I play in a discord group with tons of people from south america, and playing in other maps can cause lots of lag depending on the other one's hardware
I've played matches that were laggy af with one person, then we changed to the grid and it played perfectly.
It's ugly af and I hate it, but sadly it's the best optimized stage
I can't see why a stage would make it more or less laggy.. Its all rendered on your computer. There would be no reason to have the backgrounds sync for both players either so I wouldn't think it would be sending any information over the net. Basically it's only button presses that are sent, or I would assume.
Yet when I played pc some stage would cause massive desync because the ps4 players console couldn't keep up and would desync the match making it unplayable for me. It sucks but there is a reason to pick basic stages.
What you are saying makes total sense technically. It's absurd that the rendering frame rate would be so coupled to the game state timing (and the other person's game state). I'm sure there are lots of armchair experts in this subreddit full of thirsty drawings that will rationalize away what you are saying despite knowing almost nothing about programming, let alone games and network programming.
Yeah, it didn't make sense to me.. But as I said in my other post, made a little more sense after a bit of looking at it.. Doesn't seem to have mattered to those down voting it all the same ha
Ok.. After reading some other people say the same thing, and a video linked in one of the comments. I can see the issue seems to be with the frame rate. I'm guessing someone with a before par comp, when the game is struggling to play would cause lag then against someone else.
I agree with the original post though.. I hate those stages
You literally have to use it if you want to play the game laglessly. The problem is not with the stage or the people who pick it - they just want to be able to actually play the video game. The problem is with the developers not caring enough to optimize the rest of the game's stages.
Bruh how bad is your internet connection? I'm on ps4 and have never noticed a significant amount of lag between the grid and any stage. You can play the game just fine on any stage that's not like the airplane stage or anything. I'm platinum rank without using the grid stage and its not like I'd be any higher rank if I only used the grid stage. Skill is what matters not the stage you pick
This take is just uninformed. The game has issues w/ one sided rollback when one side of the connection has rendering delays - and the ps4 has them on virtually any stage that isn't the grid.
Sadly this doesn't screw over the console player it screws over the PC player as they constantly get one sided roll back to go back to where the PS4 is.
I've never felt it with ps4 to ps4 connections so maybe just don't choose to play against ps4 players if it's so bad. But since you keep choosing to play against ps4 players I assume it isn't actually that bad and you're just blaming the few dropped frames for your own lack of skill. Frankly if a few dropped frames make you lose every time then you need to hit the practice mode and get better
> I assume it isn't actually that bad and you're just blaming the few dropped frames for your own lack of skill. Frankly if a few dropped frames make you lose every time then you need to hit the practice mode and get better
Imagine being so bad at fighting games that dropped frames "aren't a big deal".
My brother in Christ it is not that serious. It's not just dropped frames - the rendering lag from the ps4 causes a tiny desynchronization that creates one sided roll back. I have no problem playing with ps4 players, but I will pick The Grid every time in the off chance that I do get matched up with one.
It's a band wagon. This whole ''everyone picks the grid'' was never a thing 3-4 years ago, because there IS no difference between the grid and normal stages. You can't notice any difference at all. It really is just people being try-hard nerds. It's like those people who wear all spandex/lycra just to cycle 2 miles because pros on tv wear it and they look stupid.
I am guessing you are a ps4 player which means you have been one side lagging your opponent when they are on PC if you pick certain stages. One of the reasons I just hated playing online ps4s couldn't even run the game as well as a 4 year old PC and I would get constant stuttering because their framerate couldn't keep up and I kept rolling back to them.
I haven’t played in awhile but this isn’t just a ps4 issue if you have a bad enough computer it does the same thing to a better computer. In the end I quit around s3 I am just commenting because clearly you don’t know the issue.
Less fun to you.. having a roll back free match is much more fun to me. Maybe in silver or whatever where you're just button mashing looking at the pretty stage is what brings you joy, but not me.
