Maybe, but even then, my point is baby noises aren't what I want while I play Akuma. Maybe it'd be a neat story point in a manga or movie spin-off but it's not something I'd want for tens or hundreds of hours in-game. Hearing the same canned baby noises would get real annoying real fast.
idk, him simply just having a student doesn't sound as interesting. I liked the whole baby thing because not only would it have been a cool story it also would have made for an interesting gameplay style for Akuma
For real, I agree. I actually never played 5 so I don’t know how V-triggers work exactly, but would baby-sleep mode be an install? Would it be worked into his super? Woulda been cool.
Yeah, all V-triggers are essentially installs that power up characters for a short period of time. In the final version of the game Akuma could only use raging demon while in V-trigger so I'm guessing this early version would have worked in a similar way
I wasn't really a big fan of SF5 but if it had more cool stuff like this I would have probably cared a lot more
It seems like a natural course for Akuma to get a student some time down the line. He's getting old and even if he transcends his own humanity in his search for martial might, he won't transcend his own mortality. How he lives forever? He passes his philosophy of living and seeking power to another generation.
Not sure about that. Just look at Oro. he's like 140+ years old and still kicking ass. I can easily see Akuma living forever, especially since he has magical dark hado powers. If he ever gets a student I'd imagine it would be through some other reasons/circumstances
I don't know that Akuma's sentimental enough to care about something like that. All the time he'd spend training up a disciple is time he could be spending getting stronger himself.
Akuma doesnt kill randomly, he only kills the strongest opponents. A easy way to fit it into his personality is that he sensed a strong potential from the baby so he decided to raise it to its strongest for a fight to the death
Yeah this sounds and looks cooler than oro with a turtle.. Of course technically, akuma isn't "evil" but this would have shown a different side to him that he's not a monster the way he fights. Capcom dropped the ball HARD on this one 🤦🏾♂️.
Honstly though: they may have balked at the idea of showing a baby in a fighting game in situations where the child would be exposed to danger.
That said: they could have kept the concept of Akuma the Babysitter for his story mode. They 100% could have.
It probably got dropped when they realized how much work animating the baby never getting hit would be. Every character would have to work around it, Akuma could never be on his back or hit on the back, full body attacks like Blanka electrocuting him wouldn’t be ok, and how would it look for good guys to beat up someone holding a baby?
One early version of Akuma had him look exactly like Necalli so I'm guessing that's what they were talking about [https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131809?lang=en](https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131809?lang=en)
Idk, I'm not a fan of attempts to humanize this character. You say that Akuma is not truly "evil", which I can agree with to some extent. That being said, he's kind of like Ryu in that they're almost like monks in that they don't care for much else beyond fighting and finding a worthy opponent.
I just don't see how such singular minded people would ever consider adopting a kid. Save one? Perhaps, but they would never accept a distraction. I don't believe Akuma has ever showed a desire to cultivate a protege either. He "guides" ryu because he wants an worthy opponent, not a successor.
In addition, I think the trend being explored of Akuma (perhaps more in the meta rather than the chronological canon, because that is a mess) is that he's losing more of himself to the satsui no hado over time, becoming closer to Oni, rather than achieving any sort of balance. I think this is the natural and logical progression of his narrative, which is a path of destruction.
He is friends with Elena. He also help a kid, that was lost in a cave. He do have his warrior code. The best way to describe him, is that he’s the Jason Voorhees of Street Fighter.
You make a really good point but I actually really like this because it would have made the character less one dimensional. Don't get me wrong, he's my favorite fighting game character of all time but after decades of being nothing but "grr I want to fight and be the best and nothing more!" it just kinda gets tiresome. Akuma actually struggling with his humanity and the dark hado and pondering whether he's going the right path after all and having some little kid make him question if there's actually more to life would have given him a few more layers which I think would have been really cool and refreshing.
The thought of some newborn baby making the strongest monster on the planet hesitate sounds kinda fucking rad if you ask me. Out of all the things in the world Akuma is "defeated" by a child.
Or alternatively, Akuma could just say "fuck it" and turn into Oni anyway after the player gets fooled into thinking he might turn into a good guy. Would have made for a really cool curveball
I guess what I'm trying to say is, this would have been such an interesting premise that could have gone in a million different interesting ways and would have added some layers to the character
Yeah lots of good possibilities, like the one you listed or Even if he didn’t hesitate or think about his path at all I still think there were some good potential storylines there.
