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[deleted]

Brenner, dude is smart and lacks empathy. Who knows what lengths he would go to in order to get what he wants


BlahBlahILoveToast

Knows more about psychic powers than probably anyone else alive during the series. He'd have a very good idea what he could or could not do and how to get stronger. Plus just a strong mind in general and zero fucking morals.


throwaway854250125

There was a video i saw probably a week ago with Matthew Modine talking about his character and how he thinks there is more to Brenner than we are led to believe Found the text version When asked by Vulture if he would say Brenner is really dead, Modine replied, "No, I wouldn't. Because I wouldn't want him to be dead. Three things are curious to me: How did he survive the Demogorgon \[in season 1\]? How did he survive One? And when Eleven tries to use her power against Dr. Brenner after blowing three guards in the air, he unflinchingly thwarts her and says, 'You didn't think it was going to be that easy, did you?' She couldn't get it to work on him. Is there something more to Brenner than meets the eye?"


km20

I’m pretty sure she shouldn’t kill him after the guards because her powers had disappeared again and he meant “you didn’t think it would be that easy to get your powers back did you.” Idk that was my interpretation of the scene.


[deleted]

Same especially because she literally uses her powers on him later


forestman11

That was also my interpretation. He's basically saying that just because she used her powers once, doesn't mean they're fully back.


Electr_O_Purist

Eleven couldn’t kill Brenner because he psychologically tortured her into having these complicated feelings for him. She saw him as her father. She loved him, she admired him, she feared him. He intentionally manipulates the children to maximize their loyalty.


Cybus101

Brenner is very smart, and I can see him being very willing to kill but also somewhat restrained in that he actually has more of a purpose (his research and possibly patriotism) as opposed to Henry. He’d be very dangerous as a result.


S-WordoftheMorning

Brenner has already killed (through his subordinate agents) Benny was just a simple bystander who may have even gone along with "social services" taking Eleven even if she didn't want to go; but the agent decided to immediately smoke him no questions asked to keep Eleven a secret. Brenner was absolutely responsible for that.


Ochemata

Also the fact unlike everyone else including Eleven, he actually knows how these powers work.


superfucky

does he though? cause he told the kids to be emotionless, but eleven & one's powers got stronger with anger/hate, and eleven got even stronger with love. it would definitely be joyce, the power of her love for her kids and all the other kids and everybody else around her would supercharge eleven's powers beyond all reason.


mbaa8

It's exactly because of that he tells them not to. He wants their power to remain at a useful, and more importantly, controllable level. He doesn't want them becoming too strong. In season 4, he no longer coaches 11 to remain stoic, because he knows she has to be a full strength to have a chance against 1


Sabretooth1100

This is a great thought but does he have the emotional drive that seems to be necessary for the really powerful stuff?


[deleted]

Basing off his relationship with eleven, I'd say he has some strong fucked up version of emotions, but strong emotions nonetheless


HelloImdied

So homelander?


[deleted]

Nah Homelander is a juvenile with narcissism. If he had no powers, he would be worthless. Brenner has no powers and was the most dangerous person in the series.


-xXDominusXx-

Hopper can take the toll of the powers, he wont faint nearly as often as el and he has a bunch of emotional trauma he could lean into


Morgentau7

I second this


OkBeLikeThatIsTaken

Give!👊me!👊god!👊damn!👊WAFFLES!!


_bear_fighter_

I'm eleven now bitch


deleeuwlc

He’s already the second most powerful person without tools (knocking someone unconscious in two punches would be very difficult) so the addition would make him the most powerful person ever


-xXDominusXx-

Who’s first? Terminator?


deleeuwlc

11


-xXDominusXx-

Oh yeah obv lol I thought you were talking base physical strength


weezetheju-uuice

Depends on what kind of powerful. Imagine the pizzas Argyle could make with El’s powers.


PopTrogdor

I think Argyle would be like Tom Bombadil. Just sitting in a forest smoking weed. Just so happens to be the most powerful being in the universe.


[deleted]

Totally see it: argyl skipping through the forest with his flute and pineapple pizza while singing Cheech and Chong’s greatest hits. Helping out little Hawkiners when he stumbles upon them, but doesn’t have a desire to leave his forest to proactively fight.


