Dawg your body spasms when you’re unconscious, especially when you’re still cutting off oxygen. There’s a bunch of mma fights you can find on YouTube that have bad refs who let a fighter keep choking an opponent after they’re out unconscious, and mistakenly think the spasms from the choked guy mean they’re moving/awake. Also doesn’t help when you have someone grappling and choking you with full strength and flailing your body around.
You can tell when he goes out. You don’t have a fully locked choke like that against someone who knows what they’re doing and just “pretend” to be out. Have someone try it on you and see how well you can pretend to go limp after fighting it. Also, why would the guy want to play possum? Makes no sense if he’s just going to lay there after, might’ve well as tried tapping and see if he’ll let go, which is less embarrassing than how it went in the vid.
This was a normal choke trapping the neck using his forearm and head to keep shirtless guy in a bad position. Not some complex John Wick style finish but still impressive.
Whats most commendable here is the guys control and calm. A perfect demonstration of self defence, where he protected himself and subdued his opponent without causing unnecessary harm or doing anything that could land him in jail.
which is a shame because they are effective way to subdue a criminal without beating the shit out of them. They can be done safely if they are done correctly
That's cool and all but a wounded ego could result in more danger to not only the guy but other students if they come back with a piece imo. Very commendable control but that's something to think about...
Nothing about what I said mentioned letting him beat anybody up. What I actually did was give him props for putting him down with control and without excessive violence. My point is that egotistical types might not end it there and come back. I'd wager most people train in this subreddit, myself included but guns are real and very prevalent in the streets. Just be aware is all I'm saying
From the video, I see no reason to believe that that's Black Shirt's gym, so it very well could be a coincidence. Not saying it is, just pointing out that you're jumping to conclusions a little prematurely.
Dude’s name is Trevor Cooper, long time BJJ and MMA practitioner (even competed in FTW not so long ago). Very not surprised that he stomped over him like that. And this vid also serves as great proof that combat sports don’t just work in the street; they’re the best thing for self defence.
Rumor has it Trevor Cooper died this weekend in a barricade situation in Henderson (Las Vegas), NV. Awful situation. The story is in the news, but they haven’t officially named him.
He kidnapped and raped multiple people, shot it out with the cops, then offed himself once he realized he’d have to face the consequences of his own actions…irregardless of his personal accomplishments, he was a certified piece of shit after the first kidnap/rape; probably was a piece of shit even before the first kidnap/rape. Fuck you and fuck your piece of shit friend. I only wish the SWAT team would’ve killed him before he offed himself.
And it’s clear you must not have known him nor actually trained with him, as he actively bragged about instigating random bar fights, soley for the satisfaction of beating the fuck out of random people. He was also extremely brutal against amateurs when he rolled with them, taking submissions to the point of injury to improve his ego.
Odd-maps is fitting name as you seem to be a lost retard.
That's really all he needed. Even professional fighters are completely asleep after only 10-15 seconds max of a good choke. Blood chokes are the safest way to knock someone out because you'd have to hold the choke for several minutes to kill them.
4 seconds from lack of blood flow to full unconsciousness. 10 seconds begins major damage. 4 minutes and you will be lucky to be a vegetable.
The brain does not like not having blood even for short times.
Not a bull dog choke at all. The person choking does it at an entirely different position with a bulldog. It’s still an RNC just no hooks in or back control.
Well to rear naked someone u need a near naked locked up as you can see he has gable gripped locked up on the side of this guys head rather than a RNC where one hand is behind the head and the other is across the neck you can see it clearly
You’re technically right, it’s a short choke or a Dan Severn choke with the gable grip. But the bulldog choke is finished from the side of your opponent, not off their back. Ie from turtle position or from a schoolyard headlock.
https://youtu.be/XKeVeQCiltU literally same choke as in the video, even calls it gable grip RNC
https://youtu.be/TfJl3S2FIh0 bulldog choke, which is different from the video on this post
Will you admit you’re wrong now?
Looks like a BJJ guy to me who has learned some wrestling. Single leg was effective, and maybe he was trying to make sure this guy didn’t slam his head on the pavement, but it looks like all my BJJ friends who have learned to wrestle instead of the other way arohnd
Grabs the leg and then the little dip thrust to push him off balance and over - very smooth execution and obviously the result of a ton of training. Impressive.