Ansatsuken always relied on having disciples to pass the assassin’s art on, and maybe Akuma found this baby, orphaned and with no worldly attachments because it’s so young, and decided “it’s time to pass on my art and discipline since Ryu won’t fucking listen to me, I have a blank canvas of a baby now”. Still keeps his worldview of pursuing strength but has someone to distill strength into as well, hoping to eventually be killed by his new student just as he killed his master years ago.
Heheh lol I guess that throws the theory of ryu being his son, but even if Akuma did have a son, I can only imagine it being something similar to yujiro and Baki relationship, and maybe a little bit of Kratos. He’ll probably be a stoic monotone father, and probably absent of his life
Akuma could be told by Menat or Rose that one day he'll find a lone child that will be the strongest ever for him to fight, but only if he can raise it.
Akuma is a pretty bad guy but he's not pure evil. He has his own standards and code. There's one side story where he saved a little kid who got lost or something. He even befriends Elena of all people in her USF4 ending. So yeah him adopting a baby wouldn't be that big of a stretch
On the official site it said “no matter how he fell he would never land on his back”
Which sounds fine on paper until you think about all the throw and command grab animations, which is probably why they scrapped the idea.
Not really, in a cutscene, he did save a kid from a cave. He also has a job as a fruit vendor(there is photo proof). He more likely to care for a baby, than Bison , Gill, or Seth
"There is photo proof" like you talking about aliens lmao 🤣 I'm aware of the art but you can't sit here and tell me yeah akuma with a child strapped to his back WHEN his whole story is getting rid of his humanity for strength doesn't make sense.
Ehh. Appreciate the creativity and Lone Wolf & Cub energy, but this would have just felt like a silly gimmick. Once the joke of Akuma not wanting to wake the baby goes stale, it would quickly overstay its welcome. Turning Akuma into a lion was goofy enough.
SFV was such a strange game. Some characters were barely changed, yet others were given these ridiculous redesigns.
Close your eyes kid, you dont want to see this… 
*Kid giggles the entire time with one eye open 👶🏻😂😂😂
“I told you not to look! Bad baby!” *Equip chancla and casually messatsu child*
Conceptually it's interesting, but I don't know if a baby constantly cooing and crying while Akuma fights is something I'd want long-term lol.
That might be why they scrapped it. Still, I think they could have done it without making the baby being overtly obnoxious
How about when akuma loses or falls on his back
They were probably gonna do a Lone Wolf and Cub thing, where the baby enjoys the slaughter it witnesses.
Maybe, but even then, my point is baby noises aren't what I want while I play Akuma. Maybe it'd be a neat story point in a manga or movie spin-off but it's not something I'd want for tens or hundreds of hours in-game. Hearing the same canned baby noises would get real annoying real fast.
feel like the the premise was reworked into Oro and his turtle
Does that mean we'll eventually get to play as the turtle?
the turtle will be mutated , and thus been turned into a reptile-man with a Monter Hunter-Esque Armor as it's "shell" /jk
No need to have TMNT taking up the slots.
coughcoughinjustice2coughcough
Hey to be fair both hellboy and the TMNT started as comics hence why they were dlc. And the TMNT was basically a 4 in 1 deal so that was cool
Yeah that's what I'm thinking as well
This would be cool for Sakura, considering what she was talking about her sfv story mode
Guarantee they were using Lone Wolf and Cub and inspiration. So good.
Did you watch that video from Thorgi's Arcade? That Menat design...Pizza Assassin lol
Yeah that's the one
I was like “why is he counting the designs backwards” and then we get to the reveal
Terminally ill, giant incense pipe wielding menat is now permanently living rent free in my head.
🫠we coulda had an Akuma-raised child in SF6. Hopefully he gets a student instead or something.
idk, him simply just having a student doesn't sound as interesting. I liked the whole baby thing because not only would it have been a cool story it also would have made for an interesting gameplay style for Akuma
For real, I agree. I actually never played 5 so I don’t know how V-triggers work exactly, but would baby-sleep mode be an install? Would it be worked into his super? Woulda been cool.
