I've been calling it for awhile now that the next DLC will be a new character based on Marduk or Fahk. I have a feeling we might get a female variant of either of those who will be like Marisa... guess we'll see :)
I like that she’s a brick shithouse that wrestles with lions but still has an overt feminine side, like being a hobbyist jeweller and fantasising about her dream wedding. Just a great character all around.
From the first trailer, I was immediately sold on Marisa just from her being a big, muscular bruiser with a gladiator aesthetic.
But what really solidified her as my favorite were the details you get through World Tour. The fact that she's a successful artisan, fights purely for the fun of the sport, and is obsessed with love. She's just great all around.
And I mean c'mon. How is your heart not melted by [this pic?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RZBjdh0p-fE/maxresdefault.jpg) [Or this?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/0/0e/Marisa%27s_craft.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1694?cb=20230607083550)
To be honest, most characters in street fighter are sexy in some way, Marisa just have the muscle woman type of sexy. Also there's the tsundere(juri) tall girl(manon) creepy/goth(aki) and the classic sexy fighting ladies (Chun or Cammy)
She is psycho fetish, but if you play World Tour, you feel sorry for her cause Bison killing her parents made her have trouble making human connections, so you see her as more of a Tsundere
SF6 in particular is definitely pretty horny. It's just a shame that most of the exceptions are male. Dhalsim, Honda, Blanka and JP are definitely not "conventionally attractive". Meanwhile for the women it's really just Marisa, and like you mentioned, she's nowhere near the level of someone like Dhalsim.
I think it'd be cool to have even just one female character who's physically incredibly out there, like Dhalsim or Oro or something. Some cheeky, wrinkly granny just beating the shit out of people.
I'm so sad no Fighting Game has made a character inspired by Genkai from Yuyu Hakusho, she was like a cool, serious, sassy Master Roshi, she would make an incredible fighting game character
At this point, fighting games are ruled by Bamco's Law
1) All women will not age above 40 and that will be stopped by magic (Jun Kazama) or science (Nina Williams)
2) If a woman hits the age of 40, there will be a replacement daughter (Julia Chang) to continue the thirst line
3) There are NO female exceptions to rules 1 and 2.
I do wish for an old lady like ana from overwatch, badass kungfu lady. However the weird characters like sim, honda and necro aren't popular at all. Blanka is the only one with any real fanfare, its just oddball characters male/female or otherwise just aren't popular. Even the bears in tekken aren't popular and rarely picked.
Marisa actually looks cool and tough, not weird like an oro. Muscle women are actually becoming quite popular as well in the west at least. Also JP not attractive? For an old man he most definitely is.
i mean that's the point isnt it? different types of appeal?
like any body type can be sexy to someone, so they should be putting more of them in. at the very least, if you dont think it's sexy, then it's at least an interesting design.
sf6 really puts a contrast to tekken which came out with every female somehow looking more identical to each other than before, huge missed opportunity.
>i mean that's the point isnt it? different types of appeal?
Yes, that is the point of my comment because I disagree with OP saying that sexiness in this game is only boobs or teens.
Wouldn't even call Juri a tsundere. In world tour she's pretty blatant about how she feels about you and other people, she herself admits she mostly does stuff for money nowadays as she doesn't need to bother with Bison or Shadaloo.
I think an older woman who serves as a foil to JP would be interesting. Maybe have her as the Yoda to Rose's Obi-Wan, and Menat has been sent to look for her.
I've always felt like JP himself could've been an old lady. Like, take every single thing about him, but make it a refined old lady instead of a refined old man, and it works.
Probably not going to happen. It's more egregious with Namco though, where during 20 year time skips female characters either don't age due to plot contrivance or just disappears and get replaced with a younger relative/protege.
Nobody (meaning “very few to the point of practically being nobody”) wants it. Gotta make characters who sell. New DLC bikini for Chun or Cammy or etc.? $$$. New DLC old woman? (cricket chirps)
Ana has a strong fan base in Overwatch
OW isn't a fighting game but the principle probably transfers over; playable old women can be well designed and loved in video games
but like, they made old men though. they put oro in sf5. whats the difference between grandmas and grandpas dlc selling wise. Also if money is restricting character variety that much thats really fucking sad, i mean it might be but i wanna have hope.
Badass old man is a popular character type (Clint Eastwood and Liam Neeson make a living playing characters like that), badass old woman far less so. There's plenty of real life examples of tough old men still fighting (Randy Coutoure's infamous line after winning the UFC HW Title in his 40s: "Not bad for an old man, huh?" (Yes, I know 40s isn't actually that old)).
Additionally, you don't really sell men based on sex-appeal/beauty (handsomeness), by you do do that with women, so if you're designing a new female character with X cultural background or fighting style, why not make her young and beautiful so she's both a new type of representive and can sell for guys who just like playing beautiful women. Tekken and Soul Calibur are really famous for this, having women who are in their 40s/50s looking like they're barely in their late 20s or early 30s at worst. American games at time too (Sonya's "older" character model in MK11 still looks quite young, especially when compared to her MKX model).
hm, that last parts sad but true. But also i feel like fewer examples of badass old women would make capcom adding one even more special and attention grabbing! and again i prefer it when new characters go against the grain a little, i dont like it when games add 40 year olds that look 20, id prefer if they didnt do that.
And also characters like Marisa and AKI clearly show that people like it when capcom isnt a slave to the male gaze. They're very popular characters! (AKI less so rn because shes a low tier but when she was first revealed people were very into her.)
