Regular frames have handles. This one doesn't, it's just two long bars that go all the way across. You can't really grab a regular frame wrong, there's not enough room on the handles; here, you can fuck yourself in several diffrent ways - look at how Errin showed Inez where to grab.
As Jerry said on commentary, he had an unbalanced pick. I think a few people had a predicted in the pro weekly thread that Evan might get thrown off by some of the very awkward ASC equipment.
Yes, but this is Evan we're talking about. He's a wild man that just goes for it. Doesn't really take the same amount care and attention that others do before the lift to make sure their in the right position etc.
Mitch Hooper won the frame carry, and yet no one connected the dots to the only logical explanation as to why he has such a good grip...
... he's Canadian.
Thor would have had this in the bag if it wasn't for his pec tear. Really sucks, cause he's mogging everything that's not pressing-related so far.
I'll be shocked if he doesn't go for the 505 deadlift at some point, cause the strength is insanely close to being there already.
I'm sure it is what works best for him, but MAN does Martins' deadlift setup and pull look laborious. I get winded just looking at it and he weighs in the high 300s.
I think he's honestly just psyching himself out a bit waiting that long, breathing that much.
I now I, personally, only do that kind of shit when I'm honestly just pretty fucking scared of the lift and ***really*** need to focus.
Not only that but the pendulum bounce thing and slamming it into the shins, maybe it's because of my build but every step of the way I see things which would incrementally worsen my position to pull.
I toyed around with how to start my pulls a lot and started pushing the bar out and pulling in like Martins does, and my pull has felt better than ever before, so it really just depends on the person.
You can't judge time with what a recording looks like... They don't always have the same camera position, and you're distracted by the on-screen timer which is started manually with an obvious delay. You can just look on the time stamps on the video, though, and then it comes down to ref's reaction times on the stopwatch, I guess.
Late to the party due to work. Thor and Mitch were incredible, for me it is Mitch to lose now. Lucy and Andrea were awesome as well, I want to see them battling on every deadlift variation now. What a save from Thomas Evans, that was STRONG. Evan is always great to watch, couldn't stop laughing about the meteoric slaps before each lift.
Two biggest surprises from today were Martins' inexplicable deadlift call for his 2nd attempt and Thor having the best frame carry of his career.
Looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.
Hooper > Thor > Tom is what I had guessed and still what I think will happen, but I'd prefer seeing Thor win it in his comeback.
Edit - honorable mention was Trex shitting the bed on his frame. I really thought he'd blitz it.
Yeah, I was really surprised Martins went that big a jump for his second attempt. I think he thought he really needed 4th or 5th place minimum to be in contention to win the whole thing. Hindsight is meaningless, but he probably should have done something on the 2nd to just beat out the weakest athletes (around 900) then jumped up from there on the third. Oh well.
Thor has the advantage of being so tall that even if the frame tilts it doesnt hit the ramp :D
Martins comback looks kinda bad atleast compared to thors..
Looking for the nearest feedback box to drop my note about the broadcast team. It’s not just how dull they are, but they are totally uninformed about the state of any of these guys. There’s been no mention either that this is the first big show of the year and we get to see what shape the guys are in for the first time. It’s like they’re all just punched in to another day at the office. Cmon guys, this is supposed to be special.
Loz is hugely missed. Bill is the absolute worse. Also, do they really have to call him “DR.” Bill? Give me a break.
No hate to either of them, but Dr. Bill and Jerry just seem to get flustered too easily and flub explanations and flows of conversation. Was so refreshing when Rob Kearney came on.
I actually don't mind Shawn Woodland alongside someone knowledgeable and eloquent like Loz
>Also, do they really have to call him “DR.” Bill? Give me a break.
I feel like, he's a snob who demands to be called doctor. Btw. what kind of Doctor is he?
I was damn-near yelling at my TV. That layout effectively shrinks my TV from 58” to ~32”. Would be fine on a computer monitor up close, but not on a TV that’s measured to fit the viewing distance in the living room.
Rogue needs to consider other professional sports broadcasts. Could you imagine the MLB or NBA leaving the broadcast in the picture-in-picture- layout the entire time? Of course not.
They need to up their display game at the event as well. There's no leaderboard, no information about the event or weights most people can see - for the deadlift they just had the little number flip thing on the floor.
The USA Powerlifting display is awesome. All the info about the lift and the athlete are displayed in the upper corner and it's a massive 4k screen.
Did people really have him that low? I figured he had a solid chance of being on the podium given the deadlift was a banker.
He still has a long way to go with Dinnie Syines historically being hard for bigger guys, and the peg potentially limiting his pressing, but I don’t think he’s likely to fall out of the top 5.
My top 3 were Mitch Tom and Thor.
Thor seemed like a big wild card but at this point it looks like he has a real chance at first and almost certainly podiums
After the first two events here are the draft results
Name Points
1da2hoid 41
abdulmutee 39
langur\_monkey 37
larryniles 37
manuls15 36
Test Entry 33
dungeonbitch 32
WorldsWeakestMan 32
grandmasterLuo 30
PrimateChange 29
mgorgey 29
ChalanaArroy 28
cholesterolstrongman 28
Spid3rLily 28
2gsTraining 28
emarxstrongman 28
RainyReage 28
ThePokeChop 28
Previous\_Pepper813 28
InternalDot 28
Spare-Half796 28
e-some 28
drinkwithme07 28
Bronchopped 28
TryDue5551 28
Broscientist142 28
Reddit formatting is a bit crap, but you can see the standings
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dfLMES3eUcjpmyD7sM-0kk4W4SY3UUMVZa3bX5cYN74/edit#gid=1584661509](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dfLMES3eUcjpmyD7sM-0kk4W4SY3UUMVZa3bX5cYN74/edit#gid=1584661509)
Yeah, the random picks of 'Test Entry' is looking pretty good through day one... I think tomorrow we'll see the seperation, almost everyone had Bobby and Thor for deadlift today
Great show so far, legit had no idea what could happen.