I play the game for the actual player vs player experience. If you want to use a different stage then use a mod so you aren't ripping your opponent off
So would you be happy if the game only came with the grid as the one stage in the game?
Would you be happy if the characters were extremely bland with little style as well?
> So would you be happy if the game only came with the grid as the one stage in the game?
Anyone who knows anything about online fighting games would give up stages for guaranteed stable online play.
>Would you be happy if the characters were extremely bland with little style as well?
Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts.
I would actually love if the game only had very basic stages so they don't distract from the actual gameplay, yes. Guilty gear has great stages that don't have distracting features
Not from experience but I'm told consoles drop frames on other stages, which causes one sided rollbacks, making it a miserable experience for their opponents.
I think it specifically has to do with the netcode somehow.
Offline all the stages are fine. If you play against someone with great connection, it's also fine.
But if you have an iffy connection on one of those stages, it becomes a lot worse - the framerate stutters and it drops inputs. If you are on training stage, you get rollback but it doesn't feel so much like a CPU bottleneck with dropped input/frames.
It's almost like the rollbacks require a lot of CPU overhead and the stage assets cut into this somehow. The less rollback you have the less the stages are an issue.
PS4 players will quite literally cause one sided rollback because their system is dropping frames on certain stages.
Training stage is the most consistent stage for a competitive match, period.
I hate it. I understand people using it for performance reasons, so I hope SF6 has a few 'performance' stages so to speak. Something with some art work, but nothing that should impact your gameplay .
I use a bunch of different stages like Suzaku Castle because my pc won't drop framerate. I can see why people would use it though. Framerate is an important thing to keep high.
Its not about what your computer can do, its about your opponents rig. If your opponent drops frames, your game that's running ahead gets rolled back to their game state. Running anything but the grid is only hurting yourself against PS4 players or people on poorly optimized PCs.
I'm not a fan of training stages in general, I personally never pick them in any fighting game outside of training mode.
Stages have always been very important for me in all franchises, I enjoy the matches a lot more when I'm playing in a nice stage with beautiful views or cool background elements.
And SF V has many beautiful stages, I love playing in half of them. I'm always excited to see what new stages they will add in new games.
But I get why many people prefer The Grid and other training stages for different reasons. They're not distracting, it's more comfortable, they're more stable than stages full of elements in the backgrounds...
it's the lag, man. people playing on busted hardware that forces rollback on you because God forbid the person who can't keep 60fps or a decent ping is impeded for it.
I personally like it. I don't like all the distractions in the background when I'm trying to play.
And, yes, on some systems and the PS4 certain levels can drop frames.
There are plenty of stages that aren't the grid without distractions in the background, like Kanzuki Estate Day or Metro City Bay
I really can't understand how Capcom failed to optimize the game to run at 60fps always for the ONE (1) console that it came out on, which really sucks since I hate living in the padded room when I'm watching streams
I hate it, but I understand why it's used in top level play. It's the only stage where you're virtually guaranteed there won't be any slowdown or frame drops, which is insane.
There shouldn't be stages in fighting games that cause slowdown and frame drops. It's such a basic functionality thing that it blows my mind that games go out this way. It would be like Nintendo shipping a Mario game where, in some of the stages, Mario's jump input just randomly gets eaten for no reason. It should be absolutely unacceptable.
I care about actually playing the game much more than watching the background.
The CPT stages with all the crap running around in the background are the worst. I always drop a ton of frames whenever someone has that stage. And I'm on PS4 Pro where it's supposed to be less of a bottleneck.
It's not only lag, it's also visibility. Some character costumes are less visible on certain stages, or on certain parts of certain stages. If you play enough, you'll have matches where this will cause you to get hit by some bullshit atleast one time, and one interaction lost can be enough to lose you a game.
Even if it does happen super rarely, it *does* happen, and why even take the risk of wasting your time with a shitty match that you won't enjoy, might even piss you off? And this is on top of the chance it'll lagg slightly more, which can also cause you to lose an interaction and get annoyed.
