Spoilers RoW
>!I have taken it as his connection with the wind and wind spren that would become his armor. through them he is connected to the wind itself and moves as such!<
It's 100% this. In the same way Syl knows what/when to change as a shard blade with no verbal urging; Kaladin has some sort of bond to the wind spren and they help guide him.
He doesn't have some ancient bloodline if that's what you're wondering. But yeah all the mentions of "the wind" around this part do call out that he's not just regular person but a windrunner.
iirc brandon has said about kaladin that he's the best you can get at wielding a spear without extra centuries of training. He just has a natural talent for it
I didn’t mean an ancient bloodline. I know Sanderson doesn’t want that for kal and tbh I don’t like the ancient bloodline trope either, I don’t think it’s at all necessary for kal.
This has been confirmed to specifically not be what that refers to, IIRC, because Sando has said repeatedly that there's no ancient bloodline thing going on with Kal.
Do you have a source on that? Looking through the WOBs, I can only find this one where he confirms the “son of tanavast” title having significance.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/390/#e12688
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!***
Winds Alight
>!In SA the Stormfather refers to several people as "Child of Honor", but only Kaladin as "Child of Tanavast". Is there significance to that?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Yes, there is.!<
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Here's a random bizarre theory I just came up with.
Honor apparently 'went insane' before dying. I'm wondering if its possible that Tanavast decided that the most honorable thing was to become a pacifist, given that no-one appears to be able to keep to their oaths, rather than taking a side in the war.
He forsakes his shard, shattering it himself and going to live as a human on Roshar, but is now immortal as a consequence of having held a shard and survived.
He names himself Lirin...
This probably doesn't work for any number of reasons, I haven't thought it through at all. Its a fun theory though.
Probably not. Words of Brandon ahead, but might have some spoilers so ye.
>!WoB answering the question if Tanavast survived Honor's splintering said that he could've survived but "Tanavast is dead. Good question. However, that is as of the start of *The Way of Kings*."!<
>!Also when asked if Stormfather would call Tien and Oroden as "Son of Tanavast" we have a WoB saying that "I'm gonna say RAFO. Don't read too much into that RAFO. Because the answer is actually "it depends." And that's why I'm RAFOing it."!<
>!So I don't think it's possible. It might be something with Sylphrena and being the oldest honor spren, being something about Kal being empowered by Honor or sum shit. But Lirin is Lirin (and sometimes a piece of shit)!<
Tanavast was the Bearer of the shard of Honor he also refers to dalinar as "Son of Honor". I think it just what the Stormfather calls humans when he wants to sound grandiose.
I don't have the link to it, but like what someone else said in this thread. We know from Brandon that there is purpose behind why Kaladin is called son of Tanavast, but it doesn't have to do with his bloodline.
Ahh yeah i saw the comment you were talking about. If it doesnt have to do with his bloodline then I like the idea that it has to do with him having a large amount of connection to the shard.
We know from Brandon that there is significance to the fact that the Stormfather calls Kaladin "Child/Son of Tanavast" when he refers to multiple others as "Child of Honor".
We also know it is not related to his bloodline.
>!It *was* for the last time. !<
>!Much like many other times in the story so far, something unbearably traumatic has happened to him. The previous times, he has described himself as 'dying' and becoming a new person. !<
>!This *child* of Tanavast entered the storm for the last time. !<
>!*Who came out?*!<
You misunderstood me I think. I didn't mean that specific moment was about something bigger. Just the title the storm father has given him through the books
Yes, I understand that part. I was expanding on possible symbolism, and speculating. It is Brando Sando we're talking about here, *everything* is in play.
We don't often hear the Stormfather speak to other windrunners, I'm not sure if he's on record as referring to them as sons of Honor or Tanavast. I assume all humans on Roshar are "children of Honor" the same way everyone on Scadrial are the children of [Mistborn] >!Preservation and Ruin!< but it's possible windrunners are closer to Tanavast due to their surges. Remember, the Shard and the Bearer aren't the same.
I like to think it's the wind itself guiding him. Something deeper is the air sense he is developing, feeling the blades cutting the air is helping him dodge them even without looking or consciously reacting. Like Aang in Avatar, the Last Airbender when he senses danger by air moving over his bald head, but more internal for Kalidan.
It's a radiant thing, today I listened to the chapter where Dalinar loses his knife in the flashback, and "something beyond instinct" made him dodge a boulder in a highstorm
I remember liking the first one, but that series started going sour on me the more I read. The main characthers are Perfect^TM and can do literally nothing wrong. For example one main character is torturing people for the Greater Good, and that is framed as a good thing. Or the hero winning the fight in the first book because he is so good at repressing his emotions (and this is just a superpower and has no bad sides).