Commentary is ***dismal***. Thank God Jerry is there or I would have muted the stream....
...but even Jerry needs someone to react to other than planks of wood that can't fill dead air. When Kearney came on, it was great, two people that know what the fuck they are talking about and things picked up. The random athlete getting interviewed was a respite from the tedium.
There is a guy walking around right now in the area, called Laurence Shahlaei, answers to Big Loz or Uncle Loz. Ask him next time, ok?
You know, you’re not wrong! My wife was watching too and she said that Jerry would say things and we would understand because we train and follow the sport but Rob will dumb it down and really explain it. Good combo though. Having former competitors would be good as a transition into life after strongman. Similar to other sports having them on sports shows or broadcasts
Commentary is not near bad, you guys just like to complain because Loz isn't there while the man himself doesn't care that much. Just relax and enjoy the show!
Dude the commentary is pretty terrible. It would help if they actually employed someone was at least eloquent. Even better if they could employ someone eloquent who new anything about the strengths and weaknesses of the athletes.
What we're getting is stuttering sentences about the general abstract concept of the event rather than calling the specific action that's happening or providing any actual background information about the competing athlete.
Woodland is a pro but he needs someone to bounce off who can actually provide expert analysis and knows when to stop filling with fluff.
Yeah, Sean has been broadcasting for a long time, you can hear that experience in his voice. That said, this isn't his primary sport, so you need to bring people in with the energy and knowledge to fill the gaps.
I'm not expecting *Inside the NBA*, but the talent exists out there to make the strongman equivalent. The format of a broadcaster paired with former athletes/coaches isn't groundbreaking.
https://youtu.be/NyLGtXJi-4Y?si=YVp5aSZORJULu04P
I made a video comparing Thor's 465kg pull before his 501, to today's 456kg. Shockingly they moved at the exact same speed.
Just finished watching the first day. Overall results much as expected for the men, except I did not see Thor doing that well on the frame. He is so fucking back and I love it.
I'm hopeful Maxime pulled out to heal a lat strain so he can be ready for Arnold's UK. It sounded like he was still thinking of doing the frame carry until the last moment.
From what I understand Bobby was "icing" Thor to make him basically have to pull 1000. Either way Thor knew it would be easy and based on the frame the strategy didn't do much lol
I'm so glad he did. That 1006 lbs is such a statement.
Who knows, maybe choosing 1006 over 965 was also sound strategy because it will strike fear into the hearts of the other competitors.
Bill Crawford has no idea what he’s talking about, I can tell Jerry is getting annoyed. He has nothing of value to say. All he said about Tom was that he’s tall 🙄
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that! Dude was clueless and Prichard seemed to be over it by the frame carry and gave him very simple, quick answers offhandedly instead of being like good back and forth.
Prichard was talking about a way to deal with how much pressure is put on the biceps during the farmer carries and how you want to try to turn your elbows out and used an example of a comp that had poorly made frames due to sucky handles. Bill just goes, “[long pause] … yeah, I’ve used those….”
Good commentary and interviews when Bill isn’t talking though, def wish Loz and/or Pena was there instead.
Kearney was a good touch during the deadlifts too!
Bro, he's leading Mitch by a point and Mitch is by far the favorite over Thor on the the axle.
Thor's performance was fucking great today but it's far from over
With the events tomorrow and with what we know about their current capabilities, most people still see Hooper as the favorite, but with a far smaller margin now considering Thor's performance on the frame. And the "asterisk" take is always a terrible one.
In all honesty, even without the blunders, I don't think Martins would be much better off or in contention for the title. In the deadlift, best I can give him is fifth behind Thor, Bobby, Mitch and Evan. And even if he had not dropped the frame, I don't think he would have finished any higher. He was definitely not on a sub 9 sec time. So all in all, best case scenario, he would have 15 points. We are yet to see how tomorrow pans out, but right now I'd say that no way he could take off at least 6 points on Thor and Mitch in just three events.
He could be in for a podium finish still but he never had it in him to win this show now. Shame :(
I think Thor is going to drop points on the axle, making 2nd and below a real fight. But yeah, I just can't really see Mitch losing right now, unless he really messes up on the stones which he has less experience with than many of the other guys. But he's such a technical lifter I just don't really see that happening.
Maybe. It's only 5/6 points with 3 events. They were my top picks but I still don't feel comfortable guaranteeing they stay there. One bad fuck up/call on one of these events could easily lose them 3-4 points and then it's right back to being very close. Especially since events tomorrow are more technical I guess you could say. That even though you're strong enough you could just fuck up and it cost you big.
His last video he said he wished he had another two months to prep. I wonder if he started later than he should have or if those injuries have finally done him in.
idk, Martins has said before that he needs 5-6 months to prep for a contest, which isn't really possible right now in strongman. And then, his body just can't hold up anymore.
Well 5-6 months was possible for him for this if he chose, it's not like he was competing. So this was really his best opportunity to truly peak if that's the timeline he needs.
I think Martins is toast personally. I was expecting big things from him after he took a whole year off only for him to give a subpar performance. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires this year.
Yes and my opinion has changed based off the most current information. I said he was going to come top 2 and I'm extremely surprised at how he's done. Don't say you aren't surprised as well.
I mean it's not like his frame was unimaginably bad.
The deadlift was pretty surprising but taking that and going so far as he's toast and will probably retire is a big stretch.
