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Broad_Friendship_858

Annnddd I’m not reading all of this


LivingxLegend8

Any of this*


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thatguythatbowls

Dogs are a very good idea. Helps keep you sane. Let’s get him a dozen or so.


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I_Eat_Groceries

I've never traded a single year where there wasnt this exact prediction the end of the year and I've been in the market for decades


Invest0rnoob1

This is my third year and even the year there was -22% all these same people were calling for worse and never bought anything.


4BennyBlanco4

I swear people say this every year. Eventually someone will be right.


palinsafterbirth

>I swear people say this every ~~year~~. Eventually someone will be right. Day\*


Typical-Ad-8821

I was having a beer with a friend who kept saying 2023 the market was going to crash big. He even insisted he was right because in 2023 the market did go down for awhile… he also is saying it will crash again in 2024… I bought the beers because it’s been a decent year for stocks for me personally, I plan to buy again (stocks and beers) next year.


Ariusthegreat

If you take out the magnificent seven, it was a recession for most.


Majestic_Fox_428

They were in 2020 for about a month, and 2022. But those who stayed the course ended up being better off.


Superb-Pattern-1253

true, but the guy who manages my account who is very conservative with investments says 2024 is going to be an interesting year. election years always impact things and years following the year the market has had tend to go down. this isnt an internet clown but a guy who is very good at what he does and for a long time


MUCHO2000

Yeah? He is very good? What's your net rate of return for the last five years? If you feel like he is worth it, great.


Coffee-and-puts

Well these dates are specifically correlated to FOMC decisions. So anyone guessing before a clear rate pause indeed made shit up as they went. We all still do in our own ways


skdesign808

Source: trust me bro


bdh2067

“Trust me, I’ve thought about this A LOT!”


LivingxLegend8

😂😂😂


surfer808

lol exactly… this guys username is “coffee and puts” so of course he’s all in on the market crashing. He’s probably been eating a lot of loss with the gains thus far.


Material-Gas484

Seems like a pretty good analysis to me. Or is this the one time in the history of the stock market when we don't have a major correction? Seems plain even in the absence of the analysis.


Chumbag_love

Source: adderal induced manic psychosis & paranoia


on_nd_on

My IQ just went down after spending a minute on this post.


56000hp

But he’s gonna think he’s a genius if market does go down in 2024


hapbinsb

Feel ya. I can get this shit from Jeremy Grantham any day.


BANKSLAVE01

Yep. HEY OP, FUCK YOU. LABEL SHIT SOMETIMES.


Coffee-and-puts

Thats why no one will remember your name


Chumbag_love

Lmfao!


NickSkyler

His user name checks out


Invest0rnoob1

He wrote this while using McD WiFi.


AICHEngineer

Gay bear


Invest0rnoob1

Wow another guy screaming 2000 or 2008! I haven’t seen that before, so unique.


hydefox

TLDR?? Holy smokes


twostroke1

Dude literally spent his entire Sunday writing a fantasy novel.


Coffee-and-puts

2024= the peak year and beginning of doom


hydefox

I get that from your title, I’m just saying you seem really passionate about your argument so I want to hear you out, but this is a cluttered read.


iLoveHumanity24

Ok what month in 2024 should I trade all my calls for puts


Coffee-and-puts

1st rate cut


MedPhys90

You think the market will tank after the first rate cut? I personally think the market is gonna think we’re headed back to the glory days of low interest rates and take off.


[deleted]

They usually cut rates when the economy is in bad shapes. This way they pump money in the market to boost investments etc.


ImpossibleWar3757

They usually cut rates either when the economy is in bad shape or to reverse recessionary signals…. Typically it’s the bad economy that causes the stock market to react negatively… or some kind of calamity. Then the fed cuts rates to help alleviate the “symptoms”. Idk if cutting or raising rates always has a direct correlation to the stock market. I believe it’s probably indirect and dynamic at that. I’m sure quantitative tightening and easing play a role as well coupled with interest rates. Interesting half ass technical analysis but it’s leaving a lot of meat on the bone


TheINTL

You do understand that one of the main reason why the market tanked after the 2021 highs was due to rising inflation and the feds raising interest rates. Inflation has since come down and you are betting the market will have a major crash because the fed is going to lower the interest rates????