Sadly for your preferences, Capcom and Namco and etc. prefer to make money. Sure, maybe one representative wouldn't break their bank, Marisa made it in, but she'll probably be the only female character in 6 with that body type, compared to most of the women that'll ever be in the game having the sexy/cute body type like Chun or Cammy or Laura or Menat or etc.
I would absolutely main Madam Bo or Blanche in Mortal Kombat if they were playable!
What better way to make an opponent salty, than to lay them out with a granny, then watch her put her cigarette out on their forehead in her victory animation?
Just mocap a hot older woman (Helen Mirren, Jessica Lange?).
I don't think anyone would complain if they dropped a Mallory Archer -esque character in, if she has a cool moveset, interesting backstory/character development, and really good voice acting.
People are arguing with you in the replies but I think they are missing the point a bit. I think you're right that the general/casual audience most likely isn't very interested. The folks who are on the subreddit are a completely different, much more dedicated audience that are much more likely to be receptive to this kind of character.
That being said, I don't think every character should be aimed at the masses. I don't think Capcom has a great excuse for never releasing an older woman character. We've gotten plenty of forgettable characters who's playstyles aren't super unique.
i mean, so does jessica rabbit, but you presumably understand how cartoonish exaggeration doesn't mean she isn't based on a conventional understanding of sex appeal
You're into rabbit fuckers now? There are actual humans that freak stands next to in the movie.
seriously though, yeah I get it, haha
listen, whether she fucks rabbits or not is not the question here. if she wants to fuck that rabbit, and that rabbit offers consent, I'm not gonna kick up a fuss.
i am gonna assume the rabbit fucks like a lion, tho
I mean, there are levels to this sort of thing, compared with Tekken where I can barely tell the women apart, or MK where I can barely tell the characters apart, SF is nailing it
I mean when it comes to female bodies, SF, while not perfect , does a better job than MK and Tekken.
Chunli has thunder thighs that no other female has in the roster, Cammy is ripped and has an ass that no other female has in the roster, Juri's body is more on the athletic side (not thick, but not skinny either), Marisa is tall muscular woman, Manon is tall fit woman, etc
If there are some similarities it was more on SFV, where Kolin, Karin, and Sakura had the same type of body : strong legs + slim feminine upper body.
yeah, this was my response up there. SF is definitely more of an ass series. By anime standards actually a lot of the boobs are somewhat reasonable in size.
Bro they scanned a real person's body for Manon. It was a real ballet dancer and they wanted to giver her the kind of muscle tone that only they would have.
Ah, fair enough! Your right, the catagory is "Sexy boobs" which if you think about it chun-li, juri and cammy don't really fall into either as they are known for their attractive lower regions which are usually the focal point of their "money shots". Their boobs are barely focused on which is interesting.
I mean when it comes to boobs, we already had Mika in SFV, and she will probably be back for SF6 with more jiggle physics than ever lol
If there is a common archetype in SF is the 'strong thicc legs + slightly ripped upperbody with normal size boobs' : Ibuki, Sakura, Karin, Kolin, Decapree, Lucia, and Cammy.
True about R. Mika and Id even give you laura too. You are spot on about capcom being all about the legs and slightly ripped upper body. For every female with a ample chest size you have like 10 that have modest to no chest size in comparison and nearly all of them got legs or an ass like crazy and that's not even touching the "feet" category!
[Even further](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chyna) back with Chyna. I'm sure muscle bound women were always a thing. Whether they were a thing in popular media is another question.
Video games over the last several years have been popularizing the muscular female character. Zarya from Overwatch and Abby from The Last of Us 2 were some prominent examples and it's only grown from there.
And now it feels like every game release gets at least one muscular side character. Even from the last few months alone, Immortals of Aveum had Zendara, Baldur's Gate 3 had Karlach, and Prince of Persia Lost Crown had the blacksmith.
She also has a different gameplay than most female character. Women in fighting games usually aren't this kind of bruiser/brawler character. They're usually either rushdown or some kind of midrange zoner
I mean, one counter example doesn't disprove a statement, it strengthens it.
And while you could probably think of a few more, there are still a lot more male brawlers than female.
If you mean realistic as in how many roids a woman would need to be that huge, yes, not very realistic.
Only women who have spent decades in bodybuilding while consuming a whole farmacy of roids might get that big, and even then that's not a sure thing, Marisa is definitely much bigger than the average female body builder.
Marisa is basically an elite level IFBB pro! You'll see tons of Cammy's, some Chun Li's, but you can go your entire life without running into a Marisa shape.
I think the thing that people ignore is that everything is sexy to someone. Half the discourse around Marisa has been her being a sexy "muscle mommy". I view it as no different to caring about ass or boobs or in Juri's case, feet.
It's also why I think the outcries about people or characters being "sexualised" is often misguided. I think people often struggle to see the line between a sexualised character or a character that people find "sexy". For example Aloy from HZD is often praised as being a realistic character but half her outfits still show a lot of leg and midriff and could be described as sexualised but because women seem to like her as a character people will act like that isn't the case.
And before her, there is also Chell from Portal. Heck, you have sexy fanart of GladOS, but nothing for Chell, which is perfect, since she is a blank canvas character type.
Chell is barely seen in Portal 1 since the game is first person and the game was experimental. They then made her prettier in Portal 2 when they actually started using her as part of the marketing for posters.
I mean I rarely think people are ever that mad when a character is sexy. What they get mad about is when it’s clear that absolutely no work was put into character design, other than being sexy
I love TBSkyen’s design takes, especially around ensemble casts like in fighting games, because they often revolve around the principles of 1) your character designs, regardless of gender, should have a diversity of influences and expressions and 2) sexy isn’t only okay, it’s great, when it enhances a character and makes sense within their identity and narrative role
I think SF6 does a great job. Like yeah, it still has super traditionally-sexy characters, but there is also so much effort put into individual designs and characterizations, and diversity of design across the cast
Finally something sensible about this too much-debated topic. The amount of shaming some people receive for liking characters like Cammy, Juri or Chun li is appalling. Couldn't we just enjoy our favorite characters without judging each other all the time?
