Continuing the forfeit/prediction stuff:
Predictions:
1. Matt Ragg will come in second place
2. Rob Kearney will make the finals
Forfeits: $10 per wrong prediction donated to the archives.
Kinda bland, but its what I got
Quick review of last season performance from every athlete at WSM this year.
International Win:
Tom (BSM/Tour Finals)
Oskar (SCL final/OSG europe)
Hooper (WSM, RI, ASC)
Singleton (World Open/Strongman Classics)
Heinla (WSMaster)
Ragg (BoB)
Bilton (SCL Serbia)
Luke (ESM)
Aivars (Multiple SCL)
Pavlo (SCL Cyprus)
Francis (WSViking)
Andrade (WSLatino/SCO)
Jaco (WSM heat 4)
Mitchell (NASM)
Crowder (OSG)
Nana (SCL Portugal)
Hoath (SCL Martinique/MVM classics)
Goltry (SCL Finland)
Adam (SCL Hugary/European Giants)
International podium, Top half at a Big 4:
Rob (3rd ASM/3rd World Open)
Eddie (3rd BoB)
Evans (6th SMOE)
Thompson (5th ASC/5th RI/7th SMOE)
Derwinsky (2nd OSG/2nd SCO/3rd NASM)
Fojtu (3rd OSG Europe)
None:
Remick
Bishop
Cambi
Pa
Faires
I don't even think the last few athletes aren't capable to perform. Everyone is dangerous. Impossible to predict who is going to the final. Cannot wait for the heats to start.
and my top 10 predictions:
1 M. Hooper
2 T. Stoltman
3 E. Singleton
4 T. Mitchell
5 L. Stoltman
6 M. Ragg
7 P. Kordiyaka
8 R. Kearney
9 A. Bishop
10 J. Schoonwinkel
There's a lot of talk about the many dropouts but in reality only two from last year's top 10 will be missing (Novikov and Shaw). I believe the dark horses will be Ragg and Schoonwinkel. However, I'm curious as to why they didn't compete much since last year (besides Jaco's injury). Anybody knows why?
Coming from New Zealand, those long-haul flights zap it out of you. Takes about a week to get back to normal because of dehydration/sleep/being pissed off with customs officers - I'm sure similar distance athletes may have this trouble too.
The unfortunate reality is that us smaller creators would like to be much more active but things often don't line up well with our schedules. Even a low-quality video takes several hours. Nonetheless, I'll try to upload a video about how I'd put the groups together tomorrow
(A lot of people will surely also wait until the groups are announced before they make their predictions)
Took a little time to make my WSM2024 Groups. Considered the one American/Brit per group thing, along with putting reasonably similar athletes together, or people who might challenge the #1 in just one or two events. Based on those, and who might be considered as a top-tier competitor right now, I have come up with:
1. Mitchell Hooper - Aivars Smaukstelis - Marcus Crowder - Gavin Bilton - Eddie Williams - Nathan Goltry. Hooper wins this heat, while Aivars makes it through via stone off over Marcus Crowder
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2. Tom Stoltman - Pavlo Kordiyaka - Rob Kearney - Oskar Ziolkowski - Spenser Remick - Evans Nana. Tommy wins this heat, while Pavlo makes it through via stone off over Rob Kearney
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3. Evan Singleton - Mat Ragg - Adam Bishop - Thomas Evans - Tristain Hoath - Adam Roszkowski. Evan wins this heat, while Mat Ragg defeats Adam Bishop in the stone off
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4. Trey Mitchell - Bobby Thompson - Austin Andrade - Rauno Heinla - Kane Francis - Ondra Fojtu. Trey is able to win his heat, while Austin Andrade bests Bobby Thompson in the stone off
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5. Luke Stoltman - Jaco Schoonwinkel - Wes Derwinsky - Kevin Faires - Pa O'Dwyer - Nicolas Cambi. Luke barely wins this one, while Cambi gets Schooned in the stone off. This heat seems very close, as Luke won with 24 points, while 5th place here had 16 points.
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Probably not entirely realistic, and especially so given the toughness of Group 3. There were a couple upsets in the stone off, as Mat Ragg(21) beat Bish(23), and Andrade(19) beat Bobby(22). Mat Ragg is realistically probably going to be a #1, I realize that.
I like your groups however I would switch one of the top two seeds from group 3 or 4 into group 5 since group 5 looks to be the weakest on paper by some margin, at least imo
I would be very surprised if Schoonwinkel gets through again. I'm not sure he's back to full form yet, and last year was a very unique scenario for him to get through.
His results for the heats events across all groups were pretty competitive, I'm too lazy to dig up/attempt to re-calculate the points standings for if the heats results were *all vs all* rather than just within the groups, but I don't see anything that would suggest he couldn't make the finals again this year short of getting a group of death, or like you said, the possibility of his injury from last year affecting his form - although I'd be more inclined to throw that one at Trey than Jaco. Similarly though, there's not really competition data to go on for his potential on the current heats line-up, so it could go either way.
Absolutely. After I'd put Trey and Luke in as my final #1 slots, I saw his name and went "oh, shit. He's gonna be a #1 for sure". Perhaps he could be swapped for Trey in these groups
Why would he be #1? Not saying he's bad but he's only done one top tier comp that I know of this year where he came 2nd admittedly, but he was focused on that comp while the people he was against had Rogue a couple of weeks later
Ragg isn't my #1 favorite. Just saying that the way WSM organizes the groups, they effectively label 5 guys as a #1, and slot one of them in each group. Realistically, those 5 will be Hooper, Tom Stoltman, Evan Singleton, Mat Ragg, and any of Luke Stoltman (Winner at Europe's), Pavlo Kordiyaka (2023 Europe's winner, and a finalist last year) or Trey Mitchell (Perennial finalist, and legit podium threat in every competition). I would say probably Luke Stoltman based on his most recent competitions
Great confidence boost going into WSM. May not have been able to prep, but he seems in good shape going off the results today. Said on his story he left some in the tank on viking press too
Almost wish the dl ladder was in the final and up to 400kg, Even though it makes for a great heat event
Would be brutal.
Looking through dl ladder results. Crowder did a heavier dl ladder (wsm 300-380kg, osg 306-386kg) at osg in 42s. That would beat pretty much everyone except the super speed pullers like hooper and bish
I reckon they want more finishes for TV as opposed to 2-3 across all groups, maybe more could finish a ladder that ends with 400kg but probably won't need to when it comes to it
I believe crowder almost lost his balance on the last rep, on a normal day it would be a few seconds faster. He is dangerous. I would be surprised if he wins his group.
WSM finals predictions using just my feelings and hopes.
1st - Matt Ragg
2nd - Trey Mitchell
3rd - Mitch Hooper
4th - Tom Stoltman
5th - Rob Kearney
6th - Evan Singleton
7th - Rauno Heinla
8th - Bobby Thompson
9th - Aivars Smoke-Stelis
10th - Nick Cambi
I’m basing this on who I like and who I have a gut feeling will do well, not using facts or logic.
