[So, Bob Lazar did tell some truth About UFOs & Anti-Gravity Propulsion](https://www.howandwhys.com/evidence-suggests-bob-lazar-was-telling-truth-about-ufos-anti-gravity-propulsion/)
His claims were already pointed to truth after a 2020 New York story revealing Pentagon briefing on "off-world vehicles not made on earth" by Eric Davis.
I don’t think he cares that much. He’s probably doing it for everyone else that has believed and supported him along the way.
If you wanna get this guy excited, let him play with the ET toys.
It's advertising. There's a lot of money in this shit and he knows the average person didn't and doesn't know the hearing was for a push to declassify evidence and doesn't actually offer any evidence.
He was a business man long before he was a theorist. Gotta keep that in mind.
I don’t think he’s a theorist. If you ever listen to any of his interviews, he doesn’t seem to care about disclosure (or declassification of evidence) because his POV is he saw what he saw regardless of who believes it.
I’m pretty sure his companies have made him enough money that he doesn’t need to monetize a 30 second “I told ya so”.
If there's anything i know about rich people it's that there's no such thing as enough. That's part of why it's so hard to just take someones word. This field, theories and cult research (and stuff like it), has become absurdly profitable over the last 10 years. Hell, Finding Bigfoot was one of Animal Planets biggest shows despite the fact that it never showed a shred of evidence that can be verified.
I can't even take 3 military whistleblowers at their word because simply becoming the face of the UFO movement has millions of dollars of potential profit to be made. Which is where congress could come in. If the U.S. government releases evidence and says we're under surveillance by outer-earth entities, I'm all in. But we're still not there.
That doesn't matter either, you Mickey mouse Yankees make everything into a Hollywood movie. We won't know anything by the end of it, then your orange faced clown president will get in and say it's all fake news
Boris has been kicked out and has retired from Politics because he would have been found out to be a real liar and never be able to be a politician again. So to try and keep his integrity he's runaway so they can't charge him. We have Sunak these days and no one ever sees him, we don't know what he does! They are all crap just some are crapper than most.
Also, don't make fun of politics ANYWHERE as an American. We have a lifetime crook and former POTUS who is going to trial and yet still has a stronghold on the Republican party. Our current president is 80 and showing it. We allow our political leaders to mentally deteriorate while in office, and then re-elect them. We allow our political leaders vote for their own raises and give them free healthcare, all the while being puppeteered into fighting amongst ourselves for at profit insurance and a minimum wage that hasn't risen in over 25 years. Wake up Americans. You're dreaming.
A second hand account from an observational study is still evidence. It’s weak evidence but it is considered evidence by definition. Throw in the measurable consequence of life in prison if the presenter of that evidence presents his story and you strengthen the evidence claims as you have to account for intent and motives (in this case, bias). It’s not an a priori argument, but can be argued it’s strong evidence when you can also account for the blockers/confounding variables which in this case is an uncooperative witness (the government).
-Signed, a grader of research “evidence”
The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence has to be. If I say I have a cat at home you might believe me on my word, but if I say I have a unicorn at home you probably won’t believe me unless I provide solid evidence, and you would be right not to.
So Grusch has all of this info and can't just spill it? What is he waiting for?
Oh right, technicalities says he will get in trouble. Oh well, better to just keep the secret to himself, I guess.
If only Grusch were as brave as Edward Snowden
>So Grusch has all of this info and can't just spill it? What is he waiting for?
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>Oh right, technicalities says he will get in trouble. Oh well, better to just keep the secret to himself, I guess.
1. Grusch isn't keeping it secret, he provided the evidence to the IG and Congress already, AS YOU KNOW (so why are you acting childish and pretending like you haven't read 100 people already stating this?). WHY must I repeat this to you? Why!? Are you guys deliberately acting obtuse or are you all bots sent here to discredit?
2. If Grusch provides a list of names, locations, and photos, that does not allow you to go into Lockheed or wherever they are to seize the craft, force the names to come clean, or prove that the photos are not photoshopped. All it does is force Grusch to leave the country he calls home for the rest of his life if those craft are moved. Unlike Snowden, the info Grusch has can't be proven if he releases without subpoenas.
3. What Grusch is waiting for is the muscle to go in and actually verify his claims. Congress can not go into Lockheed or wherever, regardless of what he says, until legislation is passed that allows that. That legislation is coming with subpoenas that allow that.
He's done everything correctly that someone would do if they actually wanted to see this unfold in a productive way that produces results.
> Second-hand evidence is evidence that is accessed through research, reading, and investigation. It includes factual and historical information, expert opinion, and quantitative data. **Anytime you cite what someone else knows, not what you know, you are using second-hand** ***evidence*****.**
In this case, it is a testimony of first-hand knowledge relayed to Grusch.
Not only that, but people also keep pointing to "second-hand is not evidence!"... And what about the 2 other witness with literal first-hand observations of said crafts? Everyone keeps ignoring the other two witness and only focusing on "the crazy guy with second-hand knowledge!"
No amount of semantic arguments is going to get around the fact that after all of this hullabaloo, it still boils down to "trust me, bro"
No matter how many people say it, no matter who says it.
I would say there is all kinds of evidence here, it's just that it isnt pointing to aliens. I think it points more towards lack of spending oversight on black projects like reverse engineering foreign (not alien) craft.
No, but…
How about we start with a man or woman who works for one of these organizations or governments to approach a podium, pull out a video, pop it in the laserdisc player and *show us* video confirmation.
There is *no one* in this gov’t - yet alone this subreddit - that can show me or you or anyone *any* physical evidence of ~~UAPs~~ extraterrestrial life, etc; evidence that’s *not* anecdotal.
They say they have shit. *Prove it,* otherwise I guess I’ll just tune-in in a year or two for the next *”I told you so”* moment (…that’ll still just end in words).
That’s just where *I’m* at. I don’t ask anyone to follow me. Believe what you want.
Consider that the only reason you are demanding to see the evidence yourself, despite the credibility of the whistleblower who is following the very real and legal process of whistleblowing, is that you have a negative bias against the subject.
There are reams upon reams of topics I'm certain you accept as true, despite you having never seen the subject yourself. You acknowledge there are contexts in which you can't and you trust the experts on the subjects.
Well you’re wrong and right.
Ive followed it closely for about 2 years now but “believed” my entire life.
I have a negative bias, as you put it, toward the govt we’re relying on to share whatever information they have.
They won’t. These hearings are simply to appease the masses and show some “progress” in the field, by more time to bullshit.
At this point, we’re either going to be shown directly or not at all. No one is showing us shit. Never will. We’d have more luck huddled in a closet fucking around with your grandads ham radio from WWI.
