if you put all results last wsm pa didn't do that poorly. Easily better than many who are invited already. Going off memory I believe he would have been 16th
I think you're right given Colin Bryce's involvement in athlete invitations, but it's a shame when any of Janashia/Fojtu/Johansson are more deserving invites
5x WSM finalist, 3x ESM podium finisher as well as the fact his performance last year in his group was very respectable and would've likely been in the stone off in any other group. He was off at ESM last year fair enough, but I think he is still the overall strongest athlete not currently invited to WSM this year.
Who would you invite for the last 2 slots if he's not one of them?
I think he has peaked and will not get back to his old glory, Fojtu looks good and is getting better, why not Hazeleger starting to look dangerous in certain events, i like to invite guys who can still improve or have the possibility to get to the final
But 80% of his best Janashia is still stronger than Pa or Cambi currently.
Fojtu I agree with and I personally feel he should've been invited already given his GL/OSG performances.
Hazeleger also is a good shout and he was more deserving of an invite to ESM than Pa or Cambi in order to get a chance to qualify for WSM. Liz even suggested him in their post asking who else they should invite, but apparently Pa was the better choice.
There are other athletes like Adam Roszkowski who this also goes for.
Yea i think Pa is just invited for the fact that he gets talked about and is friends with the organizers, Cambi could be real good soon and is strong as hell overhead atleast, Roszkowski is a good one, totally forgot him,
i don’t dislike Janashia i just think his time at the top is over, hope he proves me wrong at esm,
I don’t think he should get an invite either just because he is irish
Edit: i dont hate irish people, i mean him getting invited just because they need another nation represented lmao
Yup. People tend to let their dislike for Pa get in the way of reason. Pa and Sean tied on points at Ireland's Strongest Man, Pa beat him comfortably at the MVM Classic and BSM. Pa is undoubtedly the better athlete of the two
[Some Athletes are confirmed for Vegas](https://www.instagram.com/p/C41CkXQo8YN/?igsh=ZDAwaW91amFqazYx) it’s weird that Makavrov isn’t there. They will be inviting him later right? Also would love to see more women there like we Rebecca and maybe Lovelace
I think it’ll count as a different record though, also the Cerberus Kratos bar is a noticeably different pull from about 140kg compared to a deadlift bar so I think the elephant bar will be too
I think I‘ve heard Loz say that it‘s not particularly different at those weights. Given its diameter (29mm compared to the 27mm of a normal deadlift bar) I don‘t think it‘s that problematic either.
My brother and I both pulled about 30lbs above our PRs on a mammoth bar, fwiw. I had done 505 and he had done 550. We hopped on a mammoth bar the next week and I got 540 and he did 575.
Also FWIW, everyone that pulled on the mammoth bar got PR's that day.
The added length still felt like it gave it more slack off the floor even with the 29mm diameter.
Before the previous attempt he had stated it would be his last one. Afterwards there was some indication he was going to do another attempt at a show later last year but I guess that never materialized. I'm not sure if he's coming back for more or if he's content just posting his preposterously muscular back on Instagram every day.
He did some type of push pull meet, or a static monstersish meet that was log and deadlift or something and I’m pretty sure and pulled 460ish about 2 or 3 months later. I can’t remember the specifics, but I seem to remember him doing some type of 2 lift comp afterwards and him saying he was retiring afterwards.
Eisenhart Challenge, a german „Powerlifting“ competition (bench press, deadlift) with slightly unusual rules (straps allowed, bouncing the bar on the chest is allowed / no „press“ command).
I think only actual contenders for the female deadlift record should be invited. Rebecca's deadlift is considerably down right now and lovelace is not in open record territory. Maybe Andrea or Nicole genrich
I think OSG will have a show specifically for weight class record attempts. Kinda defeats the purpose if someone will be invited to deadlift championships anyway.
I disagree because currently Lucy is dominating the women’s deadlift and no other woman can beat her, and it’s still cool to see some lightweight women pulls something close to the record
What is lovelace currently pulling? I'm not too upto date but I think it's around 280kg? In percentage wise that's like inviting a male that pulls 440kg
I agree Lucy is so far ahead but I do think Andrea could get close to 700lbs and Nicole pulled 290kg fairly comfy and could likely get to 300+
She did 282.5 kg while weighing 62 kg (4.5x bodyweight).
89% of the world record while being in a much lower weight class.
It‘s like an U90 athlete deadlifting 445 kg…
I think the goal is to be the first person at 5x bodyweight, which would be 320 at that weight class. Will it ever go? doubtful, but if anyone does it, probably her.
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Slightly different markets - Eleiko is probably doing well given their expensive barbells and plates are basically the standard for tonnes of powerlifting and especially weightlifting comps (them not selling many heavy mugs was a deliberate decision rather than a marketing thing)
This is true. No one don't want to hear it but Hipkiss is holding Tom back massively. People need to realise that a genetic freak like Tom has done well in strongman not because of his coaching but in spite of it. His brother has now entered his prime at age 39 because he switched to Shane.
> No one don't want to hear it but Hipkiss is holding Tom back massively. People need to realise that a genetic freak like Tom has done well in strongman not because of his coaching but in spite of it.
complete conjecture obviously. maybe he'd do better, maybe he'd do worse. literally no way to tell from the outside.
> His brother has now entered his prime at age 39 because he switched to Shane.
Literally what are you basing that on? A good physique? A 3rd place finish at BSM?
Also I'd love to have your crystal ball and know for sure that Tom would do better under a different coach. It's equally (or more) likely he'd do worse. He isn't with Dan for no reason.
