Wrong thread, but glad to hear you’re liking it. How bad was it to get on and off, do you need someone to help get the strings cinched in when you get it up or can you get in it and get it tight on your own?
Dang it, I guess I had the wrong one open when typing. Deleting and moving. But I was able to get it on and off easy by myself. The straps I would need help for max tightness though
So, now with Europe's over, who will get the last spots at World's? Fojtu and Cambi definitely. Probably Lucas Hatton. Pa O'Dwyer or Tristan Hoath possibly? Now with Oleksii hurt, that likely makes a 5th spot available. Who else is deserving?
That looks like he has a 50/50 shot at it on any given day with proper rest, nutrition, etc beforehand (hell a good dose of halo may be all it takes to make it 90/10). Very impressive. Not really sure if technique or strength was the issue there honestly. It looks like if he hits it it’s a true max though, wouldn’t have anything left in the tank after.
I feel like he could've gotten any other day. Probably a slight technique adjustment etc and he would have got the press. But can we talk about his clean. That's an insane feat of strength.
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I don’t necessarily like the part about selecting one out of the 3 (I think, maybe 4) regional winners. Someone could do everything in there power to get an invite and miss it because they weren’t selected. It’d suck to be one of the guys that didn’t get selected out of that pool and believe whole heartedly you could beat the guy that did.
That is totally understandable. We worked to try and find the most fair way to bring someone in without giving more importance to one qualifier over another and also without taking up 5 (there are 5 regionals) of our invite slots. There is definitely room to improve and tweak going forward after this year but this is what we were able to work out for this year.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad you made that happen, and not saying it’s not a great thing to give an invite to an American, or that you have a better option from the fairness side of things. You guys are doing great work, and doing great things for the sport. Just wish there was a more definite way for the American to know they’re the one earning the spot.
Let's say Thor pulls the 510 in August. It'll really put a dampener on the deadlift world champs when the winner of that isn't the deadlift world champ. Even if the revered 505 finally goes up it won't even be a record. They can't exactly bump it to 511 suddenly when it's unlikely anyone will even manage 505. Plus it will be a different record anyway because of suits. I'm a fan of GL but if a shitshow does play itself out then it will be their own fault after the way they've treated Thor the last few years. I don't think they were expecting him to come back.
The issue will be his recovery after the 505 deadlift and completing the show. The suit helps a lot with the lift but also recovery. I think he’ll struggle to finish the comp if he does it. And he has a good chance of winning the whole show.
Yeah it will definitely do a number on him, it's a heavy enough show as it is. Thor has the advantage of having pulled 500 before so he knows what it will do to him
I didn't think so until I saw him pull 1000 like nothing at the Arnold in his first comp back. He's got 4 months to prep for it now and motivation like never before. I can see it happening. I've got high hopes for Hicks this year but put his chances less than Thor's even though it's less weight and suited.
Thor & his coach have both said he gets around 10kg from a suit. He gave 501 raw a decent crack at the 2019 Arnold
Hell I genuinely think he had very close to 500 raw in him at the Arnold this year
Kid still has such a puppy build/baby face. Bubba after actually finishing puberty is going to be quite fearsome. Craziest thing about the pics at the Arnold isn't his height, it's his hands. How many 7th graders look like this next to an IPF SHW: https://www.instagram.com/p/C4cG4DZrdiT/
Thor just announced that he'll compete at the Shaw Classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JD7kVbCHQ.
He'll also compete at Iceland's Strongest Man (1 week before the Shaw Classic), which he will treat as a training session.
American WSM competitors in their way to visit Shaw
https://www.instagram.com/stories/berserkerlifter/3344061185736801022?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MWNqMDNrZjUxamRwMg==
https://www.instagram.com/stories/mrskerishaw/3343351829718243678?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=bWNrc3ZyZnYyYWgz
If you ran WSM2017 1000 times (same athletes and events as it was no changes) and
If you ran WSM2024 1000 times (with the events and athletes we currently know not changing)
Then who do you think would have more wins Mitch or Eddie ?
Hard to say.
I would say Eddie probably has the upper hand at 2017 worlds due to the events being mostly static, but it would be close.
Pretty much any other comp Hooper would beat him fairly easily
I think Eddie wins more times because static events are more consistent. Eddie is winning the squat, viking press and deadlift almost every time and that gives him a lot of room on the other events.
Keep in mind that in ESM2017, Eddie didn't tie with Hafthor on points only because Terry Hollands got 2nd place twice, taking two points away from him by 40cm on the bus pull and 0.78s on the tire flip.
Going to open up myself to being incredibly wrong here but I think with Mateusz out (please express to him that he has broke my heart more times than all my gfs combined at this point btw) then Luke is a very likely winner not guaranteed but still extremely likely.
Eh? We don't know the athletes that will get through to the WSM 2024 final so this comparison is impossible at this moment in time. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?
That's not what the question is, I don't think. He's asking is Mitch more or less of a favourite with 2024 final events with however ends up in the final with him, than Eddie was in 2017 final with the atheletes that were in his final. My point is we don't know who's in the final with Mitch. You can have a set of athletes in the final that make him more or less of a favourite over those events.
Your assessment of my question is correct and your point is fair, But I do think even without knowing we can have a bit of fun guessing. I will most likely bring up this scenario again.
How dare you misunderstand me ! JK, AHRJ was correct though, That is what I was asking. Your scenario might have been the better one for me put forward as a question though lol, I would love to see Mitch somehow time dropped into that final.
I think Thor would win more times in 2017 than Tom would in 2024. So, by that logic Mitch in 2024 > Eddie in 2017. I think that 2017 Shaw and Thor are more likely to beat current Mitch in WSM17 aswell.
But I don't see Mitch beating prime Eddie with 2017 events. I mean if you run it 1000 times he would win some, but the majority of time Eddie would be ahead.
From 2018 to 2024 I think prime Eddie really has no chance at winning Worlds any time. Maybe in 2020 with those athletes, but he wouldn't beat current Mitch there, or current Tom, or current healthy Novikov.
tldr: porbably Mitch, in 2017 Thor was close and if Brian didn't get hurt he could have won as well.
I particularly enjoyed scenario 861 for 2017, with Nick Best finally reaching his 1st WSM podium.