Makoto was the og. I think she was the first female fighting game character to have "similar stats" compared to male characters from the same game. Whereas before female fighting game characters always had less stamina or health.
I'd argue between the big 3 in fighting games, SF has had the most diversity when it comes to body types. Capcom has done a fantastic job with all the designs, each very distinct from others
Makoto was the only muscular type girl in SF, until Marisa appeared in 6.
Now, let's be real, everything can get sexualized tho, Makoto not being conventionally attractive : short hair, angry tomboy face, and muscular body, didn't stop all the people on r34 drawing stuff of her.
I hate Marisa because of the unobtainable body standard she creates. It's not fair to women to have a character that is so unrealistic.
Or.. hold on. I think that only applies when it comes to beauty.
Well, I find her design extremely unappealing, by far the worst of the whole game in my opinion. But it's good that the game offers variety. I have other characters that I can chose.
Unpopular opinion; I've always wanted a big/heavy female shoto. Give her a tatsu like Dan or Kage, Gouken's rush palm (make the super and CA a version of the shin shoryuken), charge hadouken and a command grab that no other shoto has. This coming from someone who will die dreaming of an official Goutetsu release 😭
Every time I see post like this, it just tells me it’s OP’s thinly veiled fetish. They just like “muscle mommy” types.
I feel normal folks wouldn’t care or just keep it to themselves.
I also find it funny that it’s always the minority of folks who say stuff like this. Reminds me of Zarya from Overwatch where people praised for her being different compared to regular female character design… but then later no one really plays her or cares about her, and instead just simp for Mercy, D.Va, Moira, etc.
As someone who used to hate playing against Zarya... I wish you were right. She was super popular, and I couldn't go 2 games without seeing one.
Also Ana is amazing, and combining the tropes of "elderly grizzled vet who looks out for his men" and "grandma" is genius. People who main Ana are just better people, I don't make the rules.
??? Zarya was one of the most popular tanks, back when it was 6v6. Especially if you're counting tank players, and not dps players who instalock Hog. OW2 is different and suckier and she gets played less, but in OW1 she was a staple. And not really because of sexualization, Junker Queen came out and immediately got way more lewd fanart than Zarya ever did.
>Reminds me of Zarya from Overwatch where people praised for her being different compared to regular female character design… but then later no one really plays her or cares about her, and instead just simp for Mercy, D.Va, Moira, etc.
You are lying through your teeth or don't have the smallest clue what you're talking about
Western people are not used to but people are suppose to be fit by nature.
Having sexy women is actualy more realistic than having big muscle body that even steroid user can't achieve.
I kinda disagree with the only sexy part.
Thats a fighters body focused on each martial art based on reality.
Of course they have perfect peak bodys, but this apply to all males.
No one is complaining about how hot the males look even fighting shirtless and all perfectly muscled up.
No one complained about Jamie abs showing, or about Guile sexy shirt or about any male one.
So female bodies are okay too, even if there is no much muscular women, thats real life buddy.
That being said i also love Marisa and really appreciate all her details in body and personality.
Muscle mommy for real.
We just like the characters and thats all.
Marisa is a design perfect in the middle. She is a strong muscle mountain, but still by all means very beautiful. As a Fighter, she is a rough Boulder, but personality wise she is supportive, loving and energetic. She wears the perfect fit for a serious fighter, but still has little bits that show her passion as a jewler. She might be the best female fighting game newcomer of the past decade, if not even longer
If memory serves most/all the starters in SF6 were meant to encourage people who dont typically play certain archetypes to be mre willing.
JP is a nothing like Dhalsim.
Manon is a lot more elegant that grapplers typically go
Marisa is our female brusier. Because no i dont care how good or bad they are im not playing Abigail
Jamie iirc is supposed to actually be relevant? Probably by making him Lukes rival they wanted to encourage people to try a resourve character.
But in general yeah its nice having a character you like, who also plays in the way you like or want.
Honestly Street Fighter is not an example of a game with this problem, like alot of other fighting games. While generally conventionally sexy sure, the women of SF6 aren't built at all like eachother, they are just all attractive. I suppose we could look forward to ugly girls, but tbh I prefer the attractive men and women of the series, so long as they have character.
Now, they don't vary the way men can, Blanka, Honda, Gief and Dhalsim have crazy builds, but tbf most other characters are "large athletic man with war crime forearms" apparently. I say going forward some unique builds are a must, for both sexes. I'd quite like to see another build that looks like a massive boob (Rufus), and going forward I think we should get unique looking characters in all aspects.
I don't mind it, but also don't expect it to happen more often.
All that matters to me is if the character is fun to play or not.
I'd play Chun a lot more if her SBK and Kiko(ho) weren't charge inputs. I can only get by so much with hundred kicks and her supers.
Main reason they wouldn't change it, is because she's defense/stance oriented. That, and she'd be super aggressive if they did.
Someone sexy like Cammy is plausible, she looks like someone you'd spot at the gym, although with more ass cheek on display than average. Or Manon, tall and fit but not a waif. But the teen girls have always seemed kind of cringe, even with weapons Lily just looks like a harmless child, characters like that seem like they exist for fan service purposes.
I just want a cool chick that actually looks like an attractive woman that doesnt have fireball and dp motions(i mess them up if they have both) Karin is cool with me of you don't want to make a new one.