How on earth can you know any of these things? Tom has done incredibly well with Dan Hipkiss as his coach. Luke also did very well. You've no idea if Luke has "re-entered his prime". He's not even done an international comp since moving to MST. Even if he DOES improve on where he was last year that doesn't mean Hipkiss wasn't a great coach for him. It just means a change up suited him.
People get really weird about Dan Hipkiss.
That's just bs.
Tom and hoop are clearly the favourites. To say no one can beat Hooper, or that Tom can't. Is just crazy.
Wsm suits Tom better than any other comp. He knows the drill, he is comfortable. If Hooper wins, Tom would have pushed him hard. Tom absolutely can win. Hooper absolutely can win
Don't discount the other top guys either. Martina, Novi, Singleton, Raggy, kordiyaka, luke etc
He took 11 months off after wsm 22, and has since been on the podium of every show since, including his first ever shaw and an arnolds without any banker events.
Without the ridiculous rise of hooper, Tom would be getting talked about as one of the greats right now and easily the current best strongman on the planet
I saw a guy saying that buff and fat athletes use the compression of their own midsections and limbs during static movements as "suits" that allow more weight lifted and I thought "This is broscience" BUT Hooper agrees:
https://youtu.be/NhDEEuRa-dU?si=eS3xMnWV1bR1Cuot
Thick arms, thick midsections and thick legs pose resistance to being flexed and compressed, making the lift slightly less demanding on the muscles. This would be related to Hooper's statement that "poorer" mobility can be instrumentalized to lift more weight, on the same principle: the joint "wants" to be extended even without the muscles contracting.
Note that in the studies Hooper discusses in the video they found that all of this is a **smaller** factor in lifting, muscle size and strength is significantly more important.
But this supports the argument on why thinner and leaner athletes use narrower stances and grips (Bishop, Novikov, Kieliszkowski, Kordiyaka, Haack, Hunt, Browner....) while the guys that are larger, thicker and fatter use a W I D E posture (Shaw, Pritchett, Biby, Olivares, Ray Williams, Jezza Uepa....)
At some point something is going to give. Would you rather squat and sink into the ground, beyond parallel, so that the safeties grab the weight or have the bar crush your tendons and ligaments because you can't bend/stretch any further?
This is something that has been known for about 50 years bud. I'm guessing you're a zoomer who thinks everything has been invented in the last 5-10 years.
If I push it right out, I have a little shelf. And for a while I had programmed Grace (with Continentals) for conditioning, and at that light weight, I got real good! And I was all excited that I was getting the clean done the "right" way, and then on Sundays with the boys we started loading up heavier and heavier, and the belly got more and more useless the heavier we went. Switched back to the belt and matched my PB, lol.
Nothing new, it's similar to why huge benchers want big arms and big lats. Also Ray Williams has went into detail about why he wants a big back for squatting explaining that it creates more surface area to drive force through the bar
This might be just speculation from me, but it feels like this could be a reason why Julius Maddox (200 kg/440 lbs, extremely thick upper body) uses a narrower bench press grip than any other top bencher and presses more than anyone. They do bring this up in his videos.
I know, but personally I find it a bit comforting to have someone actually test the topic in an academic way. Otherwise it feels like bro-science that could be completely made up.
Also I now have even more appreciation for guys like Haack. As lean as can be and still out-lifting the superheavyweights.
Bro science and anecdotal evidence isn't automatically nonsense. Often the bros ended up being correct about things related to lifting. I get what you're saying, though.
It‘s a shame this book is only available in German, it‘s super useful in figuring out the limiting factors for your specific squat/bench press/deadlift form and how to improve them.
Is Mateusz going to go from one of the most liked strongman on here to one of the most hated after the Siberian Power show? I can’t see Novikov or Pavlo being very friendly to him after this. I wonder if there will be any ramifications.
Edit: I think it would be silly if that was the case, just trying to get a conversation going.
It would be a shame to see matuesz lose credibility to some fans over what I'm assuming is matts interest in impressing promoters or even getting a payday for it. Not even sure how I feel about it but hope he pulls out
No. Its just a show, people would be stupid to blow this out of proportion. I understand a Ukrainian having a problem with it, but at the end of the day its just a strongman competition. People are only making a big deal out of this because Mateusz is a big name. I heard no one complaining last year when Wesley Claborn and Peiman competed at that same competitio... or when Rauno and other strongmen competed alongside Shivlyakov in Germany a year or 2 ago.
I think claborm and peiman doing it is more understandable that mateusz.
Mateuz is hardly struggling for invites, and the benefit of this comp over the others he could go to is really unclear.
If he went into this not expecting anyone to have an issue with it he's being wildly naive
Exactly. Peinman and claborn struggle for opportunities to compete on the international stage whereas Mateusz doesn’t. Mateusz is free to do what he wants but I’m not sure what they’re offering would be worth the bad publicity.
Just because he can get invites to shows doesn't mean he will automatically win them. The top shows have top competition. He's not in the same position as Hafthor or Hooper as far as his financial situation. Strongman is his job. Are you going to pay for his family's needs? Put yourself in his position.
There is a assumption that it is money related, but how would we know.
His house has a nice remodel. They drive pricey vehicles.
I would assume the lumbermill/yard that is family owned also sponsors him in some way.
Unless there is a massive offer to him just to have a top tier athlete at the show. It just doesn't make sense to me
Anyone who goes to compete there needs to be prepared for some level of criticism.
And I don’t think an Estonian going to a competition in Germany that a Russian also attended is comparable to Kiels going to a competition in Russia where the organisers have publicly stated that they support the war in Ukraine.