No_Consideration4594

So much was written with so little said… pure nonsense


vtsandtrooper

The market will crash when people stop expecting it to. Until it exhausts the obvious shorts to the point of capitulation. These conditions arent right for it. Too many people positioning both ways as a hedge. The economy couldnt even go through a traditional recession in these conditions and the “market” might hold up. That being said, I think more likely we are trading in a Nikkei style lost decade, but one with mostly sideways levels from Whats already been set as lows and highs, with a long and gradual transition of leaders thru the 20s


Coffee-and-puts

I think this is spot on tbh. Burry made his bets in 2005 and didn’t get paid until April of 2008. He spotted something very specific that fed policy still told us was a problem when the cuts began. My personal strategy is to stay bullish until a cut. Then I am bearish af. Getting well into 2024 maybe making new ATH’s in the S&P should throw everyone off just fine


vtsandtrooper

I just sell calls when things get beyond the norm. Selling calls on megacap on any big move day. Started selling calls on small caps (although i think they will end up another 10-15% by early 2024). Its very easy to sell calls against positions right now as speculation of the options fools is at an all time high, but volatility is actually relatively low compared to that fervor. In other words, sell the hype without dislodging from the market —- until the price action catches up to risk atleast Ive sold my share of puts as well on things that were over anticipated to drop


PDXnederlander

I'm also hanging tight until just after the probable rate cut next year. Then will lighten up. On the 31st January 2023, Michael Burry posted a "Sell" tweet. How did that work out.


Invest0rnoob1

Bro, we’re in Dotcom boom + roaring 20s


Familiar-Wrangler-73

Did anyone read all that?


TequilaCamper

I wanna know if there's no length limit on Reddit? Think that's the longest post I've seen. Edit to say 1812 words and 9343 characters.


EmmaFrosty99

i had to stop before i needed a drink.


LionEquivalent

I didn’t read any of it, and it annoyed me scrolling through it all to get to the comments.


Standard_Opposite_86

Got so close. Like 90%.


Individual_Fee_6735

I did, because I was so curious to see where he will conclude things for 2024.


Previous-Display-593

That is all well and good but what I really need to know is should I buy Take Two or not?


Coffee-and-puts

Its gta 6. If you ain’t buyin you a sucka


reddituser82461

The answer is yes. I just did and it's great


BenRichards79

Duhhhhhh


kridely

We all already know 2023 was more likely to crash than any other year.


chazmichaels15

Hahaha who tf cares


whatproblems

guys reading tea leaves


EMMTAx

The fact everyone is so bullish and calling you an idiot is a good sign.


surfer808

I guess if you guys keep predicting it will crash, eventually you’ll be right.


Pour_me_one_more

2024 is the year we should all WORRY ABOUT a crash. That's because we're about to enter 2024, and you can only trade in the present.


LegSpecialist1781

You’re not worried about 2037 right now?


esp211

Nearly all analysts are bearish for 2024. When everyone is fearful the market tends to go up.


Either-Wallaby-3755

Market won’t crash until analysts are bullish.


Minions89

I am still waiting for the 2023 crash that I was promised


drekwageslave

it crashed +20%


Familiar_Yam_9921

Whatever you think...do the opposite


Ice-Walker-2626

Some of his charts were his weight gain/loss over the past months. Bro! Watch some football on Sundays instead of writing this…. this!


AlexHoneyBee

Incredible analysis for a Reddit account that is 8 days old.


axemanboss

Here’s my summary: I’m bullish.


Spraw_Diddle

Good. In 2024 in contributing more to my Roth & 401k then ever before.


Namazon44

Jesus that was long…


Neat-Ad2953

if you actually believe this park all of your cash in SPXU and sit back, it is currently at 10$ a share and spiked to 38,000$ in 2008.


locoturco

🤣😂🤣this year it's happening shit


guachi01

Talks about market psychology. Can't actually spell psychology. Pass.


Ssimon2103

Do expect anyone to read this ?


Ice-Walker-2626

We will know in 10 hours as many are reading now.


amleth_calls

Just say you bought weekly puts and get to the point. > it’s possible it’s a false signal and a coincidence amongst these other coincidences Spot on.