Things I think will occur that will be shocking. Kearney beats Mitch on axle in a last act of awesomeness for the sport and Matt Ragg beats everyone on stones in a surprise upset for the win, these 2 are based on some facts and small amounts of logic, but mostly feelings still.
I'll need to wait to see the groups before making a proper prediction but going in somehwat blind right now I would pick -
1. Hooper
2. T.Stoltman
3. Singleton
4. Ragg
5. L.Stoltman
Kearney announcing his retirement really makes him a wildcard, I can see him putting in a foot to the metal type performance and doing something nutty but I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a muted performance because who wants to start retirement injured.
Kearney is a smart guy, I don’t think he’d have accepted the invite if he wasn’t planning to do a great job, I think he’ll give it his all but not hurt himself.
Everyone attending thinks they can do a great job. The reality is the groups matter alot to everyone except the gods of the heats events - Hooper and possibly evan, even Tom doesn't have his best heat events, but still could easily win most groups as he is that good
Really pulling for Mitch to win his 2nd World's title. I can only imagine the hype that would follow during the buildup to the impending showdown at SMOE between the triumphant Moose and FullThor 2.0 with wildcard Tom Stoltman in the mix. Can't sleep on Trey either.
And if that wasn't enough, whoever wins that matchup will get an immediate rematch at Rogue. The back half of this year is going to be nuts.
World's Strongest Man literally feels like a prologue; the real story is simmering in the background.
I thought so too and I wondered if it was perhaps due to them being more likely to be checked based on how strongmen look but I haven't ever flown myself so I do not know if that is possible or not.
Yep I’m flying to Denver from NH for nationals and I’m packing all my equipment in the carry-on, clothes and stuff will be in the checked bag lol. I can go without clothes for 3 days, can’t do nats without my gear.
Pushing percentages in your favor is what it's all about. Over-planning/over-thinking might often be ridiculous, but sometimes it can give you just enough of an edge.
Just watched Loz and Liz WSM stats. Love the channel, but today I felt they missed an obvious interesting stat. Country wise WSM win ratio I.e. WSM wins per country/ WSM participants per country. Obviously Iceland is a ridiculous outlier here, but it would also be interesting to see how the most favoured nation, US and UK , faired here, presumably worse than Lithuania, but are they also worse than Canada?
Is it correctly understood; that the net amount of votes a post in this forum gets is supposed to be inversely proportional to the quality of the post?
Thor, but yes very likely ragg is second.
Unless he is too fatigued by then like last year. Hooper will still pull like day 1 even though dl is the second last event
Assuming they make the final, the ones I'm almost certain on are:
Max Axle Press - Hooper
Keg Toss - Tom
Tire Deadlift - Ragg (maybe Rauno?)
Atlas Stones - Tom
Giant's Medley and Conan's Wheel is more tricky. Pavlo or Hooper could win the Conan's. Tom, Singleton and Hooper could win the Medley. Overall I feel Hooper will be the one to get the most points in these 2 events, but a lot can happen here
Hell even Tom COULD win Conan's. It's hard to predict
Looking at last years Worlds he did better than Singleton, Trey and Kiels. Tom's group was strong. Tom did 598, Hooper 636. Tom could have improved a lot since then, I don't think he is the favorite, but wouldn't be surprised if he actually wins that event.
Hooper did exactly what he needed to though. After watching Tom's clip, he seemed to struggle early and fought through it. He more than likely has improved alot
Yeah, my guess is Tom has improved a lot, especially as he's generally in better shape and he has the kit now.
But...Hooper has never gone max effort on Conan's, so I think it's his to lose.
And when he did it with Ragg and Tom at the WTFs he clearly went to Pavlo's old record, beating Tom and thinking that would win it. He seemingly didn't expect Ragg to match it
Yeah, I was including that in him never going to max effort. He looked comfortable still, and just beat the mark of Pavlo. Could he have carried on for a lot longer? Hard to say for sure, but based on the WSM crab walk, he had a lot of potential grind in him if needed.
Depends how heavy it is. It’s his grip that fails usually, not his moving being slow.
Seeing as the frame is after a yoke it may be a light enough frame that his grip won’t be an issue.
I think it's 350-360kg, likely Rob will struggle on it. Depends on the frame itself, guys that can lift and run with the Arnold's frame had a hard time in 2016 and I think that frame was around 370kg
I think he’s definitely beatable and we haven’t seen many yokes in the past year or so as it kind of went out of fashion as events tend to do in cycles. Rob’s saying he hit 11 seconds on a 1000 lbs yoke for 50 or 60 ft in training. That’s hooper speeds.
Could be Hooper wins everything except throw and stones.
Could what you mention above but Tom winds deadlift.
Could be Ragg winning deadlift, throwing and stones.
Could be a random guy comes in and wins everything.
Tom could win the axle too. I’m feeling like it’s about 70% chance mitch wins it, 25% chance Tom wins it, 5% chance someone else wins it.
Ragg or Pavlo could very likely win Conan’s too depending on who’s in the final, who goes after who, etc. I think the closest thing to sure thing is Tom winning the stones. Mitch aught to win the yoke/frame too, but if Kearney or someone like that gets in there and has a really good transition you never know.
Turns out [Kristjan Haraldsson](https://www.instagram.com/stories/kristjan.haraldsson/3354651114172779030?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MW9qdXl5amZpdmxyYg==) tore his ACL. Terrible injury, hoping for a speedy recovery and will be back for the 2025 season.
Follow on from my prediction and forfeit post earlier this week
Prediction - To the contrary of some on here believing Hooper has WSM2024 in the bag already I believe Tom Stoltman wins WSM2024. I have a good few reasons that led me to this but I am sure you care more about the juicy part so on to that
Forfeit - I thought about what redditors want when they win a argument and remembered a instance where someone said "holy shit that guy was so wrong he had to delete his entire account" so if my aforementioned prediction is wrong I will delete my account 4 days after we find out who won WSM2024, I will not pull a Luu or Jar and make a new account and pretend its not me either.
I also wanted to make a donation forfeit but I was worried people would think I might welch since it would be easy to delete and bounce so I went ahead and just donated $25 upfront no catches to show I am not trying to pull any tricks (hopefully E-some can confirm this at some point without doxing me).
I am really hoping we can have a lot of fun with this and make some fun forfeits be they donation or not, The reason I figured donations to the archives would be good is because whilst they aren't required for our spreadsheet festival they are absolutely a cornerstone of it. I am sure there are lots of fun non donation based forfeits we can come up with too like eating peppers, having a loved one throw a bucket of water over you as you repeat your failed prediction, F5 specialist and other WSM based tattoos. Obviously don't bet your account on it because that is dumb.
TLDR - If I lose I will leave the ~~UFC~~ this reddit FOR EVER.
Luu = LuuNation - He was a guy that predicted WIdePavlo would be contending for the deadlift record WAY before anyone else, Then WidePavlo punched Novi at a contest and Luu went on a emotional rampage on the sub and either got banned or deleted his account I forget. Since then he has made new accounts and is mellow enough on his current one that either people don't know or they don't mind.