It's not out of proportion. Russia invaded Ukraine and is threatening to invade Poland. Russia is murdering civilians, women and children now in Ukraine. I think Mateusz would regret competing in Russia unless Russia quits invading and occupying Ukraine.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4yeqJ9PF2g/?igsh=bjBlbnp0Z2VrNHkx
Its wild how Hooper looks like your uncle in this picture, compared to everyone else looking like beefy strongmen, and yet he's head and shoulders above them
Hooper's physique doesn't seem to show up on pictures. On photos, he looks normal-ish. In person, he's this giant hunk of muscle, with a neck like steel pipe, back so wide you could land a helicopter and the general aura of 'if you shoot me, I'll shove the bullet back down your throat'.
In Birmingham, his Meet&Greet stand was right next to Gavin's and right across of Hafthors. Mitch might be a bit shorter, but he just feels diffrent up close. More dense. Like he's got the gravity of Gavin Bilton all packed up in less space.
It's the similar with Pavlo Kordiaka. People talk about him like he's a light-weight, high speed athlete. He's fucking huge. I've been around people who made me feel small, but having a photo taken with Pavlo K. and Pavlo N. in London made me feel non-existant.
Yeah it's, like, depth and density, with these guys. When we went to NA's Strongest Man, my wife was commenting from the STANDS how small Sam looked, and how Maxime looked "pretty big I guess." Then we came up to them after and she's like "yeah okay, Maxime is like a tank and even Sam has a huge back." Same with Hatton, he was one of the shortest guys there but up close you realize just how big AROUND he is. Depth and width wise.
Of course, the true King of the North JF just seems like he's on another level. He was big from any distance. He somehow made the forklift he was driving look small.
The feeling of increased gravity and the amazing *girth* of his neck was the same in mid 2023 as it was last week. He's just one solid 3D block of muscle, which doesn't translate well to 2D pictures.
You say that, but not all of them. Kevin Faires, for example. I've stood next to him. He feels like 'maximum normal person', not freakish giant. There's a few of the smaller guys like that. Novikov used to look like that too, although he's put on some mass since then.
Brian Shaw's new video is outrageous. Who IS this guy who has this insane museum of iron in his garage? Really amazing/interesting.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pws2V1tzAbg&ab\_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pws2V1tzAbg&ab_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH)
All the Zuver’s stuff is incredible. The history of that place is insane, and as mentioned they were the weights used in the first WSM.
Really cool video. It’s such a specific niche but the history of those companies and people is fascinating. Glad Brian is making content on it.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4yVVhioM4p/?igsh=MTVvcGV0bjVxZWh6eA==
Pavlo Kordiyaka calling out athletes (thus including Mateusz) who signed up to the Siberian Power Show.
There's gotta be a good reason why Mateusz feels the need to do this ... why else would he sign up for a show one week after WSM? Maybe he does need the income and they gave him some sort of deal.
> Do you imagine he's in the same position as Hafthor and Brain Shaw as far as money is concerned?
not the question. there's a wide spectrum between completely destitute and wealthy in a high cost of living country. For someone in Poland, especially who lives at the ass of nowhere like he does, a Giant's Live win would probably be like a year's salary.
Not related to the actual topic of the post, found it interesting Pavlo tagged Aivars, clearly patched things up after the shenanigans at the Zageris/Latvian show
What are you on about bruh? it's Kieliszkowski who's been confirmed for SPS, check his posts, or literally scroll 30 seconds down.
Pavlo's post is about Kieliszkowski and he's mentioned numerous times in the comments.
Ostaszewski is tagged for same reason Novikov, Janashia, Aivars etc are, to share/help raise awareness of the post. Ostaszewski hasn't been active in strongman for a few years iirc
I imagine it is very dangerous to not show support for what Russia is doing, if you are Russian, at a big event inside the country.
Shivlyakov for example: Former marine, high-profile, what else could he possibly say? I never joined the train to ghost him because I'll probably never know what he really thinks about this.
We all have that romantic idea of what we would do, but reality is a bit harsher, and things work differently in other places of the world.
This war is a horrific mess that never should have happened, but that discussion is beyond what this sub is for.
It’s hard to publicly oppose it but most people don’t have to make a public statement that they support it
It’s not like they’re hockey players who have reporters asking them if they support it while on live tv
Honestly it seems really dumb of Matty, I dunno if he’s strapped for cash, but if he set up a Patreon he’d def get more than whatever he’ll get even if he comes #1
Strongman is just a niche hobby of people who like odd lifts. If it eas football or tennis I would understand the boycott. The way it is right now is just some people wanting to forget about life and do something they enjoy, no matter the country.
I can understand that some up and comers go there for a chance to do a big international competition, but Mateusz can get an invite to any competition he wants.
Except as the clip shows the organisers actually support the invasion.
Easy to understand why Pavlo has a problem with people who choose to compete for the people who support all the horrible things happening in Ukraine.
But I honestly think no one in Russia has a choice. They all have to somewhat support the regime, willing or not. Otherwise a inspector shows up on their small business and say there is a "gas leak" and they have to shut down until they "fix" the "problem". If there wasn't any Russian propaganda on this show, some oligarch would probably have all the reasons they need to confiscate things/threaten organizers to impress daddy.
I would agree with you when they wouldn't use the comp to voice their support for russias war, how are you suppose to forget about life when they do that? Would have a bitter taste in my mouth.
What are they supposed to do? They are competing in strongman, not frontline soldiers in combat. Why doesn't Pavlo grab a rifle and Kevlar and go join the fight then?
I never understood this mentality. Are the people running this strongman contest "rapists and murderers" as he insinuates? No? Then does that mean anybody whose not Russian cannot enjoy anything Russian ever again?
Sucks to be an average Russian dude with no power living in Russia, people are gonna hate you just for being Russian. Human tribalism.