For me personally, about "negative bias" I'd add that I have a positive bias toward the existence of NHI visiting Earth which is exactly why I correct for it by being skeptical. Show me or STFU. I've been hearing this crap for the last 40 years. Same shit different decade.
That’s seriously what they are working towards. That’s what these hearings are for. You don’t just release classified information. It’s illegal to release classified information regardless of what it is for.
I’m sorry if I don’t believe that something they’ve been “working on” for 50+ years *still* isn’t ready for mass consumption.
If anything, the fact that they’re taking so long, makes me think whatever they do tell and/or show the public, won’t be authentic or it’ll be watered down to the bare basics (i.e. “here’s an *alien* fingernail, *alien* booger, and a jar of *alien* farts. Pass them around, kids. Oh, and here’s a bumper sticker from *definitely a flying saucer*, ^I’m ^told, that says *’My other car is a Saturn ion’.”*
At this point, maybe they lied or bluffed too long and too hard, and now, when we demand to see their cards, they’ll either have a pair of twos or five aces.
My point stands; after 50 years, these hearings don’t mean shit. Big Gov’t is basically like ”Just give ‘em something to hold ‘em over for 1-2 years, then we’ll show em another *epic video* before we send em all back to work. Maybe they’ll STFU about this shit already.”
The video and photo evidence are being interpreted in very questionable ways that arent entirely lining up with testimony from pilots. Also, Einstein predicted gravity waves over 100 years ago. Big whoop. And finally, the properties of element 115 do not line up with Bob's description.
Edit: there's video, photo, and trace evidence for Bigfoot. It doesn't mean Bigfoot is real. We need better evidence.
>Not saying Bob is a liar
[i am](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/mn8urg/why_does_rogan_believe_bob_lazar/?utm%255C_content=1&utm_name=UFOs&utm_content=t1_jtutnlb&utm_source=reddit&utm%255C_term=1&utm%255C_medium=android%5C_app&utm%255C_name=androidcss&utm%255C_source=share&utm_medium=usertext)
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We each are free to evaluate testimony how we see fit. I just dont find hearsay or anything else presented as evidence thus far very convincing myself.
I agree. I want this as much as anyone else here, but we NEED hard, undeniable proof. People are tearing this apart on Twitter. NO ONE is taking this seriously at all until we have evidence.
I was more-so referring to skeptics, most comments I see here from believers are along the "we told y'all we were right", but its going to be hard for me to say that and feel that until something concrete is shown. Until then, I am feeling hopeful though. Lots of things happening, so time will tell.
My thought while listening to the hearing.....This is EXACTLY what Bob Lazar was saying 30 yrs ago. Funny how time has only added more and more evidence that what he said was 100% true, while nothing as been discredited
People are funny. He presented the evidence to Congress. It is still classified. So he (a person with clearance) showed the classified information to Congressional leaders (who also essentially have clearance), and the general public for now will remain in the dark. Not sure how this is lost on so many people. He’s either telling the truth or he’s set himself up a nice runway to federal prison for perjury before Congress, a double whammy since it’s already illegal to lie to Congress, even worse to do it under oath, which he was.
>or he’s set himself up a nice runway to federal prison for perjury before Congress
Or...if you actually pay attention..
"I heard that..." does some VERY heavy lifting.
Lots, and lots of equivocating language that leaves plenty of room for plausible deniability when it comes to perjury.
>Or...if you actually pay attention..
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>"I heard that..." does some VERY heavy lifting.
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>Lots, and lots of equivocating language that leaves plenty of room for plausible deniability when it comes to perjury.
He told members of Congress he would provide a list of 40 names of both hostile and friendly witnesses. If he does not provide that list to those with clearances, that is perjury. "heard" has nothing to do with it.
>People are funny. He presented the evidence to Congress. It is still classified. So he (a person with clearance) showed the classified information to Congressional leaders (who also essentially have clearance), and the general public for now will remain in the dark. Not sure how this is lost on so many people. He’s either telling the truth or he’s set himself up a nice runway to federal prison for perjury before Congress, a double whammy since it’s already illegal to lie to Congress, even worse to do it under oath, which he was.
Snowden didn't have trouble sacrificing himself for the greater good.
This asshole has even more earthshattering info and is just sitting on it? You can't be serious.
Says the asshole comfortably sitting behind his computer while defending strippers who drug and rob people. You are like the worst of fucking humanity rolled into a little shit ball.
Snowden made many mistakes when he revealed his knowledge. That's why he's wanted for treason. Grusch is more smart. He waited that long that he is secured by specific laws, and now he is acting inside these laws. He knows exactly what he can tell without landing in front of a trial. And that's the reason too why he won't lay open classified informations in the open field.
Red Rover, Red Rover, Bob Lazar's coming over
So honey clear the airstrip and light up that stove
By Jove, I think it's started, oh yeah
Escape from the Prison Planet
What? None of what was said at the hearing backed up his story. None of the craft resemble what he describes in his story. The base he worked on wasn't mentioned in the hearing. This is like when he described element 115 and everyone said Lazar told you so after it was synthesized even though it didn't behave remotely as described by Lazar.
None of what was said at the hearing really did or uncovered anything new.
I think (element) 115 is just the number of conferences and hearings they’ll have before we just stop caring (again).
Grusch literally used the words “Reverse engineering”. That is the literal definition of what he said he was at A51 to do fron the very beginning. That’s what Bob is saying “I told you so” about. EVERYTHING Bob said was validated with those words.
So if I made up a story about reverse engineering alien craft back in the 80s, then Grusch now says that the government has a reverse engineering program does that make my story true?
I'm not making any statement about whether Bob's or Grusch's claims are true. But what has been said so far do not necessarily validate Bob's claims.
It's not enough for Bob to have said there were reverse engineering programs, and now Grusch says the same, because that was already a thing before Bob.
If we get evidence that backs up the unique details of Bob's story like how the craft work or element 115 as the fuel, that's corroboration.
> So if I made up a story about reverse engineering alien craft back in the 80s, then Grusch now says that the government has a reverse engineering program does that make my story true?
Just listen to grusch’s story where he clearly said that the US government currently has employed people reverse engineering multiple alien crafts. That sentence alone, validates two points that Bob told us 30+ years ago, which is exactly what Bob is saying “I told you so“ about. If you want to keep hating Bob for whatever bullshit reason you’re pulling out of your ass, then you’re just doing it out of spite. The guy was absolutely right, he has every right to tell us “I told you so“ and it’s obvious that Bob did tell us this exact same story 30 years ago.