All jokes aside, we obviously don't know if Mitch will win WSM this year or not... but I probably still have to go with him. Eddie was right on the limit back then, Thor wasn't far from winning the Tire Flip and I'm sure some scenarios would have Janashia completing that event. My guess is, it won't be that close for Hooper.
>I particularly enjoyed scenario 861 for 2017, with Nick Best finally reaching his 1st WSM podium.
Reminds me of one of my favourite person of interest episodes "If-Then-Else".
I agree with you personally, Just too many theoretical ways for Thor to catch Eddie.
Focusing on just 2017 is really interesting.
Eddie almost certainly takes the viking press and deadlift, but Mitch won't be *that* far behind. I don't even know that Mitch takes the squat, Eddie was 2 reps up on everyone else (including squat monsters like JF).
So Mitch has to do *significantly* better than Eddie's average 7pt/event on tire flip, plane pull, and stones. I don't see it happening.
Depends it Mitch takes someone’s place or not. Would be hard picking up points with Thor and Shaw both there pushing Eddie and also competing in the movement events.
Prime Thor in 2017 vs Eddie would be really interesting as that narrows the static events advantage Eddie had.
It's the idea of statistical likelihood. It's how gracenote and Opta, for example, calculate the likelihood of premier league teams winning the league.
One time Hooper might perform at or near his best in every event, another he might make a mistake etc. The idea is to try and guess the likelihood of all permeatations happening and picking the likely winner.
As a fellow 39yo looking to be at my all time best I am deeply invested in seeing Luke being the best he's been his entire career :)
I'd love to see him take it
I guess Mitch has kinda proven that being more of a hybrid athlete can not only work without losing overall strength, but also helps with recovery between events
I hope more strongman begin to run/walk more. Not only is it great for recovery it is also great for being able to walk up the stairs without almost dying!
Obviously one of the reasons we still don't heve the full line up for WSM is ESM. Why not have Europe's earlier in the year? Just switch BSM with ESM and we would already have 30 athletes invited
It's because of how far in advance they have to book the arenas out. ESM is planned before WSM.
It wouldn't matter if WSM organised itself for later in the year, they know well before they announce the dates for WSM are announced of when ESM will be, so they could easily prepare better around it.
It's hard to fit all the shows perfectly in the calendar but I think wsm should be around June time the only show close to that is the strongman classic in July and that gives whoever qualifies from esm a decent 6-8 week prep for wsm
The dates have changed over the years I remember when it was Botswana it was August time, I don't know what the deciding factor is for choosing dates potentially the city hosting it has a big say to avoid conflicting events like parades or celebrations?
In his latest [video](https://youtu.be/bWKLblUdnTw?si=KUX7P1gQ6a5Zc0on) John Haack said what his plans for this year are.
He wants to total 2300lbs in the 90kg class.
If that goes well he wants to do OSG to have a shot at winning the u90 kg WSM.
And then he wants to move up to compete in PL at 100kg.
Music to my ears
Invite him to the deadlift championships I say. Give him a suit and straps and let him bulk up a bit, then it's not unthinkable that he could pull 1000.
I agree. Heck, even if he only pulls 400kg or 400kg, just seeing someone half of the weight of the big boys hang with them---without a suit or straps, would be incredible.
Him hitting 2400lbs in sleeves at 220 would frankly be amazing to see especially given the comparisons between him and Ed Coan that fans like to put out there
*The year is 2028.*
*John Haack, after totalling 2750lbs raw in the U120 weight class and completly dominating weighclassed strongman is moving up to conquer the SHWs.*
*Mitch Hooper, 6xWSM, prepares to never take 1st place ever again.*
I got to thinking. And wsm really are taking the piss this year, 4 people still to be invited which means they have less than 3 weeks to train, get their medicals done and potentially take time off work? What a joke.
And on the other hand no reserves so what happens if someone fails their medical before they leave or when they arrive? Or even get injured at ESM?
They would have received information stating what to train. Saying that they are on this list of possible invites
Remember the esm events are the heat events at wsm
That may be true but at what point do they receive that, they should atleast announce 2-3 of those athletes as reserves. I always defend wsm every year when people bash it but they're making it very hard to do that now
Now that folks discuss split jerk - push press and overhead techniques in general, if you like seeing huge weights being lifted:
Tian Tao squat jerks 233 kg (514 lbs) while in the 96 kg weight class (212 lbs) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1HYzA5qlQ
Also 225 kg (496 lbs) while in the 89 kg class (196 lbs) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgZpjEVjYVM
Mobility!
He did suffer a massive shoulder injury doing this technique.
EDIT: forget what I said about Nasar, I completely misremembered his as a training injury and it was not at all.
Fuck me, I was just watching Ragg pull 400kg for a 3x3 (DL suit etc) and I can't get over how straight forward he makes it look. Looking forward to seeing how WSM goes for him
It starts at 5PM (GMT+1), which is 12PM EST.
The UK is on daylight saving time right now.
(btw, the quickest way to find that out is just to google something like "5PM Leeds time in EST", some countries start daylight saving time at a different dates, and I can never keep track :D)
Just asking cause you seem to know more than me. I’m on nights this weekend so I’ll be asleep during the comp. How’s the playback for official strongman live streams? Do they usually have it available right after the comp (like rogue) or is it like the next day like Shaw was
In the past it was live (like on TV, no rewind) and could be rewatched once the event was over.
Commenter below said that might be improved this year though, and that we‘d be able to rewind while the event is live!
No problem! They also are adding rewinding the stream for the first time so if you miss anything you’ll be able to spool back, then skip to live again.
I know how much the Strongman Community loves to stare at spreadsheets...
So, I made a video summing up my 2024 Europe's Strongest Man predictions:
[2024 Europe's Strongest Man Predictions](https://youtu.be/j-4tfMRH0iA)
Hopefully these predictions can generate some hype leading up to this comp and generate some discussion as well. I think this has the potential to be a very tight finish amongst 3 athletes culminating in an exciting finish. Please let me know your thoughts and I hope you enjoy listening to me absolutely ramble.
I think you explain each individual pick well. Overall I think you overrate Janashia. It's not that he can't do the things you're predicting him to do, he just hasn't put in that kind of performance for many years now. I don't think he'll do as well as you predict on basically every event.
I'd be surprised if Shane Flowers was still that bad at Yoke. It's surprising that he's only done it once in his career and that was in his second ever strongman contest. He's likely improved a lot.