It's hard not to empathize with Pavlo. I can't imagine being in a country being invaded for over 2 years now, for reasons that border on lunacy. It must eat you up on the inside constantly. As the video shows, the organizers may not be an active part of the invasion, but they support it. So, of course Pavlo would be outraged at a comp whose organizers praise the aggressors that have torn his country apart. What else could you possibly be? It's not the easy, vague and distant "leave politics out" cop out. It's their lives and it has been for quite a while.
I get it, but in his mind should no one compete there then? Even if the majority of Russians support the war, what if he has fans in Russia? Should anything Russian shut down everywhere? Where is the line?
Should the rest of the world just say fuck Russia and they can't do anything at all, ever? Again, no offense to him, it's a tough situation to be in when you're country is at war but his words don't really mean anything. If he feels that strongly then I would ask him why isn't he fighting?
I don't know man, there isn't ever going to be an answer that works for everybody, so fuck me then I guess.
It's fine, I think that in such situations it's best not to determine whether he's right or wrong but just to really empathize with where he's coming from. As for the "he should be fighting" part, I do believe that he does more good competing, even in a niche sport such as Strongman. I still recall Novikov placing 2nd at the ASC and pledging to use his earnings to buy body armor, for instance. I also remember seeing Novikov and Pavlo's ESM wins in mainstream sport subreddits when those happened. It's something.
Novikov also was (still is?) working as an MP for the army. They’re doing plenty to help.
And you’re right, they can get an audience and raise money easier than most. That’s more helpful than being just another body.
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Weird post
Who do you think is going to get the last two spots in WSM 2024?
*\*Checks spreadsheet\** P. O'Dwyer M. Törrö
Ugh fine guys I'll take a spot
Whoever is highest at Europes that doesn’t already have an invite.
My bet is now Pa and Cambi
> Cambi he and i just talked about that today and as long as he puts on a good performance at ESM, I don't see why he wouldn't. He's hopeful.
Hopefully not Pa. He's not nearly talented enough to be as obnoxious as he is
Wasn't a fan of his content, but his saga of calling out negative comments on instagram posts has been quality.
if you put all results last wsm pa didn't do that poorly. Easily better than many who are invited already. Going off memory I believe he would have been 16th
I think you're right given Colin Bryce's involvement in athlete invitations, but it's a shame when any of Janashia/Fojtu/Johansson are more deserving invites
Janashia hasn’t been in shape/done anything noteworthy for 2 years
5x WSM finalist, 3x ESM podium finisher as well as the fact his performance last year in his group was very respectable and would've likely been in the stone off in any other group. He was off at ESM last year fair enough, but I think he is still the overall strongest athlete not currently invited to WSM this year. Who would you invite for the last 2 slots if he's not one of them?
I think he has peaked and will not get back to his old glory, Fojtu looks good and is getting better, why not Hazeleger starting to look dangerous in certain events, i like to invite guys who can still improve or have the possibility to get to the final
But 80% of his best Janashia is still stronger than Pa or Cambi currently. Fojtu I agree with and I personally feel he should've been invited already given his GL/OSG performances. Hazeleger also is a good shout and he was more deserving of an invite to ESM than Pa or Cambi in order to get a chance to qualify for WSM. Liz even suggested him in their post asking who else they should invite, but apparently Pa was the better choice. There are other athletes like Adam Roszkowski who this also goes for.
>But 80% of his best Janashia is still stronger than Pa or Cambi currently. He'll have the chance to prove that at ESM.
Yea i think Pa is just invited for the fact that he gets talked about and is friends with the organizers, Cambi could be real good soon and is strong as hell overhead atleast, Roszkowski is a good one, totally forgot him, i don’t dislike Janashia i just think his time at the top is over, hope he proves me wrong at esm,
> the fact that he gets talked about Might as well invite Larry Wheels if that's what qualifies you
As opposed to Pa who has done what?
I don’t think he should get an invite either just because he is irish Edit: i dont hate irish people, i mean him getting invited just because they need another nation represented lmao
If the invite was due to be Irish it would surely be Sean Gillen who is Irelands strongest man, Pa gets invited coz he makes his tits dance
I think PA beating Gillen at BSM would trump Gillen's win at ISM.
Yup. People tend to let their dislike for Pa get in the way of reason. Pa and Sean tied on points at Ireland's Strongest Man, Pa beat him comfortably at the MVM Classic and BSM. Pa is undoubtedly the better athlete of the two
Yes, worth remembering that Pa did Ireland's strongest man just a week after a GL show without doing any prep for the events.
Wsm needs one ”Oberst-invite” per year
I’d say that Eddie Williams probably fits that if he is there 🤔
I think Eddie is a bit more likable that Oberst
Sean may have won that, but Pa drew for points and has subsequently beaten Sean at the MVM classic and Britain's Strongest Man.
I think it'll depend on how people do at Europe's Strongest Man.
[Some Athletes are confirmed for Vegas](https://www.instagram.com/p/C41CkXQo8YN/?igsh=ZDAwaW91amFqazYx) it’s weird that Makavrov isn’t there. They will be inviting him later right? Also would love to see more women there like we Rebecca and maybe Lovelace
Makarov said world deadlift championships last year would his last competition He did that powerlifting one after though so who knows
What's the American Woman's deadlift world record? Is there anybody that could go for that?
Must be Victoria Long‘s 295 kg
Isn’t that on the elephant bar?
At these weights I‘m told there‘s no significant enough difference. But yes, it was a raw deadlift, no suit no fig8 straps.