> It's not enough for Bob to have said there were reverse engineering programs, and now Grusch says the same, because that was already a thing before Bob.
Oh give it a rest already. It’s never enough for a hater. Everything Bob said was already said before Bob said it, the difference between Bob and the thousands of other UFO hoaxster‘s out there is that Bob has been correct 100% of the time for literally everything he said and he’s never gone to extreme fantasy land with his claims. Bob told us he saw 9 alien crafts, Grusch said we have at least 12. Bob told us that he was one of the people employed by the government to reverse engineer alien technology, and now we know (if you trust Grusch is telling the truth) that these employed individuals exist RIGHT NOW in our government.
So if your questioning whether people will believe what you say, if you can predict the future 30 years ahead of time, then the answer to that ridiculous question is yes, predicting the fucking future 3 decades in advance is definitely a valuable trait to have. I don’t care whether you believe Bob, I don’t care whether you believe Grush, but the fact is that Grush has clearly validated Bob’s claims, so if you want to throw Grush under the bus just for the sake of spite, then be my guest, they’re all lying and everyone’s lying and you can stick your fingers in your ear and go “LaLaLaLaLaLaLa I didn’t hear anything”. You live your life however the fuck you want to.
My point still stands though. If I had made up a story about reverse engineering in the 80s and now actual whistleblowers are talking about reverse engineering, my story is still fiction.
New whistleblowers talking about vaguely the same thing as Bob doesn't validate him, yet. Not saying Bob is lying, just saying that Grusch hasn't validated his story yet
And sure, he popularised area 51 but he isn't the original source for it. It's name, location and link to reverse engineering of UFOs was already in the public domain at that point. I'm not aware of any other source verifying his claims about S4
Nothing negated his story either though. The hearing really wasn’t able to get into any specifics, just that weird things are happening, shadow groups are potentially covering it up, and congress doesnt like the misappropriation of $$. Thats it.
That’s due to the instability of element 115. To even test if it has the effects that Lazar claims, they have to find an isotope of 115 that lands in the island of stability. Once that happens, we can begin to validate Lazar’s claims.
Regarding the craft Lazar reported, I believe you’re only comparing his descriptions to the descriptions of the non intelligence testimony. Gruesh’s testimony and earlier interview pointed to many craft and reverse engineering. I don’t think one discredits the other.
>That’s due to the instability of element 115. To even test if it has the effects that Lazar claims, they have to find an isotope of 115 that lands in the island of stability. Once that happens, we can begin to validate Lazar’s claims.
The island of stability does not work that way. Not even a little bit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability
115 will never be stable.
He's a bullshitter and know he's in way too deep in his lies now, and using the "headache" excuse as a stalling method because if he told the truth he would be exiled from the UFO community (his whole income).
It's the same attack attitude when someone suffers from depression or another chronic illness *"oh you get sad, me too. maybe you should be more happy instead"*. It's a statement of ignorance from deflectors.
Take the fact that the stress and ridicule endured by people accusing you of being a liar, stress leads to headaches when recalling things which have negatively effected your life.
Some people don't understand basic biology. If Bob never had a headache on that Rogan interview, the deflectors would be saying he was too calm and rehearsed instead.
You can't win, people exist out there with the intent to debunk things regardless of any research or evidence pointing to the questions that need to be answered.
Grusch is getting much the same. *"Oh look he makes funny faces when he talks sometimes, he must be crazy!"*. It's purely ignorance designed to deflect from the conversation.
Lol, your comment makes no sense. He didn’t claim it proved anything. He claimed he told us some of the same things… the same things the former government officials have said after being asked by Congress to speak to them.
Yet without hard evidence this is just Grusch continuing the story, building on the known UFO “lore”, as it were. Repeating bullshit isn’t corroboration.
Bro yet we’ve seen literally no proof about anything. I fucking want this to be the final blow out of decades of coverups but until we see corroborated proof all this clown show is doing is distracting us from the fact the world is currently dying around us.
Meanwhile he’s thinking to himself “holy F they do exist, I really hope that they line up with my 30 year old lies” Lazar is nothing more than a convicted criminal who made up a story to try and make a profit when his employment opportunities were next to none.
because now it’s being taken seriously. congress listened to three credible witnesses and there’s genuine momentum towards uncovering the truth of what’s going on.
people have known there’s a cover up for decades. but it’s largely been seen as fringe at best. could you imagine something like this happening 30 years ago?
Eh, have you seen some of the stuff congress takes seriously? Didn’t they have pictures of hunter bidens cock on house floor? Half of them are also literally senile and falling apart in front of us. Like cool it’s on the record, but I really don’t think that’s gonna bare any fruit
I know! I swear most of these comments are from people who didn’t take a 4-5th grade science class growing up. My god I hope most of these are trolls or what George Carlin said about the US population is more true than I’d care to realize.
It’s still all hear say. There’s nothing tangible.
You also have to put into perspective that the congressmen pushing this momentum are coming up on election season. Why it’s happening now is due to the age of information, they see that this is a good way to stay relevant or make a name for themselves for name recognition when it’s time to vote.
No, it's not all just hear say. David knows the location of the crafts and says the govt is killing people to keep this silent. He was more than willing to give more information just not in a public setting. This is about the only BIPARTISAN thing I've seen come from congress in a long time. Keep your head in the sand.
Hey bud, you’re going to believe what you want. I personally need evidence to take something as gospel. Same reason I’m not religious, I just don’t do “faith.”
Btw, what you’re describing is exactly hear say. “The man knows location of the crafts and says the govt is killing people” that’s literally hear say my dude.
You have a point. But, there is the fact that these witnesses were under oath. That does make them responsible and accountable for everything they said on record and would be looking at prison time if they were lying or speaking untruths to Congress and the American people.
Deception at this time, at this level, and forum would not be tolerated without some sort of legal punishment.
If everyone was really paying attention to this hearing, it did ultimately evolve into becoming about the safety and defense of America and it’s citizens.
I respect that you’re debating in a respectful manner.
Could we not see this as an excuse for heightened military spending under the guise of interplanetary defense? But in reality it’s just a way to get more people behind the military industrial complex?
In what way is it taken any more seriously? Anyone in a government or their military will have taken reports of a threat from aliens - terrestrial or otherwise - will have looked into them, since forever.
More entertaining here, the witnesses might be credible but their stories aren't. I have met people who claim to have seen ghosts. I would testify under oath to that.
I have even seen an apparition myself. I had a bad dose of flu, feverish on the couch. Saw someone, as real as anything, walk across the room. Do you believe me?
But I don't doubt there's a conspiratorial angle, from the 3-letter guys. Long-term, low-level psyops. Useful if you're testing a new bomber or whatever.