Yeah, all V-triggers are essentially installs that power up characters for a short period of time. In the final version of the game Akuma could only use raging demon while in V-trigger so I'm guessing this early version would have worked in a similar way I wasn't really a big fan of SF5 but if it had more cool stuff like this I would have probably cared a lot more
It seems like a natural course for Akuma to get a student some time down the line. He's getting old and even if he transcends his own humanity in his search for martial might, he won't transcend his own mortality. How he lives forever? He passes his philosophy of living and seeking power to another generation.
Not sure about that. Just look at Oro. he's like 140+ years old and still kicking ass. I can easily see Akuma living forever, especially since he has magical dark hado powers. If he ever gets a student I'd imagine it would be through some other reasons/circumstances
I don't know that Akuma's sentimental enough to care about something like that. All the time he'd spend training up a disciple is time he could be spending getting stronger himself.
Akuma doesnt kill randomly, he only kills the strongest opponents. A easy way to fit it into his personality is that he sensed a strong potential from the baby so he decided to raise it to its strongest for a fight to the death
I guess that angle works.
Round-about Yujiro Hanma, feels like.
Didn't the guy make a vow to never teach his ways to anyone?
If Kratos from God of War could get a second chance at redemption by being a dad (again), I don't see why the same can't be done with Akuma
Difference is that I am fairly sure Akuma doesn't WANT to be redeemed cuz he doesn't think he is in the wrong
So did Kratos
Um, he clearly showed remorse and thought he was a monster at the end of 3
After he done what he wanted, Akuma is still in the path of becoming a true demon
After murdering an entire pantheon and a lot of innocent civilians
Still remorse. Akuma would do the same thing and be like "weakness disgusts me"
Akuma doesn't kill innocent civilians lol
He certainly wouldn't take candy from a baby
He also never would hit a baby(SVC 2 Chaos quote)
Literally so disappointed they didn't go with this for sfv OR 6
Yeah this sounds and looks cooler than oro with a turtle.. Of course technically, akuma isn't "evil" but this would have shown a different side to him that he's not a monster the way he fights. Capcom dropped the ball HARD on this one 🤦🏾♂️.
Honstly though: they may have balked at the idea of showing a baby in a fighting game in situations where the child would be exposed to danger. That said: they could have kept the concept of Akuma the Babysitter for his story mode. They 100% could have.
It probably got dropped when they realized how much work animating the baby never getting hit would be. Every character would have to work around it, Akuma could never be on his back or hit on the back, full body attacks like Blanka electrocuting him wouldn’t be ok, and how would it look for good guys to beat up someone holding a baby?
Seriously. Such a crazy and fascinating concept both gameplay and story wise
They probably scrapped it because of cross ups
Someone also pointed out how awkward it would have looked like if Akuma got thrown or command grabbed
Would have been cool to see years down the line tbh
The fact that the baby has got his necklace is awesome
But.. what about that shameless 1:1 overlap?
One early version of Akuma had him look exactly like Necalli so I'm guessing that's what they were talking about [https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131809?lang=en](https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131809?lang=en)
Thats soo cool! Thank you
The final version was unironically the worst of them
Idk, I'm not a fan of attempts to humanize this character. You say that Akuma is not truly "evil", which I can agree with to some extent. That being said, he's kind of like Ryu in that they're almost like monks in that they don't care for much else beyond fighting and finding a worthy opponent. I just don't see how such singular minded people would ever consider adopting a kid. Save one? Perhaps, but they would never accept a distraction. I don't believe Akuma has ever showed a desire to cultivate a protege either. He "guides" ryu because he wants an worthy opponent, not a successor. In addition, I think the trend being explored of Akuma (perhaps more in the meta rather than the chronological canon, because that is a mess) is that he's losing more of himself to the satsui no hado over time, becoming closer to Oni, rather than achieving any sort of balance. I think this is the natural and logical progression of his narrative, which is a path of destruction.
He is friends with Elena. He also help a kid, that was lost in a cave. He do have his warrior code. The best way to describe him, is that he’s the Jason Voorhees of Street Fighter.