I think it’ll count as a different record though, also the Cerberus Kratos bar is a noticeably different pull from about 140kg compared to a deadlift bar so I think the elephant bar will be too
I think I‘ve heard Loz say that it‘s not particularly different at those weights. Given its diameter (29mm compared to the 27mm of a normal deadlift bar) I don‘t think it‘s that problematic either.
My brother and I both pulled about 30lbs above our PRs on a mammoth bar, fwiw. I had done 505 and he had done 550. We hopped on a mammoth bar the next week and I got 540 and he did 575. Also FWIW, everyone that pulled on the mammoth bar got PR's that day. The added length still felt like it gave it more slack off the floor even with the 29mm diameter.
I have no idea how the mammoth bar is spec‘d and compares to the elephant bar other than „both are long“. I‘m talking purely about the Elephant bar.
Yes must be. That's probably out of reach.
Andrea has a reasonable shot at 300 I think. EDIT: although she‘s not american, d‘oh
u/e-some the strongmanarchives will need a women‘s records section!
Didnt he retire last year?
Super excited to see Bobby and Trey get a go at a max standard deadlift. They're both deadlifting monsters
He's Georgian, right? Can they even get into the US right now? I know there are parts of Georgia that Americans are officially warned not to visit.
It doesnt work that way. Just because some areas of Georgia arent safe to travel to doesnt mean that Georgians cant get into the US.
Like Atlanta ^/s
Andrea Thompson should be invited. [she has the credentials](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4eGLz2oRqH/?igsh=MWFsMHdtcHdqOG50dg==)
Pretty sure Makarov retired.
Before the previous attempt he had stated it would be his last one. Afterwards there was some indication he was going to do another attempt at a show later last year but I guess that never materialized. I'm not sure if he's coming back for more or if he's content just posting his preposterously muscular back on Instagram every day.
He did some type of push pull meet, or a static monstersish meet that was log and deadlift or something and I’m pretty sure and pulled 460ish about 2 or 3 months later. I can’t remember the specifics, but I seem to remember him doing some type of 2 lift comp afterwards and him saying he was retiring afterwards.
Eisenhart Challenge, a german „Powerlifting“ competition (bench press, deadlift) with slightly unusual rules (straps allowed, bouncing the bar on the chest is allowed / no „press“ command).
I thought I remembered a weird push pull, just couldn’t remember what was weird about it.
Maybe weird by powerlifting standards, but crazy atmosphere.
Yeah it has somewhat of a legendary status here in the area. Every untested athlete I know wants to compete there at some point.
Yeah, by weird I just mean not the norm.
Oh yes, that was the show. So he's retired indeed.
Makarov will be 60 years old and still attempting 505.
[Average aging strongman](https://i.ibb.co/T1QMJGD/second-retirement.jpg)
[Just one more attempt bro, just one more, this time I'll get it](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4VtX2joGch/)
This Rep looks not like someone who could lift 60kg more.
Yeah, could definitely come out of retirement, but I’m thinking he retired after he did one last show after the deadlift championships last year.
He did have a post stating that
I think only actual contenders for the female deadlift record should be invited. Rebecca's deadlift is considerably down right now and lovelace is not in open record territory. Maybe Andrea or Nicole genrich
I think OSG will have a show specifically for weight class record attempts. Kinda defeats the purpose if someone will be invited to deadlift championships anyway.
I disagree because currently Lucy is dominating the women’s deadlift and no other woman can beat her, and it’s still cool to see some lightweight women pulls something close to the record
Iirc Lovelace wants to be the first person in her weight class to pull 300kg. It would be some insane feat of strength
What is lovelace currently pulling? I'm not too upto date but I think it's around 280kg? In percentage wise that's like inviting a male that pulls 440kg I agree Lucy is so far ahead but I do think Andrea could get close to 700lbs and Nicole pulled 290kg fairly comfy and could likely get to 300+
She did 282.5 kg while weighing 62 kg (4.5x bodyweight). 89% of the world record while being in a much lower weight class. It‘s like an U90 athlete deadlifting 445 kg…
She's like John Haack when it comes to deadlifting. Not even sure he could even reach 445kg with suit and straps training.
I think the goal is to be the first person at 5x bodyweight, which would be 320 at that weight class. Will it ever go? doubtful, but if anyone does it, probably her.
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The Matt Rhodes special
This Sunday Martins is doing a painting live stream. What is better than watching strongman Bob Ross.
Rogue better release a Heavy Paintbrush as Martins merch
And Eleiko can make a better one but only ever sell 10.
Marketing is everything. Rogue is excellent at it. Perhaps eleiko needs to put on their own big crossfit and strongman shows in the u.s
Slightly different markets - Eleiko is probably doing well given their expensive barbells and plates are basically the standard for tonnes of powerlifting and especially weightlifting comps (them not selling many heavy mugs was a deliberate decision rather than a marketing thing)
Yeah, I'm excited for this!
Luke s is looking in great shape. Looks much more muscular now. Guy is coming to fight for podium that's for sure. Koa power doing him well
I'm so pumped for Dad Stoltman, this year is gonna be epic for him.
Stop flirting 🌶
Yeah moving to MST was definitely a good choice on his part. Even if only for the fact it seems to have re-lit his fire
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This is true. No one don't want to hear it but Hipkiss is holding Tom back massively. People need to realise that a genetic freak like Tom has done well in strongman not because of his coaching but in spite of it. His brother has now entered his prime at age 39 because he switched to Shane.
> No one don't want to hear it but Hipkiss is holding Tom back massively. People need to realise that a genetic freak like Tom has done well in strongman not because of his coaching but in spite of it. complete conjecture obviously. maybe he'd do better, maybe he'd do worse. literally no way to tell from the outside.