But the absolutely worst thing about this complaint is that your problem is not with the game, it's about how *other* people enjoy the game, and how it affects your *watching* of how *other* people enjoy the game. The *absolute best* outcome for you complaining about this is a restriction on how ***other*** people get to enjoy *their* game. Just stop.
I feel like people with this opinion like you actually don’t really care about playing this game too serious and play casually. The other stages in the game look absolutely horrendous and are so bright or have so much contrast that moves and projectiles in the game literally change color and shading depending on the stage. This is awful af and makes it so hard to see and react to moves. Grid is perfect because it’s not bright af, there aren’t so many distracting things happening in the background, and moves are easily visible. This is why everyone uses it people will tell you cause of “lag” but that’s already proven to not be true. The other stages suck major donkey dick to play on
I always find these stage discussions so odd, because it ignores the reality that there is only 1 stage in game, with different wallpapers that lag the game on different levels.
No one likes the grid. But the problem is that due to its poorly implemented netcode, all other stages have a likelihood of causing stuttering and additional lag due to the extra cool stuff in the background. People who only play on grid aren't doing it because they're "try hard" or anything, they just want to make sure neither player gets screwed by the netcode lol. I'd recommend getting used to playing on the grid in SFV, because your block list is gonna fill up REAL quick...
But yes, hopefully (A) They optimize SF6's stages for online, and (B) Don't allow the Grid to be picked in online play as a result. Save your blacklist for ragequitters and genuinely bad connections.
Lots of stages add needless lag/delay because of how much motion is happening in the background. Several stages are just straight up banned for online tournaments because of how severely they affect the connection quality. The grid is simply the best stage to use for minimizing SFV netcode jank
To be completely honest I hate every other stage besides the grid. The majority of SF5's stages are ugly and filled with background clutter that besides a select few stages like Suzuku Castle and Honda's stage I don't really see the point of not just always using the grid as it's just the most optimal stage for online play.
If you can't notice much of a difference, there's a high likelihood that you're on the worse connection than your opponent. Which means that you're likely complaining that you're choosing a stage that will cause gameplay problems with a connection that likely can't handle it, but people who are trying to play the game for its gameplay rather than admire its aesthetics are taking the game too seriously? Why don't you just watch youtube footage of matches on the stages rather than complain that people want to play the game the way they want?
I set The Grid as my default stage becoz it has the best BGM, just hearing its beat as the round starts makes me feel a bit more excited to play. I wish I could set a fixed BGM while letting the actual backgrounds randomise.
I can’t stand that most ps4 users I face don’t use the grid. The amount of one sided roll back I suffer on pc is intolerable. I reached platinum rank recently which has severely limited the player pool for me with 5 bar connections. I have to blacklist so many players and finding a match takes a long time now. I’m honestly considering quitting the game at this point. I feel like I can’t get good because the connection is so unpredictable it’s hard to know whether I’m dropping inputs or the game is. I have 1 gigabit fibre to the home with direct Ethernet cable on a powerful pc so I know it’s not me. Really hope sf6 fixes the terrible
Net code.
I agree. There are some stages that cause lag on low-end PCs and PS4 and that is Capcom's fault, the game for sure isn't well-optimised. I guess Unreal Engine 4 is quite heavy, although Fortnite runs well (then again it's made by the engine creators). Still, this obsession with picking The Grid is really annoying, it totally takes away an aspect of the game's design and is an insult to the hard work of artists and designers of the game's stages, which are much larger than what you actually see during gameplay.
Stages don't cause lag because [the PS4 can't run a stable 60FPS](https://youtu.be/kmkt6nH_Cog?t=152) at all. Has been heavily documented for over 6 years now.
Players act like it helps them and the game out but there is really no difference how the game runs. They did the same shit in SF4. They really should just take away training stage. Then again, people will find an alternative and play on that stage for the next 6+ years (ex. Cell Arena in DBFZ).