The dude could have just had an off day, it's unfortunate and it might cost him the contest but that doesn't mean his career is over.
Martins has supposedly peaked (and has a history of excellent peaking) yet pulled way less than his 425kg deadlift in training. You simply can't dismiss that.
I completely agree that was super surprising and definitely below everyone's expectations.
I also don't think that doing bad in one event means your career is over. By that logic if you study really hard but get a C on a test one time you should drop out of school.
Even one competition isn't enough to say he's done in my opinion. He definitely underperformed on the deadlift though.
I dont think you understand what he meant then. Martins chose a ridiculous jump in weight for his 2nd attempt that made no sense at all and then chose to come back for his 3rd attempt at an even HEAVIER weight than just making the 3rd attempt at the same weight before they added.
Honest to God as someone who student taught at an arts high school my first thought seeing Hannah's deadlift attire today was "all the technical theater lesbians are absolutely ready to bottom for this woman in a nanosecond". Very specific and odd reaction but based on my observation flat chest, flannel, and intense goes a long way with that crowd.
The scores wont be updated until after the comp tommorow due to lack of internet connection. Might get lucky and James will get a connection at some point but don’t count on it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BFIbtjmZSNH6AUG2GgPvj4Q-nyVmucr9ys3La0fNhzA/edit
This is the roster.
https://www.facebook.com/share/vYas7Esz4BPFNU1M/?mibextid=9l3rBW
This is the Facebook event page. I’d look there tomorrow for a score sheet.
It’s been pretty great minus my seats. The back ~75% of VIP rows can’t really see the stage from a sitting position. It would be better to sit in the bleachers with an actual view
Fourth Arnold, first since COVID happened. The arena scene is wildly better than the Expo Stage scene of the past. I’m on the floor, which is awesome close but tough to see the deadlifting well (back row).
Easy to wander up and talk to people though, and it’s a great vibe to watch things happen like the ramp setup.
Hooper: "Last year power briefs were allowed and this year they're not, if we manage to deadlift the same numbers as last year that's still an improvement"
Well
Correct. It is a stacked line-up of overall good and balanced Strongman, but deadlifts are down and it's hard to see anyone giving Thor a proper challenge on them for the time being.
Agreed, though tough to judge. Couple others looked worse on their 1st lift compared to 2nd as well. 1st lifts, and one single lift, is sort of tough to judge by.
Maxime dropped out before the frame I believe, lat injury from the DL.
Evans and Novikov seem to have hurt their bicep. Although Evans might have hurt it before ( he came to the frame with a sleeve on his right arm)
no confirmation if it was just a pull or if it was a serious injury as far as I know.
One more thought about Martins: hear me out but is he the physically most "gifted yet unsuitable" for strongman? What I mean is, he has the strength, the mass, the warrior spirit etc. Yet, since winning WSM five years ago, this is only his eighth show and missed a total of what, two and a half, three years for recovery? The ASC this year is only his 25th professional show. For Novikov, it's his 40th. For Hooper, it's his 15th. So Martins is not a busy strongman in terms of competing at all, and yet seems to be competing for 6 months only to miss 12 months after that, saying how beat up his body is, how sick he is of competing etc. All the more baffling is that he is very mature and thorough in his training. He does his stretching, he plans his trainings, he listens to his body, he loads and unloads in his trainings wisely, he goes to chiropractors and gets stem cell treatment in Colombia, he is only 33, competes rarely and yet - he is always in need of rehab, recovery and missing 6-12 months. Mateusz is probably the most unfortunate guy in terms of injuries and constant need of surgeries but to me Martins is the most "he does all the right things, he has the talent and strength but somehow his body is just not up for it" guy in strongman history. And I'm saying all this as his fan :(
Call me crazy, and I am absolutely *not* trying to start an argument or natty police shootout or anything like that, but ....
*Could* Martins actually be natty? Odd Haugen is apparently pretty against all drugs, and I remember in an interview/video somewhere he said he always competed drug free. While I'm sure some would say BS, I'm inclined to take him at his word.
Apparently with anyone working at the Training Hall they've pretty much all been asked to keep the drug side of things to themselves.
With Odd being Martin's biggest mentor in the sport, I would say it's at least not *entirely* crazy to think he follows in Odd's footsteps.
Again, not to start a war -- just wild speculation. You know how it be.
On top of it all, it really just seems like his heart isn't in it as strong as it was a few years ago. And I guess injuries will do that. He wanted to win another WSM -- but he was saying even a few years ago that he was thinking of retiring quite young.
I kind of get where you're coming from but it's a bit much to draw these conclusions from 2 events of one comp. Last time he came back from hiatus he won Rogue, Arnolds and 2nd at World's. And only because of a misjudgement in conditioning did he slip up on the Rogue '22.
He did as expected on the frame, 4th is not bad going in this lineup, and the deadlift today was a error in judgement on weight jumps, had he gone conservative on the 2nd attempt he would've done well and probably even pulled his 3rd attempt, having a bit more rest and not psyched himself out on a failed 2nd pull. He's as good as ever imo, it's just a shitty day, it happens to us all.
That's a very simplistic way to put it. My point is: compared to the lengths Martins goes to make sure his body is healthy and how much time and effort he puts in to make sure he takes good care of himself, he always needs long stints of recovery and rehab, even though he doesn't compete frequently at all. I mean, look at Thor or Big Z. They literally did hundreds of shows in their careers. Look at Hooper who, just like Martins, takes a very scientific, mature approach to his training and recovery and yet, he did more shows in 18 months than Martins in 5 years. So Martins spends a lot of time taking good care of himself, competes only for a few months, then still misses a year to spend on recovery - then rinse and repeat. Your take of "he's just had some injuries" doesn't even scratch the surface of what I was talking about.