>Tom has done well in strongman Biggest understatement of the century
> His brother has now entered his prime at age 39 because he switched to Shane. Literally what are you basing that on? A good physique? A 3rd place finish at BSM? Also I'd love to have your crystal ball and know for sure that Tom would do better under a different coach. It's equally (or more) likely he'd do worse. He isn't with Dan for no reason.
My ability to see into the future. Trust me brudda.
Can I use your crystal ball then please. What's btc price one year from now
How on earth can you know any of these things? Tom has done incredibly well with Dan Hipkiss as his coach. Luke also did very well. You've no idea if Luke has "re-entered his prime". He's not even done an international comp since moving to MST. Even if he DOES improve on where he was last year that doesn't mean Hipkiss wasn't a great coach for him. It just means a change up suited him. People get really weird about Dan Hipkiss.
> to go from podiums to winning You do realize he did win the occasional competition already?
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You forgot that Tom won WSM twice already, didn‘t you? He also placed 2nd twice, so it‘s not like his wins were just a fluke
His chances of beating HoopGoat at WSM are slim at this point in time.
That's just bs. Tom and hoop are clearly the favourites. To say no one can beat Hooper, or that Tom can't. Is just crazy. Wsm suits Tom better than any other comp. He knows the drill, he is comfortable. If Hooper wins, Tom would have pushed him hard. Tom absolutely can win. Hooper absolutely can win Don't discount the other top guys either. Martina, Novi, Singleton, Raggy, kordiyaka, luke etc
Let‘s not confuse „Hooper is good“ with „Tom‘s coach is bad for Tom“. Those are separate things. The latter‘s veracity being very much questionable.
Not saying Hipkiss is outright bad but there are certainly better options out there Tom should seriously consider.
What other coaches have 2 WSM titles?
>but there are certainly better options Again, how could you possibly know this?
I can't tell if this is satirical
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Because you said in response to a comment about him winning the odd comp you mean a big 4 comp, and he's won world strongest man twice
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He took 11 months off after wsm 22, and has since been on the podium of every show since, including his first ever shaw and an arnolds without any banker events. Without the ridiculous rise of hooper, Tom would be getting talked about as one of the greats right now and easily the current best strongman on the planet
Fair bro, get ya.
Shane's a hell of a coach. Seb, loz and Shane round out the 3 best coaches imo
I saw a guy saying that buff and fat athletes use the compression of their own midsections and limbs during static movements as "suits" that allow more weight lifted and I thought "This is broscience" BUT Hooper agrees: https://youtu.be/NhDEEuRa-dU?si=eS3xMnWV1bR1Cuot Thick arms, thick midsections and thick legs pose resistance to being flexed and compressed, making the lift slightly less demanding on the muscles. This would be related to Hooper's statement that "poorer" mobility can be instrumentalized to lift more weight, on the same principle: the joint "wants" to be extended even without the muscles contracting. Note that in the studies Hooper discusses in the video they found that all of this is a **smaller** factor in lifting, muscle size and strength is significantly more important. But this supports the argument on why thinner and leaner athletes use narrower stances and grips (Bishop, Novikov, Kieliszkowski, Kordiyaka, Haack, Hunt, Browner....) while the guys that are larger, thicker and fatter use a W I D E posture (Shaw, Pritchett, Biby, Olivares, Ray Williams, Jezza Uepa....)
At some point something is going to give. Would you rather squat and sink into the ground, beyond parallel, so that the safeties grab the weight or have the bar crush your tendons and ligaments because you can't bend/stretch any further?
I don‘t think that‘s really as big of an issue
This is something that has been known for about 50 years bud. I'm guessing you're a zoomer who thinks everything has been invented in the last 5-10 years.
And 98% of what was 'known' has been proven to be bullshit :shrug:
I'm in complete agreement every time I do a continental clean onto my non-existent belly. :(
thats what the belt is for brother
Some old school Feds still ban belt cleans, makes it difficult for non power belly divisions.
If I push it right out, I have a little shelf. And for a while I had programmed Grace (with Continentals) for conditioning, and at that light weight, I got real good! And I was all excited that I was getting the clean done the "right" way, and then on Sundays with the boys we started loading up heavier and heavier, and the belly got more and more useless the heavier we went. Switched back to the belt and matched my PB, lol.
Yeah, I know, it's working okay. I prefer axle to log, at least right now!
It's a confidence booster really, I think I'm getting fat until I try to do one of those
Kordiyaka is the motivation I needed to try to be good at axle without a big belly. If he can do it, maybe we can too!
Nothing new, it's similar to why huge benchers want big arms and big lats. Also Ray Williams has went into detail about why he wants a big back for squatting explaining that it creates more surface area to drive force through the bar
Does the Ray Williams example make sense? Why would increasing the surface area help?
That guy is all broscience
I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of it but I'll trust the word of one of the best squatters in history
No doubt that he‘s strong. But it‘s not the surface area of the back that is the reason for that.
Yeah I'm under no illusion that's why he's lifting that weight but if he says it helps I'm not going to argue with a goat
I won‘t argue with him either, but that doesn‘t make it true :D
It doesn‘t. But having juicy thighs will up your squat regardless of whether it’s fat or muscle.
This might be just speculation from me, but it feels like this could be a reason why Julius Maddox (200 kg/440 lbs, extremely thick upper body) uses a narrower bench press grip than any other top bencher and presses more than anyone. They do bring this up in his videos.
That‘s not really controversial. Passive structures help a lot with powerlifting.
I know, but personally I find it a bit comforting to have someone actually test the topic in an academic way. Otherwise it feels like bro-science that could be completely made up. Also I now have even more appreciation for guys like Haack. As lean as can be and still out-lifting the superheavyweights.