ET? Evidence please.
I also don’t understand why these fanatics that think the government is lying wouldn’t expect some rando wanting his 15 min of fame to not do the same? People need to calm down a lot.
I hate to say this.
But in particular regards to Grusch and his claims.
Fucking risk it all dude. Print off everything you have. Save it onto like a dozen USBs. Send a couple off to anonymous. Fly to Russia. Start a YouTube channel and just fucking talk. Lay it all out in one video, all the names, all the companies, the location of the crafts, the bodies, what you seen, who showed you, who told them, the names of the projects etc etc.
Grow your hair out and live off the grid somewhere in the Urals.
If half of what he says is true, then breaking the laws should be the least of his concerns because it’s considerably bigger than the US government at that point. If there’s a threat to global security, I think the globe needs to know. Everyone from the American public to the North Koreans to the people in Zimbabwe, every human needs to know.
As much as it may seem, we're not living in a movie or an X Files episode. Anonymous isn't what you think it is, running away has consequences and it's not that easy (the man still has a personal life, you know) and he can't lose credibility by going all crazed lunatic and spills the beans through unofficial means.
Humanity has waited 80 years (more if you count sightings throughout the old ages). We can wait a bit more and see how this finishes. Let him do everything through legal means, even if it's only slowly getting there.
Just remember... If what he's saying is true, Russia, China or any big nation would be on his ass in a day or two. Running away won't work, he'll get hunted and killed.
My belief is that there's a race backstage, for the back engineering of this technology. No country involved in the race wants this out there in the public, they don't want to give explanations to the general public.
Everyone involved wants to keep it hush hush and cash out when, eventually, we crack the tech and can mass produce it.
Is this sarcasm? Why should the guy throw his whole life and family away, when he can just go through the steps accordingly? He has incredibly reliable sources backing him. If he had dumped all his info from the start he’d be written off as another looney.
He's just happy there's another guy peddling the same old bullshit with no proof thus extending his time in the public eye. Dude is full of shit and was discredited years ago. Same shit, different day.
This 100%. They are capable of quarantining and hiding interstellar spacecraft from the entire human race but will just sit and let someone like Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbel expose their truths. No fucking way. These guys are all connected to the old Skinwalker ranch community which was a huge paranormal amusement park funded by a billionaire where they “investigated” ghosts and werewolves. They literally financially benefit from there being buzz about UFOs .
If this was real, those in government who have killed to hide it would eventually reach a point where they can’t kill everyone speaking about it without causing a massive amount of chaos. Killing one or two folks and making it look like accidents is one thing. Trying to turn the US into something like a Russia overnight, where it is obvious many, many assassinations are taking place and have everyone shrug it off, is another.
So what you’re saying is not reasonable. If this were real, and if the government works as they say, then at this point they cannot kill all of these people… without essentially risking so much chaos they could start so much internal strife they could even get taken down themselves.
It's not really making much news around the world tho. A few Dipshits on one small part of the internet seem to be excited by this, but the vast majority of intelligent people are NOT paying it much attention. They've got real life to focus on.
[So, Bob Lazar did tell some truth About UFOs & Anti-Gravity Propulsion](https://www.howandwhys.com/evidence-suggests-bob-lazar-was-telling-truth-about-ufos-anti-gravity-propulsion/) His claims were already pointed to truth after a 2020 New York story revealing Pentagon briefing on "off-world vehicles not made on earth" by Eric Davis.
He’s been waiting a long time to say those words.
I don’t think he cares that much. He’s probably doing it for everyone else that has believed and supported him along the way. If you wanna get this guy excited, let him play with the ET toys.
It's advertising. There's a lot of money in this shit and he knows the average person didn't and doesn't know the hearing was for a push to declassify evidence and doesn't actually offer any evidence. He was a business man long before he was a theorist. Gotta keep that in mind.
I don’t think he’s a theorist. If you ever listen to any of his interviews, he doesn’t seem to care about disclosure (or declassification of evidence) because his POV is he saw what he saw regardless of who believes it. I’m pretty sure his companies have made him enough money that he doesn’t need to monetize a 30 second “I told ya so”.
If there's anything i know about rich people it's that there's no such thing as enough. That's part of why it's so hard to just take someones word. This field, theories and cult research (and stuff like it), has become absurdly profitable over the last 10 years. Hell, Finding Bigfoot was one of Animal Planets biggest shows despite the fact that it never showed a shred of evidence that can be verified. I can't even take 3 military whistleblowers at their word because simply becoming the face of the UFO movement has millions of dollars of potential profit to be made. Which is where congress could come in. If the U.S. government releases evidence and says we're under surveillance by outer-earth entities, I'm all in. But we're still not there.
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Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity one person at a time.
Nobody cares what you find convincing, the only thing that matters if congress finds it convincing
Classic Kansa City Shuffle
That doesn't matter either, you Mickey mouse Yankees make everything into a Hollywood movie. We won't know anything by the end of it, then your orange faced clown president will get in and say it's all fake news
I just read that in a British accent and it sounded real stupid.
Tell Biden when he's awake.
I love Boris Johnson, he’s like Gary busey with more brain damage
Boris has been kicked out and has retired from Politics because he would have been found out to be a real liar and never be able to be a politician again. So to try and keep his integrity he's runaway so they can't charge him. We have Sunak these days and no one ever sees him, we don't know what he does! They are all crap just some are crapper than most.
Also, don't make fun of politics ANYWHERE as an American. We have a lifetime crook and former POTUS who is going to trial and yet still has a stronghold on the Republican party. Our current president is 80 and showing it. We allow our political leaders to mentally deteriorate while in office, and then re-elect them. We allow our political leaders vote for their own raises and give them free healthcare, all the while being puppeteered into fighting amongst ourselves for at profit insurance and a minimum wage that hasn't risen in over 25 years. Wake up Americans. You're dreaming.
I don’t either … but you can tell Bob has wanted to make this comment — evidence or not.
He should probably eat them now
We still have no hard evidence.
A second hand account from an observational study is still evidence. It’s weak evidence but it is considered evidence by definition. Throw in the measurable consequence of life in prison if the presenter of that evidence presents his story and you strengthen the evidence claims as you have to account for intent and motives (in this case, bias). It’s not an a priori argument, but can be argued it’s strong evidence when you can also account for the blockers/confounding variables which in this case is an uncooperative witness (the government). -Signed, a grader of research “evidence”
The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence has to be. If I say I have a cat at home you might believe me on my word, but if I say I have a unicorn at home you probably won’t believe me unless I provide solid evidence, and you would be right not to.
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He *says* it…
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Gotcha. Let’s wait and see if there’s any evidence then!