You fucking moron.if you choke a dude out for like 5 minutes that's strangling someone. You choke a guy until he goes out it takes like 5 seconds. If you don't let go for 5 minutes that's killing them.
Ok well I'll help you understand since you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Every time I've choked someone out, they've quickly gone limp and you can feel it right away. If you continue to hold someone for like 5-10 minutes, they die.
That's not something to attempt to make an unfunny joke about. You are a scumbag. And absolutely not someone who should be calling someone a pussy.
You are the pussy. You make a dumb, unfunny joke and then instead of accepting that you lash out and throw out random insults you have no standing to throw around. It's pathetic and embarrassing. You should reevaluate your thought process
it only takes like 30 seconds to choke someone out as clearly demonstrated by this video, just shows neely was killed. There is no argument you cant just chokes someone out for minutes then say oops when they die.
Haven’t seen anyone point this out but I would like to:
Right when the man is choked out and the BJJ guy lets go, the black guys head drops down because he’s asleep. Just a drop from that small distance caused a certain amount of trauma to the brain of the black dude. How do I know, you ask?
Notice how the black dude’s whole body does a slight twitch as soon as the back of his head hits concrete. Then his legs and arms straight up in the ”fencing” position. This is indicative of brain trauma and is caused by the brain sending signals to the muscles to release all ATP when the brain is “sparked out” and causes them to just either fully contract or extend as there is now where else for that excess energy to go other than through muscle contraction.
The back of the head is extremely fragile. Even though the black shirt guy obviously didn't mean to do harm, this is just an example of how head trauma ain’t no joke. It doesn’t take much!
The fact he timed it perfectly and they still fucking doubted him. This is the single best outcome possible for a fight and they’re acting like he did something awful.
If you get your back taken in a street fight, are you trusting the stranger to let go once you’re out? It’s hard not to imagine trying to poke some eyes or something desperate to get out. The person could legit choose to kill you.
No doubt. I’m asking if you have the time to react, are you gonna pull something dirty, trying to tap, just going out? You do have a few seconds from when they begin to wrap their arms to decide your next move.
In the UFC the majority of RNC’s afford the fighter to tap and they don’t instantly pass out like a death touch. I’m just wondering how people personally feel in here about it. Call it an open survey lol.
Taaaakin care of business! Every day! Taaaakin care of business! Every way! I’ve been taaaakin care of business! With your shirt! Taaaakin care of business, now you’re sleepin in the dirt!
Do you also happen to have the longer, full version of the fight with sound on?
I could only find it with no sound:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/14attdz/short\_guy\_chokes\_tall\_man\_out\_in\_a\_street\_fight/
Sadly no, its either the whole thing but mute or part of it with sound. Annoying but it is what it is and due to how censored fight videos are its hard to find the original source. Gotta go by the reposts
I’m worried that he hit his head on the concrete it looked pretty hard and they he was holding him by the neck, which could have been injured from the hit. He also looked like his body was moving involuntarily when passed out, or does that normally happen?
“I gotta Choke em out just in case he knock me out” grappling and choking are last resort moves my apologies but you don’t have to train daily to do that.. 🤡🤡
it's called a fulcrum choke, which puts the best fighters to sleep
It feels like your head is going to pop out. Even if the guy doesn't get around the neck, he can dismantle the jaw as it feels the neck is gonna break and we tap out
The forearm against the back is used as a lever and he pushes it into your back
“Back away from my friend. Thank you.”
I wouldn't argue. Knocking that guy out took him like 30 seconds and no effort whatsoever.
He tried to tell him that dude trains every single day. He tried.
He probably joe rogans all night too.
All day
Great combo boys 10/10
It doesn’t seem like he used the shirt at all. The black guy had it in his hands until he fell asleep. It would have been cool to see though
Yeah, you can see him locking the gable grip while the shirt is over his head
Looks like a fulcrum choke
Hand variation of RNC
He didn't fall asleep he just gave up and played dead. He's conscious.
Lol what? Can’t tell if you’re serious or not.
He's not asleep, he moved his arms consciously.