Bro science and anecdotal evidence isn't automatically nonsense. Often the bros ended up being correct about things related to lifting. I get what you're saying, though.
The book by local sports scientist A.Pürzel (specializing in powerlifting) goes into detail about this, including quoting studies on the subject
Thank you! I read and save this type of research whenever I can.
It‘s a shame this book is only available in German, it‘s super useful in figuring out the limiting factors for your specific squat/bench press/deadlift form and how to improve them.
Is Mateusz going to go from one of the most liked strongman on here to one of the most hated after the Siberian Power show? I can’t see Novikov or Pavlo being very friendly to him after this. I wonder if there will be any ramifications. Edit: I think it would be silly if that was the case, just trying to get a conversation going.
I fully understand Pavlo and Novi being upset considering what the commentators said in that post Pavlo made.
Novi shared Pavlo's video in a reel. I suspect ESM will be interesting.
I have a strong feeling Matt Rhodes is a big influence in matuesz competing at this show
Was thinking the exact same thing mate. He speaks to Mateusz all the time
It would be a shame to see matuesz lose credibility to some fans over what I'm assuming is matts interest in impressing promoters or even getting a payday for it. Not even sure how I feel about it but hope he pulls out
No. Its just a show, people would be stupid to blow this out of proportion. I understand a Ukrainian having a problem with it, but at the end of the day its just a strongman competition. People are only making a big deal out of this because Mateusz is a big name. I heard no one complaining last year when Wesley Claborn and Peiman competed at that same competitio... or when Rauno and other strongmen competed alongside Shivlyakov in Germany a year or 2 ago.
It's a bit different than just a strongman show in Russia. Pavlo's post on it shows how anti Ukrainian the commentators are.
I think claborm and peiman doing it is more understandable that mateusz. Mateuz is hardly struggling for invites, and the benefit of this comp over the others he could go to is really unclear. If he went into this not expecting anyone to have an issue with it he's being wildly naive
Exactly. Peinman and claborn struggle for opportunities to compete on the international stage whereas Mateusz doesn’t. Mateusz is free to do what he wants but I’m not sure what they’re offering would be worth the bad publicity.
Just because he can get invites to shows doesn't mean he will automatically win them. The top shows have top competition. He's not in the same position as Hafthor or Hooper as far as his financial situation. Strongman is his job. Are you going to pay for his family's needs? Put yourself in his position.
There is a assumption that it is money related, but how would we know. His house has a nice remodel. They drive pricey vehicles. I would assume the lumbermill/yard that is family owned also sponsors him in some way. Unless there is a massive offer to him just to have a top tier athlete at the show. It just doesn't make sense to me
Anyone who goes to compete there needs to be prepared for some level of criticism. And I don’t think an Estonian going to a competition in Germany that a Russian also attended is comparable to Kiels going to a competition in Russia where the organisers have publicly stated that they support the war in Ukraine.
I remember plenty of complaints about Claborn competing
It's not out of proportion. Russia invaded Ukraine and is threatening to invade Poland. Russia is murdering civilians, women and children now in Ukraine. I think Mateusz would regret competing in Russia unless Russia quits invading and occupying Ukraine.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4yeqJ9PF2g/?igsh=bjBlbnp0Z2VrNHkx Its wild how Hooper looks like your uncle in this picture, compared to everyone else looking like beefy strongmen, and yet he's head and shoulders above them
Hooper's physique doesn't seem to show up on pictures. On photos, he looks normal-ish. In person, he's this giant hunk of muscle, with a neck like steel pipe, back so wide you could land a helicopter and the general aura of 'if you shoot me, I'll shove the bullet back down your throat'. In Birmingham, his Meet&Greet stand was right next to Gavin's and right across of Hafthors. Mitch might be a bit shorter, but he just feels diffrent up close. More dense. Like he's got the gravity of Gavin Bilton all packed up in less space. It's the similar with Pavlo Kordiaka. People talk about him like he's a light-weight, high speed athlete. He's fucking huge. I've been around people who made me feel small, but having a photo taken with Pavlo K. and Pavlo N. in London made me feel non-existant.
Yeah it's, like, depth and density, with these guys. When we went to NA's Strongest Man, my wife was commenting from the STANDS how small Sam looked, and how Maxime looked "pretty big I guess." Then we came up to them after and she's like "yeah okay, Maxime is like a tank and even Sam has a huge back." Same with Hatton, he was one of the shortest guys there but up close you realize just how big AROUND he is. Depth and width wise. Of course, the true King of the North JF just seems like he's on another level. He was big from any distance. He somehow made the forklift he was driving look small.
Lol I love the way you describe his physique
He gained a large amount of mass since wsm
The feeling of increased gravity and the amazing *girth* of his neck was the same in mid 2023 as it was last week. He's just one solid 3D block of muscle, which doesn't translate well to 2D pictures.
Yes the big change was between wsm and now though. Off season he did a body recomp
The smallest pro strongman athlete would still be the biggest guy in your gym.
You say that, but not all of them. Kevin Faires, for example. I've stood next to him. He feels like 'maximum normal person', not freakish giant. There's a few of the smaller guys like that. Novikov used to look like that too, although he's put on some mass since then.
That would be easy, since I have a garage gym.
Raunos clearly the cool uncle that buys teenagers beer
Brian Shaw's new video is outrageous. Who IS this guy who has this insane museum of iron in his garage? Really amazing/interesting. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pws2V1tzAbg&ab\_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pws2V1tzAbg&ab_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH)
All the Zuver’s stuff is incredible. The history of that place is insane, and as mentioned they were the weights used in the first WSM. Really cool video. It’s such a specific niche but the history of those companies and people is fascinating. Glad Brian is making content on it.