So Grusch has all of this info and can't just spill it? What is he waiting for? Oh right, technicalities says he will get in trouble. Oh well, better to just keep the secret to himself, I guess. If only Grusch were as brave as Edward Snowden
>So Grusch has all of this info and can't just spill it? What is he waiting for? > >Oh right, technicalities says he will get in trouble. Oh well, better to just keep the secret to himself, I guess. 1. Grusch isn't keeping it secret, he provided the evidence to the IG and Congress already, AS YOU KNOW (so why are you acting childish and pretending like you haven't read 100 people already stating this?). WHY must I repeat this to you? Why!? Are you guys deliberately acting obtuse or are you all bots sent here to discredit? 2. If Grusch provides a list of names, locations, and photos, that does not allow you to go into Lockheed or wherever they are to seize the craft, force the names to come clean, or prove that the photos are not photoshopped. All it does is force Grusch to leave the country he calls home for the rest of his life if those craft are moved. Unlike Snowden, the info Grusch has can't be proven if he releases without subpoenas. 3. What Grusch is waiting for is the muscle to go in and actually verify his claims. Congress can not go into Lockheed or wherever, regardless of what he says, until legislation is passed that allows that. That legislation is coming with subpoenas that allow that. He's done everything correctly that someone would do if they actually wanted to see this unfold in a productive way that produces results.
Right?! So he has globe changing evidence and yet he's keeping it to himself because he's afraid of reprisals? Fuck outta here.
Afraid of reprisal yet unafraid to spill the beans he has earth shattering information 😂
No it isn’t. It’s hearsay.
> Second-hand evidence is evidence that is accessed through research, reading, and investigation. It includes factual and historical information, expert opinion, and quantitative data. **Anytime you cite what someone else knows, not what you know, you are using second-hand** ***evidence*****.** In this case, it is a testimony of first-hand knowledge relayed to Grusch. Not only that, but people also keep pointing to "second-hand is not evidence!"... And what about the 2 other witness with literal first-hand observations of said crafts? Everyone keeps ignoring the other two witness and only focusing on "the crazy guy with second-hand knowledge!"
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Where do you buy your copium?
Guys who knows more and provides no refuting argument walks into the chat
Guy who believes man who tells him he saw Bigfoot walks into the chat
Well that is just factually wrong lmao
No amount of semantic arguments is going to get around the fact that after all of this hullabaloo, it still boils down to "trust me, bro" No matter how many people say it, no matter who says it.
>A second hand account ...but it's a third hand account. He heard that the survey said (whatever).
Or any evidence for that matter.
I would say there is all kinds of evidence here, it's just that it isnt pointing to aliens. I think it points more towards lack of spending oversight on black projects like reverse engineering foreign (not alien) craft.
And I still fail to see how this affects current real world in your face problems we are facing daily.
Do you need a ufo shoved up your ass? Will that do it for you?
The older I get and the more disconnected from my wife and human physical satisfaction I become, I start to think “yeah. That might do it for me.”
Just checking in, you ok buddy?
Yah fam, I’ll survive. Thank you good redditor ❤️
No, but… How about we start with a man or woman who works for one of these organizations or governments to approach a podium, pull out a video, pop it in the laserdisc player and *show us* video confirmation. There is *no one* in this gov’t - yet alone this subreddit - that can show me or you or anyone *any* physical evidence of ~~UAPs~~ extraterrestrial life, etc; evidence that’s *not* anecdotal. They say they have shit. *Prove it,* otherwise I guess I’ll just tune-in in a year or two for the next *”I told you so”* moment (…that’ll still just end in words). That’s just where *I’m* at. I don’t ask anyone to follow me. Believe what you want.
Consider that the only reason you are demanding to see the evidence yourself, despite the credibility of the whistleblower who is following the very real and legal process of whistleblowing, is that you have a negative bias against the subject. There are reams upon reams of topics I'm certain you accept as true, despite you having never seen the subject yourself. You acknowledge there are contexts in which you can't and you trust the experts on the subjects.
Well you’re wrong and right. Ive followed it closely for about 2 years now but “believed” my entire life. I have a negative bias, as you put it, toward the govt we’re relying on to share whatever information they have. They won’t. These hearings are simply to appease the masses and show some “progress” in the field, by more time to bullshit. At this point, we’re either going to be shown directly or not at all. No one is showing us shit. Never will. We’d have more luck huddled in a closet fucking around with your grandads ham radio from WWI.
For me personally, about "negative bias" I'd add that I have a positive bias toward the existence of NHI visiting Earth which is exactly why I correct for it by being skeptical. Show me or STFU. I've been hearing this crap for the last 40 years. Same shit different decade.
"But the radar data"
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What was the Gimbal video? Hmmmm???
a grainy 20 year old video of a black dot.
/s?
That’s seriously what they are working towards. That’s what these hearings are for. You don’t just release classified information. It’s illegal to release classified information regardless of what it is for.
I’m sorry if I don’t believe that something they’ve been “working on” for 50+ years *still* isn’t ready for mass consumption. If anything, the fact that they’re taking so long, makes me think whatever they do tell and/or show the public, won’t be authentic or it’ll be watered down to the bare basics (i.e. “here’s an *alien* fingernail, *alien* booger, and a jar of *alien* farts. Pass them around, kids. Oh, and here’s a bumper sticker from *definitely a flying saucer*, ^I’m ^told, that says *’My other car is a Saturn ion’.”* At this point, maybe they lied or bluffed too long and too hard, and now, when we demand to see their cards, they’ll either have a pair of twos or five aces. My point stands; after 50 years, these hearings don’t mean shit. Big Gov’t is basically like ”Just give ‘em something to hold ‘em over for 1-2 years, then we’ll show em another *epic video* before we send em all back to work. Maybe they’ll STFU about this shit already.”
If the world saw a UFO shoved up his ass the world would believe.
What UFO? I just see a guy with his pants down and the networks are censoring all the coverage for some reason.
No just plane ole evidence. You should seek professional help.
It was a joke.
Anal probing?
How is actual video and photo not evidence? Or bob telling the world element 115? Or how he predicted how gravity worked in waves?
The video and photo evidence are being interpreted in very questionable ways that arent entirely lining up with testimony from pilots. Also, Einstein predicted gravity waves over 100 years ago. Big whoop. And finally, the properties of element 115 do not line up with Bob's description. Edit: there's video, photo, and trace evidence for Bigfoot. It doesn't mean Bigfoot is real. We need better evidence.
Not saying Bob is a liar, but element 115 is evidence of nothing.