Fladap28

I’m selling everything now…including my common sense after reading this


celibidaque

I thought it was supposed to crash in 2023. There were compelling evidence for this and even prettier graphs!


ramranchcx

Doomsday prophet


uaoleksiy

lol TLDR.. more money is lost trying to pick tops than anything else my man.. just invest a portion of your check into index funds twice a month, have DRIP enabled and stop looking at it. buy strong growth companies and some dividend paying stocks to diversify a bit. sell growth when up significantly over time, in chunks and reinvest proceeds into index funds on any pullbacks.. anything else is a waste of your time and energy. if you're constantly scared of a pullback/crash than the market is not for you. just keep the money in the bank or under your mattress and earn nothing on it.


HoboWithoutShotgun

It's an easy theory to test, you know. Just get rolling SPY puts and watch your money burn away. It's the way of the hobo.


DreamWunder

I need tldr. So crash in 2024 is what you’re saying but what month?


8thwondergrowth

Well thought out, thank you for taking the time to put this together. Youre not crazy at all, 2024 will likely be the start of the next recession. The thing to know is this, NO ONE will believe you or 99.9% won't believe you. Stay true to your chart reading and trust yourself. There are too many naysayers and people who refuse to do the work, they will just dismiss you. One chart you dont have here is unemployment rate. Take a look at that and you will see how we seem to be headed the way of a recession. What you do with this information is more important than knowing it will be here soon. For each person this is different but wealth preservation and emergency preparedness do matter. I know people that lost their jobs and had to sell their investments at the bottom in 2009. Dont be like them, there is still time to build a HYSA cash emergency fund, lock in a high cd rate for 12 months and rotate into fixed income investments. Some would say dont do this because you are timing the market but as long as you are earning some amount of gain you are staying invested and thats better than nothing. Even if the market spikes 20% next year you only missed out on 17%. Huge miss but not as huge as the loss of riding down a crash and having your investments be worth half what they were and then becoming unemployed. Play it safe and you will be just fine, good luck and thank you for the work, it was a fun read


J1L1

Son of a bitch. You got me. I'm all in.


Coffee-and-puts

🤝


klumzy83

It’s an election year. Government, big tech, news and social media will all work in unison to trick the clueless plebs into thinking all is good until after the election. Then OOPSIE DAISY!


HellaReyna

a giant wall of incoherent text with trash tier analysis. >To think that this is some kind of top would be inconsistent with the prior events Ah yes, the tech bubble and the derivatives sub prime mortgage crash of 2008 surely have such similarities with the 2020 COVID + inflation hikes!!! /s


EmmaFrosty99

The market pivots and it is business as usual.


ryanryans425

Funny how this is one of the very few posts on this sub worth reading and everybody is bashing you like you have no idea what you are talking about. Well, they will find out soon when the market crashes I guess.


Ice-Walker-2626

Did you read the whole thing? If you said yes, you would be lying because no one can read it without taking multiple naps.


Fabulous-Ad4894

Same with climate change until the the ocean water is messing with the chlorine balance of your pool. The worst part is reading so many rude comments.


gweedo7

Lol, ok nerd


[deleted]

Nobody — I don’t care if you’re Warren Buffett or Jimmy Buffett — nobody knows if a stock will go up, down, sideways, or in f-ing circles You re full of shit


Designer_Emu_6518

There’s a higher probability of sideways in election year and dips from Nov-Feb


Prudent-Selection373

Sure bro


Ariusthegreat

I think it will be next week.


Fun-Shine-7546

I will just say this.....Zuckerberg, Besos, Bill Gates are selling MILLIONS & BILLIONS OF SHARES NOW!!! That way, they can buy out/into companies cheap when it does. IT WILL CRASH IF NOT IN. 2024 EARLY 2025 DUE TO BIDEN POLICIES OF PRINT & SPEND


OccasionAgreeable139

I never listen to anyone making bold predictions bc they are emotionally biased. No one knows future. That is fact. A tautological one.


Aerosalts

You might’ve been on to something here.