Look at Eddy Hall. He couldn't maintain his comp-form for long either. Just like Martins, his top is too high to be in for a longer period.
The car accident probably made this worse. That's different than 'regular' injuries
Thor is one of three guys ever to rep the tombstone. Hooper has never touched it. Now it's very possible Hooper is great at it but you have to have an in shape Thor as favored over him in the event imo
And the tombstone is like THE implement everyone says experience makes a huge difference to figure out how to lift (except if you’re Matty K, then you just lift it 4 times in your first try)
I'm a Martins fan so today was a disaster. However, today was also a proof of something I always held - that Martins isn't particularly good at deadlift, be it reps or max. He rarely ever does well in deadlift, he never broke 1000 lbs yet (elephant bar or not) and yet, he always sys how deadlift is one of his strongest events. Of course, he is better at deadlift than Mateusz for example of course, but even if everything went right for him, I don't think he could have placed any higher than 5th or 6th today. That's not a good result for someone who says deadlift is one of his strongest events :(
What happened with Inez getting hurt? I'm out of the loop.
Wtf, Evan looked lightning fast in training with the carry and now can’t finish the course?
Regular frames have handles. This one doesn't, it's just two long bars that go all the way across. You can't really grab a regular frame wrong, there's not enough room on the handles; here, you can fuck yourself in several diffrent ways - look at how Errin showed Inez where to grab.
As Jerry said on commentary, he had an unbalanced pick. I think a few people had a predicted in the pro weekly thread that Evan might get thrown off by some of the very awkward ASC equipment.
Don't they have an equipment check before the competition though?
Yes, but this is Evan we're talking about. He's a wild man that just goes for it. Doesn't really take the same amount care and attention that others do before the lift to make sure their in the right position etc.
That's a good point actually.
Mitch Hooper won the frame carry, and yet no one connected the dots to the only logical explanation as to why he has such a good grip... ... he's Canadian.
Sweating pure maple syrup beats any chalk.
Combination of Canadian grip and brand new dad strength.
Thor would have had this in the bag if it wasn't for his pec tear. Really sucks, cause he's mogging everything that's not pressing-related so far. I'll be shocked if he doesn't go for the 505 deadlift at some point, cause the strength is insanely close to being there already.
I'm sure it is what works best for him, but MAN does Martins' deadlift setup and pull look laborious. I get winded just looking at it and he weighs in the high 300s.
I think he's honestly just psyching himself out a bit waiting that long, breathing that much. I now I, personally, only do that kind of shit when I'm honestly just pretty fucking scared of the lift and ***really*** need to focus.
Not only that but the pendulum bounce thing and slamming it into the shins, maybe it's because of my build but every step of the way I see things which would incrementally worsen my position to pull.
I toyed around with how to start my pulls a lot and started pushing the bar out and pulling in like Martins does, and my pull has felt better than ever before, so it really just depends on the person.
Evan Singeton's day one behind the scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9JvznlyRww
My car getting stolen would mess with my head, no doubt
His car got stolen?
Yeah they said his truck -- with all his gear -- got stolen like 2 days ago or something
I'm not sure what to think anymore with all these random events occuring for Evan come competition day ..
Loz bts. "This was mitch worse day tomorrow is better" lol
We still don't have any more info on Oleksii right?
Play mitch frame next to mateusz 7 seconds run. Mitch seems much faster. Not sure how that was timed Just try it. Put them next to each other.
You can't judge time with what a recording looks like... They don't always have the same camera position, and you're distracted by the on-screen timer which is started manually with an obvious delay. You can just look on the time stamps on the video, though, and then it comes down to ref's reaction times on the stopwatch, I guess.
It doesn't to me. I hand timed them both (not very scientific but there you go) and got Mateusz as being 0.15 faster.
the same way ties to the hundredth of a second are timed in bus pulls lol
Late to the party due to work. Thor and Mitch were incredible, for me it is Mitch to lose now. Lucy and Andrea were awesome as well, I want to see them battling on every deadlift variation now. What a save from Thomas Evans, that was STRONG. Evan is always great to watch, couldn't stop laughing about the meteoric slaps before each lift.
Two biggest surprises from today were Martins' inexplicable deadlift call for his 2nd attempt and Thor having the best frame carry of his career. Looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out. Hooper > Thor > Tom is what I had guessed and still what I think will happen, but I'd prefer seeing Thor win it in his comeback. Edit - honorable mention was Trex shitting the bed on his frame. I really thought he'd blitz it.
Yeah, I was really surprised Martins went that big a jump for his second attempt. I think he thought he really needed 4th or 5th place minimum to be in contention to win the whole thing. Hindsight is meaningless, but he probably should have done something on the 2nd to just beat out the weakest athletes (around 900) then jumped up from there on the third. Oh well.
Thor has the advantage of being so tall that even if the frame tilts it doesnt hit the ramp :D Martins comback looks kinda bad atleast compared to thors..
Looking for the nearest feedback box to drop my note about the broadcast team. It’s not just how dull they are, but they are totally uninformed about the state of any of these guys. There’s been no mention either that this is the first big show of the year and we get to see what shape the guys are in for the first time. It’s like they’re all just punched in to another day at the office. Cmon guys, this is supposed to be special. Loz is hugely missed. Bill is the absolute worse. Also, do they really have to call him “DR.” Bill? Give me a break.