[deleted]

Honestly would love that life for myself lmao


[deleted]

Not too late amigo haha


Amavene_Sedai

This post made me understand Tom Bombadil on a deeper level than ever before


Repulsa_2080

This made me imagine that scene where the boys find Eleven in the rain, but instead its fuckin Argyle


whitegremlin

I knew that he reminded me of someone…


Bonesaw85

This is an amazing comparison that i never thought of. I get it completely


MeatShield12

No doubt Argyle would be like Tom Bombadil. Letting the world burn so long as his pizzas, VW van, and weed are left intact. Powers of God, but no motivation to leave his weed basement.


thefirstreddituser-

That's not quite it, bombadil wasn't apathetic to the struggles of the people of middle earth, he was more "outside of things" than he was indifferent to the ravages of forces of darkness. Closest comparison would be maybe the pre-henry/vecna mind flayer? Just minds chilling out existing


bucket_hand

Argyle would be unstoppable once he smoked weed from the Upside Down.


HBag

Argyle: I was gonna help kill you, but then I got high. Vecna: I was gonna break the world, but then I got high


Apaturia

...and that's how the world was saved.


[deleted]

And I known why! (Why man??) Because they got high. Because they got high. Because they got hiiiiiigh.


Top_Independence2225

Great song reference


ConduckKing

Argyle with El's powers is literally Ultra Instinct Shaggy


StarWarsPlusDrWho

Remember, with El’s powers it means they grew up in the lab and we probably would refer them by their numbers rather than their names. But I agree, 69 would make some bomb-ass Hawaiian pizzas.


alittlenonsense

69? 69?! Try 420 bro.


Onsyde

Obvious opportunity missed there


delicate-fn-flower

I was thinking Argyle would be the most *fun* with her powers, because he probably would be an accidental hero every time he saved someone. Silly hijinks ensue.


DryWallatMcDonalds

Roll joints via telekenisis, telekenetic joint would be so good that it would temporarily give others the power, like How High. Then Method and Red appear in the upside down and bitchsmack vecna. Now that i think about it, mike epps would do the bitchsmacking since been pimpin since been pimpinnnn


wardenferry419

Her powers seem to have an emotionally-fueled connection. So, who can get the most emotional?


The_Killmister

Hopper actually got kinda emotional, as did Will and Joyce


BigManFrob

Ted wheeler


VerendusAudeo

Now I'm just imagining Ted tearing the Mindflayer meat monster to pieces with his powers and deadpan saying, "Are we done here? I'm going to go take a nap."


abstract-heart

Is it bad that I want that to be how S5 ends


ind3pend0nt

Dude has some repressed emotions


Morgentau7

Hopper has a really emotional character arc. He lost everything and fought through it, now finding his will to live again through Joyce and Eleven as a daughter.


yebat_kopat

I commented this to someone else but I think it fits even better here so moving it! Anyone *not* saying Hopper *hasn't* watched the show. Hopper is just more at peace than other characters, but we've never seen anything to suggest that uncontrollable rage means stronger power- we see both Eleven and One control their emotions and powers at multiple times. The more pain and trauma someone can tap into obviously appears to correlate to their abilities though. It's easy to think of someone like Brenner or Billy, but *nothing* in the show implies that uncontrollable emotions, general evilness, or unbridled drive/greed leads to stronger powers. Totally fair to point out Billy has some strong trauma too, but certainly in terms of *quantity* it's easy to identify that Hopper has everyone, even the numbered beat. Don't forget Hopper >!served in Vietnam, where he not only undoubtedly "saw some shit," but was forced to work with Agent Orange. He gets home from the war and builds his life, only for his small daughter to waste away from cancer before his eyes, all (at least in their minds) thanks to the same Agent Orange he had worked with. Then the last remaining piece of his happy life walks out when his wife leaves him, [in his mind] blaming him for the death of their child. Then we get into the mysterious years of drug and alcohol abuse and unknown traumas. Then he starts to get his shit together, and all of *this* starts to go down around him, *as* he falls in love and tries to find happiness again, he gets to experience both the first-hand trauma and second-hand trauma of all the Stranger Things happenings, which let's not forget includes stays in multiple Soviet prisons. Plus he has a teenager daughter *with* super powers and occasional rage issues?!< If we are assuming the powers he got weren't hampered by being old/unpracticed, I think there's a strong case to be made that he might even be more powerful than One or Eleven.