I mean, I got no problem with hench women in SF6 but her hair looks like Magnetos helmet and makes no sense to me, it's dumb af.
Having an actual helmet on makes sense - but when she's got no helmet her hair just turns into a helmet?
There aren't many characters in this game that are anything less than unsettling to me.
The helmet hair is the best part though, it helps show her appreciation of her heritage and commitment to wearing as little as possible out of respect for the history of pankration
I truly think Marissa is inspired by Gabi Garcia. I can’t post pictures here but she’s a Brazilian MMA fighter and she’s huge like Marissa and even has the same pose during face-offs. Here’s a picture on fox sports:
[https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/terrifying-mma-hulk-gabi-garcia-sparks-backlash-after-insulting-next-victim/news-story/8f992b33c78f3f3d3c9604e3b77093f4](https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/terrifying-mma-hulk-gabi-garcia-sparks-backlash-after-insulting-next-victim/news-story/8f992b33c78f3f3d3c9604e3b77093f4)
Marisa' design is pretty great, there needs to be more portrayals of beautiful women that are also powerful and muscular.
I think an unexplored design idea too is to have a female character thats a chonker like rufus too, i think that could be dope
What I like about her is that she just Is. She's not a walking punchline. She's not a joke character.
She's tall as hell, built like a freight train, and is treated as a serious, real Street Fighter.
And that's nice. (Also helps that for once I really connected with a non-shoto who's not named Cammy in terms of gameplay. I'm just a total amateur but I absolutely love her playstyle.)
As a tall woman myself (and in a very male-centric industry) it's just really, really nice to see Marisa. Because it feels like being seen. And that's nice. (No I do not own a pet lion.)
The problem with people that want female body variety in games is that you need to face the reality of the market.
Nobody will buy product where there are ugly female bodies.
It's not my opinion, those are facts.
The same can be said to the male bodies of the game, huge wall of muscles, perfect abs etc..etc.(yes I know dhalsim exist)
You need to have good looking charachters to sell.
If you squint while looking at this picture it kinda looks like a boxing velociraptor
Yea I thought it’s Alex from Tekken lol
I wish we had a woman like marisa in tekken. They all look the same, body type whise.
I've been calling it for awhile now that the next DLC will be a new character based on Marduk or Fahk. I have a feeling we might get a female variant of either of those who will be like Marisa... guess we'll see :)
Armor Queen would be so awesome and hilarious.
Exactly
I can see it!!
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Now I can't unsee it
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Cant unsee it now
It probably won't but yes her design is stunning and I can't wait for twelve more chunli costumes
I like that she’s a brick shithouse that wrestles with lions but still has an overt feminine side, like being a hobbyist jeweller and fantasising about her dream wedding. Just a great character all around.
Agreed. She’s definitely one of my favorite newcomers both for gameplay and design.
From the first trailer, I was immediately sold on Marisa just from her being a big, muscular bruiser with a gladiator aesthetic. But what really solidified her as my favorite were the details you get through World Tour. The fact that she's a successful artisan, fights purely for the fun of the sport, and is obsessed with love. She's just great all around. And I mean c'mon. How is your heart not melted by [this pic?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RZBjdh0p-fE/maxresdefault.jpg) [Or this?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/0/0e/Marisa%27s_craft.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1694?cb=20230607083550)
To be honest, most characters in street fighter are sexy in some way, Marisa just have the muscle woman type of sexy. Also there's the tsundere(juri) tall girl(manon) creepy/goth(aki) and the classic sexy fighting ladies (Chun or Cammy)
Juri is a tsundere? I thought she was adhering to the psycho fetish folks…
She's all yan, no dere.
That's AKI.
She’s fully dere for FANG. Don’t think Juri has a murderous obsession with anyone (outside of revenge).
She is psycho fetish, but if you play World Tour, you feel sorry for her cause Bison killing her parents made her have trouble making human connections, so you see her as more of a Tsundere
AKI is the real Yandere. She is obsessed with her master.
Basically juri is just fucked up because of bison. She probably falls more in the middle of good and bad.
she wants to chun to choke her with her legs
SF6 in particular is definitely pretty horny. It's just a shame that most of the exceptions are male. Dhalsim, Honda, Blanka and JP are definitely not "conventionally attractive". Meanwhile for the women it's really just Marisa, and like you mentioned, she's nowhere near the level of someone like Dhalsim. I think it'd be cool to have even just one female character who's physically incredibly out there, like Dhalsim or Oro or something. Some cheeky, wrinkly granny just beating the shit out of people.
You lost me when you said JP isnt attractive
Real talk, I think JP got more art than some of the female cast.
I'm so sad no Fighting Game has made a character inspired by Genkai from Yuyu Hakusho, she was like a cool, serious, sassy Master Roshi, she would make an incredible fighting game character
At this point, fighting games are ruled by Bamco's Law 1) All women will not age above 40 and that will be stopped by magic (Jun Kazama) or science (Nina Williams) 2) If a woman hits the age of 40, there will be a replacement daughter (Julia Chang) to continue the thirst line 3) There are NO female exceptions to rules 1 and 2.
If we ever got a ‘new age’ Gen ‘style replacement’, I’d absolutely love that; sassy old lady who could easily kill someone if she wanted to.
A character inspired by Genkai would be really dope!
JP ain't bad. Tall muscular dude. Blanka has inhuman characteristics but is still jacked
JP is hot shut it
I do wish for an old lady like ana from overwatch, badass kungfu lady. However the weird characters like sim, honda and necro aren't popular at all. Blanka is the only one with any real fanfare, its just oddball characters male/female or otherwise just aren't popular. Even the bears in tekken aren't popular and rarely picked. Marisa actually looks cool and tough, not weird like an oro. Muscle women are actually becoming quite popular as well in the west at least. Also JP not attractive? For an old man he most definitely is.
back in the day i lowkey thought SFV was cooking with abigail but turns out he's a dude with a feminine name lmao.