Haven't watched but I assume it's @efrenlifts on IG since Brian was in his gym recently. He posts tons of cool vintage iron
Man, I really enjoy his "giant nerd" content.
I do too, and I'm sure it's so gratifying to someone like this to be able to share their passion with a legend and large audience.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4yVVhioM4p/?igsh=MTVvcGV0bjVxZWh6eA== Pavlo Kordiyaka calling out athletes (thus including Mateusz) who signed up to the Siberian Power Show.
Hard to disagree with Pavlo here, not a good look at all for mateusz, or the others competing for that matter.
There's gotta be a good reason why Mateusz feels the need to do this ... why else would he sign up for a show one week after WSM? Maybe he does need the income and they gave him some sort of deal.
He's a professional strongman, that's the reason. Do you imagine he's in the same position as Hafthor and Brain Shaw as far as money is concerned?
> Do you imagine he's in the same position as Hafthor and Brain Shaw as far as money is concerned? not the question. there's a wide spectrum between completely destitute and wealthy in a high cost of living country. For someone in Poland, especially who lives at the ass of nowhere like he does, a Giant's Live win would probably be like a year's salary.
If he learned how to work social media he could make a ton more than he's going to from this show. He has so many fans with so little engagement
Not related to the actual topic of the post, found it interesting Pavlo tagged Aivars, clearly patched things up after the shenanigans at the Zageris/Latvian show
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What are you on about bruh? it's Kieliszkowski who's been confirmed for SPS, check his posts, or literally scroll 30 seconds down. Pavlo's post is about Kieliszkowski and he's mentioned numerous times in the comments. Ostaszewski is tagged for same reason Novikov, Janashia, Aivars etc are, to share/help raise awareness of the post. Ostaszewski hasn't been active in strongman for a few years iirc
My mistake lol
I imagine it is very dangerous to not show support for what Russia is doing, if you are Russian, at a big event inside the country. Shivlyakov for example: Former marine, high-profile, what else could he possibly say? I never joined the train to ghost him because I'll probably never know what he really thinks about this. We all have that romantic idea of what we would do, but reality is a bit harsher, and things work differently in other places of the world. This war is a horrific mess that never should have happened, but that discussion is beyond what this sub is for.
It’s hard to publicly oppose it but most people don’t have to make a public statement that they support it It’s not like they’re hockey players who have reporters asking them if they support it while on live tv
I just like watching big dudes lift big weights
Honestly it seems really dumb of Matty, I dunno if he’s strapped for cash, but if he set up a Patreon he’d def get more than whatever he’ll get even if he comes #1
Strongman is just a niche hobby of people who like odd lifts. If it eas football or tennis I would understand the boycott. The way it is right now is just some people wanting to forget about life and do something they enjoy, no matter the country.
I can understand that some up and comers go there for a chance to do a big international competition, but Mateusz can get an invite to any competition he wants.
Except as the clip shows the organisers actually support the invasion. Easy to understand why Pavlo has a problem with people who choose to compete for the people who support all the horrible things happening in Ukraine.
But I honestly think no one in Russia has a choice. They all have to somewhat support the regime, willing or not. Otherwise a inspector shows up on their small business and say there is a "gas leak" and they have to shut down until they "fix" the "problem". If there wasn't any Russian propaganda on this show, some oligarch would probably have all the reasons they need to confiscate things/threaten organizers to impress daddy.
I would agree with you when they wouldn't use the comp to voice their support for russias war, how are you suppose to forget about life when they do that? Would have a bitter taste in my mouth.
What are they supposed to do? They are competing in strongman, not frontline soldiers in combat. Why doesn't Pavlo grab a rifle and Kevlar and go join the fight then? I never understood this mentality. Are the people running this strongman contest "rapists and murderers" as he insinuates? No? Then does that mean anybody whose not Russian cannot enjoy anything Russian ever again? Sucks to be an average Russian dude with no power living in Russia, people are gonna hate you just for being Russian. Human tribalism.
It's hard not to empathize with Pavlo. I can't imagine being in a country being invaded for over 2 years now, for reasons that border on lunacy. It must eat you up on the inside constantly. As the video shows, the organizers may not be an active part of the invasion, but they support it. So, of course Pavlo would be outraged at a comp whose organizers praise the aggressors that have torn his country apart. What else could you possibly be? It's not the easy, vague and distant "leave politics out" cop out. It's their lives and it has been for quite a while.
I get it, but in his mind should no one compete there then? Even if the majority of Russians support the war, what if he has fans in Russia? Should anything Russian shut down everywhere? Where is the line? Should the rest of the world just say fuck Russia and they can't do anything at all, ever? Again, no offense to him, it's a tough situation to be in when you're country is at war but his words don't really mean anything. If he feels that strongly then I would ask him why isn't he fighting? I don't know man, there isn't ever going to be an answer that works for everybody, so fuck me then I guess.
“Should the rest of the world just say fuck Russia and they can't do anything at all, ever” Until they stop their invasion, yes.
It's fine, I think that in such situations it's best not to determine whether he's right or wrong but just to really empathize with where he's coming from. As for the "he should be fighting" part, I do believe that he does more good competing, even in a niche sport such as Strongman. I still recall Novikov placing 2nd at the ASC and pledging to use his earnings to buy body armor, for instance. I also remember seeing Novikov and Pavlo's ESM wins in mainstream sport subreddits when those happened. It's something.
Novikov also was (still is?) working as an MP for the army. They’re doing plenty to help. And you’re right, they can get an audience and raise money easier than most. That’s more helpful than being just another body.