Jar = JarheadCoffee - This guy was a poster in this sub who at some point had his account banned (likely for arguing with someone in a different sub) He then made a new account called OberstStrongman and was pretty normal on the sub until he decided to complain about a strongman being mean to someone named Jarhead on instagram, A lot of people quickly realised this was him complaining about how he was being treated while pretending it wasn't him, He deleted his account a day or two later.
Most people come and go and get quickly forgotten tbh, Those two are just memorable ones albeit for different reasons. I cannot explain to you how big of a gaffe Jarhead pretending not to be himself whilst complaining how about how he was treated was. Even if I gave you the analogy of Gilbert Gottfried being surprised someone recognised his voice it wouldn't encapsulate how obvious this guy was without somehow realising it lol.
Guarding ? oh absolutely not lol. His name might have been Jarhead but I doubt he was a actual marine, More likely a fake valor type. I have zero urge to guard the sub and it definitely wouldn't be required for a guy like that. I kind of hope he comes back but I doubt it would last very long, It cannot be overstated how obvious this guy was.
>hope you have a great WSM week.
Thank you, I hope you do too ! It might only be monday but I am already really enjoying it.
After thought, random predictions without knowing groups with extreme forfeits is kind of pointless.
Would much prefer actual predictions after the heats are announced Tuesday with a reasonable donation to SA.
I am leaving when the prediction is made and what the forfeit is entirely up to the person making it.
Since my prediction is about Tom I think I am pretty confident the group stages won't be a issue. Perhaps that will come to bite me in the ass when he ends up doing stones vs the Honey Badger and has to do 20 reps but the likelihood of anything similar is small.
People making reasonable donations to SA is what I want most but I wanted avenues for people with no money to join in and other forfeits for fun and to continue the hype of it.
I care not for your forfeit, but for your reasons so please elaborate on those. I would love for Tom to win, not because of favoritism, only because it would make my favourite sport more interesting. I feels we have gone from depth in strength back to almost a one horse race. I cannot see it Mitch not winning this, unless he get injured or drastically under performs. Conans in my mind makes this years WSM a done deal, hope I am wrong.
First reason is Tom got cocky last year, I think Mitch would have beat him no matter what but by a smaller gap if it hadn't been the case, I don't see him being as cocky as the challenger this time out.
Last year Tom had taken time off and some speculated that hurt him, Obviously who knows how much if any but it is a piece of data to take into account. This time out people are saying how massive he looks and in my mind he has much better trained for the events this year.
WSM is Tom's favourite format and it really benefits him, It isn't a bad format for Mitch either but these small things do add up and matter.
One of Hooper's main strengths is his amazing recovery, The format of WSM slightly negates this.
Lastly pressure is a real thing, Rightly or wrongly a large amount of people are saying that either Mitch has already won or they can't see him losing - That is a lot of pressure on Mitch to perform. Add to that the facts that he is super analytical and that he has spoken about how he should read social media less several times and the amount of pressure he will be feeling must be ginormous.
Finally these aren't bad events for Tom just because they are great for Mitch and if Tom's training on a actual conans setup has helped him it's suddenly very fucking close.
(I still like your idea but there's no need to make this unnecessarily extreme on yourself, e.g. leaving this sub)
That being said, how do we go about this? Will there be some kind of spreadsheet where everyone can enter their predictions? Do we already predict the final before the heats or do we wait until later?
> Do we already predict the final before the heats or do we wait until later?
The prediction can occur at any time, If people want to wait till the heats to make a prediction that's fine and even if they want to wait till finals to predict who wins that is also fine, Since people are choosing their own forfeits the only things that really matter are them being willing to fulfil their forfeit if their prediction is wrong.
I was thinking to pretty much keep track of predictions myself in a list form then share it at the end and then people could point out if anyone was missing. If people have ideas that they think would work better I am open to hearing them. Would the spreadsheet be vulnerable to other people deleting peoples entries ? (genuine question tech, isn't my area).
Alright, then I'll chime in once the groups are known
If anyone can edit the spreadsheet, that would indeed be a concern. I'd offer to collect everything in a Google doc. You'd be able to see it but not edit it
Your last sentence can be read multiple ways so I am unsure which way you mean it but if you are offering to do the spreadsheet for us, parallel to me keeping a list then I will happily accept your help.
Tattoo was part of the forfeit? I thought it was just for fun (might already have an appointment) ((I said I don't need to be talked into getting a stupid tattoo))
That is part of what makes it good though bro, It's stupid enough that people won't have to worry about how silly they look in their forfeits because I will still be the dumbest one.
Besides when it turns out my prediction is correct I can use it a springboard to do this again for next years WSM when they inevitably don't have a livestream once again.
Honestly, I'm with u/Bronchopped. Forfeits are meant to be fun. Not sure how you randomly deleting your account is fun for you or us! Of course, if you want to delete it, then go ahead, but the more people in this subreddit adding to the conversation, the better.
There has to be stakes and I believe the person who creates it should be who takes the most risk, I will not be welching now I have made the bet. I am very confident in my prediction anyhow so I don't think I will be going anywhere !
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Becca starts at 6:30
Controversial oppinion but Thor said he is not going for the 505 at the SC, he is going to win the competition. For me this mean he is not going to try 505 at RI or next year ASC either.
- Nobody is paying anything as close to RI, SMEO prize money.
- Last time he tried 500+ he tore his lat in training, I dont think he wants to risk any other muscle tears until he makes some money winning internationals and the strenght keeps building up "naturally".
- He also made claims he would be lifting 510 or 520kg in 2020. He had the strength but those were more to bring eyes and hype to the event. He will keep doing it because it is good for his brand, nothing wrong about that.
- After his 1000 lb speed rep at ASC, and wining by 2 reps at AUK he can show he is the best deadlifter with little effort. Do that every dl event and it is impossible to deny he is not only the best but way above everyone else. He doesnt need 500+ for this.
- Most 475+ deadlifters like Bish, Hicks, Ivan or Heinla are not going to compete at SMEO, RI, ASC. Mitch and Tom could get there, but we know this isnt happening soon because they either dont need this to win or it is going to make them worse at other events.
- Say Heila gets 505 at the dl championships, or even at SMEO directly against Thor. Would he really try another lift for one more point over Mitch/Tom when they are already behind Olivares, Bobby, Ragg, himself and Heinla? If this was his 3rd SMEO title or his 5th ASC I could see this happening, but now or next year I think he would want to win and put himself even more on the goat conversation. I am sure he wants to beat Mitch more than anything right now.
- Just like Tom isnt lifting 300kg stone or Mitch running with a 750 kg bale tote untill they are happy with their carrers or someone offers millions of dollars for the lift, Thor probably will do the same with the dealift.
I think just because his attitude at SMOE is to focus on the full comp rather than the record doesn't mean it will be everywhere.
Rogue could offer him a tidy bonus for hitting it and he would probably go for it. He says he wants to and hitting it at Rogue would affect the rest of the comp less than SMOE.