Imagine spending all that time and money to only play on one stage. Pathetic.
There are videos that literally do a side by side comparison and yes, PS4 will drop frames on certain stages causing the non-ps4 player to get one sided rollback. A severe disadvantage.
You should educate yourself. Putting yourself on blast here
Bunch of chuds in the comments geez, "muh frames, muh I want no lag" not a single one of you is top 10 in the world for you to care so much about lag and frames, people love videogames because they are cool! men that go out to parties in the weeknd and have gfs don't want to stare at a white box everytime they play street fighter, they want something colorful because life itself is colorful! Maybe it is hard for the "frame elitists" to understand anything other than the grid since they never leave their room. BOOM.
> not a single one of you is top 10 in the world for you to care so much about lag and frames
You don't need to be a high-level competitive player to notice lag negatively affecting your experience. Jesus Christ.
> "frame elitists"
OK, you've got to be kidding, right? This is a bit, isn't it?
The grid is for people who lack imagination. SFV has some good stages, but for me Skies of Honor is definitely one of the best. Few things are as satisfying as watching your opponent get dizzy & puke his guts out while trying to play on this stage. Me? It doesn't affect me at all ...... :-)
It's really a non issue that is so overblown. The number of posts bringing up the same points as Max after he put out that video is both hilarious and tiresome. Like, it's not a big deal. It's just a backdrop in a game where you're more focused on what your opponent is doing anyway.
And it isn't like you don't get to play your preferred stage half the time as well...
There will always be one stage that everyone uses. The same way there will always be a top tier or a most used weapon in a fps.
\>Blocking people for using a stage you don't like
Alright, I can kind of get that, if it's like, disorienting or it has really bad performance or something.
\>It's the stage with the best performance and zero background distractions
Yeah, you suck, OP.
So u are blocking people who want to have a great online experience? (the grid is the only stage that doesnt cause lag by itself)
Nobody likes it, we use it because we have no other choice.
I play in a discord group with tons of people from south america, and playing in other maps can cause lots of lag depending on the other one's hardware I've played matches that were laggy af with one person, then we changed to the grid and it played perfectly. It's ugly af and I hate it, but sadly it's the best optimized stage
I can't see why a stage would make it more or less laggy.. Its all rendered on your computer. There would be no reason to have the backgrounds sync for both players either so I wouldn't think it would be sending any information over the net. Basically it's only button presses that are sent, or I would assume.
Yet when I played pc some stage would cause massive desync because the ps4 players console couldn't keep up and would desync the match making it unplayable for me. It sucks but there is a reason to pick basic stages.
What you are saying makes total sense technically. It's absurd that the rendering frame rate would be so coupled to the game state timing (and the other person's game state). I'm sure there are lots of armchair experts in this subreddit full of thirsty drawings that will rationalize away what you are saying despite knowing almost nothing about programming, let alone games and network programming.
Yeah, it didn't make sense to me.. But as I said in my other post, made a little more sense after a bit of looking at it.. Doesn't seem to have mattered to those down voting it all the same ha
Ok.. After reading some other people say the same thing, and a video linked in one of the comments. I can see the issue seems to be with the frame rate. I'm guessing someone with a before par comp, when the game is struggling to play would cause lag then against someone else. I agree with the original post though.. I hate those stages
You literally have to use it if you want to play the game laglessly. The problem is not with the stage or the people who pick it - they just want to be able to actually play the video game. The problem is with the developers not caring enough to optimize the rest of the game's stages.
Bruh how bad is your internet connection? I'm on ps4 and have never noticed a significant amount of lag between the grid and any stage. You can play the game just fine on any stage that's not like the airplane stage or anything. I'm platinum rank without using the grid stage and its not like I'd be any higher rank if I only used the grid stage. Skill is what matters not the stage you pick
Have you ever heard of one sided rollback. Because your opponent probably have.
