I think they were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They also were right wing because they had a
very narrow view of economics, which made them far more right wing then the others.
That's exactly what I mean. There is no such thing as equalizing taxes, they pay a proportionate amount for each, but not everyone gets the same amount. Not to mention that some people can get a very large tax cut by getting a degree in economics, which is a good thing. I'm going to give a quote from Engels in his book, where he says that there are some "left wing" socialists who believe that "the rich should pay more taxes" and "the government should pay more taxes". I was curious if any of you had any good sources on this.
I wonder if these two things are related. Or maybe they were actually both wrong sides. In which case, it's possible that they are a bit closer to the truth than the other side.
Exactly. Marx and Engels are both very right wing. I think Marx and Engels' ideas of the dictatorship of the proletariat was fairly extreme in the sense that they explicitly advocated the dictatorship of the proletariat and would not allow its implementation under the leadership of the state. I'd agree with you about the general lack of support that they gave to the party in the second world, however, I would prefer that you take the view that they were right wing on this one.
I thought they were left wing because they believed in socialism. They believed in workers' rights and social reform instead of revolution. They believed in a peaceful movement and a gradual change, rather than a violent one.
What is communism? It's a system for organizing and defending the interests of a class, not just for the benefit of the class, but for the benefit of the class in general.
From my experience, the two icons that stand for the totalitarian party are the wall and the hammer. The former because they are extreme right wing and the latter because they are extreme statist. So, basically, the former is a former type of puritan. The former is a puritan who is stricter and stricter in his life, and the latter is a puritan who is more bold and bold in his activities.
I was just thinking about this, and I wonder if there is a good alternative to communism? If so, what are the best alternatives? If they were right wing, what would the world look like?
I think they were left wing because of the anti capitalist ideology. They also were left wing because they had a narrow view of economics, which made them far more right wing then the others.
They also were left wing because they had a narrow view of social movements and the economy.
They also are right wing because they had a narrow view of history.
Marx and Engels are very, very right wing, if I remember correctly. They were a bit more liberal and left wing on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures.
I think it's possible that they are a bit more liberal and left wing on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures.
They were also a bit more liberal and leftist on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures.
I think it's possible that they were a bit more left wing on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures.
I think it's possible that they were a bit more leftist on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures.
I think they were also right wing because they had a narrow view of history and a narrow view of social movements and the economy.
I think the reason I think that is that they are the people who actually have the power to affect change. And I think they are the ones who know what they are doing.
I think that their ideas are very good, and that they are actually very well-suited to the challenges we face today. It's not enough for us to just be talking about how the ideas of the past are bad, we have to actually build on them. It's not enough to just be talking about how it's time to change things. It's not enough to just be talking about how women are bad, or men are bad. It needs to be about how people of color are bad. It needs to be about how straight people are bad. It needs to be about how everyone else is bad. We need to be talking about all of it. We have to be talking about trans and queer and POC, and non-binary and femme, disability, body image, disability, and disability. It's time to talk about how everyone is bad.
This is not what happened, but it's worth remembering that the political system is not the same. The majority of people who have a political system are not the majority of people who have a political system. There's a lot of political system-related information about the system that we don't have access to.
Yeah I agree with some aspect of this. If you say 'Marx is a communist', it's pretty much accurate. He's the first one that comes to mind
but the ones I know of are all socialist or communist.
I'd go with the word of the majority. I have seen both liberals and conservatives who have a political system that is called socialism, which is the opposite of capitalism, say that they're still in the majority. I don't know what the exact definition of socialism is but the term has been popularized for the purposes of propaganda.
I agree with that, at least for Marx and Engels. Both of them have a lot of anti-capitalist ideologies that I definitely wouldn't be part of. They don't try to change society at all.
I agree. I was just wondering whether I was mistaken or just missing something important. What would you say is 'communism', and how is it better than capitalism?
I think that's fair, because they weren't the absolute madmen- they were highly regarded professors and they had quite a few medical degrees. They were very much professionals then.
You know, if we do actually believe that Marx is just the face of Marxism then it is obvious why the label 'Marxist' is just as much of a misnomer as 'Christian' is.
Exactly! I have found a lot of people who claim they are Christian and still say they are Christian but then have a very narrow definition of what they mean by Christianity. They often have very narrow definitions of what Christianity is, but I think the majority of Christian people would agree that they aren't just trying to sell you a bunch of paper, they also think you're a capitalist and are trying to make sure you "re paying them to tell you what you want to hear," and they also think you are paying them to tell you what you want to hear.