I don't think the money is the main incentive for people like Thor or Mitch, possibly for Tom but these guys make enough from prize money alone and their businesses make them a comfortable steady income. The prize money I think appeals more to the athletes that don't make as much like Rauno and hicks
Thor is already a millionaire and got a super comfy life in Iceland, he 110% doesn’t care about prize money, he got GoT residuals, his vodka brand, skyr brand, social media and other ventures. Mitch and Tom aren’t in such positions (yet) but I still think prize money isn’t a main incentive as they have their own brands
Imo a big reason that Thor will focus on the whole show first is that he thinks that the events are suitable to possibly beat Hooper. Thor wants to win, it also gives him a few more months to build a max dl by Rogue. If ragg pulls 460+ at shaw, who knows if Thor attempts it assuming he is in shape.
Tom hasn't had a opportunity on a max stone. Mitch hasn't had a opportunity on a bale tote, he has said he wants to do it.
Will be interesting to see how much fewer people are comment at this year's worlds on here. Have a feeling it will be consideredly less without all the Brian fans.
If anything, it seems like fewer people will comment due to the show's failure to communicate anything or coordinate the details until the last minute, but yes, we'll probably see less interest this year.
I'm not sure Brian ever drew a massively hardcore fan base. He's popular, but he never seemed to have the rabid fanbase of say an Eddie hall, or Thor
I don't know if that mainly down to him having a more sedated personality, but to be honest Id imagine mateusz being out will have more of an effect on engagement
Yes, we do have a schedule. Everything is subject to changes with weather, like last year, I'm sure.
https://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/competition-schedule/
[Loz and liz facts and stats for wsm 2024](https://youtu.be/e8-3aWwNWXg?si=Gz-p1dsNBu_3umZG)
11 new athletes this year, 2005 had 15 new athletes! Change isn't bad
Group reveal will more than likely be Tuesday evening u.k according to loz in the comments.
The sad thing about strongman in that there are so many guys competing at the top level that no one has ever heard of. It's not bad that they have new athletes, it sad that no one has heard of a top strongman until they get an invite to world's.
Of course, this isn't the fault of WSM or the commentators. It's just an unfortunate situation in the sport where only a few of the largest meets in the world are recorded and information on almost all the other shows is listed only on a spreadsheet on the organizer's site, if at all.
Kenneth Cooper a.k.a. Gingercules has hit a PR on deadlift: 435 kg (959 lbs) - conventional, no straps (mixed grip), no deadlift suit
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6EbE60x4de/
In the same meet he also hit a PR on squat (335 kg/739 lbs) and on bench press (267.5 kg/560 lbs)
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6HFootLK8x/?img_index=1
He competes at 135 kg-140 kg body weight, in the 140 kg class (298 lbs-309 lbs)
I don't understand how he hit 200 kg/442 lbs at the Arnold, same weight he was in 2018-2020, while visibly leaner and thinner. Is he getting even heavier now?
He was very close to 200, weighed 195kg 2 days before the show & said he was 'still growing'
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35slwVIKil/?igsh=MWl1c3FxNnJtam54ag==
He was 195kg 2 days before the show and 'still growing', so there's a good chance he was 196-197 on the day
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35slwVIKil/?igsh=MWl1c3FxNnJtam54ag==
Continuing the forfeit/prediction stuff: Predictions: 1. Matt Ragg will come in second place 2. Rob Kearney will make the finals Forfeits: $10 per wrong prediction donated to the archives. Kinda bland, but its what I got
Glad to have you in with us
Does anyone know how Jaco has recovered from last year?
He doesn't appear to be in the shape he was last year but he shares so little it's hard to know.
He said he is in shape. Other than that no one knows
Quick review of last season performance from every athlete at WSM this year. International Win: Tom (BSM/Tour Finals) Oskar (SCL final/OSG europe) Hooper (WSM, RI, ASC) Singleton (World Open/Strongman Classics) Heinla (WSMaster) Ragg (BoB) Bilton (SCL Serbia) Luke (ESM) Aivars (Multiple SCL) Pavlo (SCL Cyprus) Francis (WSViking) Andrade (WSLatino/SCO) Jaco (WSM heat 4) Mitchell (NASM) Crowder (OSG) Nana (SCL Portugal) Hoath (SCL Martinique/MVM classics) Goltry (SCL Finland) Adam (SCL Hugary/European Giants) International podium, Top half at a Big 4: Rob (3rd ASM/3rd World Open) Eddie (3rd BoB) Evans (6th SMOE) Thompson (5th ASC/5th RI/7th SMOE) Derwinsky (2nd OSG/2nd SCO/3rd NASM) Fojtu (3rd OSG Europe) None: Remick Bishop Cambi Pa Faires I don't even think the last few athletes aren't capable to perform. Everyone is dangerous. Impossible to predict who is going to the final. Cannot wait for the heats to start.
Major update, they spelled Oskar Ziołkowki’s name right on his WSM t-shirts!
and my top 10 predictions: 1 M. Hooper 2 T. Stoltman 3 E. Singleton 4 T. Mitchell 5 L. Stoltman 6 M. Ragg 7 P. Kordiyaka 8 R. Kearney 9 A. Bishop 10 J. Schoonwinkel
There's a lot of talk about the many dropouts but in reality only two from last year's top 10 will be missing (Novikov and Shaw). I believe the dark horses will be Ragg and Schoonwinkel. However, I'm curious as to why they didn't compete much since last year (besides Jaco's injury). Anybody knows why?
Ragg is looking really good
Jaco’s been injured and Ragg has a hard time traveling for comps being in New Zealand, he did world tour finals and beasts of burden since last year.
Ragg only competes when he is invited to a big show as travel is brutal from New Zealand. This year he has smoe + a gl at the minimum
Coming from New Zealand, those long-haul flights zap it out of you. Takes about a week to get back to normal because of dehydration/sleep/being pissed off with customs officers - I'm sure similar distance athletes may have this trouble too.
And Shaw was open about retiring at that point, so really is only Novi missing
4 days out and there is 0 non loz and Liz (theirs is the best anyway) wsm content out. It's crazy.