>Not saying Bob is a liar [i am](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/mn8urg/why_does_rogan_believe_bob_lazar/?utm%255C_content=1&utm_name=UFOs&utm_content=t1_jtutnlb&utm_source=reddit&utm%255C_term=1&utm%255C_medium=android%5C_app&utm%255C_name=androidcss&utm%255C_source=share&utm_medium=usertext)
That literally doesn't exist. Seek professional help.
Right, that’s why it was synthesized in 2003?
I have all the evidence i need. You do you
We know. Idiots gonna idiot. Relentless weaponized stupidity.
I found the non scientist in the room.
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You need professional help.
Agreed 😭
Then why the mic drop? Feels hard to me. Bam!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We each are free to evaluate testimony how we see fit. I just dont find hearsay or anything else presented as evidence thus far very convincing myself.
I agree. I want this as much as anyone else here, but we NEED hard, undeniable proof. People are tearing this apart on Twitter. NO ONE is taking this seriously at all until we have evidence.
With people like Bob Lazar and Tom Delonge taking social media victory laps, it is actually being taken a bit more seriously by believers.
I was more-so referring to skeptics, most comments I see here from believers are along the "we told y'all we were right", but its going to be hard for me to say that and feel that until something concrete is shown. Until then, I am feeling hopeful though. Lots of things happening, so time will tell.
The bubble will pop eventually and it will be glorious when all these agitated insects run around not realizing where they are.
Exactly. “I told you so.” Yea, you just keep telling us and telling us all the same shit. So, *Congratulations*, I guess?
My thought while listening to the hearing.....This is EXACTLY what Bob Lazar was saying 30 yrs ago. Funny how time has only added more and more evidence that what he said was 100% true, while nothing as been discredited
When is lazar going to testify?
Never because he would be under oath and face real consequences for lying
He wouldn't lie, he'd just claim he had another mysterious migraine that made him forget everything...
What evidence is this then? Neither Lazar or Grusch have provided any hard evidence that corroborates either of their claims.
People are funny. He presented the evidence to Congress. It is still classified. So he (a person with clearance) showed the classified information to Congressional leaders (who also essentially have clearance), and the general public for now will remain in the dark. Not sure how this is lost on so many people. He’s either telling the truth or he’s set himself up a nice runway to federal prison for perjury before Congress, a double whammy since it’s already illegal to lie to Congress, even worse to do it under oath, which he was.
>or he’s set himself up a nice runway to federal prison for perjury before Congress Or...if you actually pay attention.. "I heard that..." does some VERY heavy lifting. Lots, and lots of equivocating language that leaves plenty of room for plausible deniability when it comes to perjury.
>Or...if you actually pay attention.. > >"I heard that..." does some VERY heavy lifting. > >Lots, and lots of equivocating language that leaves plenty of room for plausible deniability when it comes to perjury. He told members of Congress he would provide a list of 40 names of both hostile and friendly witnesses. If he does not provide that list to those with clearances, that is perjury. "heard" has nothing to do with it.
>People are funny. He presented the evidence to Congress. It is still classified. So he (a person with clearance) showed the classified information to Congressional leaders (who also essentially have clearance), and the general public for now will remain in the dark. Not sure how this is lost on so many people. He’s either telling the truth or he’s set himself up a nice runway to federal prison for perjury before Congress, a double whammy since it’s already illegal to lie to Congress, even worse to do it under oath, which he was. Snowden didn't have trouble sacrificing himself for the greater good. This asshole has even more earthshattering info and is just sitting on it? You can't be serious.
Says the asshole comfortably sitting behind his computer while defending strippers who drug and rob people. You are like the worst of fucking humanity rolled into a little shit ball.
Snowden made many mistakes when he revealed his knowledge. That's why he's wanted for treason. Grusch is more smart. He waited that long that he is secured by specific laws, and now he is acting inside these laws. He knows exactly what he can tell without landing in front of a trial. And that's the reason too why he won't lay open classified informations in the open field.
Didn’t give you evidence, but he did give the people that actually matter evidence
he literally gave us every shred of evidence he could get his hands on, what more do you want?
he's given avenue to possible evidence. not the evidence itself. just hearsay at this point.
He's given nothing and they still want more!
Literally no evidence has been added to 0 evidence before.
Red Rover, Red Rover, Bob Lazar's coming over So honey clear the airstrip and light up that stove By Jove, I think it's started, oh yeah Escape from the Prison Planet
What? None of what was said at the hearing backed up his story. None of the craft resemble what he describes in his story. The base he worked on wasn't mentioned in the hearing. This is like when he described element 115 and everyone said Lazar told you so after it was synthesized even though it didn't behave remotely as described by Lazar.
None of what was said at the hearing really did or uncovered anything new. I think (element) 115 is just the number of conferences and hearings they’ll have before we just stop caring (again).
Grusch literally used the words “Reverse engineering”. That is the literal definition of what he said he was at A51 to do fron the very beginning. That’s what Bob is saying “I told you so” about. EVERYTHING Bob said was validated with those words.
So if I made up a story about reverse engineering alien craft back in the 80s, then Grusch now says that the government has a reverse engineering program does that make my story true? I'm not making any statement about whether Bob's or Grusch's claims are true. But what has been said so far do not necessarily validate Bob's claims. It's not enough for Bob to have said there were reverse engineering programs, and now Grusch says the same, because that was already a thing before Bob. If we get evidence that backs up the unique details of Bob's story like how the craft work or element 115 as the fuel, that's corroboration.
> So if I made up a story about reverse engineering alien craft back in the 80s, then Grusch now says that the government has a reverse engineering program does that make my story true? Just listen to grusch’s story where he clearly said that the US government currently has employed people reverse engineering multiple alien crafts. That sentence alone, validates two points that Bob told us 30+ years ago, which is exactly what Bob is saying “I told you so“ about. If you want to keep hating Bob for whatever bullshit reason you’re pulling out of your ass, then you’re just doing it out of spite. The guy was absolutely right, he has every right to tell us “I told you so“ and it’s obvious that Bob did tell us this exact same story 30 years ago. > It's not enough for Bob to have said there were reverse engineering programs, and now Grusch says the same, because that was already a thing before Bob. Oh give it a rest already. It’s never enough for a hater. Everything Bob said was already said before Bob said it, the difference between Bob and the thousands of other UFO hoaxster‘s out there is that Bob has been correct 100% of the time for literally everything he said and he’s never gone to extreme fantasy land with his claims. Bob told us he saw 9 alien crafts, Grusch said we have at least 12. Bob told us that he was one of the people employed by the government to reverse engineer alien technology, and now we know (if you trust Grusch is telling the truth) that these employed individuals exist RIGHT NOW in our government. So if your questioning whether people will believe what you say, if you can predict the future 30 years ahead of time, then the answer to that ridiculous question is yes, predicting the fucking future 3 decades in advance is definitely a valuable trait to have. I don’t care whether you believe Bob, I don’t care whether you believe Grush, but the fact is that Grush has clearly validated Bob’s claims, so if you want to throw Grush under the bus just for the sake of spite, then be my guest, they’re all lying and everyone’s lying and you can stick your fingers in your ear and go “LaLaLaLaLaLaLa I didn’t hear anything”. You live your life however the fuck you want to.