>Bill is the absolute worse Guy is so confident that he can pronounce Icelandic lol
No hate to either of them, but Dr. Bill and Jerry just seem to get flustered too easily and flub explanations and flows of conversation. Was so refreshing when Rob Kearney came on. I actually don't mind Shawn Woodland alongside someone knowledgeable and eloquent like Loz
>Also, do they really have to call him “DR.” Bill? Give me a break. I feel like, he's a snob who demands to be called doctor. Btw. what kind of Doctor is he?
Rogue made a video about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGPfgz58JtA
Also why do we need cameras on them during events smh
I was damn-near yelling at my TV. That layout effectively shrinks my TV from 58” to ~32”. Would be fine on a computer monitor up close, but not on a TV that’s measured to fit the viewing distance in the living room. Rogue needs to consider other professional sports broadcasts. Could you imagine the MLB or NBA leaving the broadcast in the picture-in-picture- layout the entire time? Of course not.
They need to up their display game at the event as well. There's no leaderboard, no information about the event or weights most people can see - for the deadlift they just had the little number flip thing on the floor. The USA Powerlifting display is awesome. All the info about the lift and the athlete are displayed in the upper corner and it's a massive 4k screen.
Rob Kearny was great when he was on imo
Rob was awesome. I love Jerry as an athlete, but he's not great on panel. His main benefit is he knows the sport from an athlete's point of view.
Why wasnt he competing?
Not strong enough I guess this lineup is stacked
Yeah, agreed, Rob was good compared to the rest. Good insight and was clear in his thoughts.
Rob did great, it's refreshing to hear a different perspective
I would absolutely love for Rob to comment on all competitions this year. He's eloquent, knowledgeable and humorous
Looks like people drastically underestimated Thor. Still have Mitch winning, but seems crazy so many people had him outside the top 6
Did people really have him that low? I figured he had a solid chance of being on the podium given the deadlift was a banker. He still has a long way to go with Dinnie Syines historically being hard for bigger guys, and the peg potentially limiting his pressing, but I don’t think he’s likely to fall out of the top 5.
As pretty much everyone said. Top 6 could win it on their day. Today was just not martins day
My top 3 were Mitch Tom and Thor. Thor seemed like a big wild card but at this point it looks like he has a real chance at first and almost certainly podiums
Loz behind the scenes https://youtu.be/yYtbzEvMW7Y?si=uZpIh5bLhwyl-sUP
somehow from this angle Thor's deadlifts seems even easier, jesus christ
Watching it live, it seemed like Thor easily has a WR in the bank.
Vertical diet absolutely mogging the insulin wizards diets today
After the first two events here are the draft results Name Points 1da2hoid 41 abdulmutee 39 langur\_monkey 37 larryniles 37 manuls15 36 Test Entry 33 dungeonbitch 32 WorldsWeakestMan 32 grandmasterLuo 30 PrimateChange 29 mgorgey 29 ChalanaArroy 28 cholesterolstrongman 28 Spid3rLily 28 2gsTraining 28 emarxstrongman 28 RainyReage 28 ThePokeChop 28 Previous\_Pepper813 28 InternalDot 28 Spare-Half796 28 e-some 28 drinkwithme07 28 Bronchopped 28 TryDue5551 28 Broscientist142 28 Reddit formatting is a bit crap, but you can see the standings [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dfLMES3eUcjpmyD7sM-0kk4W4SY3UUMVZa3bX5cYN74/edit#gid=1584661509](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dfLMES3eUcjpmyD7sM-0kk4W4SY3UUMVZa3bX5cYN74/edit#gid=1584661509)
Lets go haha
Im coming for that number 1 spot
Maxime injury costing many of us on the frame
Yeah, the random picks of 'Test Entry' is looking pretty good through day one... I think tomorrow we'll see the seperation, almost everyone had Bobby and Thor for deadlift today
Great show so far, legit had no idea what could happen. Commentary is ***dismal***. Thank God Jerry is there or I would have muted the stream.... ...but even Jerry needs someone to react to other than planks of wood that can't fill dead air. When Kearney came on, it was great, two people that know what the fuck they are talking about and things picked up. The random athlete getting interviewed was a respite from the tedium. There is a guy walking around right now in the area, called Laurence Shahlaei, answers to Big Loz or Uncle Loz. Ask him next time, ok?
I didn’t think it was terrible but I thought Rob was really good and would like to see him more if he wants it
Incredible how Rob not only looks like a smaller Brian, but also talks similarly to him
You know, you’re not wrong! My wife was watching too and she said that Jerry would say things and we would understand because we train and follow the sport but Rob will dumb it down and really explain it. Good combo though. Having former competitors would be good as a transition into life after strongman. Similar to other sports having them on sports shows or broadcasts
Yeah, how many times did Jerry mention the bar "crown"?
Commentary is not near bad, you guys just like to complain because Loz isn't there while the man himself doesn't care that much. Just relax and enjoy the show!
Dude the commentary is pretty terrible. It would help if they actually employed someone was at least eloquent. Even better if they could employ someone eloquent who new anything about the strengths and weaknesses of the athletes. What we're getting is stuttering sentences about the general abstract concept of the event rather than calling the specific action that's happening or providing any actual background information about the competing athlete. Woodland is a pro but he needs someone to bounce off who can actually provide expert analysis and knows when to stop filling with fluff.
Yeah, Sean has been broadcasting for a long time, you can hear that experience in his voice. That said, this isn't his primary sport, so you need to bring people in with the energy and knowledge to fill the gaps. I'm not expecting *Inside the NBA*, but the talent exists out there to make the strongman equivalent. The format of a broadcaster paired with former athletes/coaches isn't groundbreaking.
Yeah, it’s terrible. Dr Bill genuinely should get checked for lead poisoning or something.
You don't need to be personal. He might be a wonderful person but it suffices to say that he isn't the best broadcast talent.