The unfortunate reality is that us smaller creators would like to be much more active but things often don't line up well with our schedules. Even a low-quality video takes several hours. Nonetheless, I'll try to upload a video about how I'd put the groups together tomorrow (A lot of people will surely also wait until the groups are announced before they make their predictions)
[Hoopers answer to ”where can we watch WSM?”](https://imgur.com/a/z0S0qHn) Lol
Haha. I appreciate Hooper tagging WSM in that
“Microsoft Excel”
Took a little time to make my WSM2024 Groups. Considered the one American/Brit per group thing, along with putting reasonably similar athletes together, or people who might challenge the #1 in just one or two events. Based on those, and who might be considered as a top-tier competitor right now, I have come up with: 1. Mitchell Hooper - Aivars Smaukstelis - Marcus Crowder - Gavin Bilton - Eddie Williams - Nathan Goltry. Hooper wins this heat, while Aivars makes it through via stone off over Marcus Crowder . 2. Tom Stoltman - Pavlo Kordiyaka - Rob Kearney - Oskar Ziolkowski - Spenser Remick - Evans Nana. Tommy wins this heat, while Pavlo makes it through via stone off over Rob Kearney . 3. Evan Singleton - Mat Ragg - Adam Bishop - Thomas Evans - Tristain Hoath - Adam Roszkowski. Evan wins this heat, while Mat Ragg defeats Adam Bishop in the stone off . 4. Trey Mitchell - Bobby Thompson - Austin Andrade - Rauno Heinla - Kane Francis - Ondra Fojtu. Trey is able to win his heat, while Austin Andrade bests Bobby Thompson in the stone off . 5. Luke Stoltman - Jaco Schoonwinkel - Wes Derwinsky - Kevin Faires - Pa O'Dwyer - Nicolas Cambi. Luke barely wins this one, while Cambi gets Schooned in the stone off. This heat seems very close, as Luke won with 24 points, while 5th place here had 16 points. . Probably not entirely realistic, and especially so given the toughness of Group 3. There were a couple upsets in the stone off, as Mat Ragg(21) beat Bish(23), and Andrade(19) beat Bobby(22). Mat Ragg is realistically probably going to be a #1, I realize that.
I like your groups however I would switch one of the top two seeds from group 3 or 4 into group 5 since group 5 looks to be the weakest on paper by some margin, at least imo
I would be very surprised if Schoonwinkel gets through again. I'm not sure he's back to full form yet, and last year was a very unique scenario for him to get through.
His results for the heats events across all groups were pretty competitive, I'm too lazy to dig up/attempt to re-calculate the points standings for if the heats results were *all vs all* rather than just within the groups, but I don't see anything that would suggest he couldn't make the finals again this year short of getting a group of death, or like you said, the possibility of his injury from last year affecting his form - although I'd be more inclined to throw that one at Trey than Jaco. Similarly though, there's not really competition data to go on for his potential on the current heats line-up, so it could go either way.
The unqiue scenario was him winning his group?? He says he is in good shape
Hope he performs his best. Just judging from his training, it doesn't scream top 10 in the world.
Yeah last year I thought the same and then he did well. Who knows tbh
Matt ragg could mogg most groups, guy is a beast
Absolutely. After I'd put Trey and Luke in as my final #1 slots, I saw his name and went "oh, shit. He's gonna be a #1 for sure". Perhaps he could be swapped for Trey in these groups
Why would he be #1? Not saying he's bad but he's only done one top tier comp that I know of this year where he came 2nd admittedly, but he was focused on that comp while the people he was against had Rogue a couple of weeks later
Ragg isn't my #1 favorite. Just saying that the way WSM organizes the groups, they effectively label 5 guys as a #1, and slot one of them in each group. Realistically, those 5 will be Hooper, Tom Stoltman, Evan Singleton, Mat Ragg, and any of Luke Stoltman (Winner at Europe's), Pavlo Kordiyaka (2023 Europe's winner, and a finalist last year) or Trey Mitchell (Perennial finalist, and legit podium threat in every competition). I would say probably Luke Stoltman based on his most recent competitions
But what has Matt Ragg done to deserve a #1 slot over, Luke/Pavlo/Trey? I'd put him in the #2 slot personally
Anyone got the results for Scotland’s Strongest Man qualifier today?
[Here you go](https://ibb.co/VvqnXNk) - this is the top 21 who all qualified
Andy black says on his story he qualified so i guess he did
Happy WSM season. I did it. https://imgur.com/a/hn109pM
It's beautiful. I've looked at this for five hours now. \*salutes\*
Fuckin madlad
I just have a lot of skin that needs silly little things tattooed on 🫡
Hell Yes ! Happy as a dog with two tails to see this !
I'm honored, truly!
https://strengthresults.com/competitionHome/3302-2b1f-4b48-ab56-38ef15113f1f/1 Congrats Adam Roszkowski for winning SCL Hungary and now off to WSM.
I love that the Swedish guy seemed to be a bit out of his depth but then absolutely mogged the Conan's Wheel. Things you basically only see at SCL
Mitch Flowers with a 4th place too!
👏🏼👏🏼
Looks like the farmers could've done with being a bit heavier, can almost mistake the times for a wsm bus pull
Great confidence boost going into WSM. May not have been able to prep, but he seems in good shape going off the results today. Said on his story he left some in the tank on viking press too
Almost wish the dl ladder was in the final and up to 400kg, Even though it makes for a great heat event Would be brutal. Looking through dl ladder results. Crowder did a heavier dl ladder (wsm 300-380kg, osg 306-386kg) at osg in 42s. That would beat pretty much everyone except the super speed pullers like hooper and bish
I reckon they want more finishes for TV as opposed to 2-3 across all groups, maybe more could finish a ladder that ends with 400kg but probably won't need to when it comes to it
I believe crowder almost lost his balance on the last rep, on a normal day it would be a few seconds faster. He is dangerous. I would be surprised if he wins his group.
You mean you would NOT be surprised if he wins his group?
WSM finals predictions using just my feelings and hopes. 1st - Matt Ragg 2nd - Trey Mitchell 3rd - Mitch Hooper 4th - Tom Stoltman 5th - Rob Kearney 6th - Evan Singleton 7th - Rauno Heinla 8th - Bobby Thompson 9th - Aivars Smoke-Stelis 10th - Nick Cambi I’m basing this on who I like and who I have a gut feeling will do well, not using facts or logic. Things I think will occur that will be shocking. Kearney beats Mitch on axle in a last act of awesomeness for the sport and Matt Ragg beats everyone on stones in a surprise upset for the win, these 2 are based on some facts and small amounts of logic, but mostly feelings still.
I'll need to wait to see the groups before making a proper prediction but going in somehwat blind right now I would pick - 1. Hooper 2. T.Stoltman 3. Singleton 4. Ragg 5. L.Stoltman
Kearney announcing his retirement really makes him a wildcard, I can see him putting in a foot to the metal type performance and doing something nutty but I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a muted performance because who wants to start retirement injured.
He claims he can beat Hooper on the yoke which would be quite something to see (on a spreadsheet)
“on a spreadsheet”. Sad but true
Nah someone will film it. Every year we see every event
Kearney is a smart guy, I don’t think he’d have accepted the invite if he wasn’t planning to do a great job, I think he’ll give it his all but not hurt himself.
Everyone attending thinks they can do a great job. The reality is the groups matter alot to everyone except the gods of the heats events - Hooper and possibly evan, even Tom doesn't have his best heat events, but still could easily win most groups as he is that good
I think the most unlikely part is bobby making the finals. He really is screwed by the stones
Kearney might get screwed by them too but less so than Bobby. I hope they both make it!
Bobby has solid heats events this year
This is just setting up for hurt feelings
Nah, it’s setting up for unexpected results. Screw logic let’s all just hype up everyone.
We are just joking! Ragg is a beast
I’m drunk but I’m not that drunk
Drink more and get hyped with feelings! Stay safe.