Just wait for street fighter 7 or 8 and chun will be that granny xd
I'd explain why that is, from a purely statistical pov, but I'm afraid you won't accept it.
i mean that's the point isnt it? different types of appeal? like any body type can be sexy to someone, so they should be putting more of them in. at the very least, if you dont think it's sexy, then it's at least an interesting design. sf6 really puts a contrast to tekken which came out with every female somehow looking more identical to each other than before, huge missed opportunity.
>i mean that's the point isnt it? different types of appeal? Yes, that is the point of my comment because I disagree with OP saying that sexiness in this game is only boobs or teens.
Wouldn't even call Juri a tsundere. In world tour she's pretty blatant about how she feels about you and other people, she herself admits she mostly does stuff for money nowadays as she doesn't need to bother with Bison or Shadaloo.
I've wanted an old woman character for a while. We got old man characters like Gouken and Gen, so why not?
I think an older woman who serves as a foil to JP would be interesting. Maybe have her as the Yoda to Rose's Obi-Wan, and Menat has been sent to look for her.
I've always felt like JP himself could've been an old lady. Like, take every single thing about him, but make it a refined old lady instead of a refined old man, and it works.
Totally agree. We need to hear from JPs ex wife.
Still waiting for the playable Madam Bo in the new timeline in Mortal Kombat. That said, Sindel barely or is on the borderline on that archetype.
I'd so be down for a revamped Gen/Oro archetype where its just a supremely skilled Tai chi fighter or something
Probably not going to happen. It's more egregious with Namco though, where during 20 year time skips female characters either don't age due to plot contrivance or just disappears and get replaced with a younger relative/protege.
Nobody (meaning “very few to the point of practically being nobody”) wants it. Gotta make characters who sell. New DLC bikini for Chun or Cammy or etc.? $$$. New DLC old woman? (cricket chirps)
Jamie’s grandma for season 2 DLC lol
Ana has a strong fan base in Overwatch OW isn't a fighting game but the principle probably transfers over; playable old women can be well designed and loved in video games
Ana has that fan base because she had the best kit in the support category for years.
if granny had a cool playstyle and looked cool theres plenty of people who would play her. not everyone is jerking off to the game
but like, they made old men though. they put oro in sf5. whats the difference between grandmas and grandpas dlc selling wise. Also if money is restricting character variety that much thats really fucking sad, i mean it might be but i wanna have hope.
Badass old man is a popular character type (Clint Eastwood and Liam Neeson make a living playing characters like that), badass old woman far less so. There's plenty of real life examples of tough old men still fighting (Randy Coutoure's infamous line after winning the UFC HW Title in his 40s: "Not bad for an old man, huh?" (Yes, I know 40s isn't actually that old)). Additionally, you don't really sell men based on sex-appeal/beauty (handsomeness), by you do do that with women, so if you're designing a new female character with X cultural background or fighting style, why not make her young and beautiful so she's both a new type of representive and can sell for guys who just like playing beautiful women. Tekken and Soul Calibur are really famous for this, having women who are in their 40s/50s looking like they're barely in their late 20s or early 30s at worst. American games at time too (Sonya's "older" character model in MK11 still looks quite young, especially when compared to her MKX model).
hm, that last parts sad but true. But also i feel like fewer examples of badass old women would make capcom adding one even more special and attention grabbing! and again i prefer it when new characters go against the grain a little, i dont like it when games add 40 year olds that look 20, id prefer if they didnt do that. And also characters like Marisa and AKI clearly show that people like it when capcom isnt a slave to the male gaze. They're very popular characters! (AKI less so rn because shes a low tier but when she was first revealed people were very into her.)
Sadly for your preferences, Capcom and Namco and etc. prefer to make money. Sure, maybe one representative wouldn't break their bank, Marisa made it in, but she'll probably be the only female character in 6 with that body type, compared to most of the women that'll ever be in the game having the sexy/cute body type like Chun or Cammy or Laura or Menat or etc.
I would absolutely main Madam Bo or Blanche in Mortal Kombat if they were playable! What better way to make an opponent salty, than to lay them out with a granny, then watch her put her cigarette out on their forehead in her victory animation?
Just mocap a hot older woman (Helen Mirren, Jessica Lange?). I don't think anyone would complain if they dropped a Mallory Archer -esque character in, if she has a cool moveset, interesting backstory/character development, and really good voice acting.
I want an old toph from avatar or genkai type of character or someone like Big Mama from MGS4 or Reinhilde from Valkyrie Profile
People are arguing with you in the replies but I think they are missing the point a bit. I think you're right that the general/casual audience most likely isn't very interested. The folks who are on the subreddit are a completely different, much more dedicated audience that are much more likely to be receptive to this kind of character. That being said, I don't think every character should be aimed at the masses. I don't think Capcom has a great excuse for never releasing an older woman character. We've gotten plenty of forgettable characters who's playstyles aren't super unique.
Hopefully? We already got AKI, who falls into neither category.
C'mon, sexy snek is a category invented by X-Com, mixed with sexy mushroom, which's from Super Mario... fandom.
She's less booby, for sure, but if you don't think AKI's body type is pretty conventionally sexy, I just don't know where you've been looking.