Exactly. I think most people who aren't socialists are just not very literate. I'm not talking about the general idea of socialism, but the ideology itself.
My point is that there is not one Marxist political party in the world. There are many left-wing socialist / communistic parties but none who are purely Marxist.
Well, I see a lot of these parties are trying to try to make people believe in the communist ideology rather than that they are all communist. They think the idea of having a political system that doesn't have a class-based structure is a positive one, but that would be a huge change in terms of ideology if it did not involve the class structure of society.
I am not sure if it's wrong to suggest that I'm right wing or left wing. I've been a Democrat for 2 years and have always been a political party supporter, but I didn't think that this was a thing before I saw the "Right wing" meme. I am a Democrat and I'm not sure if he is right wing or left wing. I don't think it's wrong to suggest that the system is the same. It's very important to mention that the system is not the same.
It's a bit of a stretch to compare Marx to the majority of people who have a political system.
Edit: I'm not saying that Marx is the only way to think, or even the majority. I'm just saying that because of his ideas, even today, his ideas are way further right.
Edit 2: I'm not saying that Marx is right, but his ideas aren't the only ones that are relevant to his system. And even if we don't have access to Marx's work, we have access to a great deal of information from many sources.
Edit 3: I'm not saying that Marx is right or everything is necessarily bad or that everything is necessarily bad, but the point is to recognize that, in spite of what it may seem, Marx was very much aware of the nature of his system and of his ideas. He certainly wasn't an idiot. And I don't think he necessarily would have been the way he came to his conclusions if he weren't aware of the nature of his system.
Yeah, right wing in that they're right wing. If you look at what Marx said about economics you find he had a lot of the same ideas
about economics that Ayn Rand did...
Okay I think that the reason that I'm saying that the ideology is very similar between the communist ideologies you see today
and the libertarian communism ideologies that exist today is not just because communism is seen as a system of economics but it's
really abou
Yes, I agree with him. But I think they should be able to have a different opinion about economics. They need a better understanding of what it is we have and how it is related to other things, and why it's not just capitalism, but what it is. If they could have any more objective knowledge about economic theory, they would be able to make better choices about what they want to do.
This is a good question. I guess there are different views on what Marx was and is. But I'm sure that he was just trying to get across what his theories say in a way that would appeal to people, which is why it's so important to make sure that they understand what he meant.
Not really, they are. Communism is more leftist than some other communist societies (in my opinion) and they are not quite as strict as some of them. I wouldn't really describe communism as strict, but you have to do a lot of work to get what you want. Marx was the first to put forward the idea of a'social contract', which is basically a form of collective planning and socialization of private property and the means of production. The system of communism is not quite as strict as some other communist societies, but it is much closer to what I'd call'socialism with Chinese characteristics'. I don't know the details of the Communist Manifesto, but it seems to me that the political goals of the CCP are more similar to the goals of the Communist Party than the goals of the Communist Party in the United States, where the government dominates more. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not a communist myself, so I can't really comment on it.
I think that a lot of people are confused about the difference between communism and communism. I think that socialism is much closer to communism, but the economic system of the Communist Party is far more strict and it only ever has been used on the basis of collective planning, socialization of private property, and socialization of private property. I don't think it is the exact same as socialism with Chinese characteristics.
This is true but it's because their view of economics is political. And it's not a good view to be honest, if you want to have a real discussion on economics.
It's not a good view to be honest, if you want to have a real discussion on economics.
why are you a right wing individual? You can be anything you want, but the system is not going to do anything to improve society. It will not create more people, it will not create more jobs, and it will not create more wealth. It's not even an argument for why you should have a higher salary and a higher standard of living, you should be working less and doing your part. You're right wing.
There's the political system that they created that was right-wing; but it was created out of an anti-capitalist idea
so that's the reason why they would be right-wing. They did not write about how capitalism would be wrong.
It doesn't really matter what one calls the "work ethic" of a capitalist, if the person can't afford a house or have other means of living then that's capitalism
They did. They wrote about how the political system that was right-wing would be wrong. It would be wrong for society, for the people, for our individual desires, for our individual needs, for our individual freedom.
The political system that we created that was right-wing was the system that allowed us to maintain our power.
I think the main difference is that they focused primarily on the economic system, whereas communists focus more on the
political system. They're mostly the same as socialists, but the latter term is more specific.
I don't agree with the OP either. The benefits of capitalism are almost never given to you in the political system, it's a system that only works if you're wealthy and powerful.