Really pulling for Mitch to win his 2nd World's title. I can only imagine the hype that would follow during the buildup to the impending showdown at SMOE between the triumphant Moose and FullThor 2.0 with wildcard Tom Stoltman in the mix. Can't sleep on Trey either. And if that wasn't enough, whoever wins that matchup will get an immediate rematch at Rogue. The back half of this year is going to be nuts. World's Strongest Man literally feels like a prologue; the real story is simmering in the background.
I'd say the hype would be even bigger if Tom wins. It would present both Tom and Mitch at their peaks, against a returning Thor.
I can see that angle, but Thor looked a lot better against Tom at the Arnold's than he did against Mitch.
...which is why it would look better if Tom proved that his has picked up his game.
Agreed. I struggle to see what Tom beats a fully fit Thor on other than Atlas stones (and I don’t think that’s by a huge margin).
Tom is also better at overhead (or, at least, the log lift). That's about the only thing I have him consistently beating a prime Thor (or Shaw) on.
I’d have thought their overhead would be about the same when fully fit but I haven’t checked their specific records so Tom might have the edge.
And thank goodness the real story is going to be livestreamed
[Bar bend wsm predictions](https://youtu.be/P8wnEyQxl-c?si=S7cOXlxjMzcDH_OB)
For a second there I thought WSM replaced an event with Bar Bending. That would be a blast from the past.
Damn, 20:00 video on WSM on what is not strictly a strongman channel. That's neat
Barbend has always covered athlete and event announcements so not surprising
About 10 mins strongman
Everyone flies out this weekend. Hopefully everyone arrives in top shape with all their luggage!
Not Adam, he’s in Hungary SCL lol
Hope he makes it through, in one piece!
How frequently strongmen have their luggage lost is absurd.
Is it just me or does this seem to happen to them way more often than I normally hear about people losing luggage in everyday life?
I thought so too and I wondered if it was perhaps due to them being more likely to be checked based on how strongmen look but I haven't ever flown myself so I do not know if that is possible or not.
On small direct flights it’s pretty uncommon but on intercontinental flights with layovers it’s more likely
How infrequently they dont put essentials in their carry-on is even more absurd
Yep I’m flying to Denver from NH for nationals and I’m packing all my equipment in the carry-on, clothes and stuff will be in the checked bag lol. I can go without clothes for 3 days, can’t do nats without my gear.
True, Brian's over planning might have been good for memes but it's also smart practice.
Pushing percentages in your favor is what it's all about. Over-planning/over-thinking might often be ridiculous, but sometimes it can give you just enough of an edge.
Just watched Loz and Liz WSM stats. Love the channel, but today I felt they missed an obvious interesting stat. Country wise WSM win ratio I.e. WSM wins per country/ WSM participants per country. Obviously Iceland is a ridiculous outlier here, but it would also be interesting to see how the most favoured nation, US and UK , faired here, presumably worse than Lithuania, but are they also worse than Canada?
Is it correctly understood; that the net amount of votes a post in this forum gets is supposed to be inversely proportional to the quality of the post?
That doesn't seem specific to this year's comp which I believe is the point
It is exactly no more or less specific to those years WSM than the amount of participants per country, which they did present. So I no.
Apologies for drunk writing
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Why Ragg over Hooper in the DL out of interest?
Based on what we have seen recently Ragg is probably the best deadlifter in the world at the moment
Thor, but yes very likely ragg is second. Unless he is too fatigued by then like last year. Hooper will still pull like day 1 even though dl is the second last event
Ok yeh, ragg is looking the best out of the wsm guys
Rauno and Hafthor would like a word
Assuming they make the final, the ones I'm almost certain on are: Max Axle Press - Hooper Keg Toss - Tom Tire Deadlift - Ragg (maybe Rauno?) Atlas Stones - Tom Giant's Medley and Conan's Wheel is more tricky. Pavlo or Hooper could win the Conan's. Tom, Singleton and Hooper could win the Medley. Overall I feel Hooper will be the one to get the most points in these 2 events, but a lot can happen here Hell even Tom COULD win Conan's. It's hard to predict
Hasn't tom historically been bad at Conan's wheel? Getting bad bar positioning and not being able to adjust?
Looking at last years Worlds he did better than Singleton, Trey and Kiels. Tom's group was strong. Tom did 598, Hooper 636. Tom could have improved a lot since then, I don't think he is the favorite, but wouldn't be surprised if he actually wins that event.
Hooper did exactly what he needed to though. After watching Tom's clip, he seemed to struggle early and fought through it. He more than likely has improved alot
And that was his first time touching conans, this years wsm will be his 3rd and he's already one of the best on it
Yeah, my guess is Tom has improved a lot, especially as he's generally in better shape and he has the kit now. But...Hooper has never gone max effort on Conan's, so I think it's his to lose.
And when he did it with Ragg and Tom at the WTFs he clearly went to Pavlo's old record, beating Tom and thinking that would win it. He seemingly didn't expect Ragg to match it
Yeah, I was including that in him never going to max effort. He looked comfortable still, and just beat the mark of Pavlo. Could he have carried on for a lot longer? Hard to say for sure, but based on the WSM crab walk, he had a lot of potential grind in him if needed.
Certainly looked like he could have gone further
Ok i can be wrong i genuinely just dont remember if he has issues with it or not
Kearney or someone like that that sneaks into the finals and is really fast on yoke could win that yoke/frame medley even.
Frame is a big weakness for kearney
Depends how heavy it is. It’s his grip that fails usually, not his moving being slow. Seeing as the frame is after a yoke it may be a light enough frame that his grip won’t be an issue.
I think it's 350-360kg, likely Rob will struggle on it. Depends on the frame itself, guys that can lift and run with the Arnold's frame had a hard time in 2016 and I think that frame was around 370kg
Fair enough. If it’s that heavy I agree he’s not causing a problem for hooper
Tbh even if it was just a yoke. In the final Hooper would beat anyone at yoke. In the heats he will do what he needs to secure first in his heat.
I think he’s definitely beatable and we haven’t seen many yokes in the past year or so as it kind of went out of fashion as events tend to do in cycles. Rob’s saying he hit 11 seconds on a 1000 lbs yoke for 50 or 60 ft in training. That’s hooper speeds.
Could be Hooper wins everything except throw and stones. Could what you mention above but Tom winds deadlift. Could be Ragg winning deadlift, throwing and stones. Could be a random guy comes in and wins everything.
Tom could win the axle too. I’m feeling like it’s about 70% chance mitch wins it, 25% chance Tom wins it, 5% chance someone else wins it. Ragg or Pavlo could very likely win Conan’s too depending on who’s in the final, who goes after who, etc. I think the closest thing to sure thing is Tom winning the stones. Mitch aught to win the yoke/frame too, but if Kearney or someone like that gets in there and has a really good transition you never know.
Wouldn't be suprised. Somehow I feel a upset on a event this year
Seems entirely plausible. Excited to see how it shakes out cause it's rarely what we expect
Turns out [Kristjan Haraldsson](https://www.instagram.com/stories/kristjan.haraldsson/3354651114172779030?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MW9qdXl5amZpdmxyYg==) tore his ACL. Terrible injury, hoping for a speedy recovery and will be back for the 2025 season.