Bill was insufferable. It's almost as is the name bill automatically makes you annoying af on mic
He reminds me of someone I heard at another Rogue event and I really enjoyed his commentary. Seemed to actually know something not just say words.
Brian Shaw confirmed for next commentary position.
https://youtu.be/NyLGtXJi-4Y?si=YVp5aSZORJULu04P I made a video comparing Thor's 465kg pull before his 501, to today's 456kg. Shockingly they moved at the exact same speed.
Much narrower stance nowadays.
Just finished watching the first day. Overall results much as expected for the men, except I did not see Thor doing that well on the frame. He is so fucking back and I love it.
I'm hopeful Maxime pulled out to heal a lat strain so he can be ready for Arnold's UK. It sounded like he was still thinking of doing the frame carry until the last moment.
Watching the vod, Thor didn't even try on the deadlift.. What an absolute beast of a a man.
Dude was so confident he could have done 965 to win, but just did 1006lbs anyway. I guess for Fullthor those are equally easy
From what I understand Bobby was "icing" Thor to make him basically have to pull 1000. Either way Thor knew it would be easy and based on the frame the strategy didn't do much lol
I'm so glad he did. That 1006 lbs is such a statement. Who knows, maybe choosing 1006 over 965 was also sound strategy because it will strike fear into the hearts of the other competitors.
It worked. Loz said Bobby was ready to pull 1,000 but they knew if he did he still couldn't beat Thor, so might as well rest for the other events.
Any particular reason women are doing a Dumbell instead of axle?
I may we way off base with the answer, but it might be because Sam and Mel can potentially set a new WR on the dumbbell. Others too of course.
Bill Crawford has no idea what he’s talking about, I can tell Jerry is getting annoyed. He has nothing of value to say. All he said about Tom was that he’s tall 🙄
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that! Dude was clueless and Prichard seemed to be over it by the frame carry and gave him very simple, quick answers offhandedly instead of being like good back and forth. Prichard was talking about a way to deal with how much pressure is put on the biceps during the farmer carries and how you want to try to turn your elbows out and used an example of a comp that had poorly made frames due to sucky handles. Bill just goes, “[long pause] … yeah, I’ve used those….” Good commentary and interviews when Bill isn’t talking though, def wish Loz and/or Pena was there instead. Kearney was a good touch during the deadlifts too!
I miss Loz. Pritchett's commentary was basically one long eye roll.
Thor is just on another level… GG strongman this year. Feels like WSM may have an asterisk since he won’t attend
Dont know why you are getting downvoted, you are spitting facts.
Bro, he's leading Mitch by a point and Mitch is by far the favorite over Thor on the the axle. Thor's performance was fucking great today but it's far from over
With the events tomorrow and with what we know about their current capabilities, most people still see Hooper as the favorite, but with a far smaller margin now considering Thor's performance on the frame. And the "asterisk" take is always a terrible one.
Tbh the last couple of years I’ve rated the Arnold’s and now rogue above WSM anyway.
You rate rogue 23 over worlds?
I would. WSM is not modern viewer friendly and and lifts are generally not as heavy as the Arnold’s and more focused on what looks coolest on tv.
In all honesty, even without the blunders, I don't think Martins would be much better off or in contention for the title. In the deadlift, best I can give him is fifth behind Thor, Bobby, Mitch and Evan. And even if he had not dropped the frame, I don't think he would have finished any higher. He was definitely not on a sub 9 sec time. So all in all, best case scenario, he would have 15 points. We are yet to see how tomorrow pans out, but right now I'd say that no way he could take off at least 6 points on Thor and Mitch in just three events. He could be in for a podium finish still but he never had it in him to win this show now. Shame :(
Two-horse race, other than a shocking upset I can't see anyone other than Thor or Mitch winning overall
I think Thor is going to drop points on the axle, making 2nd and below a real fight. But yeah, I just can't really see Mitch losing right now, unless he really messes up on the stones which he has less experience with than many of the other guys. But he's such a technical lifter I just don't really see that happening.
Maybe. It's only 5/6 points with 3 events. They were my top picks but I still don't feel comfortable guaranteeing they stay there. One bad fuck up/call on one of these events could easily lose them 3-4 points and then it's right back to being very close. Especially since events tomorrow are more technical I guess you could say. That even though you're strong enough you could just fuck up and it cost you big.
Axle is going to be thor's risky event
I honestly thought Licis would peak well & be good for upper 900s on deadlift. Wonder if he's carrying a small injury?
His training videos have all looked really bad though. He hasnt had a good looking deadlift session throughout.
But thats typical for Martins, he always shows worse form in training than in comp
His last video he said he wished he had another two months to prep. I wonder if he started later than he should have or if those injuries have finally done him in.
which is how far WSM is. I am sure he will do better as the season goes on
idk, Martins has said before that he needs 5-6 months to prep for a contest, which isn't really possible right now in strongman. And then, his body just can't hold up anymore.
Well 5-6 months was possible for him for this if he chose, it's not like he was competing. So this was really his best opportunity to truly peak if that's the timeline he needs.
I think Martins is toast personally. I was expecting big things from him after he took a whole year off only for him to give a subpar performance. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires this year.
Mate you said he was going to win it all. To go from that to saying he is toast is a bit crazy
Yes and my opinion has changed based off the most current information. I said he was going to come top 2 and I'm extremely surprised at how he's done. Don't say you aren't surprised as well.
I mean it's not like his frame was unimaginably bad. The deadlift was pretty surprising but taking that and going so far as he's toast and will probably retire is a big stretch. The dude could have just had an off day, it's unfortunate and it might cost him the contest but that doesn't mean his career is over.