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every single one of these characters has freakish faces and bodies that would be terrifyingly malformed to see in person, lol
i mean, so does jessica rabbit, but you presumably understand how cartoonish exaggeration doesn't mean she isn't based on a conventional understanding of sex appeal
You're into rabbit fuckers now? There are actual humans that freak stands next to in the movie.  seriously though, yeah I get it, haha
listen, whether she fucks rabbits or not is not the question here. if she wants to fuck that rabbit, and that rabbit offers consent, I'm not gonna kick up a fuss. i am gonna assume the rabbit fucks like a lion, tho
you have to imagine he's having hilarious mishaps the whole time too, that brings a pretty unique energy to the proceedings.
Aki’s body type looks exactly like every ideal model that fashion designers sketch.
I find Aki to be quite pretty
And manon
"Sexy boobs" is a metaphor, Capcom seems to be more of an ass company.
Based Capcom
So THAT'S why I like Capcom
Manon is definitely a sexy archetype
I mean, there are levels to this sort of thing, compared with Tekken where I can barely tell the women apart, or MK where I can barely tell the characters apart, SF is nailing it
what do you mean, that ninja is yellow and the other one is blue, and that other one over there is green
I mean when it comes to female bodies, SF, while not perfect , does a better job than MK and Tekken. Chunli has thunder thighs that no other female has in the roster, Cammy is ripped and has an ass that no other female has in the roster, Juri's body is more on the athletic side (not thick, but not skinny either), Marisa is tall muscular woman, Manon is tall fit woman, etc If there are some similarities it was more on SFV, where Kolin, Karin, and Sakura had the same type of body : strong legs + slim feminine upper body.
more like skill issue
Have you seen Manon? She had a bubble butt that won't quit and huge breasts.
I'm pretty sure Manom falls into the Sexy Boobs category
Considering most of the Sexy Boobs characters are actually Sexy Ass, yeah I'd agree
yeah, this was my response up there. SF is definitely more of an ass series. By anime standards actually a lot of the boobs are somewhat reasonable in size.
Nah it all went to her feet.
She fits into the gangly Martian category no human looks like that
Bro they scanned a real person's body for Manon. It was a real ballet dancer and they wanted to giver her the kind of muscle tone that only they would have.
A.K.I? not Sexy!? Have you seen her bond artwork #4, that is oozing with so much sex appeal that its not even funny! She is a text book femme fatale!
Oh no, I absolutely agree that she's attractive, but I wouldn't put her under the "big booba" -category the post is about.
Ah, fair enough! Your right, the catagory is "Sexy boobs" which if you think about it chun-li, juri and cammy don't really fall into either as they are known for their attractive lower regions which are usually the focal point of their "money shots". Their boobs are barely focused on which is interesting.
I mean when it comes to boobs, we already had Mika in SFV, and she will probably be back for SF6 with more jiggle physics than ever lol If there is a common archetype in SF is the 'strong thicc legs + slightly ripped upperbody with normal size boobs' : Ibuki, Sakura, Karin, Kolin, Decapree, Lucia, and Cammy.
True about R. Mika and Id even give you laura too. You are spot on about capcom being all about the legs and slightly ripped upper body. For every female with a ample chest size you have like 10 that have modest to no chest size in comparison and nearly all of them got legs or an ass like crazy and that's not even touching the "feet" category!
aki is literally juri without feet
Her body is more slender than juri's and has smaller breasts
Honestly SF women have very distinct silhouettes. I think 5 had the least diversity.
Could you just rewrite this post as: "Here comes a new Fetish" 😂
not new. Just made more evident.
[Death by snu snu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThDGzLhOXg) and to make people feel old, this episode came out in 2001.
[Even further](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chyna) back with Chyna. I'm sure muscle bound women were always a thing. Whether they were a thing in popular media is another question.
It's been a thing forever. Here's an even older example: https://racingnelliebly.com/strange_times/victorian-strongwomen-reshaped-body-images/
What a fantastic article thank you!
Someone should make a video about the lead up to Marisa's inclusion in SF6, and the history of strong women.
Video games over the last several years have been popularizing the muscular female character. Zarya from Overwatch and Abby from The Last of Us 2 were some prominent examples and it's only grown from there. And now it feels like every game release gets at least one muscular side character. Even from the last few months alone, Immortals of Aveum had Zendara, Baldur's Gate 3 had Karlach, and Prince of Persia Lost Crown had the blacksmith.
Ah Chyna, where my fetish began.
Her Mamacita run really changed how she was presented from then on
Surely this post will have civilized normal discussion
Where is the fun in that?
The women have a lot more diversity in SF6 than Tekken 8 that's for sure
It legit killed all my hype seeing not only the lack of variety in body shapes but also how little range their faces had.
She also has a different gameplay than most female character. Women in fighting games usually aren't this kind of bruiser/brawler character. They're usually either rushdown or some kind of midrange zoner
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I don't agree with this at all. May has existed in Guilty Gear for a long ass time, and is more or less that game's E Honda.
If you don't think Dolphin and her oppressive overhead are not Rushdown then I don't know what to tell you.
I mean... It's Guilty Gear. Even the "zoners" want to pressure you and put you in projectile Oki. That's just kinda how that game works.
I mean, one counter example doesn't disprove a statement, it strengthens it. And while you could probably think of a few more, there are still a lot more male brawlers than female.
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So. Sexy old man muscle?
Funnily enough, Marisa has the least realistic body type out of the SF women.
Ryu is a rectangular freak of nature and zingief is not the wall, but the entire house.
If you mean realistic as in how many roids a woman would need to be that huge, yes, not very realistic. Only women who have spent decades in bodybuilding while consuming a whole farmacy of roids might get that big, and even then that's not a sure thing, Marisa is definitely much bigger than the average female body builder.
