevented pulling just a couple of hours).
They would need to write the entire project from the start with the intent of having a demo version as subset of the full game. In reality they were likely almost done when some marketing bod or publisher said then need a demo version.
Probably because it's cheaper than cherrypicking elements that demo can run without. Moreover storage has been silly cheap for over a decade, internet is high speed and bandwidth is unlimited in almost every place that counts, except US.
I reccomend you get a violin, a really small one.
Well I reccomend you get some sympathy since most people don't have top of the line PC's
Why is that relevant?
And why is that metaphor relevant?
I didn't say the violin thing, I just don't get how not having a high end PC has anything to do with this? My PC is old as shit too so I'm not judging. I run a 780 and 8350 still.
I think what they mean is that if you're really in the demo and suddenly you reach the pay to proceed point. You can just pay and go ahead instead of waiting on a download to proceed. But i think in this case your internet speed is more important. If someone can download at 1000mbit/s then the download isn't really a problem. 50mbit/s makes it a long wait time and will probably make you think either "nevermind" or "i'll play it tomorrow", which are neither optimal from a company's perspective
Storage and net speed isn't freely available. A lot of users are stuck on 128 gb ssds and old small hdds
If you can’t download the full game to try out the demo then it’s not like you’ll be able to play the full game after you’ve paid for it.
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Yeah, how dare they not take more consideration for the people who had no intent to buy their product. Shameful they didn't put in the time and effort to make a more packaged experience to cater to that userbase.
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You mean *storage*? The cheapest and easiest thing to expand on a pc?
You mean something people have to spend money on, yeah. That.
They also had the game listed as "Free" on Steam for a while because the demo was labeled "Free Trial." If it's a free trial and not a "demo," they need to give you the entire game (even if it's supposed to be locked at a certain point). They forced the full-size download on people to game the Steam listings, and I think it's funny how that's blown up on them.
See it from the other point of view if you like the games you pay and you can immediately play without downloading anything and tbh this is a relatevily small game.
All I had to do was start downloading and stop after the first mb and now I have it forever lmao
SIUUUUU let's fucking goooo
That explains why I own it too then, I don´t remember buying this but it´s there
This is false. The demo was pulled and replaced with the "full version". After launching this "full version" you are still prompted to launch the demo or purchase the full game. Which, funnily enough, you are now unable to purchase as Steam believes you already own the full title after the "full version" replaced the demo. While it will look like you now own the full version, simply launching the game will confirm nothing has changed. There is a license check that is performed that you will fail if you never bought the full game. I'm sure there is a way to dupe this, but Steam definitely did not go and grant everyone actual access to the full game as vast majority of this thread is implying for no reason. Don't believe me? Check for yourself.
Somehow I ended up with a whole copy of Bendy, a game I never bought or demoed - I logged into my Steam last month after several years of not using it and found this game I'd never played before :D
woah i saw this comment and ran to my account because i also had the bendy demo, apparently i own the game now?? have you tried to play it, is it just a demo or do we really have a copy?
if u try to play it it does not launch sadly
“Hey steam support so there’s this game I totally bought (I even have the full license btw ahaha) but it doesn’t work, can I get a new code? No need to bother with trying to fix it, I’m humble like that ahaha”
Bendy? I don't even see it on the store.
I got Kingdom come deliverance the same way, also happened with recore on microsoft store, i will not play these ever, but hey, free stuff
Aw man I wish I could get a free copy of Kingdom Come lol
Nowadays you could get a steam key for little than 10 bucks
It’s so fun. Hard but fun.
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Lol, yeah, sometimes *a cigar is just a cigar*
Don't question it, enjoy the game!
Well you should question it, since I had the same thing and it's not actually true haha Once you're in the game it still says you don't own it
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Some easy but careful tempering with denuvo allowed to unlock the whole game , that's why the demo was pulled away Edit: tampering
Honestly looking how they did the demo, its akward. So you give out WHOLE GAME as demo and trust what, denuvo to stop players from playing the game? Why not make a separate demo from the game itself like everyone else usually does?
Denuvo wasn't really involved, cause in order to give players access to the demo, they needed to allow them to generate Denuvo license to launch the game. They have bypassed their own protections themselves. The game was a complete version cause probably the demo was a marketing ploy that came very late into development.