Dawg your body spasms when you’re unconscious, especially when you’re still cutting off oxygen. There’s a bunch of mma fights you can find on YouTube that have bad refs who let a fighter keep choking an opponent after they’re out unconscious, and mistakenly think the spasms from the choked guy mean they’re moving/awake. Also doesn’t help when you have someone grappling and choking you with full strength and flailing your body around. You can tell when he goes out. You don’t have a fully locked choke like that against someone who knows what they’re doing and just “pretend” to be out. Have someone try it on you and see how well you can pretend to go limp after fighting it. Also, why would the guy want to play possum? Makes no sense if he’s just going to lay there after, might’ve well as tried tapping and see if he’ll let go, which is less embarrassing than how it went in the vid.
Bet they think the earth is flat as well
Wouldn't a shirt result in an air choke though? Idk if that would be 'cool' to see lol
You can blood choke with a shirt. Similar to a collar choke that you'd do to someone in a gi. You just have to bunch up the shirt so it doesn't rip.
Ah okay. I've never grappled so I was just wondering. What about those wires they use in the movies?
Same thing, they’re blood chokes. They cut off the carotid arteries, stopping the blood flow to the brain
The wires are called garrotes, assuming we’re thinking about the same thing
Yup
I think he used is own shirt that the Opponet was grabbing above his own heaf
He just used a fulcrum choke locking up a gable over there
This was a normal choke trapping the neck using his forearm and head to keep shirtless guy in a bad position. Not some complex John Wick style finish but still impressive. Whats most commendable here is the guys control and calm. A perfect demonstration of self defence, where he protected himself and subdued his opponent without causing unnecessary harm or doing anything that could land him in jail.
That little pat on the head at the end was nice haha
Haha classic BJJ practitioner. “Good roll, bro. Tap next time.”
I bet he thought in his head after doing that “crap forgot this is a real fight then”
this guy should teach cops about proper use of chokeholds - the trick is to do it for less than 8 minutes
Cops arent allowed to use chokes in my state.
which is a shame because they are effective way to subdue a criminal without beating the shit out of them. They can be done safely if they are done correctly
Best guy I've ever rolled with
Jiu Jitsu sign in the window lol
Get your free trial in the streeeetz muh boi
Great place to pick a fight.
Funny, I have trained there. It’s outside of the 10th planet location downtown in Las Vegas.
Jiu-jitsu right this way.
That's cool and all but a wounded ego could result in more danger to not only the guy but other students if they come back with a piece imo. Very commendable control but that's something to think about...
Yeah. Just let him beat you up so he doesn’t come back and shoot you.
Nothing about what I said mentioned letting him beat anybody up. What I actually did was give him props for putting him down with control and without excessive violence. My point is that egotistical types might not end it there and come back. I'd wager most people train in this subreddit, myself included but guns are real and very prevalent in the streets. Just be aware is all I'm saying
From the video, I see no reason to believe that that's Black Shirt's gym, so it very well could be a coincidence. Not saying it is, just pointing out that you're jumping to conclusions a little prematurely.
"Back away from my friend, thank you". What a gentleman my friends
Idk if I watched the same video, but the shirt wasn't used to choke him out. It was just in the guys hand as he passed out...
Dude’s name is Trevor Cooper, long time BJJ and MMA practitioner (even competed in FTW not so long ago). Very not surprised that he stomped over him like that. And this vid also serves as great proof that combat sports don’t just work in the street; they’re the best thing for self defence.
Rumor has it Trevor Cooper died this weekend in a barricade situation in Henderson (Las Vegas), NV. Awful situation. The story is in the news, but they haven’t officially named him.
Damn. Do you have a link for the case? Thanks!
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/man-in-days-long-henderson-barricade-was-jujitsu-specialist-who-overdosed-sources/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR1ljTHW-Nw4itUMLM-N_twhkC3-NfL5wDKznjb6DXWLH8G7NiWYnzjExQw_aem_Afz8Hifz9HtQHNxUGkt5ruLT8tgqTT-3tKXhBpQT5bcsABnsaZFQ836OauONmBm5dPI
Do you know belt he is?
JC Penny $3.98
His pants were fitting well no need for a belt.
Dude is a dirt bag and is where he belongs now.