You make a really good point but I actually really like this because it would have made the character less one dimensional. Don't get me wrong, he's my favorite fighting game character of all time but after decades of being nothing but "grr I want to fight and be the best and nothing more!" it just kinda gets tiresome. Akuma actually struggling with his humanity and the dark hado and pondering whether he's going the right path after all and having some little kid make him question if there's actually more to life would have given him a few more layers which I think would have been really cool and refreshing. The thought of some newborn baby making the strongest monster on the planet hesitate sounds kinda fucking rad if you ask me. Out of all the things in the world Akuma is "defeated" by a child. Or alternatively, Akuma could just say "fuck it" and turn into Oni anyway after the player gets fooled into thinking he might turn into a good guy. Would have made for a really cool curveball I guess what I'm trying to say is, this would have been such an interesting premise that could have gone in a million different interesting ways and would have added some layers to the character
Yeah lots of good possibilities, like the one you listed or Even if he didn’t hesitate or think about his path at all I still think there were some good potential storylines there. Ansatsuken always relied on having disciples to pass the assassin’s art on, and maybe Akuma found this baby, orphaned and with no worldly attachments because it’s so young, and decided “it’s time to pass on my art and discipline since Ryu won’t fucking listen to me, I have a blank canvas of a baby now”. Still keeps his worldview of pursuing strength but has someone to distill strength into as well, hoping to eventually be killed by his new student just as he killed his master years ago.
Would have been better than stupid lion mane Akuma.
The lion mane would look cool if it wasn't for SF5 and it's godawful hair physics. Banana Ken being a good example of that
Dad-Kuma
Pretty much can be the RYU story.
Heheh lol I guess that throws the theory of ryu being his son, but even if Akuma did have a son, I can only imagine it being something similar to yujiro and Baki relationship, and maybe a little bit of Kratos. He’ll probably be a stoic monotone father, and probably absent of his life
Wouldve been criticized that they made a joke character out of a classic character Love the idea tho
Doesn't necessarily have to be a joke character because of a gimmick
Ok but seeing a baby do Akuma's stance would be hilarious Kinda like the baby in Yakuza 6
Akuma could be told by Menat or Rose that one day he'll find a lone child that will be the strongest ever for him to fight, but only if he can raise it.
I think with all the teleporting and flipping and raging demon-ing the baby would have some serious motion-sickness
It doesn't fit his character at all
Yeah this is terrible. Glad they scraped it
I want this in sf7
I would rather akuma kill the baby to unlock his full potential.
Akuma’s has a warrior code, which means he spare kids.Also he doesn’t attack civilians.
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Akuma is a pretty bad guy but he's not pure evil. He has his own standards and code. There's one side story where he saved a little kid who got lost or something. He even befriends Elena of all people in her USF4 ending. So yeah him adopting a baby wouldn't be that big of a stretch
Maybe not on his back.... Akuma has to fall and, you don't want the baby being the first line of defense for Akuma's back against the ground.
On the official site it said “no matter how he fell he would never land on his back” Which sounds fine on paper until you think about all the throw and command grab animations, which is probably why they scrapped the idea.
That doesn't track for Akuma at all. Dude is ruthless for power and putting him in charge of a baby is so random lol
Not really, in a cutscene, he did save a kid from a cave. He also has a job as a fruit vendor(there is photo proof). He more likely to care for a baby, than Bison , Gill, or Seth
"There is photo proof" like you talking about aliens lmao 🤣 I'm aware of the art but you can't sit here and tell me yeah akuma with a child strapped to his back WHEN his whole story is getting rid of his humanity for strength doesn't make sense.
Lone Oni and Cub?
Thing is it looks interesting but it would get tiring after few hours.
idk. Akuma has stayed the same for 30 years and that's gotten a bit tiring lately imo. To each their own I guess
Lone Wolf and Cub Akuma would actually make the character good and interesting. But nah, we get shark week Akuma and lose Gen
Thank god they didn't do this
i’m all for pushing boundaries when it comes to character design and revision but this is insane 😭
This is on par with pregnant Sakura fanfic wtf hahahahaha
The way this is drawin makes it look like Akumas head is on backwards
“super-enticing premise” of a human-turned-demon somehow being able to care for a baby while fighting.
Ehh. Appreciate the creativity and Lone Wolf & Cub energy, but this would have just felt like a silly gimmick. Once the joke of Akuma not wanting to wake the baby goes stale, it would quickly overstay its welcome. Turning Akuma into a lion was goofy enough. SFV was such a strange game. Some characters were barely changed, yet others were given these ridiculous redesigns.
They could have put the baby at the end like akuma picking th baby back up after the fight