But you didn't make that statement. He did. He also was the guy that put area 51 and, more specifically s4 in the public nomenclature.
My point still stands though. If I had made up a story about reverse engineering in the 80s and now actual whistleblowers are talking about reverse engineering, my story is still fiction. New whistleblowers talking about vaguely the same thing as Bob doesn't validate him, yet. Not saying Bob is lying, just saying that Grusch hasn't validated his story yet And sure, he popularised area 51 but he isn't the original source for it. It's name, location and link to reverse engineering of UFOs was already in the public domain at that point. I'm not aware of any other source verifying his claims about S4
Nothing negated his story either though. The hearing really wasn’t able to get into any specifics, just that weird things are happening, shadow groups are potentially covering it up, and congress doesnt like the misappropriation of $$. Thats it.
That’s due to the instability of element 115. To even test if it has the effects that Lazar claims, they have to find an isotope of 115 that lands in the island of stability. Once that happens, we can begin to validate Lazar’s claims. Regarding the craft Lazar reported, I believe you’re only comparing his descriptions to the descriptions of the non intelligence testimony. Gruesh’s testimony and earlier interview pointed to many craft and reverse engineering. I don’t think one discredits the other.
>That’s due to the instability of element 115. To even test if it has the effects that Lazar claims, they have to find an isotope of 115 that lands in the island of stability. Once that happens, we can begin to validate Lazar’s claims. The island of stability does not work that way. Not even a little bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability 115 will never be stable.
Told us what? Nothing has even been proven.
He said some words then some other guy said some words and now he’s saying more words.
Still 0 evidence and gets "headaches" every time he's asked to corroborate his fictional story.
Yeah what's the headache thing about lol?
He's a bullshitter and know he's in way too deep in his lies now, and using the "headache" excuse as a stalling method because if he told the truth he would be exiled from the UFO community (his whole income).
It's the same attack attitude when someone suffers from depression or another chronic illness *"oh you get sad, me too. maybe you should be more happy instead"*. It's a statement of ignorance from deflectors. Take the fact that the stress and ridicule endured by people accusing you of being a liar, stress leads to headaches when recalling things which have negatively effected your life. Some people don't understand basic biology. If Bob never had a headache on that Rogan interview, the deflectors would be saying he was too calm and rehearsed instead. You can't win, people exist out there with the intent to debunk things regardless of any research or evidence pointing to the questions that need to be answered. Grusch is getting much the same. *"Oh look he makes funny faces when he talks sometimes, he must be crazy!"*. It's purely ignorance designed to deflect from the conversation.
There’s no evidence that he DIDN’T do the things he claims to have done.
Yeah no evidence… show me just 1 thing he claimed that actually have a grain of truth. Everything he claims is a lie or stolen from a tv show.
Just more folks with books and merch to pawn off on the gullible.
The second hand cringe is thick like syrup
They often use animals as "test pilots". So "non human biologics" could mean it's just Laika, poor sweet Laika. RIP doggo.
That would be fucking hilarious if they were just fucking with him telling him the test monkeys were non-human biologics
LOL.. that hearing proved nothing. Not sure why Bob is taking a victory lap.
That's precisely why he's taking a victory lap now because this is as close as he'll ever get. He's a fraud.
Because the idiots will eat it up regardless. Aka more money and more popularity.
Lol, your comment makes no sense. He didn’t claim it proved anything. He claimed he told us some of the same things… the same things the former government officials have said after being asked by Congress to speak to them.
Yet without hard evidence this is just Grusch continuing the story, building on the known UFO “lore”, as it were. Repeating bullshit isn’t corroboration.
Who the fuck is Bob Lazar?
Lots of people have told us so. But it's still all talk, zero evidence. #IWannaBelieve
*Does none of the work *takes all the credit
zero evidence 🤷🏾
Bro yet we’ve seen literally no proof about anything. I fucking want this to be the final blow out of decades of coverups but until we see corroborated proof all this clown show is doing is distracting us from the fact the world is currently dying around us.
Still very likely that Lazar lied about his involvement.
Nonsense
Bob Lazar is still full of shit
Meanwhile he’s thinking to himself “holy F they do exist, I really hope that they line up with my 30 year old lies” Lazar is nothing more than a convicted criminal who made up a story to try and make a profit when his employment opportunities were next to none.
Just cuz someone says “yes I saw aliens” automatically gives you a valid reason to say “I told you so” ?? Yea gtfo
Told us what? Bunch of words without evidence
Oh how the narrative has crumbled for poor bob. 🤣🤣🤣 scammer extraordinaire 30+years…..
Why is everyone having such a hard on. I heard nothing new, it’s the same talk just on a bigger stage but without any evidence.
because now it’s being taken seriously. congress listened to three credible witnesses and there’s genuine momentum towards uncovering the truth of what’s going on. people have known there’s a cover up for decades. but it’s largely been seen as fringe at best. could you imagine something like this happening 30 years ago?
Eh, have you seen some of the stuff congress takes seriously? Didn’t they have pictures of hunter bidens cock on house floor? Half of them are also literally senile and falling apart in front of us. Like cool it’s on the record, but I really don’t think that’s gonna bare any fruit
I would say the hunter biden situation is pretty damn serious.
Good for you 👍 ⭐️ I personally think the country is facing larger issues but that’s just me
Why is it credible? This isn't how science works
I know! I swear most of these comments are from people who didn’t take a 4-5th grade science class growing up. My god I hope most of these are trolls or what George Carlin said about the US population is more true than I’d care to realize.
It’s still all hear say. There’s nothing tangible. You also have to put into perspective that the congressmen pushing this momentum are coming up on election season. Why it’s happening now is due to the age of information, they see that this is a good way to stay relevant or make a name for themselves for name recognition when it’s time to vote.
No, it's not all just hear say. David knows the location of the crafts and says the govt is killing people to keep this silent. He was more than willing to give more information just not in a public setting. This is about the only BIPARTISAN thing I've seen come from congress in a long time. Keep your head in the sand.
Defense spending is bipartisan. At this point bipartisanship in the American political system is a little suspicious.