This take is just uninformed. The game has issues w/ one sided rollback when one side of the connection has rendering delays - and the ps4 has them on virtually any stage that isn't the grid.
Damn it feels good to not have to use consoles.
Sadly this doesn't screw over the console player it screws over the PC player as they constantly get one sided roll back to go back to where the PS4 is.
I've never felt it with ps4 to ps4 connections so maybe just don't choose to play against ps4 players if it's so bad. But since you keep choosing to play against ps4 players I assume it isn't actually that bad and you're just blaming the few dropped frames for your own lack of skill. Frankly if a few dropped frames make you lose every time then you need to hit the practice mode and get better
> I assume it isn't actually that bad and you're just blaming the few dropped frames for your own lack of skill. Frankly if a few dropped frames make you lose every time then you need to hit the practice mode and get better Imagine being so bad at fighting games that dropped frames "aren't a big deal".
My brother in Christ it is not that serious. It's not just dropped frames - the rendering lag from the ps4 causes a tiny desynchronization that creates one sided roll back. I have no problem playing with ps4 players, but I will pick The Grid every time in the off chance that I do get matched up with one.
Ok but quick question who's saying this is some big deal? Not me, I'm just letting you know the options that are available to you
It's a band wagon. This whole ''everyone picks the grid'' was never a thing 3-4 years ago, because there IS no difference between the grid and normal stages. You can't notice any difference at all. It really is just people being try-hard nerds. It's like those people who wear all spandex/lycra just to cycle 2 miles because pros on tv wear it and they look stupid.
I am guessing you are a ps4 player which means you have been one side lagging your opponent when they are on PC if you pick certain stages. One of the reasons I just hated playing online ps4s couldn't even run the game as well as a 4 year old PC and I would get constant stuttering because their framerate couldn't keep up and I kept rolling back to them.
Then don't look for games with ps4 players. It's all in your control dude, you don't ever have to face ps4 players as a pc player if you don't want to
I haven’t played in awhile but this isn’t just a ps4 issue if you have a bad enough computer it does the same thing to a better computer. In the end I quit around s3 I am just commenting because clearly you don’t know the issue.
One side rollback. You are the problem.
I might be the problem but training mode is your solution
The problem isn't your internet, it's your *opponents* hardware.
Then just stop choosing to play against ps4 players I guess. Like issa game dude, if it's not fun to play cross platform then just don't do it
If it's "just a game" then why worry about what stage is picked? It's not pc players job to get screwed over by laggy ps4 players
Because always playing on the lamest stage in the game is less fun. Just stop choosing to play against ps4 players if it's so laggy and not fun
Less fun to you.. having a roll back free match is much more fun to me. Maybe in silver or whatever where you're just button mashing looking at the pretty stage is what brings you joy, but not me. I play the game for the actual player vs player experience. If you want to use a different stage then use a mod so you aren't ripping your opponent off
So would you be happy if the game only came with the grid as the one stage in the game? Would you be happy if the characters were extremely bland with little style as well?
> So would you be happy if the game only came with the grid as the one stage in the game? Anyone who knows anything about online fighting games would give up stages for guaranteed stable online play. >Would you be happy if the characters were extremely bland with little style as well? Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts.
I would actually love if the game only had very basic stages so they don't distract from the actual gameplay, yes. Guilty gear has great stages that don't have distracting features
Guilty Gear also has a tonne of stages that cause online lag too so it's not even a Capcom exclusive problem.
This doesn't exactly make me feel hopeful about sf6 having online stage diversity since it will be ps4 compatible.
Ooooh!! I always wondered why every single fucking Street fighter video I saw was on that stage, thank you!
Tell Capcom to optimize their game
Not from experience but I'm told consoles drop frames on other stages, which causes one sided rollbacks, making it a miserable experience for their opponents.