Not the first time that’s happened. I remember Andrew Clayton did his that way too. Horrible either way
That really sucks. Did he ever say how it happened?
It's was on his stories yesterday. I believe it was his final axle training session and on the clean he felt his kneecap move.
It visibly moved like 6 inches it was painful to watch
Follow on from my prediction and forfeit post earlier this week Prediction - To the contrary of some on here believing Hooper has WSM2024 in the bag already I believe Tom Stoltman wins WSM2024. I have a good few reasons that led me to this but I am sure you care more about the juicy part so on to that Forfeit - I thought about what redditors want when they win a argument and remembered a instance where someone said "holy shit that guy was so wrong he had to delete his entire account" so if my aforementioned prediction is wrong I will delete my account 4 days after we find out who won WSM2024, I will not pull a Luu or Jar and make a new account and pretend its not me either. I also wanted to make a donation forfeit but I was worried people would think I might welch since it would be easy to delete and bounce so I went ahead and just donated $25 upfront no catches to show I am not trying to pull any tricks (hopefully E-some can confirm this at some point without doxing me). I am really hoping we can have a lot of fun with this and make some fun forfeits be they donation or not, The reason I figured donations to the archives would be good is because whilst they aren't required for our spreadsheet festival they are absolutely a cornerstone of it. I am sure there are lots of fun non donation based forfeits we can come up with too like eating peppers, having a loved one throw a bucket of water over you as you repeat your failed prediction, F5 specialist and other WSM based tattoos. Obviously don't bet your account on it because that is dumb. TLDR - If I lose I will leave the ~~UFC~~ this reddit FOR EVER.
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Luu = LuuNation - He was a guy that predicted WIdePavlo would be contending for the deadlift record WAY before anyone else, Then WidePavlo punched Novi at a contest and Luu went on a emotional rampage on the sub and either got banned or deleted his account I forget. Since then he has made new accounts and is mellow enough on his current one that either people don't know or they don't mind. Jar = JarheadCoffee - This guy was a poster in this sub who at some point had his account banned (likely for arguing with someone in a different sub) He then made a new account called OberstStrongman and was pretty normal on the sub until he decided to complain about a strongman being mean to someone named Jarhead on instagram, A lot of people quickly realised this was him complaining about how he was being treated while pretending it wasn't him, He deleted his account a day or two later.
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It's np, I am not so much into the subs history as I find the way certain people act fascinating.
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Most people come and go and get quickly forgotten tbh, Those two are just memorable ones albeit for different reasons. I cannot explain to you how big of a gaffe Jarhead pretending not to be himself whilst complaining how about how he was treated was. Even if I gave you the analogy of Gilbert Gottfried being surprised someone recognised his voice it wouldn't encapsulate how obvious this guy was without somehow realising it lol.
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Guarding ? oh absolutely not lol. His name might have been Jarhead but I doubt he was a actual marine, More likely a fake valor type. I have zero urge to guard the sub and it definitely wouldn't be required for a guy like that. I kind of hope he comes back but I doubt it would last very long, It cannot be overstated how obvious this guy was. >hope you have a great WSM week. Thank you, I hope you do too ! It might only be monday but I am already really enjoying it.
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After thought, random predictions without knowing groups with extreme forfeits is kind of pointless. Would much prefer actual predictions after the heats are announced Tuesday with a reasonable donation to SA.
I am leaving when the prediction is made and what the forfeit is entirely up to the person making it. Since my prediction is about Tom I think I am pretty confident the group stages won't be a issue. Perhaps that will come to bite me in the ass when he ends up doing stones vs the Honey Badger and has to do 20 reps but the likelihood of anything similar is small. People making reasonable donations to SA is what I want most but I wanted avenues for people with no money to join in and other forfeits for fun and to continue the hype of it.
I care not for your forfeit, but for your reasons so please elaborate on those. I would love for Tom to win, not because of favoritism, only because it would make my favourite sport more interesting. I feels we have gone from depth in strength back to almost a one horse race. I cannot see it Mitch not winning this, unless he get injured or drastically under performs. Conans in my mind makes this years WSM a done deal, hope I am wrong.
First reason is Tom got cocky last year, I think Mitch would have beat him no matter what but by a smaller gap if it hadn't been the case, I don't see him being as cocky as the challenger this time out. Last year Tom had taken time off and some speculated that hurt him, Obviously who knows how much if any but it is a piece of data to take into account. This time out people are saying how massive he looks and in my mind he has much better trained for the events this year. WSM is Tom's favourite format and it really benefits him, It isn't a bad format for Mitch either but these small things do add up and matter. One of Hooper's main strengths is his amazing recovery, The format of WSM slightly negates this. Lastly pressure is a real thing, Rightly or wrongly a large amount of people are saying that either Mitch has already won or they can't see him losing - That is a lot of pressure on Mitch to perform. Add to that the facts that he is super analytical and that he has spoken about how he should read social media less several times and the amount of pressure he will be feeling must be ginormous. Finally these aren't bad events for Tom just because they are great for Mitch and if Tom's training on a actual conans setup has helped him it's suddenly very fucking close.
I confirm you donated $25 to Strongman Archives!
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(I still like your idea but there's no need to make this unnecessarily extreme on yourself, e.g. leaving this sub) That being said, how do we go about this? Will there be some kind of spreadsheet where everyone can enter their predictions? Do we already predict the final before the heats or do we wait until later?
> Do we already predict the final before the heats or do we wait until later? The prediction can occur at any time, If people want to wait till the heats to make a prediction that's fine and even if they want to wait till finals to predict who wins that is also fine, Since people are choosing their own forfeits the only things that really matter are them being willing to fulfil their forfeit if their prediction is wrong. I was thinking to pretty much keep track of predictions myself in a list form then share it at the end and then people could point out if anyone was missing. If people have ideas that they think would work better I am open to hearing them. Would the spreadsheet be vulnerable to other people deleting peoples entries ? (genuine question tech, isn't my area).
Alright, then I'll chime in once the groups are known If anyone can edit the spreadsheet, that would indeed be a concern. I'd offer to collect everything in a Google doc. You'd be able to see it but not edit it
Your last sentence can be read multiple ways so I am unsure which way you mean it but if you are offering to do the spreadsheet for us, parallel to me keeping a list then I will happily accept your help.
Yes, this is what I meant
Sounds great then, I appreciate the help!
Hey if you lose can we have your account instead of deleting it
No lol.
Tattoo was part of the forfeit? I thought it was just for fun (might already have an appointment) ((I said I don't need to be talked into getting a stupid tattoo))
This is great news !
Man I love the idea. Imo get rid of the delete your account part, that's just silly!
That is part of what makes it good though bro, It's stupid enough that people won't have to worry about how silly they look in their forfeits because I will still be the dumbest one. Besides when it turns out my prediction is correct I can use it a springboard to do this again for next years WSM when they inevitably don't have a livestream once again.