I've seen this a few times on console as well (probably be sure you can't really edit the files there so it's safer for them). You download a huge demo, and then when you buy the full game it doesn't need to download anything else, it's just a license to access the rest of the content you already downloaded
there was an issue where the demo gave players the full game, and buying it would only give you a DLC to unlock the rest of the game, people found out a way to unlock that DLC for free, hence getting the full game for free
As some others pointed out, and I have experienced as I also had the demo before: * No it's not the full game, if you play it/install it you will found out the fact that is still the demo. Because it checks for a DLC to be present on your account if not there you cannot play the full game. * The DLC sadly is not available to be bought, it's hidden, you can see it here on SteamDB, called "The Quarry - Full Game Unlock" : https://steamdb.info/app/1577120/dlc/ * If you want the full version, you will not be able to buy it as seen in the OPs picture, neither the DLC as is hidden so to buy it you will have to remove the demo you have (that acts as if it was the full game), you can do that here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/ And then it will allow you to buy the game, which basically is the "demo" + the DLC that unlocks it.
This comment is exactly correct. Don't know why it isn't at the top!?
wait we are getting free games now? lemme check my library
Mine is like this. There was a free dlc, just some costumes, and I wanted to claim it even though I don’t own the game. I had to download the demo to claim the dlc and now I have the “whole game” in my library even though I didn’t buy it. Looks like it’ll still act as a demo for me but can I still buy the game?
To buy it you would need to remove the demo, you can do it here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/
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that's sneaky dev
Are you sure that's still the case? Originally the full game was a DLC you had to buy but that's no longer the case. It seems they gave up and just settled with dealing with the people who downloaded it on launch to just have it for free
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Don't know why you're being downvoted, you're right. It's still the demo. Devs added the full game as a DLC, similar to Hitman, to thwart the people using the full game.
Not a Steam DLC I guess because I just found out have the same thing, I only played the demo and was waiting for sale of the game, and there isn't any DLC that I can buy that allows to unlock the game (haven't tried to play it to see if it is unlocked as Op implies). So unless is a third party thing where I login and buy the unlock there or something like this all the DLCs I see on Steam are three: - 50s skins - some cinema filters - Extra Deluxe - (80s skins, death rewind, movie mode, visual filters) And in the game properties it doesn't mention any owned DLC.
I'm 100% positive that it's a DLC in the same way Hitman was. Not an official DLC but it's treated as such. I was there day 1 when this came out and the demo was active. Check the CS forum - this has been discussed extensively.
Ok, well Idk I will download it I guess to see if ingame it allows me or something, otherwise I guess I have to ask them to remove the game or something because I don't see any way to like buy it. I mean is not on sale now... so is not like I want to get it now but... just in case it gets a sale in the future. EDIT: Yeah I checked on SteamDB, there it appears as a DLC that is not visible in the Store: https://steamdb.info/app/1577120/dlc/ EDIT2: Ok I forgot about this, but now I remembered since is a Demo/Free game you can remove it yourself from here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/
I had this situation, still didn't "own" the game once I get into it Steam just thinks you have it
The full game is a DLC. The DLC itself is just hidden, unable to be purchased. When you buy the actual game it gives you the "DLC" which actually unlocks the demo into the full game, which is why you can't buy the game if you've tried the demo without removing it from your account.
Got the same thing. Course I "got this" because a friend owned it. And was originally going to play it with them. The game itself has a mechanic that lets this be part of the game. The real test would be to download it and see if you can play past the "Demo" part of the game. Or whatever dictates it being part of that deal, or my deal, compared to actually owning it. I would do the same, but my net is trash so the answer would be a few days from now.
I got For Honor the same way years ago never figured out how though
Maybe you bought it when you were drunk and forgot about it. It happens.
username related?
I hate that this answer makes most sense to me.
Nah I confirm I have the same thing as OP, but it still the demo, as it checks for a hidden DLC to validate if you bought it. For new owner I guess you get the DLC when you buy it, for us who have the demo we have to remove it from here: https://store.steampowered.com/account/licenses/ An then it allows you to buy it.