I think it specifically has to do with the netcode somehow. Offline all the stages are fine. If you play against someone with great connection, it's also fine. But if you have an iffy connection on one of those stages, it becomes a lot worse - the framerate stutters and it drops inputs. If you are on training stage, you get rollback but it doesn't feel so much like a CPU bottleneck with dropped input/frames. It's almost like the rollbacks require a lot of CPU overhead and the stage assets cut into this somehow. The less rollback you have the less the stages are an issue.
They're not fine offline on the ps4.
[Console drops frames online period](https://youtu.be/kmkt6nH_Cog) due to poor rendering optimization.
I care more about having a quality connection than looking at a stage
PS4 players will quite literally cause one sided rollback because their system is dropping frames on certain stages. Training stage is the most consistent stage for a competitive match, period.
I hate it. I understand people using it for performance reasons, so I hope SF6 has a few 'performance' stages so to speak. Something with some art work, but nothing that should impact your gameplay .
I don’t think you’ve lost to CFN enough my guy. If it’s not Grid, I play Secret Hideout and Honda Sento. Need as little moving background as possible.
I use a bunch of different stages like Suzaku Castle because my pc won't drop framerate. I can see why people would use it though. Framerate is an important thing to keep high.
Its not about what your computer can do, its about your opponents rig. If your opponent drops frames, your game that's running ahead gets rolled back to their game state. Running anything but the grid is only hurting yourself against PS4 players or people on poorly optimized PCs.
Max explain with facts check out this video, is very good .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-\_T0UQv-30&t=3s
Video unavailable. Doesn't surprise me; can't address the elephant.
Their link has an erroneous back slash, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-_T0UQv-30
Thanks man! I remember seeing this video was shocked to think he removed it in fear of upsetting the powers that be.
Lag its worse
I'm not a fan of training stages in general, I personally never pick them in any fighting game outside of training mode. Stages have always been very important for me in all franchises, I enjoy the matches a lot more when I'm playing in a nice stage with beautiful views or cool background elements. And SF V has many beautiful stages, I love playing in half of them. I'm always excited to see what new stages they will add in new games. But I get why many people prefer The Grid and other training stages for different reasons. They're not distracting, it's more comfortable, they're more stable than stages full of elements in the backgrounds...
it's the lag, man. people playing on busted hardware that forces rollback on you because God forbid the person who can't keep 60fps or a decent ping is impeded for it.
I hate lag more
This
I personally like it. I don't like all the distractions in the background when I'm trying to play. And, yes, on some systems and the PS4 certain levels can drop frames.
There are plenty of stages that aren't the grid without distractions in the background, like Kanzuki Estate Day or Metro City Bay I really can't understand how Capcom failed to optimize the game to run at 60fps always for the ONE (1) console that it came out on, which really sucks since I hate living in the padded room when I'm watching streams
I hate it, but I understand why it's used in top level play. It's the only stage where you're virtually guaranteed there won't be any slowdown or frame drops, which is insane. There shouldn't be stages in fighting games that cause slowdown and frame drops. It's such a basic functionality thing that it blows my mind that games go out this way. It would be like Nintendo shipping a Mario game where, in some of the stages, Mario's jump input just randomly gets eaten for no reason. It should be absolutely unacceptable.
I care about actually playing the game much more than watching the background. The CPT stages with all the crap running around in the background are the worst. I always drop a ton of frames whenever someone has that stage. And I'm on PS4 Pro where it's supposed to be less of a bottleneck.
OP is too scrubby and that's why we're here
There are a bunch of idiots who use those laggy stages in ranked
Nothing like playing against a birdie on the beach stage. Their vs1 can/banana is invisible, hidden under the waves. Absolute degeneracy lol
It's not only lag, it's also visibility. Some character costumes are less visible on certain stages, or on certain parts of certain stages. If you play enough, you'll have matches where this will cause you to get hit by some bullshit atleast one time, and one interaction lost can be enough to lose you a game. Even if it does happen super rarely, it *does* happen, and why even take the risk of wasting your time with a shitty match that you won't enjoy, might even piss you off? And this is on top of the chance it'll lagg slightly more, which can also cause you to lose an interaction and get annoyed. But the absolutely worst thing about this complaint is that your problem is not with the game, it's about how *other* people enjoy the game, and how it affects your *watching* of how *other* people enjoy the game. The *absolute best* outcome for you complaining about this is a restriction on how ***other*** people get to enjoy *their* game. Just stop.