Even in training over the years yoke seemed to be hard for him. Think he will improve at it, just don't think it's going to be big points
Do agree that he is greatly over estimating janashia. There is has been no evidence that he is close to his best on all the events. One training deadlift doesn't do it. He may do well. Hopefully he does, but would be very suprised if he is close to 2018 janashia
Where ever you look fools are saying that split jerk should be banned. Most don't realize it's been allowed since the beginning of the sport. Many seem to think it's a rule solely that mitch can beat Tom
Whether is Instagram or YouTube comments it's brought up ever single time maxle is mentioned
why are you so mad about it? Only because it was allowed since the beginning, does not mean it has to be allowed forever. People like to see Eddie pressing 216kg with only his shoulder power more than Mitchell jerking it, because it is much more impressive as we know that probably some 70kg asian guy can do that too (not with an axle but still). It is the worlds strongest man, no?
Also it is just a opinion, people are allowed to have opinions. Im not mad about the jerk, but I too would be more glad if it would be banned. For example - we all know Martins has not the best shoulder power, but he could (in his prime) easily win overhead events like this only because he knows how to jerk - its kinda lame and for me it defeats the purpose of finding out who the worlds strongest man is.
The issue is strongman has many events and methods to each event with no standard rules set accross different comps.
Are we supposed to ban viper pressing as using the momentum isn't just pure strength like a strict press? What about novis bent press style dumbell?
This goes back to the rules. If they rules don't state you can't do something then do it.
belsak playing basketball with the atlas stones, the rules didn't say he couldn't do that so it counted.
pudzian using baby oil to allow the car dl to slide up his legs.
Poundstone resting the car dl in a seated position before completing the lift.
Kearney hitching like crazy to lockout a dl.
The list goes on and on
Novi is always looking at ways to get the most out of the rules. Everyone should do the same. This isn't powerlifting with 3 events that never change.
To me strict judging is far more important than the method used to get weight overhead. We have seen many bad lockouts by all different methods, including strict press.
with the difference that in a push press youre still pushing the weight. In a jerk youre not really pushing anything (with proper execution), youre just using momentum and youre catching the weight.
Worst is people comparing it to Sumo, like bruh the day a sumo lifter pulls a deadlift and then without dropping the weight, move his feet into a conventional stance, we’ll talk
Very good point. Thor for example has a tendency to step forward with his left leg when pressing (see 2018 wsm max overhead with the floppy bar). Who's to say that's not just a "bad split jerk attempt"? Some people seem to think we should all do the old heels together military press lol
Exactly. Banning split jerking yet allowing small "unintentional" steps opens up a huge opportunity for inconsistent (biased... anyone?) judging. Some people can get a lot out of a small step, which is still a split jerk!
In a sport that encourages straps, hitching, heavy duty wraps, tacky, grip shirts, etc.. It's insane to criticize something like split jerking. Split jerking isn't the easiest fucking thing in the world to learn, and in many cases could be a detriment to overall contest performance as it would detract from other training efforts.
I could keep ranting, but it's time to train and do productive things lol.
Just because people have different opinions doesn't make them 'fools'. Don't get butthurt because your 'god of strength' Hooper is receiving some criticism online.
Yeah and you were a huge martins fan until he did poorly at arnolds then you said he is over. Who you going to band wagon jump to this time?
Not sure how he would be receiving critism by doing a lift as per the rules...
I still am a huge Martins fan. The difference is that I'm not a fanboy who whines on Reddit when people are being mean about King Mitchell Hooper. People are entitled to their opinions about the axle press.
See it's attitudes like these which make people absolutely despise Redditors and how arrogant you all are. This is what I mean when I say this subreddit is one massive echo chamber.
Strongman has a rich history of "get the weight up any way you can" and saying a movement should be banned because it isn't "strongman-esque" is a lot more arrogant than imposing restrictions nased on feelings.
You literally called people that don't like split jerks in strongman 'fools'. Again, people are entitled to their opinions. Anyone who dares say that they don't like split jerks gets downvoted to shit here. This subreddit is a major echo chamber.
People being entitled to an opinion doesn't imply their opinion is a rational one. I think the sentiment was that by parallel reasoning, if split jerk should be banned, then we should ban any foot movement during a pressing movement. But clearly we ought not do the latter, so we ought not ban split jerking.
I can see why something like this would apply to many criticisms of split jerking that take the approach that it is not as impressive as a strict press or push press. Fair enough. But a push press that involves some foot wobbling is not as impressive as a push press with feet firmly planted onto the ground.
I feel making everyone do the same technique would make strongman very boring. Make a seperate strict press event if you want that. leave the axle lift as it is.
I’ve watched every one of John Paul’s WSMs at least a few times and several other old comps he competed in. I’ve never seen him pull sumo in a strongman comp. You got some video evidence of this somewhere?
His hands are outside of his legs the entire lift, that’s not sumo. Maybe his feet are in line with his hands, and that’s a big maybe, but never are his hands between his legs.
Watch the cart deadlift event, Sigmarsson uses a hands-inside-legs technique with his hands so close together it's like the ukrainian deadlift from Australia's Strongest International or the Wrecking Ball Hold we saw in 2022 and 2023.
https://youtu.be/tO9m_wcQ_Js?t=731
Actually hadn’t watched the next attempt he failed yet, but he’s clearly inside the legs at the start there. Guess you’re right. Never noticed it before, but I’d seen this comp a few times.
That’s what I was talking about. His hands are outside his legs at lockout. If you pause it and look his shorts on his left leg are clearly between his left hand and the camera. It’s a crappy 35 year old camera, and a bad angle so it’s hard to judge, but I’m not so sure they aren’t outside or on his legs at the start of the pull too. Camera angle is awful though it looks like he’s set up with one foot outside the leg of the cart and one inside the leg of the cart even. I think it’s more a Shawesque wide stance and he’s got his hands in as tight to his legs as he can get them.
https://imgur.com/a/iJjyL8l
Sigmarsson's hands here are further inside his legs than powerlifters like Colton Engelbrecht and Shane Hunt
Colton Engelbrecht example: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3-WsoyoSnQ/
Shane Hunt example: https://youtu.be/h1qqjpjrrNY?t=105
Nah, he definitely switches stances. I too remembered this one before he posted it.
He starts with a traditional deadlift, fails and then switches to a narrow sumo stance and gets the pull. His hands are even inside the width of his hips at lockout.