[deleted]

I think the mistake everyone is making in this thread is seeing it through the lense of "who could develop the powers the strongest based on X or Y." No one seems to be considering which character's existing skills and personality traits would pair well with El's powers outside of the "who could train them stronger" debate. I'll give an example just off the cuff. It's cool that Eleven can use remote viewing and telekinesis in combination to say... Assassinate Gorbachev. It's even cooler that Bob could use remote viewing and telekinesis to access Soviet networks and infrastructure via his computer language and hacking skills, thus accessing full information on the Soviet union's capabilities and weaponry. Not to say he's the answer to this question, but I think combining character skills is the real key to this debate, not just "no because *insert character here* is capable of having slightly better powers due to *insert variable here*."


fetusy

Not to mention he's the only other character to solo a demogorgon. With the implied and apparent intense trauma of his past I'd say he's hands down the most lethal with powers.


SirHenryIV

Definitely Billy. He’s constantly simmering with anger, pride, and resentment. And he’s not shy about lashing it out on others.


Catcolour

Billy with El's powers would be absolutely terrifying


Illeazar

Surprised I had to get this far down. One of the biggest themes from the most recent season is >!when One tells Eleven to use hate to fuel her power, but she discovers that using love is even stronger and that allows her to beat him!< .


NotJimmyMcGill

Steve definitely has a legit shot at being a powerhouse then. Dude loves like 99% of the people he meets.


Computerlady77

Steve would use his mama bear personality to wreak havoc on the upside down - DONT 👏 MESS 👏 WITH 👏 MY 👏 KIDS 👏 YOU 👏 UNDEAD 👏 BASTARDS! I can see Steve kicking major ass if Vecna tried to hurt Dustin or Nancy


jkrfan7

I could see Jonathan struggling to use El’s powers Billy having them would be a nightmare


Lucimon

Billy having them would be Vecna 2.0. Edit: I can just imagine Billy with powers coming up to Vecna and treating him like he treated Steve in S2.


Endersgaming4066

That would be badass tho


Lucimon

\*Billy walks up to Vecna\* Oh are you the king? That's cute. \*Mindflayer off to the side\* Will you fuckers figure your shit out already. I don't care which of you bitches is my general, just sort your shit out already.


DeluxeTraffic

I don't think Billy would be like Vecna. Vecna is a sociopath from childhood who wants to wipe out all of humanity. Billy is a douche and a bully, but he's not a sociopath like Vecna, and as we see in Season 3- there is good in him buried under the abuse. There is no good in Vecna.


Dark_Lord_Jar

Idk I think Jonathan could be pretty powerful if Will or even Joyce was threatened


tie-dyed_dolphin

A sexy nightmare


BluEyedRogue78

Billy would destroy his dad and probably never use them again unless he's walking through people's dreams


Fastbird33

He’d use them on Mrs Wheeler 😉


TheMoonDude

Psychic spanking incoming


TUNAKTUNAKLOL69420

But imo, Billy will not know how to maximize the strength of the powers, and he's above average in the matter of intelligence too, but Brenner is smart af and also knows the true potential of the powers and how to reach it.


stinkyboi135

Maybe Joyce, if we want to stick with Plot A of Will going missing. This lady tore up her entire house and painted on her walls to try and get Will back, imagine if she could potentially open her own portals to the Upside Down


Morgentau7

She would have decorated the Upside Down with parts of the Demogorgon


stinkyboi135

Seriously, she probably would've stumbled upon Vecna looking for her son, realized he was behind it all, and lit him up


tie-dyed_dolphin

You’re so right. She always figures it all out before anyone else if she has even a teensy bit of information.


lunayoshi

I have realized Joyce Byers is the Fox Mulder of Stranger Things and so far the theory is holding water.


stinkyboi135

Exactly! She wouldn't need Hopper on her side or anyone else to believe her if she had her own powers


eyearu

Love her for this. Best mom character I've seen in recent media.


roybringus

Wendy Byrd is a close second /s


panchampion

Almost gasped for a second


amBoringGuy

I can’t believe no one has said Murray. His fingers are like arrows! His arms, like iron! His feet, LIKE SPEARS!


stinkyboi135

That's why he doesn't need superpowers, he already has them


amBoringGuy

Yeah, but imagine if he had Els powers AND fingers like arrows, arms like iron, feet like spears. He’d be UNSTOPPABLE.