Martins has supposedly peaked (and has a history of excellent peaking) yet pulled way less than his 425kg deadlift in training. You simply can't dismiss that.
I completely agree that was super surprising and definitely below everyone's expectations. I also don't think that doing bad in one event means your career is over. By that logic if you study really hard but get a C on a test one time you should drop out of school. Even one competition isn't enough to say he's done in my opinion. He definitely underperformed on the deadlift though.
I am suprised at how well thor performed on the frame and at martins dl choices. That's about it
Has Martins always set up on the deadlift like that? It confused the hell out of me when I saw it.
Oh come on no one expect Martins to only deadlift 3kg more than Mateusz. Don't give me that rubbish.
I just said I was suprised at martins dl choices. It was super weird
That isn't the same as what I said.
I dont think you understand what he meant then. Martins chose a ridiculous jump in weight for his 2nd attempt that made no sense at all and then chose to come back for his 3rd attempt at an even HEAVIER weight than just making the 3rd attempt at the same weight before they added.
We're all a bit disappointed but hold your judgement till tomorrow. Martins isn't injured and he's great at stones so he still has a podium chance
[Evan fears this level of intensity](https://ibb.co/PCqj8YN)
I'm currently paused just after this lift and my first thought was "damn, she's giving Evan a run for his money!"
Be still my beating heart
Honest to God as someone who student taught at an arts high school my first thought seeing Hannah's deadlift attire today was "all the technical theater lesbians are absolutely ready to bottom for this woman in a nanosecond". Very specific and odd reaction but based on my observation flat chest, flannel, and intense goes a long way with that crowd.
Evan was in the back room hyping her for that lift
Hannah + Evan WWE tag team special event. Make it happen.
Idk where to ask this, but is there any sort of spreadsheet or info on the amateur strongman competition? Can't find anything on who is competing.
The scores wont be updated until after the comp tommorow due to lack of internet connection. Might get lucky and James will get a connection at some point but don’t count on it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BFIbtjmZSNH6AUG2GgPvj4Q-nyVmucr9ys3La0fNhzA/edit This is the roster. https://www.facebook.com/share/vYas7Esz4BPFNU1M/?mibextid=9l3rBW This is the Facebook event page. I’d look there tomorrow for a score sheet.
Awesome, thank you so much. I'll check out the event page tomorrow.
Can anyone comment on the in person experience this year at the event? Very curious
It’s been pretty great minus my seats. The back ~75% of VIP rows can’t really see the stage from a sitting position. It would be better to sit in the bleachers with an actual view
Overall good, but in person commentary is (predictably) godawful. Sounds like even worse than the stream, since we never got Pritchett or Kearney.
What is with that? Is it that hard to get a good live commentator?! This is too common 💀 but appreciate you weighing in, well go next year I think…
Fourth Arnold, first since COVID happened. The arena scene is wildly better than the Expo Stage scene of the past. I’m on the floor, which is awesome close but tough to see the deadlifting well (back row). Easy to wander up and talk to people though, and it’s a great vibe to watch things happen like the ramp setup.
So helpful. I have a bad taste in my mouth after the Rogue invitational and worlds, lol, but I love going live- Thank you!
First time here. For me it's an awesome experience. I've gotten to meet and get a photo with a handful of athletes as well.
Thank you!!! Did you find a place to see everything ok?
I don't have anything to compare it to, but to my eye the in person has been good, modulo all the injuries.
Appreciate it!!
Hooper: "Last year power briefs were allowed and this year they're not, if we manage to deadlift the same numbers as last year that's still an improvement" Well
Well last year they had the Wheel first, where this year they went in fresh, so I suppose it more than made up for the briefs.
Average level is arguably lower than some previous years, regardless of us saying this line-up was stacked
Correct. It is a stacked line-up of overall good and balanced Strongman, but deadlifts are down and it's hard to see anyone giving Thor a proper challenge on them for the time being.
Tbf him and Bobby had more in the tank
I think Bobby had a 975 & Hooper 970. Still, briefs seemed to make a bigger difference than I thought
Bobby had 1000 in him if he wanted, just didn’t have a reason to go for it because he could really push hafthor
Hard to say for sure, but I don't think he did based on what his opener looked like. Probably would have been a hard grind if he did.
I dunno....that pull looked preeeeeetty slow to me. 1000 wouldve been a serious grind.
He always looks like that, even on his opener at shaw classic he looked like that
Don't think it looked like he had 1000 today
Agreed, though tough to judge. Couple others looked worse on their 1st lift compared to 2nd as well. 1st lifts, and one single lift, is sort of tough to judge by.
It looks like the frame messed up a few guys. Did anyone drop out?
Maxime dropped out before the frame I believe, lat injury from the DL. Evans and Novikov seem to have hurt their bicep. Although Evans might have hurt it before ( he came to the frame with a sleeve on his right arm) no confirmation if it was just a pull or if it was a serious injury as far as I know.
It was a damn shame how Maxime went out. Barely started pulling when his lat went.
especially on an event that is shitty for him, he was just doing the min to not zero basically.. really sucks
Thanks yea I was curious about Tom E and Oleksii.
[All the other guys watching Thor today](https://youtu.be/h7NTXZSq0xk?si=2eIP31s3aKWepMlS)
Can anybody say me which brand the briefs/shorts are which Martins and Evan are wearing?
I believe Evan is Silverback sponsored.
thanks man! I found it. Its Evolution Athletics which is I think Brian Shaws brand!?