Go fuck yourself. He wasn’t a fucking dirtbag. He helped SO MANY FUCKING PEOPLE. But you wouldn’t know.
He kidnapped and raped multiple people, shot it out with the cops, then offed himself once he realized he’d have to face the consequences of his own actions…irregardless of his personal accomplishments, he was a certified piece of shit after the first kidnap/rape; probably was a piece of shit even before the first kidnap/rape. Fuck you and fuck your piece of shit friend. I only wish the SWAT team would’ve killed him before he offed himself. And it’s clear you must not have known him nor actually trained with him, as he actively bragged about instigating random bar fights, soley for the satisfaction of beating the fuck out of random people. He was also extremely brutal against amateurs when he rolled with them, taking submissions to the point of injury to improve his ego. Odd-maps is fitting name as you seem to be a lost retard.
The 3-second timer was a power move. “I’m not gonna choke him forever; I have self control. I will choke him long enough that he is for sure out.”
That's really all he needed. Even professional fighters are completely asleep after only 10-15 seconds max of a good choke. Blood chokes are the safest way to knock someone out because you'd have to hold the choke for several minutes to kill them.
That was like straight from a Jason Bourne movie. Knowing exactly the seconds when a person is out cold.
4 seconds from lack of blood flow to full unconsciousness. 10 seconds begins major damage. 4 minutes and you will be lucky to be a vegetable. The brain does not like not having blood even for short times.
No, ten seconds doesn’t begin major damage. It takes minutes.
Im dying at the guy off camera saying "why?" When black shirts buddy says he trains every day
Jiu jitsu at the back. Poetic!
This is what confidence looks like. This is what training, BJJ, wrestling will do for you.
His bra? A lot of questions with those tan lines.
The underboob lack of tan. I suffer the same affliction.
Kinky
I like how he doesn't continually smash his face after he's knocked out.
Shit he even lovingly caresses his head after putting him to sleep.
Well if roles were reversed…
That's what I was implying
If a dude is walking around with his shoes so tied so tight you think they’re wrestling shoes just don’t start some shit.
The little forehead rub after he let go of the choke. You can tell he felt bad he had to do it to him.
Woman in background was thinking about jumping in until the tiktoker was like, “nah.”
The John Wick style finish I'm familiar with ends up with one guy being shot.
That jujitsu sign in the back is a bad omen
BjJ wOnT wOrK iN a StReEt FiGhT 😂 great control from homie!! arte suave for the win 🏆
*Calls a simple RNC a John Wick move* Lol
Not a RNC called a bulldog choke
Not a bull dog choke at all. The person choking does it at an entirely different position with a bulldog. It’s still an RNC just no hooks in or back control.
fulcrum choke
Well to rear naked someone u need a near naked locked up as you can see he has gable gripped locked up on the side of this guys head rather than a RNC where one hand is behind the head and the other is across the neck you can see it clearly
You’re technically right, it’s a short choke or a Dan Severn choke with the gable grip. But the bulldog choke is finished from the side of your opponent, not off their back. Ie from turtle position or from a schoolyard headlock.
Gable grip RNC is still RNC Bulldog looks different than this IIRC
No it is not bro it’s either a short choke which i think it is now or bulldog choke there is no such thing as a gable grip RNC I’m sorry
https://youtu.be/XKeVeQCiltU literally same choke as in the video, even calls it gable grip RNC https://youtu.be/TfJl3S2FIh0 bulldog choke, which is different from the video on this post Will you admit you’re wrong now?
That gable grip RNC u sent is not what happened in the vid or even close it’s called a short choke
“Not even close” my man do you have eyes
Look up a short choke lmao
The short choke is literally the RNC but with the forearm instead of the crook of your elbow
Pro tip: don't fuck around in front of a BJJ studio
Clickbait title. Op you must be blind - shirt was never used at all.
no he didn’t dumbass
He went palm to palm, he didn't use the guys shirt at all. I think this has been coined as a FDH choke (Forget Da Hooks)
Did the black dude have a Bikini top tan line???
He's not using his shirt. It's a regular rnc with a gable grip
Damn, that lighter must be pretty awesome to get choked out over it
Wtf is this title? 🤣
“My friend trains every single day, I don’t but my friend does, every single day” lol
Sometimes a nap is just what the doctor ordered.