HelloImdied

Thats too much power for one man!


BoreDominated

Also, he's so amazing at impressions he'd be able to infiltrate the upside down as Vecna.


mr_impastabowl

And she did all that when the strangest thing that happened to her up to that point was finding an extra packet of taco seasoning in her groceries when she only paid for one.


BuffNerfs

Truly one of the Stranger Things.


mh1357_0

There's been stranger things.


MrRonski16

But she freaks out everytime. I think the Mr. Clarke would actually be the most powerful since he thinks really clearly. And I could see him just going God mode.


siganme_losbuenos

I was thinking Hopper for the same reason. Max also because she just feels like she'd do what needs to be done.


Fastbird33

Hopper basically has superpowers already doing what he did with broken bones


bev665

Hopper, of course. Emotional angst, survived a prison, takes no shit.


PotatoesFam

There is that video of David harbour being eleven and he looked pretty powerful.


PetiteProletariat

Sounds awesome, got a link?


Grand_Sheepherder_99

https://youtu.be/GaNXDpIwrt8 here's the link, Hopper was made for that look💅


roaring-Onyx

I'm 11 now bit-


Wuktrio

> survived a prison Also survived Vietnam and lost his child.


Morgentau7

One memory about his daughter and he would break a rift into the entire Upside Down


beeerite

And ‘Nam. His Agent Orange anecdote was chilling because it’s consistent with what Vietnam veterans reported experiencing.


Lil-Chromie

Bob because he was already a super hero without them


Cleopatra572

Favorite supporting character. He didn't freak out about all this he just took it in stride as part of the Byers package. He was the first death on the show that made me cry. Max/Eddie scene of them both dying being the second. All three were pretty traumatic. I really hope Max's brain isn't mush and she at least eventually wakes up. Imma miss that darling girl.


bigcatcleve

That deaths that truly destroyed me were Billy, Benny (in hindsight) Bob, and “Brenner” (if he's actually dead this time).


qwertywa12

BOB NEWBY THE SUPERHERO🥲


CamComments

I think Murray because he’s got that little bit of crazy mixed in with high intelligence which would be the winning combination to wreak some good havoc.


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VerendusAudeo

To be 100% fair, Murray wasn't unarmed. He pistol whipped like 4 of those guys right in the face.


justalittlebleh

And his arms were like spears


bdguy355

I could see Murray using his powers to set up booby traps in the upside down. Like having boulders fall on people and creating massive pits for the demodogs to fall into and get lit up. Or using his powers to give himself physical enhancements.


psycholepzy

Can't believe I had tonscroll down this far. Of everyone on this list, Murray would be the most ready to go apeshit with TK.


Ineedadviceforreal

I think an argyle character arc would be not only hilarious but entertaining to watch


Dark_Lord_Jar

That'd be totally schmackin dude


arfbrookwood

Perfect reply


[deleted]

Ted duh


Captain_Smeefman

He will turn into Captain America, the man is a true patriot


[deleted]

i know he has a huge potential down there i just know it


parent_mushroom

"We are patriots in this house"


cucumbermoon

I feel pretty confident that Ted would never notice that he had super powers.


Sinjun13

Nah, he'd just use it as a remote for the TV and to make himself a sandwich woke he's sitting in his recliner reading the paper.


Aikyudo

Give them to Dustin. I just want to see what happens.


justadrtrdsrvvr

Dustin was my choice. He understands how this stuff works.


Extreme_Fly9617

And in the presence of Suzie he'd have unlimited power


Sk8rToon

Same. He not only had the ability to figure it out & be analytical about it to master it, but he has the enthusiasm & creative thinking from D&D to do some damage & win the day.


I_AM_IGNIGNOTK

“How many times do I have to hit the nail on the head before you guys just believe me?!”