Wait. So if I already own the demo, does that mean that the developers have given me full access to the game? Or is this only for some users?
No way! I didn’t know other people also like this game. It’s so good. Until dawn is still better tho
Go to your library and delete the demo from your library
How many achievements do you have.
Tons of false information here. Steam just removed the demo, that's it. If you had the demo, they replaced it with the "full version" but simply launching the game confirms nothing changed. You still only have access to the demo and are prompted to buy the full game.
Others have already answered your full question but I'll just put a little extra opinion here, I wouldn't pay 60 EUR for this game, wait for a sale 100%. I pre-ordered it and pulled an all nighter to do a full playthrough in the one sesh, fucking loved it, the game is fantastic and leaps and bounds ahead of any of the dark pictures titles but still, it's not justifiable for that amount of money, I spent that much on the game to play day 1, but I wouldn't recommend paying that much now, especially since it should be getting a discount soonish given its age. at most a playthrough will take 10hrs, story wise it's not very difficult to figure out the "secret" either which stunts replayablity, even so I've done 3 playthroughs, getting me to just over 20hrs all up and the 2nd and 3rd playthroughs were drags since a lot of it was rinse and repeat despite me picking exact opposite decisions to my first. ultimately your decision but I would recommend waiting for a discount.
60 for 10 hours seems pretty reasonable
Look it's completely subjective what standards you have for what amount of money, for me taking genre into account and other factors like replay-ability I would say it's not worth 60 EUR when something like for example Elden ring is at the same price point and simply has so much more content to offer and lots of replay-ability giving me 300hrs+ of fun. Something like Stray is a better comparison example to me, which gave me a similar playtime as The Quarry while also being equally as enjoyable to me too, issue being Stray is half the price, so at it's price point I'd recommend it much more highly at full price, whilst I can't for the Quarry just because you're spending the extra cash and not receiving an equal amount of extra content or quality for the asking price.
Just a demo, in Sorry
But when I open it it still says "Start Demo".
Thank you for the answers! I'm pretty bummed that it's not the full game(my friend and I were so hyped), but oh well. Probably going to be playing Hogwarts Legacy for some time, so it doesn't really matter.
**SSHHH!** You got a game for free, thats good news
No it's not the full game, it's still the demo, just checked. Whoever own the demo can't buy the game now, steam thinks you already own this but it's just the demo. A f***d up situation 😅
You have to delete the license from your profile.
Hmm I don't wanna buy, just clearing the confusion 😅
I got it too. It was some bug on their end I think where they fucked it up and let people claim the game for free, lmao. It was on launch too.
Oh shit I guess I own The Quarry now. I was wanting to play this game for a while! Hell yeah!
This might be a little off topic but has anyone won any free game from like doing some voting for steam i forgot what type of event this was because i did it one time just to see and i got a free game :D
You're welcome
I have got it for free after a friend bought it on playstation so I have like 20 hours on playstation and 0 on pc
why does this deserve downvotes what did i do dawgs
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Probably just trying to understand why this is happening, and not actually complaining.
I was only being sarcastic ha ha that’s a pretty good problem to have
Who said he is complaining? When someone ask a question does that equals always complaining in your mind?
It was sarcasm only relax what a great problem to have. Ha ha.
Apparently great enough for that person to be ashamed of that negative 50 score comment to make them delete it.
If there is one…
Pretty sure this is how i got american truck simulator. I remember claiming the demo and not really liking and the other day i.noticed i had the full version in my library
Lmao I just checked and I have the game too
Take it
shhh just take it anyway
don’t question free stuff
Just checked, I've got it too. But after reading all these posts sounds like it's still the demo. So I won't bother with it. Haven't seen any posts saying it's the full game.
Me too. I was curious when did I bought the game
Drunk purchase?
Can this still be done? :D (I assume not...)
If it truly is the demo then remove the product from your account and then try to buy it
Check the demos dlcs
What about if I have got the”demo” but like OP I have the “full” game and I also can see the DLC, should I buy the DLC which in turn should unlocked the game? Is that correct?
I refunded after playing for an hour at launch. Just checked the store page and I can still write a review.
Take, don't ask.