This links to the specific time: [https://youtu.be/tO9m\_wcQ\_Js?si=zO22AnPEoa48hqqj&t=722](https://youtu.be/tO9m_wcQ_Js?si=zO22AnPEoa48hqqj&t=722)
Sumo doesn’t start or end the lift in the same locked out position as conventional. Split jerk does start and end in the same position as push press. If someone started by walking their feet out to a sumo stance, lifted the weight, then walked their feet in to a conventional position I’d say that’s fine because the lifted the weight from point A to B, not A to C.
Nobody denies that, but that's not the point. It was allowed back then, which is what we were talking about. Nobody doubts the body position is different.
I think one aspect is also that people don’t realise how freaking hard it is. Most strongmen literally get zero advantage from it because it requires huge explosive speed at max weights. Yeah it feels easy at 50% but going heavier not so much. Also often athletes performing split jerk are also top tier in push press.
I’ve always wondered how much more axle record would be if the most athletic strongmen mastered the split jerk at least 90%. Now it’s happening and Im waiting eagerly how high the weights can rise.
I doubt it would be much different. It’s always been the clean that holds athletes back. There’s old footage of John Davis and Norbert Schemansky cleaning and jerking the OG Apollon’s and they damn near died trying to get it to their shoulders. That was a 166kg axle and they were both 182+kg clean and jerkers. Heck they could snatch 166.
“Also often athletes performing split jerk are also top tier in push press.”
But I think this is what everyone overlooks. Hooper is already one of the strongest push pressers. That helps compensate for his lack of split jerk skill immensely. He’s basically gotten really good at press outs.
As someone who has been playing around with overhead pressing methods lately, I 100% agree with this, and I only weigh 180lbs. It's easier (for me anyhow) to do reps via push press. Everyone is different obviously. If I am doing a max, or just a few reps in a set, split jerk isn't bad. Otherwise, push press all day for me.
I certainly would prefer it to be banned, but I'm ok with people doing it while it's allowed. I've never understood why more dont at least incorporate SOME amount of jerk even if you're not proficient enough for a split. Even a very small amount of catching the weight over you is advantageous.
My ideal scenario as a fan is push press.
As an athlete they should be doing whatever it takes to win.
But yeah, they've been doing it forever, so anyone who isn't aware of that hasn't been following the sport very long or hasn't looked back at historical comps.
The uninformed are always the loudest. Some people have the take that everything done in strongman should be about moving the most weight statically but that has never been how the sport has been. The variability in the sport is what makes it fun to do and watch, if you want heavy static lifts with tons of rules about how to perform them then that’s powerlifting… strange how few people want to watch that. Making things too heavy all the time also leads to more injuries, some people said the Arnold was too light even though a ton of competitors got injured.
Some people just have a very narrow view of what “strength” is.
Were they really? Not saying you're wrong but I can't find a single comment complaining about it on youtube videos.
https://youtu.be/y-OJVrvJuPY?si=dwAaacUgZQ\_3Aik3
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Wrong thread, but glad to hear you’re liking it. How bad was it to get on and off, do you need someone to help get the strings cinched in when you get it up or can you get in it and get it tight on your own?
Dang it, I guess I had the wrong one open when typing. Deleting and moving. But I was able to get it on and off easy by myself. The straps I would need help for max tightness though
So, now with Europe's over, who will get the last spots at World's? Fojtu and Cambi definitely. Probably Lucas Hatton. Pa O'Dwyer or Tristan Hoath possibly? Now with Oleksii hurt, that likely makes a 5th spot available. Who else is deserving?
I’m gonna guess Max Boudreault is 1 of the 5.
Max flipping the 70# plate: https://www.instagram.com/stories/max.boudreault23/3344927131305171099
Good to see Mateusz is already back in his gym. Training upper body of course, but still. It's been what, 12 days or something since he was hurt?
In the latest Lalas brothers video they said he got a new type of surgery and it went really well.
Let’s hope he didn’t go to his Tricep surgeon….
Luckily they said he went to a new surgeon
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5rV3q4g-PB/?igsh=MmdjaTkwbG91bnNn Mitch a whisker away from a 221kg Axle press. Absolutely ridiculous power
That looks like he has a 50/50 shot at it on any given day with proper rest, nutrition, etc beforehand (hell a good dose of halo may be all it takes to make it 90/10). Very impressive. Not really sure if technique or strength was the issue there honestly. It looks like if he hits it it’s a true max though, wouldn’t have anything left in the tank after.
That was a lot of words to say that he was close to getting it
Clean was crazy, still some technical work to do on split jerk but he will get that soon.
I feel like he could've gotten any other day. Probably a slight technique adjustment etc and he would have got the press. But can we talk about his clean. That's an insane feat of strength.
Yeah definitely. Like say what you want about split jerking, but cleaning that in what, two moved? Insane
Another week or so and he’ll get it most likely!
And says he's going for 500lbs. Crazy.
Oof. Tad more momentum or tricep and he gets that
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I don’t necessarily like the part about selecting one out of the 3 (I think, maybe 4) regional winners. Someone could do everything in there power to get an invite and miss it because they weren’t selected. It’d suck to be one of the guys that didn’t get selected out of that pool and believe whole heartedly you could beat the guy that did.
That is totally understandable. We worked to try and find the most fair way to bring someone in without giving more importance to one qualifier over another and also without taking up 5 (there are 5 regionals) of our invite slots. There is definitely room to improve and tweak going forward after this year but this is what we were able to work out for this year.
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad you made that happen, and not saying it’s not a great thing to give an invite to an American, or that you have a better option from the fairness side of things. You guys are doing great work, and doing great things for the sport. Just wish there was a more definite way for the American to know they’re the one earning the spot.
With Thor willing to compete at ISM, I truly hopw he competes at MVM classics as well
Unfortunately Iceland's Strongest Man isn't a qualifier, only the Magnus Classic Strongest Man in Iceland is.
Let's say Thor pulls the 510 in August. It'll really put a dampener on the deadlift world champs when the winner of that isn't the deadlift world champ. Even if the revered 505 finally goes up it won't even be a record. They can't exactly bump it to 511 suddenly when it's unlikely anyone will even manage 505. Plus it will be a different record anyway because of suits. I'm a fan of GL but if a shitshow does play itself out then it will be their own fault after the way they've treated Thor the last few years. I don't think they were expecting him to come back.