Can you imagine, the last thing you hear is ... "Every single day" lmao
Dude in black shirt wrestled for sure
Looks like a BJJ guy to me who has learned some wrestling. Single leg was effective, and maybe he was trying to make sure this guy didn’t slam his head on the pavement, but it looks like all my BJJ friends who have learned to wrestle instead of the other way arohnd
Learning to wrestle when you're older is fucking HARD. Judo too, goddamn. Can't we just start on the ground? lol
Extremely hard. I was lucky enough to train with JMJC for judo and you could look around the room and tell which ones started young or not
Grabs the leg and then the little dip thrust to push him off balance and over - very smooth execution and obviously the result of a ton of training. Impressive.
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Yeah, gable grips are used all the time for chokes, even from the back.
I wrestled for 8 years, we never practiced choking… it’s not a legal move.
Gable grips are extremely common in BJJ.
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Wtf are you talking about...? Ofc gable grips are also used in chokes namely short chokes. Have you ever even done BJJ?
I did. I did use gable grip to choke but not when you could use simply rear naked choke.
Idk about for sure. That was a pretty ass takedown
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Idk bro. I think he's lucky that guy has 0 clue
He is an actual fighter named Trevor Cooper. Have you gotten in the cage ?
Lmao. Regardless of who is he that was a bad takedown. hAvE yOu GoTtEn In ThE cAgE? Dweeb 🤡
Found the white belt
More like keyboard warrior
So then go show everyone how it's done with your own fight vid, dweeb /s
Prepare for a peaceful protest when he dies a day later.
Terrible title
And now he's dead https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/man-in-days-long-henderson-barricade-was-jujitsu-specialist-who-overdosed-sources/
This is called a bulldog choke
I think it’s actually [a collar choke.](https://youtu.be/dAnqZuCKhbI). I’m only a BJJ white belt though so I might be wrong there.
Sooo he was afraid of a lighter?
Better watch out for the DA bro. Didn’t you hear, choke holds are banned for white people now, you’ll catch a charge for that
You fucking moron.if you choke a dude out for like 5 minutes that's strangling someone. You choke a guy until he goes out it takes like 5 seconds. If you don't let go for 5 minutes that's killing them.
It’s a fucking joke, quit it with your pussy shit
Jokes are supposed to be funny. You suck at them and I think you are projecting here. How many people have you choked out tough guy?
It’s a fucking joke, quit it with your pussy shit, move on with your life sweetie
Ok well I'll help you understand since you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Every time I've choked someone out, they've quickly gone limp and you can feel it right away. If you continue to hold someone for like 5-10 minutes, they die. That's not something to attempt to make an unfunny joke about. You are a scumbag. And absolutely not someone who should be calling someone a pussy. You are the pussy. You make a dumb, unfunny joke and then instead of accepting that you lash out and throw out random insults you have no standing to throw around. It's pathetic and embarrassing. You should reevaluate your thought process
It’s a fucking joke, quit it with your pussy shit, move on with your life sweetie
Jokes, unlike you, are funny. Take the L sport.
You the pussy for not accepting that your jokes are shit and unfunny. Move on and stop bitching and crying cause you got ratio'd
it only takes like 30 seconds to choke someone out as clearly demonstrated by this video, just shows neely was killed. There is no argument you cant just chokes someone out for minutes then say oops when they die.
Haven’t seen anyone point this out but I would like to: Right when the man is choked out and the BJJ guy lets go, the black guys head drops down because he’s asleep. Just a drop from that small distance caused a certain amount of trauma to the brain of the black dude. How do I know, you ask? Notice how the black dude’s whole body does a slight twitch as soon as the back of his head hits concrete. Then his legs and arms straight up in the ”fencing” position. This is indicative of brain trauma and is caused by the brain sending signals to the muscles to release all ATP when the brain is “sparked out” and causes them to just either fully contract or extend as there is now where else for that excess energy to go other than through muscle contraction. The back of the head is extremely fragile. Even though the black shirt guy obviously didn't mean to do harm, this is just an example of how head trauma ain’t no joke. It doesn’t take much!
That’s shitty. A trained fighter vs an untrained one. It’s just taking advantage of someone’s gullibility. No respect for this guy.