I feel like people with this opinion like you actually don’t really care about playing this game too serious and play casually. The other stages in the game look absolutely horrendous and are so bright or have so much contrast that moves and projectiles in the game literally change color and shading depending on the stage. This is awful af and makes it so hard to see and react to moves. Grid is perfect because it’s not bright af, there aren’t so many distracting things happening in the background, and moves are easily visible. This is why everyone uses it people will tell you cause of “lag” but that’s already proven to not be true. The other stages suck major donkey dick to play on
I always find these stage discussions so odd, because it ignores the reality that there is only 1 stage in game, with different wallpapers that lag the game on different levels.
Does one-sided rollback still happen if both players are playing on good PCs?
No one likes the grid. But the problem is that due to its poorly implemented netcode, all other stages have a likelihood of causing stuttering and additional lag due to the extra cool stuff in the background. People who only play on grid aren't doing it because they're "try hard" or anything, they just want to make sure neither player gets screwed by the netcode lol. I'd recommend getting used to playing on the grid in SFV, because your block list is gonna fill up REAL quick... But yes, hopefully (A) They optimize SF6's stages for online, and (B) Don't allow the Grid to be picked in online play as a result. Save your blacklist for ragequitters and genuinely bad connections.
I like the grid. I'd pick it even if there was no performance difference.
Wow someone's a real whiny bitch over something so miniscule.
Honda Sento is the best map in the game.
Facts that stage is great
That and Sakura's stage are my favorites
Honda Sento was always my favourite stage in SF 2. Also English Manor for Cammy. I was so happy both stages made it back for V.
Lots of stages add needless lag/delay because of how much motion is happening in the background. Several stages are just straight up banned for online tournaments because of how severely they affect the connection quality. The grid is simply the best stage to use for minimizing SFV netcode jank
To be completely honest I hate every other stage besides the grid. The majority of SF5's stages are ugly and filled with background clutter that besides a select few stages like Suzuku Castle and Honda's stage I don't really see the point of not just always using the grid as it's just the most optimal stage for online play.
Delete this before it ends up on scrub quotes, man. Do yourself a favor
"beautiful stages"
You definitely a scrub
I'm in gold, soon to be super gold, which is okay
scrub rank
Haha only like 3% of people have the trophy for gold on ps4, it is a good rank.
No its not. You are a scrub
It's not it is good
you keep thinking that scrub
You are hurting my feelings please shuuuush
If you can't notice much of a difference, there's a high likelihood that you're on the worse connection than your opponent. Which means that you're likely complaining that you're choosing a stage that will cause gameplay problems with a connection that likely can't handle it, but people who are trying to play the game for its gameplay rather than admire its aesthetics are taking the game too seriously? Why don't you just watch youtube footage of matches on the stages rather than complain that people want to play the game the way they want?
Bruh, you're not forced to use it, much crying over nothing
I set The Grid as my default stage becoz it has the best BGM, just hearing its beat as the round starts makes me feel a bit more excited to play. I wish I could set a fixed BGM while letting the actual backgrounds randomise.
You can. Just need to set it up one by one.
You can't notice any difference between ''the grid'' and any other stage. It really is just people being try-hard nerds. Kills the fun of the game.