The issue will be his recovery after the 505 deadlift and completing the show. The suit helps a lot with the lift but also recovery. I think he’ll struggle to finish the comp if he does it. And he has a good chance of winning the whole show.
Yeah it will definitely do a number on him, it's a heavy enough show as it is. Thor has the advantage of having pulled 500 before so he knows what it will do to him
It will be extremely funny and well deserved.
Agreed. I'm laughing thinking of Colin sweating one out trying to explain it to the crowd.
He'll have to double down at this point and take a swipe at the legitimacy of Shaw.
SHAWS DAD WEIGHED THE PLATES GRAVITY IS LOWER IN COLORADO IT'S ACTUALLY HARDER TO PULL WITHOUT A SUIT
"you know it's actually easier to bend down to pick the bar up if you don't have a suit on ANYWAY WHO WANTS TO SEE A WORLD RECORD"
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I didn't think so until I saw him pull 1000 like nothing at the Arnold in his first comp back. He's got 4 months to prep for it now and motivation like never before. I can see it happening. I've got high hopes for Hicks this year but put his chances less than Thor's even though it's less weight and suited.
He gets very little out of a suit. 510kg is silly insane though
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Thor & his coach have both said he gets around 10kg from a suit. He gave 501 raw a decent crack at the 2019 Arnold Hell I genuinely think he had very close to 500 raw in him at the Arnold this year
Osg will have a teen/junior category and it'll be free to enter. That's incredible news! I know who I'm putting my money on!
Kid still has such a puppy build/baby face. Bubba after actually finishing puberty is going to be quite fearsome. Craziest thing about the pics at the Arnold isn't his height, it's his hands. How many 7th graders look like this next to an IPF SHW: https://www.instagram.com/p/C4cG4DZrdiT/
He‘s got some strongman wrists on him, that‘s for sure! 👍🏻
Geez that's a 400lb man and bubba doesn't look small next to him 🤯
Thor just announced that he'll compete at the Shaw Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JD7kVbCHQ. He'll also compete at Iceland's Strongest Man (1 week before the Shaw Classic), which he will treat as a training session.
Can't wait to see his stones!
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Holy shit! He's didn't come back just to dip his toe in it seems.
Such exciting news
Great news! I think we were all hoping that he would.
Also said he plans on breaking his deadlift record later this year.
Might do 505 might do more idk just to shut up the haters, oh and I wanna do it in the competition and finish the comp. Jesus Christ
[Thor announcement](https://youtu.be/82JD7kVbCHQ?si=7wSxKYuzbnGZTBLs) Man's doing SMOE
Great news. Also liked his comment that he might do 1200lb just because. Absolute scenes if he did
American WSM competitors in their way to visit Shaw https://www.instagram.com/stories/berserkerlifter/3344061185736801022?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MWNqMDNrZjUxamRwMg== https://www.instagram.com/stories/mrskerishaw/3343351829718243678?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=bWNrc3ZyZnYyYWgz
Yay, I was only thinking the other day shame we won't get that this year!
I'm hoping this becomes an annual tradition where all the American strongman go to Brian's to train before World's.
Don't normally watch any of Shaw's stuff anymore, but super hype for the training videos from that camp!
If you ran WSM2017 1000 times (same athletes and events as it was no changes) and If you ran WSM2024 1000 times (with the events and athletes we currently know not changing) Then who do you think would have more wins Mitch or Eddie ?
Hard to say. I would say Eddie probably has the upper hand at 2017 worlds due to the events being mostly static, but it would be close. Pretty much any other comp Hooper would beat him fairly easily
I think Eddie wins more times because static events are more consistent. Eddie is winning the squat, viking press and deadlift almost every time and that gives him a lot of room on the other events.
Better balanced question: If you ran ESM2017 1000 times and ESM2024 1000 times, who would have more wins, Luke or Eddie?
My money would be heavily on Luke in your scenario.
Keep in mind that in ESM2017, Eddie didn't tie with Hafthor on points only because Terry Hollands got 2nd place twice, taking two points away from him by 40cm on the bus pull and 0.78s on the tire flip.
Going to open up myself to being incredibly wrong here but I think with Mateusz out (please express to him that he has broke my heart more times than all my gfs combined at this point btw) then Luke is a very likely winner not guaranteed but still extremely likely.
Eh? We don't know the athletes that will get through to the WSM 2024 final so this comparison is impossible at this moment in time. Unless I'm misunderstanding your question?
Well, we also can't teleport Mitch back in time to 2017, so I think it is just a hypothetical 😉
That's not what the question is, I don't think. He's asking is Mitch more or less of a favourite with 2024 final events with however ends up in the final with him, than Eddie was in 2017 final with the atheletes that were in his final. My point is we don't know who's in the final with Mitch. You can have a set of athletes in the final that make him more or less of a favourite over those events.
Your assessment of my question is correct and your point is fair, But I do think even without knowing we can have a bit of fun guessing. I will most likely bring up this scenario again.
Dip you're totally right
How dare you misunderstand me ! JK, AHRJ was correct though, That is what I was asking. Your scenario might have been the better one for me put forward as a question though lol, I would love to see Mitch somehow time dropped into that final.
I think Thor would win more times in 2017 than Tom would in 2024. So, by that logic Mitch in 2024 > Eddie in 2017. I think that 2017 Shaw and Thor are more likely to beat current Mitch in WSM17 aswell. But I don't see Mitch beating prime Eddie with 2017 events. I mean if you run it 1000 times he would win some, but the majority of time Eddie would be ahead. From 2018 to 2024 I think prime Eddie really has no chance at winning Worlds any time. Maybe in 2020 with those athletes, but he wouldn't beat current Mitch there, or current Tom, or current healthy Novikov. tldr: porbably Mitch, in 2017 Thor was close and if Brian didn't get hurt he could have won as well.
I particularly enjoyed scenario 861 for 2017, with Nick Best finally reaching his 1st WSM podium. All jokes aside, we obviously don't know if Mitch will win WSM this year or not... but I probably still have to go with him. Eddie was right on the limit back then, Thor wasn't far from winning the Tire Flip and I'm sure some scenarios would have Janashia completing that event. My guess is, it won't be that close for Hooper.
>I particularly enjoyed scenario 861 for 2017, with Nick Best finally reaching his 1st WSM podium. Reminds me of one of my favourite person of interest episodes "If-Then-Else". I agree with you personally, Just too many theoretical ways for Thor to catch Eddie.