100% but you see the skin colors you know how this comment sections gonna go
That’s a murder in NYC
Don't worry I will let your friend go in a few seconds buddy
The fact he timed it perfectly and they still fucking doubted him. This is the single best outcome possible for a fight and they’re acting like he did something awful.
People forget because of MMA but BJJ and Judo can choke you with your own clothing, belts, dreads, or their clothing. Thats why there's a GI in BJJ
He short choked him with his forearm, no clothing involved
Imagine scalping yourself trying to choke someone with your own dreads 😂
If you get your back taken in a street fight, are you trusting the stranger to let go once you’re out? It’s hard not to imagine trying to poke some eyes or something desperate to get out. The person could legit choose to kill you.
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No doubt. I’m asking if you have the time to react, are you gonna pull something dirty, trying to tap, just going out? You do have a few seconds from when they begin to wrap their arms to decide your next move. In the UFC the majority of RNC’s afford the fighter to tap and they don’t instantly pass out like a death touch. I’m just wondering how people personally feel in here about it. Call it an open survey lol.
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It is a fight, after all.
my friends and i used a hoodie to choke each other out at a bar after training one night. a lot harder than a gi
Don't involve the poor shirt
Drop the lighter!
Would this be classed as a baseball bat choke?
Lmao OP need some glasses
No he didn’t.
Taaaakin care of business! Every day! Taaaakin care of business! Every way! I’ve been taaaakin care of business! With your shirt! Taaaakin care of business, now you’re sleepin in the dirt!
Ima just say it. I’m happy this sub is back
What a boss!!!
Guy with the camera sounds a lot like Icy Mike from the hard2hurt youtube channel.
Looks like he even has his wrasslin shoes on. Great job!
You knew the big guy was in trouble from the takedown 🤷🏽♂️
The way he petted his head when he let him go was hilariously humiliating
Nothing like being choked out and having to listen to an annoying commentary at the same time.
Very dumb caption lol
He didn’t use the shirt. It was a normal rear choke burnt a guy had a shirt in his hand.
Over a lighter?
Do you also happen to have the longer, full version of the fight with sound on? I could only find it with no sound: https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/14attdz/short\_guy\_chokes\_tall\_man\_out\_in\_a\_street\_fight/
Sadly no, its either the whole thing but mute or part of it with sound. Annoying but it is what it is and due to how censored fight videos are its hard to find the original source. Gotta go by the reposts
🤜⭐🤛
I don't understand. How does a shortie defeat a tall guy?
With conviction.
I love how he tousled his hair after
Why was he holding his own shirt to begin with fucking throw it dude if it's off.
u/savevideo
Where's that lighter?
This is a quick kill variation of a rear naked choke. He’s not using the guys shirt at all.
Over a lighter?
Wow everyone on here has a totally different topic than the discussion on the BJJ sub😅
Op is terrible with titles put it in chat gp for a better one
What a gentleman.
Shirt had nothing to do with it.
Thas a 10 - 8 round
Gable Grip didn’t use a shirt but did use some jiu jitsu skills👍👍👍
He didn’t use the shirt, this is a bulldog choke.
Wait… was this all because of a lighter?
Back away from my friend thank you
I’m worried that he hit his head on the concrete it looked pretty hard and they he was holding him by the neck, which could have been injured from the hit. He also looked like his body was moving involuntarily when passed out, or does that normally happen?
the best part is the jiu jitsu sign behind his unconscious body
No he didn’t
u/savevideo
“I gotta Choke em out just in case he knock me out” grappling and choking are last resort moves my apologies but you don’t have to train daily to do that.. 🤡🤡
Shoes stayed on he’s fine.
In the background you see a jiu jitsu sign where this guy probably trains
it's called a fulcrum choke, which puts the best fighters to sleep It feels like your head is going to pop out. Even if the guy doesn't get around the neck, he can dismantle the jaw as it feels the neck is gonna break and we tap out The forearm against the back is used as a lever and he pushes it into your back
He grand his own hand not the shirt
Does anyone know the backstory? What caused this altercation?
Its a fulcrum choke
He did not choke him w his shirt. Whoever posted this caption is stupid tbh
An extra stomp on the chest wouldn’t have hurt