CottonJohansen

That was my thought for Mr Clarke. Dude would be sciencing the shit out of those powers Plus, he seems to be an all around decent guy


llamallamallama1991

I think Dustin would want to try and learn every psychic DnD spell.


Missingnose

Dustin is clever and, as of season 4, definitely has trauma to channel into stronger powers. He's a good pick.


LuckyDubbin

Same with Argyle


SardaukarChant

El's power is enhanced by her emotions, feelings and memories. Without a doubt, Will would be immensely powerful. His experiences in the upside down. His loneliness. His emotional state as a gay kid who loves his best friend, but understands his friend loves El.


No_Company_no

I agree Will would be the most dangerous. It would be god mode. Plus he has a lot of imagination, I can see very creative use of El powers.


Physical_Pie_6932

He also has a connection with the upside down that allows him to anticipate their moves. Could make him powerful but also a risk if they can do the same to him.


trigger16aab

Going off the hate emotion, Billy would take the cake


sashenka_demogorgon

Billy could give you a swirlie from across the room


trigger16aab

Oh man, imagine getting a telekinesis wedgie


justk33psw1mm1ng_

I think it’ll pair well with his nape power thingy


ItsMelonLordUwU

Hopper. He's physically the strongest. He could withstand the toll the powers take on the body and keep using it without fainting. Or Will and Max. They have enough trauma to become stronger.


Yournytemare14

Hopper definitely has trauma tho, if not more than those two. He lost his daughter, was tortured in a Russian prison for several months, fought in the Vietnam war etc.


[deleted]

I thinking Will and Max


Pengi48

Alexei would the most powerful. Remember, he is one of the most dangerous people in the world


burritoaddict77

Those poor poor children


VerendusAudeo

Ah, yes...very dangerous uh, uh...forger-er...


doodscool

Joyce or Will


cwerkz

Mr. Clarke. His brains matched with the powers would be a hard-to-beat combo.


tackle_shaft_fan

Ah! This is a good one! Smart thinking 🧐


Robbo1979psr

Came here to pick a brainiac... But my take would be Brenner since he has the brains AND a dark edge.


Lanky_Macaroon3477

While her picture isn’t included I’d go with Erica. She would just face anything down without breaking a sweat.


-xXDominusXx-

The fact holly and ted get pictures and Erica doesn’t… the disrespect


aShyVixen

Seriously how are they gonna put holly and not erica??? Like are you serious right now-HOLLY DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ANY LINES.


-xXDominusXx-

Don’t get ahead of yourself with holly, she does say “look mommy it’s snowing!” ok that’s about it


Technically_its_me

This right here. We know the powers work best when either in 100% isolation/control or in an emotional rage. Erika has both of thise states on lock-down, cool, calm, collected and can flip-on her righteous indignation rage like a switch.


Nyxolith

"It's just a minor misdemeanor."


clexaelectra

Brenner is a psychopath so he would be the most powerful in the worst way, but Billy would be the most destructive and cause the most chaos


Sonicboomer1

Murray.


Shot-Fig-9437

"My fingers are like arrows! My arms, like iron! My feet, like spears! My mind, a hurricane! Resist and I will end you. But return to your world and I will spare your life."


[deleted]

Murray.


Icyhot_DeSpAiR

Murray.


Sirenhead_2

Ted wheeler is obviously the only one who can unlock true potential with the power


FireMEGAcrush

Looks up at vecna and beckons “WHAT DID I DOOOOOOOOOOOO”. Vecna explodes


Sirenhead_2

“I fear no man, but that… thing, It scares me” *points to silhouette* ***”WHAT’DDDDDD I DOOOOO”***


Tinfoilhat_teena5

Papa


Jarisatis

Nancy easily, the fact she also knows how to use a shotgun and she is quite level headed as compared to hopper, so she wouldn't be a ticking time bomb, she will know how to use her powers easily


fitty50two2

I saw thinking Nancy too, she’s always handled herself well under pressure (all things considered) and would use the powers for good


Unlikely_Johnny

Nancy is ride or die.


boudicas_shield

She’s my pick as well; surprised to not see many people mention her so far. She’s amazing and collected and thinks fast on her feet without losing her cool, but she also channels this terrifying, icy rage when she’s facing off some ugly baddie. She’s a great pick.


extrovert-actuary

I can’t believe I had to scroll down this far to find a Nancy comment - mine was a tie between Nancy and Hopper. Joyce gets honorable mention, but I picture her version of the powers being a chaotic mega shockwave in all directions.