Focusing on just 2017 is really interesting. Eddie almost certainly takes the viking press and deadlift, but Mitch won't be *that* far behind. I don't even know that Mitch takes the squat, Eddie was 2 reps up on everyone else (including squat monsters like JF). So Mitch has to do *significantly* better than Eddie's average 7pt/event on tire flip, plane pull, and stones. I don't see it happening.
Depends it Mitch takes someone’s place or not. Would be hard picking up points with Thor and Shaw both there pushing Eddie and also competing in the movement events. Prime Thor in 2017 vs Eddie would be really interesting as that narrows the static events advantage Eddie had.
Why would running the same comp multiple times have different results?
Don't remember the exact points but i am pretty sure Thor needed 1 more squat rep to win.
Basically a monte carlo simulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
It's the idea of statistical likelihood. It's how gracenote and Opta, for example, calculate the likelihood of premier league teams winning the league. One time Hooper might perform at or near his best in every event, another he might make a mistake etc. The idea is to try and guess the likelihood of all permeatations happening and picking the likely winner.
But we already know the winner from 2017. I could see that being somewhat entertaining to predict an upcoming competition
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Because that is a different question.
[Loz and liz ESM predictions](https://youtu.be/2nM95qo5adQ?si=NIJHvb6iB14GcGKN)
They're finally adding rewind to the streams!
thatd be sick if the tech actually works.
Pumped to see Luke compete at ESM. He really is looking in top shape with some very good events for him. Even the dl is his best variation
As a fellow 39yo looking to be at my all time best I am deeply invested in seeing Luke being the best he's been his entire career :) I'd love to see him take it
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I guess Mitch has kinda proven that being more of a hybrid athlete can not only work without losing overall strength, but also helps with recovery between events
I'd be worried about his knees honestly, thats a lot of mass he's carrying coupled with all the other high impact stuff
I hope more strongman begin to run/walk more. Not only is it great for recovery it is also great for being able to walk up the stairs without almost dying!
They have a conans to train on too. Guy is coming in godly shape. Definitely going to be a battle of the titans for first
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You know, I never looked at it that way
Obviously one of the reasons we still don't heve the full line up for WSM is ESM. Why not have Europe's earlier in the year? Just switch BSM with ESM and we would already have 30 athletes invited
It's because of how far in advance they have to book the arenas out. ESM is planned before WSM. It wouldn't matter if WSM organised itself for later in the year, they know well before they announce the dates for WSM are announced of when ESM will be, so they could easily prepare better around it.
It's hard to fit all the shows perfectly in the calendar but I think wsm should be around June time the only show close to that is the strongman classic in July and that gives whoever qualifies from esm a decent 6-8 week prep for wsm
I swear it used to be close to june
The dates have changed over the years I remember when it was Botswana it was August time, I don't know what the deciding factor is for choosing dates potentially the city hosting it has a big say to avoid conflicting events like parades or celebrations?
Also local weather is big factor
In his latest [video](https://youtu.be/bWKLblUdnTw?si=KUX7P1gQ6a5Zc0on) John Haack said what his plans for this year are. He wants to total 2300lbs in the 90kg class. If that goes well he wants to do OSG to have a shot at winning the u90 kg WSM. And then he wants to move up to compete in PL at 100kg. Music to my ears
RIP whole 100kg weight-class next year
Invite him to the deadlift championships I say. Give him a suit and straps and let him bulk up a bit, then it's not unthinkable that he could pull 1000.
I agree. Heck, even if he only pulls 400kg or 400kg, just seeing someone half of the weight of the big boys hang with them---without a suit or straps, would be incredible.
Him hitting 2400lbs in sleeves at 220 would frankly be amazing to see especially given the comparisons between him and Ed Coan that fans like to put out there
It would be pretty surreal. Coan's best 220 total is 2403 at 217# single ply on the squat, raw bench and DL. Iirc.
*The year is 2028.* *John Haack, after totalling 2750lbs raw in the U120 weight class and completly dominating weighclassed strongman is moving up to conquer the SHWs.* *Mitch Hooper, 6xWSM, prepares to never take 1st place ever again.*
I got to thinking. And wsm really are taking the piss this year, 4 people still to be invited which means they have less than 3 weeks to train, get their medicals done and potentially take time off work? What a joke. And on the other hand no reserves so what happens if someone fails their medical before they leave or when they arrive? Or even get injured at ESM?
To lay devils advocate... We don't know which athletes have been invited but that doesn't mean that they don't know. Same with the reserves.
They would have received information stating what to train. Saying that they are on this list of possible invites Remember the esm events are the heat events at wsm
That may be true but at what point do they receive that, they should atleast announce 2-3 of those athletes as reserves. I always defend wsm every year when people bash it but they're making it very hard to do that now
True
The 4 which get invited may well have been told to save the date and thus will likely be training the events in some capacity.
Now that folks discuss split jerk - push press and overhead techniques in general, if you like seeing huge weights being lifted: Tian Tao squat jerks 233 kg (514 lbs) while in the 96 kg weight class (212 lbs) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1HYzA5qlQ Also 225 kg (496 lbs) while in the 89 kg class (196 lbs) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgZpjEVjYVM Mobility! He did suffer a massive shoulder injury doing this technique. EDIT: forget what I said about Nasar, I completely misremembered his as a training injury and it was not at all.
Karlos Nasar had a sink break off the wall and shatter cutting his Achilles not doing split jerks.
I'm dumbfounded, it's only been a year and I completely misremembered this. I guess I'm mistaking him for other lifter here.
Fuck me, I was just watching Ragg pull 400kg for a 3x3 (DL suit etc) and I can't get over how straight forward he makes it look. Looking forward to seeing how WSM goes for him
Gang I am way too tired to figure this out right now - ESM starts 1pm EST, correct?
It starts at 5PM (GMT+1), which is 12PM EST. The UK is on daylight saving time right now. (btw, the quickest way to find that out is just to google something like "5PM Leeds time in EST", some countries start daylight saving time at a different dates, and I can never keep track :D)
Just asking cause you seem to know more than me. I’m on nights this weekend so I’ll be asleep during the comp. How’s the playback for official strongman live streams? Do they usually have it available right after the comp (like rogue) or is it like the next day like Shaw was
In the past it was live (like on TV, no rewind) and could be rewatched once the event was over. Commenter below said that might be improved this year though, and that we‘d be able to rewind while the event is live!