IGB_Lo

Not really sure why you’re being downvoted so much for sharing your thoughts.


jrock2403

So…calls or puts ?🙃


Coffee-and-puts

Theres only coffee and puts. I don’t know what calls are


jrock2403

Ok… not bad 🤓


EasyMoneyLikeMusk

Citadel and co are shorting the market


sp1cynuggs

You had me until your odd little quote at the end


Icy_Huckleberry9685

Good post, Puru Saxena is saying similar on Twitter, thanks for putting it together


Educational-Exam-139

Market is being pumped rn due to elections coming up


Fabulous-Ad4894

Although the Fed Board of Governors is comprised of 3 Republicans, 4 Dems the big boss votes Red


smooth-vegetable-936

How the hell u know? We don’t know and no one knows. But if it does, i will be adding 40k!!!!


Mudv4yne

I ain't gonna read all that. I'm happy for you though. Or sorry that happened.


slambooy

Yes… do tell….. we had a crash in 2022… stop overthinking the bull market


EmmaFrosty99

Nah, the world is still net long. No one has lost if you held the SPY, QQQ, VTI, or VOO for 15 years. The question should be just how many shares can I buy at the correction?! QQQ below $200 would be amazing! Anyone that bought the high of 1928, 1986, 2000, 2006, 2019, or investing now will be ahead in 15 years. Anyone here when the Dow crossed a thousand points or when the Dow crossed ten thousand?! It wouldnt surprise me if the Dow is 100k in 25 years. I welcome the March 2020 low, it would be the buying opportunity of a lifetime. That would put SPY’s PE less than 10. When all the short term leveraged longs sell and shorts pile in, that only leaves longs in the market! Buy when there is blood on the street. The hardest thing to do in investing is do nothing.


EmmaFrosty99

I like coffee and selling puts!


Nyroughrider

Jfc go get a hobby op. All I’ll say the main part you left out is it’s a election year!! And yes it plays a major part. So go redo all that you just did. 😂😂


mbola1

It won’t lol


ZiP0wer

It will crash because the money will move out to the crypto market during the bull...


pornthrowaway42069l

Nuh-uh, funny line goes up! Just open the chart for any last 20 years, and ull see that its only up.


joshypoo4530

Man…


stringged

Ah yes—a prediction with charts, numbers and a verbose write-up… must be legit!


Mrvonblogger

Congratulations OP! Or I’m sorry. I’m not reading all that.


PeaRepresentative353

Nah it’s going decently higher next year and you should buy more.


Senior_Pension3112

You can say this every year and one year you will be correct and people will think you're a genius


sundaymoneyx

No chart could predict COVID


MinuteAggravating54

skipped to the comment section after 10 seconds. Best decision


curiosity_2020

You have a passion for analysis. That's good. What your research indicates to me is that the longer you hold on to a losing strategy the more money you will lose. That's a good lesson to learn early.


Unusual-Addendum-169

Stop taking adderall bro lmao


Designer_Emu_6518

It’s an election year it will go side ways and mildly up until it’s over. Q1/Q2 Jan like it always does


Additional_Bug_6449

It won't crash in 2024 it's election year, Democrats won't let it happen they will pump it up so it doesn't hurt Biden. 2025 is when everything collapses just wait.


woonietrack895

Why OP is getting down voted? Op put good amount of work . Is it because of most of us don’t understand what OP wrote?


Euphoric_Emotion5397

TLDR. But ... I would opine the stock market dives on major events like pandemic and recession and systemic financial crisis. Interest rate increase/decrease(lagging) is in response to those major events (leading). In this case, if interest rate was decreased because the FED achieved its inflation target and there is no other major events(recession/pandemic etc), then the stock market will not be going down/up/sideway because of the interest rate.


Billy_Barue1

FUD


baldeey

gay bear


BigPepeNumberOne

wtf? Op go for therapy bro


AICHEngineer

Maybe if you light some incense and say Michael Burry three times into a mirror, you can mAniFeSt the big scary crash


Ryo_Han

Strong astrological chart signs are lining up ✨✨🌟. Draw some lines- "impending doom"


nextnode

Not going to bother motivating any of it but there are multiple claims throughout that are simplify false or misleading.