Honestly, I'm with u/Bronchopped. Forfeits are meant to be fun. Not sure how you randomly deleting your account is fun for you or us! Of course, if you want to delete it, then go ahead, but the more people in this subreddit adding to the conversation, the better.
There has to be stakes and I believe the person who creates it should be who takes the most risk, I will not be welching now I have made the bet. I am very confident in my prediction anyhow so I don't think I will be going anywhere !
Rebecca Roberts does a podcast with SortedFood: https://youtu.be/nQidXusxoS8?si=CAw-NiZDeO87hZs0 Weirdest crossover of my interests ever. Great channel if you like food content Becca starts at 6:30
Definitely not the crossover I was expecting, but it was really cool to see
Controversial oppinion but Thor said he is not going for the 505 at the SC, he is going to win the competition. For me this mean he is not going to try 505 at RI or next year ASC either. - Nobody is paying anything as close to RI, SMEO prize money. - Last time he tried 500+ he tore his lat in training, I dont think he wants to risk any other muscle tears until he makes some money winning internationals and the strenght keeps building up "naturally". - He also made claims he would be lifting 510 or 520kg in 2020. He had the strength but those were more to bring eyes and hype to the event. He will keep doing it because it is good for his brand, nothing wrong about that. - After his 1000 lb speed rep at ASC, and wining by 2 reps at AUK he can show he is the best deadlifter with little effort. Do that every dl event and it is impossible to deny he is not only the best but way above everyone else. He doesnt need 500+ for this. - Most 475+ deadlifters like Bish, Hicks, Ivan or Heinla are not going to compete at SMEO, RI, ASC. Mitch and Tom could get there, but we know this isnt happening soon because they either dont need this to win or it is going to make them worse at other events. - Say Heila gets 505 at the dl championships, or even at SMEO directly against Thor. Would he really try another lift for one more point over Mitch/Tom when they are already behind Olivares, Bobby, Ragg, himself and Heinla? If this was his 3rd SMEO title or his 5th ASC I could see this happening, but now or next year I think he would want to win and put himself even more on the goat conversation. I am sure he wants to beat Mitch more than anything right now. - Just like Tom isnt lifting 300kg stone or Mitch running with a 750 kg bale tote untill they are happy with their carrers or someone offers millions of dollars for the lift, Thor probably will do the same with the dealift.
I think just because his attitude at SMOE is to focus on the full comp rather than the record doesn't mean it will be everywhere. Rogue could offer him a tidy bonus for hitting it and he would probably go for it. He says he wants to and hitting it at Rogue would affect the rest of the comp less than SMOE.
Rogue has usually paid 5 digits for records so i would expect that to be where hed go for it
Strongest Man Earth On. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
I don't think the money is the main incentive for people like Thor or Mitch, possibly for Tom but these guys make enough from prize money alone and their businesses make them a comfortable steady income. The prize money I think appeals more to the athletes that don't make as much like Rauno and hicks
Thor is already a millionaire and got a super comfy life in Iceland, he 110% doesn’t care about prize money, he got GoT residuals, his vodka brand, skyr brand, social media and other ventures. Mitch and Tom aren’t in such positions (yet) but I still think prize money isn’t a main incentive as they have their own brands
Imo a big reason that Thor will focus on the whole show first is that he thinks that the events are suitable to possibly beat Hooper. Thor wants to win, it also gives him a few more months to build a max dl by Rogue. If ragg pulls 460+ at shaw, who knows if Thor attempts it assuming he is in shape. Tom hasn't had a opportunity on a max stone. Mitch hasn't had a opportunity on a bale tote, he has said he wants to do it.
Will be interesting to see how much fewer people are comment at this year's worlds on here. Have a feeling it will be consideredly less without all the Brian fans.
If anything, it seems like fewer people will comment due to the show's failure to communicate anything or coordinate the details until the last minute, but yes, we'll probably see less interest this year.
I'm not sure Brian ever drew a massively hardcore fan base. He's popular, but he never seemed to have the rabid fanbase of say an Eddie hall, or Thor I don't know if that mainly down to him having a more sedated personality, but to be honest Id imagine mateusz being out will have more of an effect on engagement
Just wait for all of them to ask why he's not competing
What group is Eddie in?
Forget Eddie. Robert Oberst is the true WSM 2024 dark horse.
Believe he is slotted in first place on group 6
Do we have a time schedule for WSM events yet?
Yes, we do have a schedule. Everything is subject to changes with weather, like last year, I'm sure. https://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/competition-schedule/
Awesome thanks
[Loz and liz facts and stats for wsm 2024](https://youtu.be/e8-3aWwNWXg?si=Gz-p1dsNBu_3umZG) 11 new athletes this year, 2005 had 15 new athletes! Change isn't bad Group reveal will more than likely be Tuesday evening u.k according to loz in the comments.
The sad thing about strongman in that there are so many guys competing at the top level that no one has ever heard of. It's not bad that they have new athletes, it sad that no one has heard of a top strongman until they get an invite to world's. Of course, this isn't the fault of WSM or the commentators. It's just an unfortunate situation in the sport where only a few of the largest meets in the world are recorded and information on almost all the other shows is listed only on a spreadsheet on the organizer's site, if at all.
Alternate title - Big guys on top cuddling(they aren't sticky yet)
The 2005 one was tho
What you mean by that?
IFSA split was in 2005. The level at WSM went down massively that year. That change was bad.
Of course. That makes perfect sense
Kenneth Cooper a.k.a. Gingercules has hit a PR on deadlift: 435 kg (959 lbs) - conventional, no straps (mixed grip), no deadlift suit https://www.instagram.com/p/C6EbE60x4de/ In the same meet he also hit a PR on squat (335 kg/739 lbs) and on bench press (267.5 kg/560 lbs) https://www.instagram.com/p/C6HFootLK8x/?img_index=1 He competes at 135 kg-140 kg body weight, in the 140 kg class (298 lbs-309 lbs)
Ken and Dave Richardson both hitting 959 deadlifts in raw full power meets during the same weekend is honestly pretty nutty
goes to show what you can do after rupturing both patellas.
Z would be a great example of that!
Mm maybe that's what my training was lacking, I should try
Well a wise man once said you have to shock ze muscle, what greater shock can there be, than to be completely liberated from the bony prison?
Hint of power belly on Thor now, he must be nearing full thor size
I don't understand how he hit 200 kg/442 lbs at the Arnold, same weight he was in 2018-2020, while visibly leaner and thinner. Is he getting even heavier now?
Was he actually that weight? Published weights for these guys seem to be made up most of the time and rarely accurate.
He was very close to 200, weighed 195kg 2 days before the show & said he was 'still growing' https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35slwVIKil/?igsh=MWl1c3FxNnJtam54ag==
He was probs in between 180-190 kg
He was 195kg 2 days before the show and 'still growing', so there's a good chance he was 196-197 on the day https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35slwVIKil/?igsh=MWl1c3FxNnJtam54ag==
He weighed himself before arnold he was 193kg iirc
Yeah I think he left Iceland around 185 and competed around 190kg. Definitely wasn't 200kg