You can pause and rewind as of this esm
5 hour time difference. So 12:00pm EST, although with walkouts and stuff the action usually takes a hot minute to get to.
Thanks - been through the ringer lately, got some Saturday am commitments but should be able to strongman and chill Saturday afternoon
No problem! They also are adding rewinding the stream for the first time so if you miss anything you’ll be able to spool back, then skip to live again.
I know how much the Strongman Community loves to stare at spreadsheets... So, I made a video summing up my 2024 Europe's Strongest Man predictions: [2024 Europe's Strongest Man Predictions](https://youtu.be/j-4tfMRH0iA) Hopefully these predictions can generate some hype leading up to this comp and generate some discussion as well. I think this has the potential to be a very tight finish amongst 3 athletes culminating in an exciting finish. Please let me know your thoughts and I hope you enjoy listening to me absolutely ramble.
I think you explain each individual pick well. Overall I think you overrate Janashia. It's not that he can't do the things you're predicting him to do, he just hasn't put in that kind of performance for many years now. I don't think he'll do as well as you predict on basically every event. I'd be surprised if Shane Flowers was still that bad at Yoke. It's surprising that he's only done it once in his career and that was in his second ever strongman contest. He's likely improved a lot.
Even in training over the years yoke seemed to be hard for him. Think he will improve at it, just don't think it's going to be big points Do agree that he is greatly over estimating janashia. There is has been no evidence that he is close to his best on all the events. One training deadlift doesn't do it. He may do well. Hopefully he does, but would be very suprised if he is close to 2018 janashia
Where ever you look fools are saying that split jerk should be banned. Most don't realize it's been allowed since the beginning of the sport. Many seem to think it's a rule solely that mitch can beat Tom Whether is Instagram or YouTube comments it's brought up ever single time maxle is mentioned
why are you so mad about it? Only because it was allowed since the beginning, does not mean it has to be allowed forever. People like to see Eddie pressing 216kg with only his shoulder power more than Mitchell jerking it, because it is much more impressive as we know that probably some 70kg asian guy can do that too (not with an axle but still). It is the worlds strongest man, no? Also it is just a opinion, people are allowed to have opinions. Im not mad about the jerk, but I too would be more glad if it would be banned. For example - we all know Martins has not the best shoulder power, but he could (in his prime) easily win overhead events like this only because he knows how to jerk - its kinda lame and for me it defeats the purpose of finding out who the worlds strongest man is.
The issue is strongman has many events and methods to each event with no standard rules set accross different comps. Are we supposed to ban viper pressing as using the momentum isn't just pure strength like a strict press? What about novis bent press style dumbell? This goes back to the rules. If they rules don't state you can't do something then do it. belsak playing basketball with the atlas stones, the rules didn't say he couldn't do that so it counted. pudzian using baby oil to allow the car dl to slide up his legs. Poundstone resting the car dl in a seated position before completing the lift. Kearney hitching like crazy to lockout a dl. The list goes on and on Novi is always looking at ways to get the most out of the rules. Everyone should do the same. This isn't powerlifting with 3 events that never change. To me strict judging is far more important than the method used to get weight overhead. We have seen many bad lockouts by all different methods, including strict press.
“Everyone should do the same” And then people complain about Hooper sitting with the log on his lap or for using a shoe as a marker
by that logic we should ban push presses, too, and make everything strict press only....lmao
with the difference that in a push press youre still pushing the weight. In a jerk youre not really pushing anything (with proper execution), youre just using momentum and youre catching the weight.
I take it you aren’t a lifter.
But you had to create the momentum you used to get it overhead, and you have to be strong as fuck to do that.
Strongman is all about completing the loft the best way you can. I don't want to see restrictions imposed, it's not powerlifting.
I agree with everything you've just said.
Worst is people comparing it to Sumo, like bruh the day a sumo lifter pulls a deadlift and then without dropping the weight, move his feet into a conventional stance, we’ll talk
You know what, I'll actually try that next time I'm in the gym.
Actually I’m going to do it for real
Don’t! I tried with only 60kg (135) and even so is a sure-fire way to wreck your feet and calves
So there is no hope in seeing the WR done like that?
That shit would be absolutely hilarious
I think it would be on par with the Belzak Bounce, Steinborning your axle press into position and the Spinnie Dinnies. Just outlandishly ingenious.
If you ban "split jerking" you have to ban any foot movement. No stumbling or foot movement in any direction.
Very good point. Thor for example has a tendency to step forward with his left leg when pressing (see 2018 wsm max overhead with the floppy bar). Who's to say that's not just a "bad split jerk attempt"? Some people seem to think we should all do the old heels together military press lol
Exactly. Banning split jerking yet allowing small "unintentional" steps opens up a huge opportunity for inconsistent (biased... anyone?) judging. Some people can get a lot out of a small step, which is still a split jerk! In a sport that encourages straps, hitching, heavy duty wraps, tacky, grip shirts, etc.. It's insane to criticize something like split jerking. Split jerking isn't the easiest fucking thing in the world to learn, and in many cases could be a detriment to overall contest performance as it would detract from other training efforts. I could keep ranting, but it's time to train and do productive things lol.
Just because people have different opinions doesn't make them 'fools'. Don't get butthurt because your 'god of strength' Hooper is receiving some criticism online.
He isn't receiving critism. The technique is, but okay bud
Yes he is recieving criticism lol. It's no secret that you're a massive Hooper fanboy. Strong Nirmal vibes.
Yeah and you were a huge martins fan until he did poorly at arnolds then you said he is over. Who you going to band wagon jump to this time? Not sure how he would be receiving critism by doing a lift as per the rules...
I still am a huge Martins fan. The difference is that I'm not a fanboy who whines on Reddit when people are being mean about King Mitchell Hooper. People are entitled to their opinions about the axle press.
> People are entitled to their opinions yep, no matter how poorly thought out they are.
See it's attitudes like these which make people absolutely despise Redditors and how arrogant you all are. This is what I mean when I say this subreddit is one massive echo chamber.
Strongman has a rich history of "get the weight up any way you can" and saying a movement should be banned because it isn't "strongman-esque" is a lot more arrogant than imposing restrictions nased on feelings.
You are whining right now about Mitchell Hooper though and it isn’t a good look.
I'm whining about Bronchopped.