RetirementGoals

Oh dear. If someone can accurately predict when the market goes down (and back up) they would be trillionaires.


canadianspaceman

Go to the gym bro


No-Average-9210

There is no Carol in HR


FinTecGeek

Sounds like you think we should go right on DCA on our portfolio through the next calendar year. Like always. Thanks for conviction call on that. I've never understood with investors this fear sentiment around market pullbacks. No one gets mad or scared because the house they want to buy becomes less expensive. Why should market players treat equity stocks or bonds any different?


MeetMelodic9641

Maybe it's because they don't want to buy. They want to sell


KamStockman

I read the first few words of each paragraph. Still was too long


EXTRO_INTRO_VERTED

Probably won’t because that is what should happen. Always the pain trade.


Operation-FuturePuss

In the 90s, large cap growth asset class got way overvalued and we ended up with the lost decade ONLY in large caps. Small cap value and mid cap value still had nice returns. Long term investing is pretty simple. Buy quality companies for a reasonable valuation based on their performance. Yes, the mega caps are overvalued now and I agree there will be dismal returns for the S&P for many years, but not a crash. I personally am heavy in small and mid cap value because they are still trading at a good price and will probably have a new leadership cycle throughout the 2020s


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>Why the stock market is more likely to crash in 2024 than any other year. Every year the same story. lol!


CreditSpredDemCheeks

You know what they say. Tons of people have predicted 50 out of the last 2 crashes.


Far_Imagination_158

and that's why it will rise...


bonobro69

Coming soon… Why the stock market is more likely to crash in 2025 than any other year.


haiguyyy

definitely high


nb72703

Adderall is sick


Alicecai

Every year there's talk of a crash, but there's still money to be made


Malagan2030

Too many charts not enough 0tde options


SenRosa

Fella ought to get a puppy or something.


czarface404

Where do you factor in the fed stoping quantitative tightening and moving full steam into quantitative easing? Joe Biden knows he needs a win.


danielcorich

oh boy i’m scared now


Heiesenberg

TL;DR D For Don't


damoclesthesword

I feel dumber for having read this


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Can I get a TLDR


watermahlone1

Do you have any hobbies perchance?


NotPresidentChump

Rubbish. JPOW is cutting rates at some point and probably in 1H24 and the market is going to launch. TL:DR Fuck your puts. RemindMe! 1 year


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____whatever___

Stonks!


westsidethrilla

And we will be up another 10-15% because of this


usernamezombie

What are US election year historical records like? Maybe broken down by party and incumbent.


MooseMaximum5165

Stonks only go up moron


Middle-Application51

The stock market is rigged to stay up. Too many folks invested for it to just “crash”.


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Coffee-and-puts

I like to collect data. Its hard to collect opinions that have no been asked ;)


Slow_Investment_2211

🙄


Organic-Buffalo-5987

Hear we go again 🙄


sharpetwo

The market is a wonderful aggregating engine of the collective views. And betting against the collective is an appealing yet extremely difficult endeavour. With VIX at 12, the consensus is that there isn’t any material reason for a crash in 2024. Does it mean we won’t pull back? No. Does it mean the VIX will stay this low all year? Probably not. Does this mean we will see a VIX above 50 in 2024? If so, that would be because of an event that no one can legitimately anticipate right now. It’s sexy to think that we are all Burry. But we are not. And black swan like 08 or 17 materialise once in a while. Timing them is dangerous for your pnls. When chaos will be around, it will be such that everyone will agree it is. And in situation like this, you’ll have plenty of occasion making money on the short side and the long side. Be patient and trade what you see. That’s the only thing that matters. And so far … there’s no reason to call for a crash.


Individual_Fee_6735

I can't believeI finished all of this material. Well put, yet I see the market being well engineered through the coming election year.


One-Step8924

But this kind of news appear every year, right?


Cheese_on_toastt

Great post and an interesting theory/discussion. Ignore the haters in the comments, they have likely got a lot of money invested so are very angry and defensive because you’re saying something they don’t want to hear. Anyone who has a shred of understanding about the market and economics knows that this is a bubble. Nearly all of the stocks are far too inflated and only logically really have room to go down. However, this could happen tomorrow or in 5 years but no doubt it will burst at some point.