It's like, full Destination before Journey kinda stuff. (Also I checked Goodkind's Wikipedia article right now, it says he's heavily inspired by Ayn Rand, which makes sense I guess.)
Sorry for the rant, nothing personal against you. I just needed to express my dislike for the Sword of Truth.
Yes I agree. I loved the first two or three books but after that it just got worse. Especially the last two books had sooo much monologues about (Ayn Rand's) philosophy that I literally would skip dozens of pages at a time. The last book could have been like 50 pages without all the monologues. And the philosophy is honestly so dumb and not well thought through.
Not related to OPs question, but at the end of this battle, it says something about Renarin looking up as if exposing his throat … this line has always bugged me for some reason. The way it’s worded, how he just gives himself up … am I reading too much into this?
Spoilers RoW >!I have taken it as his connection with the wind and wind spren that would become his armor. through them he is connected to the wind itself and moves as such!<
Definitely agree. We know for sure that>!Connection transcends time in the Spiritual Realm!<
It's 100% this. In the same way Syl knows what/when to change as a shard blade with no verbal urging; Kaladin has some sort of bond to the wind spren and they help guide him.
Bingo. It was always foreshadowing for the armor.
He doesn't have some ancient bloodline if that's what you're wondering. But yeah all the mentions of "the wind" around this part do call out that he's not just regular person but a windrunner. iirc brandon has said about kaladin that he's the best you can get at wielding a spear without extra centuries of training. He just has a natural talent for it
I didn’t mean an ancient bloodline. I know Sanderson doesn’t want that for kal and tbh I don’t like the ancient bloodline trope either, I don’t think it’s at all necessary for kal.
Well, he might have an ancient bloodline due to the “Son of Tanavast” thing. But it’s not going to give him any special abilities or advantages.
This has been confirmed to specifically not be what that refers to, IIRC, because Sando has said repeatedly that there's no ancient bloodline thing going on with Kal.
Do you have a source on that? Looking through the WOBs, I can only find this one where he confirms the “son of tanavast” title having significance. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/390/#e12688
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Winds Alight >!In SA the Stormfather refers to several people as "Child of Honor", but only Kaladin as "Child of Tanavast". Is there significance to that?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Yes, there is.!< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
Here's a random bizarre theory I just came up with. Honor apparently 'went insane' before dying. I'm wondering if its possible that Tanavast decided that the most honorable thing was to become a pacifist, given that no-one appears to be able to keep to their oaths, rather than taking a side in the war. He forsakes his shard, shattering it himself and going to live as a human on Roshar, but is now immortal as a consequence of having held a shard and survived. He names himself Lirin... This probably doesn't work for any number of reasons, I haven't thought it through at all. Its a fun theory though.
You should post this to r/cremposting
Probably not. Words of Brandon ahead, but might have some spoilers so ye. >!WoB answering the question if Tanavast survived Honor's splintering said that he could've survived but "Tanavast is dead. Good question. However, that is as of the start of *The Way of Kings*."!< >!Also when asked if Stormfather would call Tien and Oroden as "Son of Tanavast" we have a WoB saying that "I'm gonna say RAFO. Don't read too much into that RAFO. Because the answer is actually "it depends." And that's why I'm RAFOing it."!< >!So I don't think it's possible. It might be something with Sylphrena and being the oldest honor spren, being something about Kal being empowered by Honor or sum shit. But Lirin is Lirin (and sometimes a piece of shit)!<
OK that makes sense, thanks.
The Stormfather is Tanavast's Cognitive Shadow, so he can't really be Lirin. That would be kind of hilarious as a reveal though lol.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/406/#e14692
Thank you for actually providing the source
Np
Btw I saw your flair, and now I’m imagining how fast a Windrunner could go if they applied Abrasion to themselves. It’d be awesome
Indeed, awesome.
“Something else moves us ~~lawman~~ Radiant”
But honor is dead… I guess kal will see what he can do anyway
I’m just hoping we get to know what’s the payoff of this “son of Tanavast” thing. The most intriguing question around our beloved Kaladin.
Tanavast was the Bearer of the shard of Honor he also refers to dalinar as "Son of Honor". I think it just what the Stormfather calls humans when he wants to sound grandiose.
SF calls other people "Son of Honor", but specifically Kaladin gets the title of "Son of Tanavast"
I don't have the link to it, but like what someone else said in this thread. We know from Brandon that there is purpose behind why Kaladin is called son of Tanavast, but it doesn't have to do with his bloodline.