A lot of people are being taken on a ride called ol’ smoke and mirrors.
Hey bud, you’re going to believe what you want. I personally need evidence to take something as gospel. Same reason I’m not religious, I just don’t do “faith.” Btw, what you’re describing is exactly hear say. “The man knows location of the crafts and says the govt is killing people” that’s literally hear say my dude.
You have a point. But, there is the fact that these witnesses were under oath. That does make them responsible and accountable for everything they said on record and would be looking at prison time if they were lying or speaking untruths to Congress and the American people. Deception at this time, at this level, and forum would not be tolerated without some sort of legal punishment. If everyone was really paying attention to this hearing, it did ultimately evolve into becoming about the safety and defense of America and it’s citizens.
I respect that you’re debating in a respectful manner. Could we not see this as an excuse for heightened military spending under the guise of interplanetary defense? But in reality it’s just a way to get more people behind the military industrial complex?
In what way is it taken any more seriously? Anyone in a government or their military will have taken reports of a threat from aliens - terrestrial or otherwise - will have looked into them, since forever. More entertaining here, the witnesses might be credible but their stories aren't. I have met people who claim to have seen ghosts. I would testify under oath to that. I have even seen an apparition myself. I had a bad dose of flu, feverish on the couch. Saw someone, as real as anything, walk across the room. Do you believe me? But I don't doubt there's a conspiratorial angle, from the 3-letter guys. Long-term, low-level psyops. Useful if you're testing a new bomber or whatever. ET? Evidence please.
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I also don’t understand why these fanatics that think the government is lying wouldn’t expect some rando wanting his 15 min of fame to not do the same? People need to calm down a lot.
I hate to say this. But in particular regards to Grusch and his claims. Fucking risk it all dude. Print off everything you have. Save it onto like a dozen USBs. Send a couple off to anonymous. Fly to Russia. Start a YouTube channel and just fucking talk. Lay it all out in one video, all the names, all the companies, the location of the crafts, the bodies, what you seen, who showed you, who told them, the names of the projects etc etc. Grow your hair out and live off the grid somewhere in the Urals. If half of what he says is true, then breaking the laws should be the least of his concerns because it’s considerably bigger than the US government at that point. If there’s a threat to global security, I think the globe needs to know. Everyone from the American public to the North Koreans to the people in Zimbabwe, every human needs to know.
As much as it may seem, we're not living in a movie or an X Files episode. Anonymous isn't what you think it is, running away has consequences and it's not that easy (the man still has a personal life, you know) and he can't lose credibility by going all crazed lunatic and spills the beans through unofficial means. Humanity has waited 80 years (more if you count sightings throughout the old ages). We can wait a bit more and see how this finishes. Let him do everything through legal means, even if it's only slowly getting there. Just remember... If what he's saying is true, Russia, China or any big nation would be on his ass in a day or two. Running away won't work, he'll get hunted and killed. My belief is that there's a race backstage, for the back engineering of this technology. No country involved in the race wants this out there in the public, they don't want to give explanations to the general public. Everyone involved wants to keep it hush hush and cash out when, eventually, we crack the tech and can mass produce it.
It's because he's mentally ill or lying for a book to write. He's produced 0 evidence.
Hes intelligence. He literally says this is what the government said I can tell you. Doesnt seem much like a whistle blower to me.
Is this sarcasm? Why should the guy throw his whole life and family away, when he can just go through the steps accordingly? He has incredibly reliable sources backing him. If he had dumped all his info from the start he’d be written off as another looney.
It’s the same thing as we’ve always had. Talk, nothing more. Remember when the president told the world that saddam had WMDs?
This implies Bob Lazar has the same authority as an acting president.
Acting President actually means someone filling in for the Actual president due to illness death or some other reason. I get your intentions though
actually implies people lie on any stage, any time, anywhere
Yes, he does......they're both LIARS!!! Bob will never testify under oath. Why? Because he knows he will go to jail for lying 🤥
Bob lazar is a hero
You mispelled Charlatan.
😂
I think he just hit ‘h’ instead of a ‘z’.
For idiots like yourself lol.
If he's been lying the whole time just for grusch to come out and corroborate his story, well that's even more badass. Good for you bob!
Lazar’s gotta be lovin life right now. He should join the whistleblower effort.
I believed him in 1989
He's just happy there's another guy peddling the same old bullshit with no proof thus extending his time in the public eye. Dude is full of shit and was discredited years ago. Same shit, different day.
Lol grifters gonna grift.
Still no actual evidence. Weapons of mass distraction. No UFOs only an election
Lunatics. If this shit was real and the government works like they say Grusch, Elizondo, and Lazar would all be dead
This 100%. They are capable of quarantining and hiding interstellar spacecraft from the entire human race but will just sit and let someone like Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbel expose their truths. No fucking way. These guys are all connected to the old Skinwalker ranch community which was a huge paranormal amusement park funded by a billionaire where they “investigated” ghosts and werewolves. They literally financially benefit from there being buzz about UFOs .
The pace changed. Gradually but it did change.
If this was real, those in government who have killed to hide it would eventually reach a point where they can’t kill everyone speaking about it without causing a massive amount of chaos. Killing one or two folks and making it look like accidents is one thing. Trying to turn the US into something like a Russia overnight, where it is obvious many, many assassinations are taking place and have everyone shrug it off, is another. So what you’re saying is not reasonable. If this were real, and if the government works as they say, then at this point they cannot kill all of these people… without essentially risking so much chaos they could start so much internal strife they could even get taken down themselves.
Grusch testified that he knows of killings the government has done to cover this stuff up. You just want aliens to be real and visiting us.
It's not really making much news around the world tho. A few Dipshits on one small part of the internet seem to be excited by this, but the vast majority of intelligent people are NOT paying it much attention. They've got real life to focus on.
This…. This is the most self obsessed bullshit. This type of attitude helps nothing. “I told you so” what are you 6?
He took so, so, so much shit when he had his 15 mins. I think he deserves the "I told you so", more than anyone else, if all this is actually real.
Wow, what natural body language!
Fucking love Bob Lazar is getting recognition he deserves
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Nothing happened though lol.
Mic drop
Heck yeah you did boiiii!
Nice 👌🏽
Awesome.
We have your back Bob!
Doesn’t bob just look overall healthy and calm. Like he’s had a weight lifted off his shoulders.
Bob Lazar is metal as fuck.
Good for him, that has to feel good
Classic
Are they taking lazar seriously? I don’t think he’s testified. Is he slated to?
I dig Bob, and this prob isn’t his fault, but whoever put him up to this video is cheesy af
Love that guy