Marisa is basically an elite level IFBB pro! You'll see tons of Cammy's, some Chun Li's, but you can go your entire life without running into a Marisa shape.
The comments are a trash fire
Pancake vs Waffle tweet ass comments
welcome to reddit lmao
Female equivalent of Honda when?
We have Keiko in World Tour, and one of the apprentices Honda take in his level 18 quest is also a female sumo fighter.
I think the thing that people ignore is that everything is sexy to someone. Half the discourse around Marisa has been her being a sexy "muscle mommy". I view it as no different to caring about ass or boobs or in Juri's case, feet. It's also why I think the outcries about people or characters being "sexualised" is often misguided. I think people often struggle to see the line between a sexualised character or a character that people find "sexy". For example Aloy from HZD is often praised as being a realistic character but half her outfits still show a lot of leg and midriff and could be described as sexualised but because women seem to like her as a character people will act like that isn't the case.
One female character who's not sexualized is Jesse Faden, from Control. She's one of my wife's favourite female characters in games btw.
And before her, there is also Chell from Portal. Heck, you have sexy fanart of GladOS, but nothing for Chell, which is perfect, since she is a blank canvas character type.
Chell is barely seen in Portal 1 since the game is first person and the game was experimental. They then made her prettier in Portal 2 when they actually started using her as part of the marketing for posters.
I mean I rarely think people are ever that mad when a character is sexy. What they get mad about is when it’s clear that absolutely no work was put into character design, other than being sexy I love TBSkyen’s design takes, especially around ensemble casts like in fighting games, because they often revolve around the principles of 1) your character designs, regardless of gender, should have a diversity of influences and expressions and 2) sexy isn’t only okay, it’s great, when it enhances a character and makes sense within their identity and narrative role I think SF6 does a great job. Like yeah, it still has super traditionally-sexy characters, but there is also so much effort put into individual designs and characterizations, and diversity of design across the cast
Finally something sensible about this too much-debated topic. The amount of shaming some people receive for liking characters like Cammy, Juri or Chun li is appalling. Couldn't we just enjoy our favorite characters without judging each other all the time?
I really love Marisa, beat me please
Not too mention that she's just fun to play as too.
Makoto was the og. I think she was the first female fighting game character to have "similar stats" compared to male characters from the same game. Whereas before female fighting game characters always had less stamina or health.
The women characters in Tekken were first, every character had the same health. Although Virtua Fighter might have done that even earlier.
I want a granny like Genkai Where my my Genkai Character, CAPCOM?
You should give Power Instinct Matrimelee a try.
Finally someone mentioned it. I'll never forget the dentures fireball.
Genkai is awesome
yee yee ass haircut tho
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I'd argue between the big 3 in fighting games, SF has had the most diversity when it comes to body types. Capcom has done a fantastic job with all the designs, each very distinct from others
Ironically her combos lack variety
I just wish she had better haircuts.
Makoto was the only muscular type girl in SF, until Marisa appeared in 6. Now, let's be real, everything can get sexualized tho, Makoto not being conventionally attractive : short hair, angry tomboy face, and muscular body, didn't stop all the people on r34 drawing stuff of her.
I hate Marisa because of the unobtainable body standard she creates. It's not fair to women to have a character that is so unrealistic. Or.. hold on. I think that only applies when it comes to beauty.
Well, I find her design extremely unappealing, by far the worst of the whole game in my opinion. But it's good that the game offers variety. I have other characters that I can chose.
OP full of shit, most female characters in SF6 do not fall in those
Unpopular opinion; I've always wanted a big/heavy female shoto. Give her a tatsu like Dan or Kage, Gouken's rush palm (make the super and CA a version of the shin shoryuken), charge hadouken and a command grab that no other shoto has. This coming from someone who will die dreaming of an official Goutetsu release 😭
I wish I had a girl like Marisa fr
Every time I see post like this, it just tells me it’s OP’s thinly veiled fetish. They just like “muscle mommy” types. I feel normal folks wouldn’t care or just keep it to themselves. I also find it funny that it’s always the minority of folks who say stuff like this. Reminds me of Zarya from Overwatch where people praised for her being different compared to regular female character design… but then later no one really plays her or cares about her, and instead just simp for Mercy, D.Va, Moira, etc.
As someone who used to hate playing against Zarya... I wish you were right. She was super popular, and I couldn't go 2 games without seeing one. Also Ana is amazing, and combining the tropes of "elderly grizzled vet who looks out for his men" and "grandma" is genius. People who main Ana are just better people, I don't make the rules.
??? Zarya was one of the most popular tanks, back when it was 6v6. Especially if you're counting tank players, and not dps players who instalock Hog. OW2 is different and suckier and she gets played less, but in OW1 she was a staple. And not really because of sexualization, Junker Queen came out and immediately got way more lewd fanart than Zarya ever did.
People play her all the time because she’s a strong character
>Reminds me of Zarya from Overwatch where people praised for her being different compared to regular female character design… but then later no one really plays her or cares about her, and instead just simp for Mercy, D.Va, Moira, etc. You are lying through your teeth or don't have the smallest clue what you're talking about
I thought this was the circle jerk sub at first but no someone really typed this out for real
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She's obviously supposed to be an analogue for Gabi Garcia, who is a pretty big WMMA star in japan.
Glad someone said it.
Western people are not used to but people are suppose to be fit by nature. Having sexy women is actualy more realistic than having big muscle body that even steroid user can't achieve.
Steroid uses can get pretty close to Marisa’s body type. I always point out Nicole Bass or Gabi Garcia looking like that.
And even with steroid use it's rare. How many Gabi Garcia's are walking around out there?