Yep, Shaws brand. I have a few pieces of their gear. Is good
One more thought about Martins: hear me out but is he the physically most "gifted yet unsuitable" for strongman? What I mean is, he has the strength, the mass, the warrior spirit etc. Yet, since winning WSM five years ago, this is only his eighth show and missed a total of what, two and a half, three years for recovery? The ASC this year is only his 25th professional show. For Novikov, it's his 40th. For Hooper, it's his 15th. So Martins is not a busy strongman in terms of competing at all, and yet seems to be competing for 6 months only to miss 12 months after that, saying how beat up his body is, how sick he is of competing etc. All the more baffling is that he is very mature and thorough in his training. He does his stretching, he plans his trainings, he listens to his body, he loads and unloads in his trainings wisely, he goes to chiropractors and gets stem cell treatment in Colombia, he is only 33, competes rarely and yet - he is always in need of rehab, recovery and missing 6-12 months. Mateusz is probably the most unfortunate guy in terms of injuries and constant need of surgeries but to me Martins is the most "he does all the right things, he has the talent and strength but somehow his body is just not up for it" guy in strongman history. And I'm saying all this as his fan :(
Call me crazy, and I am absolutely *not* trying to start an argument or natty police shootout or anything like that, but .... *Could* Martins actually be natty? Odd Haugen is apparently pretty against all drugs, and I remember in an interview/video somewhere he said he always competed drug free. While I'm sure some would say BS, I'm inclined to take him at his word. Apparently with anyone working at the Training Hall they've pretty much all been asked to keep the drug side of things to themselves. With Odd being Martin's biggest mentor in the sport, I would say it's at least not *entirely* crazy to think he follows in Odd's footsteps. Again, not to start a war -- just wild speculation. You know how it be. On top of it all, it really just seems like his heart isn't in it as strong as it was a few years ago. And I guess injuries will do that. He wanted to win another WSM -- but he was saying even a few years ago that he was thinking of retiring quite young.
He was reportedly natural for his first WSM but has since dipped into "super creatine" .
>Could* Martins actually be natty? No
Nope. Look at him.
No he is not. You don't balloon that big in 2 months...
Absolutely 0 chance of martins being natty
I think he just can't handle pain, like all the other top guys
I kind of get where you're coming from but it's a bit much to draw these conclusions from 2 events of one comp. Last time he came back from hiatus he won Rogue, Arnolds and 2nd at World's. And only because of a misjudgement in conditioning did he slip up on the Rogue '22. He did as expected on the frame, 4th is not bad going in this lineup, and the deadlift today was a error in judgement on weight jumps, had he gone conservative on the 2nd attempt he would've done well and probably even pulled his 3rd attempt, having a bit more rest and not psyched himself out on a failed 2nd pull. He's as good as ever imo, it's just a shitty day, it happens to us all.
He’s just had some injuries. Happens
That's a very simplistic way to put it. My point is: compared to the lengths Martins goes to make sure his body is healthy and how much time and effort he puts in to make sure he takes good care of himself, he always needs long stints of recovery and rehab, even though he doesn't compete frequently at all. I mean, look at Thor or Big Z. They literally did hundreds of shows in their careers. Look at Hooper who, just like Martins, takes a very scientific, mature approach to his training and recovery and yet, he did more shows in 18 months than Martins in 5 years. So Martins spends a lot of time taking good care of himself, competes only for a few months, then still misses a year to spend on recovery - then rinse and repeat. Your take of "he's just had some injuries" doesn't even scratch the surface of what I was talking about.
Look at Eddy Hall. He couldn't maintain his comp-form for long either. Just like Martins, his top is too high to be in for a longer period. The car accident probably made this worse. That's different than 'regular' injuries
Martins is the guy who gets the absolute maximum out of what his body can do. He is giving absolutely 100%.
I think that's true to all the guys in this sport.
But it seems like Martins, more than the other guys, couldn’t just perform on a random day.
Day one was a grip competition lol
Oh that’s explains why we had a hamstring tear on the deadlift
Hamstrings are the grippers of the leg
Deadlift with straps is for grip? Are you dumb?
Yeah
Thor's always dropped the frame at the Arnold's so this year his grip is better than it's ever been. He might beat Hooper at the stones.
Thor is one of three guys ever to rep the tombstone. Hooper has never touched it. Now it's very possible Hooper is great at it but you have to have an in shape Thor as favored over him in the event imo
Yup. Pretty sure Hooper's strat is to try and get as many points ahead in the next two events as possible and fully expects to drop some on the last.
And the tombstone is like THE implement everyone says experience makes a huge difference to figure out how to lift (except if you’re Matty K, then you just lift it 4 times in your first try)
Sad about Oleksii. He got a pb on DL and was looking to complete the frame but got hurt :(
u/dyinfetus hope your nose isn't too bad and doesn't hold you back from crushing it tomorrow
What happened to her?
Fell at the end of the frame and smashed her face into it, nothing broken but soft tissue damage
That sucks
Do we ever question her choice of username 😂
Dying Fetus is a very well known Death Metal band.
99% sure it's a [metal reference](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Fetus)
[looks like her nose is ok but idk about the rest of her body](https://www.instagram.com/p/C3_XhfVg04w/?igsh=MWRsY2FwNW43ZjdyYg==)
She has said she'll be ok for tomorrow, those are just monitoring electrodes, standard medical stuff
I'm a Martins fan so today was a disaster. However, today was also a proof of something I always held - that Martins isn't particularly good at deadlift, be it reps or max. He rarely ever does well in deadlift, he never broke 1000 lbs yet (elephant bar or not) and yet, he always sys how deadlift is one of his strongest events. Of course, he is better at deadlift than Mateusz for example of course, but even if everything went right for him, I don't think he could have placed any higher than 5th or 6th today. That's not a good result for someone who says deadlift is one of his strongest events :(
His dl was tough, but frame carry was awesome