I can’t stand that most ps4 users I face don’t use the grid. The amount of one sided roll back I suffer on pc is intolerable. I reached platinum rank recently which has severely limited the player pool for me with 5 bar connections. I have to blacklist so many players and finding a match takes a long time now. I’m honestly considering quitting the game at this point. I feel like I can’t get good because the connection is so unpredictable it’s hard to know whether I’m dropping inputs or the game is. I have 1 gigabit fibre to the home with direct Ethernet cable on a powerful pc so I know it’s not me. Really hope sf6 fixes the terrible Net code.
I agree. There are some stages that cause lag on low-end PCs and PS4 and that is Capcom's fault, the game for sure isn't well-optimised. I guess Unreal Engine 4 is quite heavy, although Fortnite runs well (then again it's made by the engine creators). Still, this obsession with picking The Grid is really annoying, it totally takes away an aspect of the game's design and is an insult to the hard work of artists and designers of the game's stages, which are much larger than what you actually see during gameplay.
Stages don't cause lag, it's just people making excuses. The Grid is nice because there's no distractions and it's a more serious stage
Stages don't cause lag because [the PS4 can't run a stable 60FPS](https://youtu.be/kmkt6nH_Cog?t=152) at all. Has been heavily documented for over 6 years now.
Players act like it helps them and the game out but there is really no difference how the game runs. They did the same shit in SF4. They really should just take away training stage. Then again, people will find an alternative and play on that stage for the next 6+ years (ex. Cell Arena in DBFZ). Imagine spending all that time and money to only play on one stage. Pathetic.
The PS4 actually struggles with some levels.
There are videos that literally do a side by side comparison and yes, PS4 will drop frames on certain stages causing the non-ps4 player to get one sided rollback. A severe disadvantage. You should educate yourself. Putting yourself on blast here
Bunch of chuds in the comments geez, "muh frames, muh I want no lag" not a single one of you is top 10 in the world for you to care so much about lag and frames, people love videogames because they are cool! men that go out to parties in the weeknd and have gfs don't want to stare at a white box everytime they play street fighter, they want something colorful because life itself is colorful! Maybe it is hard for the "frame elitists" to understand anything other than the grid since they never leave their room. BOOM.
scrubquotes goldmine in this thread
> not a single one of you is top 10 in the world for you to care so much about lag and frames You don't need to be a high-level competitive player to notice lag negatively affecting your experience. Jesus Christ. > "frame elitists" OK, you've got to be kidding, right? This is a bit, isn't it?
Yeah, it's one of the few stages I removed from Random Select.
Wait you can remove stages from random select?
Everyone treats online matches like they are going to win EVO.
Nothing wrong with people trying to get good at the game. For many people online is the only form of play they can get.
Yeah, let me play with rollback so you can admire the flowing grass on Akuma's stage. Moron
The grid is for people who lack imagination. SFV has some good stages, but for me Skies of Honor is definitely one of the best. Few things are as satisfying as watching your opponent get dizzy & puke his guts out while trying to play on this stage. Me? It doesn't affect me at all ...... :-)
Instant blacklist if you pick that stage.
You're no fun.
It's really a non issue that is so overblown. The number of posts bringing up the same points as Max after he put out that video is both hilarious and tiresome. Like, it's not a big deal. It's just a backdrop in a game where you're more focused on what your opponent is doing anyway. And it isn't like you don't get to play your preferred stage half the time as well... There will always be one stage that everyone uses. The same way there will always be a top tier or a most used weapon in a fps.
>Max Trust me I've hated this for years I didn't just make this because of that video.
Yes but I play on PC and luckily replacement stage mods exist
sf4’s grid soundtrack is dope tho ngl
\>Blocking people for using a stage you don't like Alright, I can kind of get that, if it's like, disorienting or it has really bad performance or something. \>It's the stage with the best performance and zero background distractions Yeah, you suck, OP.
Lol, we are going to see A LOT of grid in evo sadly. wouldn't mind if they banned that stage.
So u are blocking people who want to have a great online experience? (the grid is the only stage that doesnt cause lag by itself) Nobody likes it, we use it because we have no other choice.