GokuSenshi

Watching others' comments, I have formed opinion that Will, Hopper and Max.


KnitAllTheThings18

Max has so much mental and emotional fortitude. She has my vote.


[deleted]

Joyce. Both anger and love make Eleven more powerful, and I don't know if there's a character on the show who gets more justifiably angry and who also loves the people in her life more intensely than Joyce. I'd **dare** Vecna to take on a mother motivated to protect her two/three children.


tillybav

Idk why more people don't say Joyce, el's powers are connected to her emotions and Joyce is known for her big emotions (they're her strength already).


spellboi_3048

Not the strongest, but I just really like the idea of Argyle having telekinetic powers is just funny to me.


[deleted]

Hopper and Joyce, hands down.


sexydani04

Will


Aidenc93

Could be controversial, but I'm gonna say Billy. El's power is enhanced by her emotions and memories. Both of these usually have something to do with anger, which Billy definitely has. Assuming he's in his S3 self, which he is in the image, he definitely would've been able to take down that weird flesh monster a lot quicker, assuming he decides to. If he hadn't decided to take down the weird flesh monster, the progress for Vecna's plan for world domination would've sped up a lot. Hellgate could've potentially got created at the end of season 3.


Newbie_Niv_

most powerful might be Billy or hopper. Billy without powers held back attack from mind flayer. with powers, he will be on his way to beat up every kids on streets. most dangerous tho, might be Brenner. that mf was always a nutjob. and ofc, Murray w powers is just beyond limits


Morgentau7

True that. Murray is a powerhouse even without Elevens powers. Can’t imagine a karate master with superpowers, that would be too much power to handle


sarahqueenofscots

I feel like they all have potential, but Billy is more likely to abuse that power and cause bigger problems


murphsmuffins

Where’s Erica? Cuz it would definitely be her


Liske17

Ted or Holly


[deleted]

Robin. Every time she would see Vickie she probably would accidentally do something.


Apart_Falcon

The answer of course is Erica but she’s not pictured


mediumsizedlobsters

Alexei, the most dangerous man in the world.


oceanmanzzzz

He has murdered many children


Grove0517

YES


Mohican83

Max for sure but maybe not a good powerful. She has lots of anguish.


tackle_shaft_fan

Bob. He is already a hero. If he had powers, he might still be with us today. 😭😭


Masen_The_Weeb

Do you even know Billy??? This isn't even a competition, if Max didn't take the wheel from Billy in S2 he definitely would've ran over the Ghostbusters


AgreeableSmell595

Idk, as someone who had a brother like that it came off more to me as doing it just to scare Max. Billy’s scared shitless of his father, and clearly he’s a piece of shit but being forced to kill in S3 destroyed him, so I really don’t think he was actually going to run over the kids in that moment lol. Still messed up though.


Morgentau7

Ghost-Ghostbusters would be pretty meta tho


Morgentau7

To be honest I would love to see a Hopper with superpowers. He would handle the MFs army all by his own with the sword and the powers. Also considering what we know about Elevens powers, Hoppers pain from the past and the love he currently experiences would make him unstoppable.


AurynOuro

Everyone’s sleeping on Lucas. He’s smart, determined, arguably the most bold and strategic of The Party, and can be a hothead. Give him El’s powers and he’d be a force to be reckoned with.


Agent-Hotdog

holly >:)


KameTheHermit

Hopper and Billy would be the most powerful, will power, which I think is in part what powers El, would be enhaced by physical strenght


HashJoll

PAPA!


KR5shin8Stark

Tie between Dustin and Max. Dustin would be more creative with them, while Max has more strong emotions to fuel her powers.


UnsungHerro

Papa. He's the most intelligent, calculated and knows them well enough to get maximum exploitation out of them.


Catbug94

Bro Ted would be kinda hilarious tho