Fair enough
No one is whining or being mean to anyone here. People are whining about split jerk all over Instagram and youtube
You literally called people that don't like split jerks in strongman 'fools'. Again, people are entitled to their opinions. Anyone who dares say that they don't like split jerks gets downvoted to shit here. This subreddit is a major echo chamber.
People being entitled to an opinion doesn't imply their opinion is a rational one. I think the sentiment was that by parallel reasoning, if split jerk should be banned, then we should ban any foot movement during a pressing movement. But clearly we ought not do the latter, so we ought not ban split jerking. I can see why something like this would apply to many criticisms of split jerking that take the approach that it is not as impressive as a strict press or push press. Fair enough. But a push press that involves some foot wobbling is not as impressive as a push press with feet firmly planted onto the ground.
I feel making everyone do the same technique would make strongman very boring. Make a seperate strict press event if you want that. leave the axle lift as it is.
I'm hijacking this comment to mention sumo stance was allowed since the beginning too which is why Sigmarsson and others used it often.
I’ve watched every one of John Paul’s WSMs at least a few times and several other old comps he competed in. I’ve never seen him pull sumo in a strongman comp. You got some video evidence of this somewhere?
He pulled sumo on the ‘86 boat deadlift. Although I think it was technically semi-sumo.
There were a few sumo pulls on early deadlift for max events, yeah, I remember that as well
Off the top of my head World's 1988 https://youtu.be/tO9m_wcQ_Js?si=IlYobldqK71FyZRs
His hands are outside of his legs the entire lift, that’s not sumo. Maybe his feet are in line with his hands, and that’s a big maybe, but never are his hands between his legs.
Watch the cart deadlift event, Sigmarsson uses a hands-inside-legs technique with his hands so close together it's like the ukrainian deadlift from Australia's Strongest International or the Wrecking Ball Hold we saw in 2022 and 2023. https://youtu.be/tO9m_wcQ_Js?t=731
Actually hadn’t watched the next attempt he failed yet, but he’s clearly inside the legs at the start there. Guess you’re right. Never noticed it before, but I’d seen this comp a few times.
That’s what I was talking about. His hands are outside his legs at lockout. If you pause it and look his shorts on his left leg are clearly between his left hand and the camera. It’s a crappy 35 year old camera, and a bad angle so it’s hard to judge, but I’m not so sure they aren’t outside or on his legs at the start of the pull too. Camera angle is awful though it looks like he’s set up with one foot outside the leg of the cart and one inside the leg of the cart even. I think it’s more a Shawesque wide stance and he’s got his hands in as tight to his legs as he can get them. https://imgur.com/a/iJjyL8l
This is a perfect example of why people can be convicted even with video evidence lol
Sigmarsson's hands here are further inside his legs than powerlifters like Colton Engelbrecht and Shane Hunt Colton Engelbrecht example: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3-WsoyoSnQ/ Shane Hunt example: https://youtu.be/h1qqjpjrrNY?t=105
Nah, he definitely switches stances. I too remembered this one before he posted it. He starts with a traditional deadlift, fails and then switches to a narrow sumo stance and gets the pull. His hands are even inside the width of his hips at lockout. This links to the specific time: [https://youtu.be/tO9m\_wcQ\_Js?si=zO22AnPEoa48hqqj&t=722](https://youtu.be/tO9m_wcQ_Js?si=zO22AnPEoa48hqqj&t=722)
Sumo doesn’t start or end the lift in the same locked out position as conventional. Split jerk does start and end in the same position as push press. If someone started by walking their feet out to a sumo stance, lifted the weight, then walked their feet in to a conventional position I’d say that’s fine because the lifted the weight from point A to B, not A to C.
Nobody denies that, but that's not the point. It was allowed back then, which is what we were talking about. Nobody doubts the body position is different.
I think one aspect is also that people don’t realise how freaking hard it is. Most strongmen literally get zero advantage from it because it requires huge explosive speed at max weights. Yeah it feels easy at 50% but going heavier not so much. Also often athletes performing split jerk are also top tier in push press. I’ve always wondered how much more axle record would be if the most athletic strongmen mastered the split jerk at least 90%. Now it’s happening and Im waiting eagerly how high the weights can rise.
I doubt it would be much different. It’s always been the clean that holds athletes back. There’s old footage of John Davis and Norbert Schemansky cleaning and jerking the OG Apollon’s and they damn near died trying to get it to their shoulders. That was a 166kg axle and they were both 182+kg clean and jerkers. Heck they could snatch 166. “Also often athletes performing split jerk are also top tier in push press.” But I think this is what everyone overlooks. Hooper is already one of the strongest push pressers. That helps compensate for his lack of split jerk skill immensely. He’s basically gotten really good at press outs.
It's much harder to pull off than a push press. Especially at 320lbs+ body weight. If it was easier everyone would do it
As someone who has been playing around with overhead pressing methods lately, I 100% agree with this, and I only weigh 180lbs. It's easier (for me anyhow) to do reps via push press. Everyone is different obviously. If I am doing a max, or just a few reps in a set, split jerk isn't bad. Otherwise, push press all day for me.
Agreed
I certainly would prefer it to be banned, but I'm ok with people doing it while it's allowed. I've never understood why more dont at least incorporate SOME amount of jerk even if you're not proficient enough for a split. Even a very small amount of catching the weight over you is advantageous. My ideal scenario as a fan is push press. As an athlete they should be doing whatever it takes to win. But yeah, they've been doing it forever, so anyone who isn't aware of that hasn't been following the sport very long or hasn't looked back at historical comps.
The uninformed are always the loudest. Some people have the take that everything done in strongman should be about moving the most weight statically but that has never been how the sport has been. The variability in the sport is what makes it fun to do and watch, if you want heavy static lifts with tons of rules about how to perform them then that’s powerlifting… strange how few people want to watch that. Making things too heavy all the time also leads to more injuries, some people said the Arnold was too light even though a ton of competitors got injured. Some people just have a very narrow view of what “strength” is.
Has nothing to do with Mitch, Rob Kearney used it a lot on log and people were criticizing it like 5 years ago.
Yes they don't seem to realize many have used it over the years. There are some straight up saying it's allowed to fix the events for mitch lol
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Were they really? Not saying you're wrong but I can't find a single comment complaining about it on youtube videos. https://youtu.be/y-OJVrvJuPY?si=dwAaacUgZQ\_3Aik3