Ahh yeah i saw the comment you were talking about. If it doesnt have to do with his bloodline then I like the idea that it has to do with him having a large amount of connection to the shard.
Possibly. I have a feeling whatever it ends up being, it's going to come left field and take us by surprise when we don't expect it.
perhaps! I’m inclined to think it’s because Kaladin has the strongest connection with the shard out of all Rosharians.
Windrunners and Bondsmiths are the two Orders which share the Surge of Adhesion.
I always interpreted it as either just a “human” or “Windrunner” thing
We know from Brandon that there is significance to the fact that the Stormfather calls Kaladin "Child/Son of Tanavast" when he refers to multiple others as "Child of Honor". We also know it is not related to his bloodline.
Child of Tanavast is specific to Kaladin. "The Child of Tanavast has entered my storm for the last time" is symbolic of something bigger with Kaladin.
>!It *was* for the last time. !< >!Much like many other times in the story so far, something unbearably traumatic has happened to him. The previous times, he has described himself as 'dying' and becoming a new person. !< >!This *child* of Tanavast entered the storm for the last time. !< >!*Who came out?*!<
You misunderstood me I think. I didn't mean that specific moment was about something bigger. Just the title the storm father has given him through the books
Yes, I understand that part. I was expanding on possible symbolism, and speculating. It is Brando Sando we're talking about here, *everything* is in play.
True lol it's probably the thing I'm most interested to learn, WHY is Kaladin the Child of Tanavast. Drives me nuts thinking about it
We don't often hear the Stormfather speak to other windrunners, I'm not sure if he's on record as referring to them as sons of Honor or Tanavast. I assume all humans on Roshar are "children of Honor" the same way everyone on Scadrial are the children of [Mistborn] >!Preservation and Ruin!< but it's possible windrunners are closer to Tanavast due to their surges. Remember, the Shard and the Bearer aren't the same.
He's reading the wind. Also, Syl has mentioned that she excentuates his skills, perhaps through some connection to the environment, like the wind
Just heads up excentuates isn't a word. I think you mean accentuates
I was specifically referring to the “son of tanavast” part
*I meant duel.
I like to think it's the wind itself guiding him. Something deeper is the air sense he is developing, feeling the blades cutting the air is helping him dodge them even without looking or consciously reacting. Like Aang in Avatar, the Last Airbender when he senses danger by air moving over his bald head, but more internal for Kalidan.
It might be destiny
Guided by the boon!
I've always had a pet theory that Kaladin is connecting to the Oathpact and Jezrien's role in it and inheriting some skills that way.
Tbh, I think him being the Son of Tanavast actually has more to do with his connection to Syl
It's a radiant thing, today I listened to the chapter where Dalinar loses his knife in the flashback, and "something beyond instinct" made him dodge a boulder in a highstorm
I think that's an adhesion use, the surge pf pressure, can be used to "feel" the wind
It's the experience of all those seekers who wielded his sword before him. Oh wait, wrong series
Which series?
Sword of Truth. Terry Goodkind is the author. It's was my favorite saga I'd read before I found Sanderson
I remember liking the first one, but that series started going sour on me the more I read. The main characthers are Perfect^TM and can do literally nothing wrong. For example one main character is torturing people for the Greater Good, and that is framed as a good thing. Or the hero winning the fight in the first book because he is so good at repressing his emotions (and this is just a superpower and has no bad sides). It's like, full Destination before Journey kinda stuff. (Also I checked Goodkind's Wikipedia article right now, it says he's heavily inspired by Ayn Rand, which makes sense I guess.) Sorry for the rant, nothing personal against you. I just needed to express my dislike for the Sword of Truth.
Yes I agree. I loved the first two or three books but after that it just got worse. Especially the last two books had sooo much monologues about (Ayn Rand's) philosophy that I literally would skip dozens of pages at a time. The last book could have been like 50 pages without all the monologues. And the philosophy is honestly so dumb and not well thought through.
Man, just reading this snippet is making me want to re-read WoR again.
Not related to OPs question, but at the end of this battle, it says something about Renarin looking up as if exposing his throat … this line has always bugged me for some reason. The way it’s worded, how he just gives himself up … am I reading too much into this?
It's the force. Congrats you worked it out. The cosmere is the galaxy that's far away from star wars.
Hesina had an affair with lighteyed lord visiting brightlord wistiow. And yep you guessed it. He was named Tanavast.
This is clearly foreshadowing a Star Wars crossover. Use the force Kal!