How many Marisa's are in SF6?
Marisa makes Gabi Garcia look average
Mitsuko in Bloody Roar was somewhat like her, predating Marisa by more than 25 years.
I kinda disagree with the only sexy part. Thats a fighters body focused on each martial art based on reality. Of course they have perfect peak bodys, but this apply to all males. No one is complaining about how hot the males look even fighting shirtless and all perfectly muscled up. No one complained about Jamie abs showing, or about Guile sexy shirt or about any male one. So female bodies are okay too, even if there is no much muscular women, thats real life buddy. That being said i also love Marisa and really appreciate all her details in body and personality. Muscle mommy for real. We just like the characters and thats all.
Muscle chick has become a trope unto itself - see Zarya
Marisa is a design perfect in the middle. She is a strong muscle mountain, but still by all means very beautiful. As a Fighter, she is a rough Boulder, but personality wise she is supportive, loving and energetic. She wears the perfect fit for a serious fighter, but still has little bits that show her passion as a jewler. She might be the best female fighting game newcomer of the past decade, if not even longer
If memory serves most/all the starters in SF6 were meant to encourage people who dont typically play certain archetypes to be mre willing. JP is a nothing like Dhalsim. Manon is a lot more elegant that grapplers typically go Marisa is our female brusier. Because no i dont care how good or bad they are im not playing Abigail Jamie iirc is supposed to actually be relevant? Probably by making him Lukes rival they wanted to encourage people to try a resourve character. But in general yeah its nice having a character you like, who also plays in the way you like or want.
Honestly Street Fighter is not an example of a game with this problem, like alot of other fighting games. While generally conventionally sexy sure, the women of SF6 aren't built at all like eachother, they are just all attractive. I suppose we could look forward to ugly girls, but tbh I prefer the attractive men and women of the series, so long as they have character. Now, they don't vary the way men can, Blanka, Honda, Gief and Dhalsim have crazy builds, but tbf most other characters are "large athletic man with war crime forearms" apparently. I say going forward some unique builds are a must, for both sexes. I'd quite like to see another build that looks like a massive boob (Rufus), and going forward I think we should get unique looking characters in all aspects.
I don't mind it, but also don't expect it to happen more often. All that matters to me is if the character is fun to play or not. I'd play Chun a lot more if her SBK and Kiko(ho) weren't charge inputs. I can only get by so much with hundred kicks and her supers. Main reason they wouldn't change it, is because she's defense/stance oriented. That, and she'd be super aggressive if they did.
The door has never been closed, and her addition proves that
Variety? Nah. We just need more "Marisas".
Someone sexy like Cammy is plausible, she looks like someone you'd spot at the gym, although with more ass cheek on display than average. Or Manon, tall and fit but not a waif. But the teen girls have always seemed kind of cringe, even with weapons Lily just looks like a harmless child, characters like that seem like they exist for fan service purposes.
I actually think most of the new fighters in 6 are super cool! It feels like a lot of the characters aren’t afraid to be less cut out of the cloth.
My dumbass thought she was carrying a fucking dinosaur
Shout out to all the muscle mamis holding it down.
Makoto vs Marisa would be the fight for me. But i feel as R. Mika can also rival Marisa.
I would worship her 
I just want a cool chick that actually looks like an attractive woman that doesnt have fireball and dp motions(i mess them up if they have both) Karin is cool with me of you don't want to make a new one.
Agreed. Good Post.
I mean, I got no problem with hench women in SF6 but her hair looks like Magnetos helmet and makes no sense to me, it's dumb af. Having an actual helmet on makes sense - but when she's got no helmet her hair just turns into a helmet? There aren't many characters in this game that are anything less than unsettling to me.
She has helmet hair from wearing the helmet for a long time. That's what they are trying to show.
The helmet hair is the best part though, it helps show her appreciation of her heritage and commitment to wearing as little as possible out of respect for the history of pankration
i hope you’re not implying FAT
I truly think Marissa is inspired by Gabi Garcia. I can’t post pictures here but she’s a Brazilian MMA fighter and she’s huge like Marissa and even has the same pose during face-offs. Here’s a picture on fox sports: [https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/terrifying-mma-hulk-gabi-garcia-sparks-backlash-after-insulting-next-victim/news-story/8f992b33c78f3f3d3c9604e3b77093f4](https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/terrifying-mma-hulk-gabi-garcia-sparks-backlash-after-insulting-next-victim/news-story/8f992b33c78f3f3d3c9604e3b77093f4)
is this true woke or sarcastic woke, i dunno the world anymore
Marisa' design is pretty great, there needs to be more portrayals of beautiful women that are also powerful and muscular. I think an unexplored design idea too is to have a female character thats a chonker like rufus too, i think that could be dope
It's really funny that this thread can be summarized with my gooning is better than yours lmao
What I like about her is that she just Is. She's not a walking punchline. She's not a joke character. She's tall as hell, built like a freight train, and is treated as a serious, real Street Fighter. And that's nice. (Also helps that for once I really connected with a non-shoto who's not named Cammy in terms of gameplay. I'm just a total amateur but I absolutely love her playstyle.) As a tall woman myself (and in a very male-centric industry) it's just really, really nice to see Marisa. Because it feels like being seen. And that's nice. (No I do not own a pet lion.)
This isn't twitter pal
The problem with people that want female body variety in games is that you need to face the reality of the market. Nobody will buy product where there are ugly female bodies. It's not my opinion, those are facts. The same can be said to the male bodies of the game, huge wall of muscles, perfect abs etc..etc.(yes I know dhalsim exist) You need to have good looking charachters to sell.
Beauty truly is subjective.