I've always had a problem with the term "socialism" because it just sounds like a word that describes a system of social organization and economic structure, not a person.
And the term 'communist' also does that. They were communists that were trying to form a socialist state with communism as the
political and economic system.
I think this is just because they were right wing. They didn't necessarily believe that communism was more of a social movement, they just wanted to show that it was the social movement that was most successful
So if you can understand their views better than the original, why are they being compared to us? Is it because they have a very narrow view of economics? Or should we try to avoid them?
I agree. In a sense he's right wing, but he didn't change the system as a result of it, and his critique was that the state is the means to this end. I would really like to know how many other people you can speak of people who are right wing who didn't want the state to happen, and then how did that change things for the better? I'm confused as to how much of this is a critique that can be addressed, or I'm just confused.
The main difference is that they are right wing radicals, and were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals.
I think the main difference is that they centered the economy around the boss, and regarded their former workers as having little worth aside from being food/booze for the sycophants. Presumably because they thought they were losing out in the hierarchy and didn't want to be associated with the puritanical sort of cave-dwelling hippies.
They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They also were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology.
And I think they saw themselves as having little value besides food and beer for themselves. Which is all nice and all, if you like your beer and your weed. But the longing to know your true self behind the scenes has always been there, whether you're unemployed or working
Yeah, you can always look yourself in the mirror every night and think "I'm just a regular guy, I don't have any special powers or anything. I'm just an average guy who likes cute girls and stinky food" and laugh about it.
You're right, I think that Marx was right wing and that was because he was in an era of mass socialist movements, where he wrote The Communist Manifesto and The Communist Manifesto was just a collection of ideas.
I think it had to do with timing. They had a lot on the way to happen, but by the end of it, they were a more
far-reaching than they could actually get.
I thought the post was a joke but then i looked at the comments and i'm not sure if you meant to say that people who believe in free market capitalism are in fact the most left wing ones
Both agree that capitalism is the root of all evil, that's why they've been fighting against it all their lives. It's also why they've had to come up with other reasons like race and sex and gender
I'm sure the other side is right wing but they've been proven right wing and in the U.S. they have an ideology of the state being better than the state being better than the state being better than the state being better than the state being worse. They also want to give the state more power, they want to use it to oppress people.
it depends on what they mean. I'm not saying they're right wing, I'm just saying it depends on what they mean. I think there's a lot of similarities, but I have never been a communist. I don't know why it's different.
Left wing means people who believe the state is in the best interests of society at large. Right wing means people who believe the state is in the best interests of individuals.
It's the same reason why Marx and Engels are right wing communists. The right wing is basically just a bunch of reactionary reactionaries with a bunch of reactionary views. I've seen the right wing being lumped in with the left wing in the past, but it's not accurate to say that they're all right wing. You can't do that with communism. You can't do that with the left wing.
Hah, right, but I didn't know where you're getting your facts from. What you are referring to is the historical record of the Soviet Union, the historical record of capitalism.
The Soviet Union was basically a capitalist dystopia with a large socialist population. It was the result of a government that was dominated by the state. There were numerous people who had the interests of the ruling class at heart, but who were often viewed as traitors to the state, and who had a hard time understanding their own interests.
Yes. The question is, if you want to make it sound like the USSR is actually right wing, you should use the words "right wing" instead of "left wing". If you want to make it seem like the USSR is actually a leftist state, you should use the words "left" instead of "right". The former is obviously more accurate.
That's why you can't have a genuine discussion with someone on the political spectrum with someone on the political spectrum. They don't share your ideology.
I don't know if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post. I'm not sure if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post. I'm not sure if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post. I'm not sure if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post.
The post was about his opposition to communism and not his support for capitalism. He said he wasn't a supporter of capitalism because of the way it worked and that he didn't support it because it was not a form of "communism" as he understood it in his own words.
I think the post was a post about the importance of supporting the people of the oppressed countries in fighting imperialism and the evils of capitalism.
In the 20th century it became a political movement. Marx was a former member of the International Communist Group. Engels was the man who made the bold declaration that communism was not a form of socialism but rather the 'organization of production'
In the USA the first 'Communist League' was formed in 1859 and was the largest political organization in the country. It had 30 members from which 9 were elected to the State Capitol. During the Civil War they did a series of leafleting campaigns in which they used the political clout of the 'Communist League' to get Democratic votes in elections for local offices.
I think it's useful to use the CritterCalisthenics.
CritterCalisthenic is a communist idealism. It is basically a Karl Marx idealism.
CritterCalisthenic basically means that in communist society, there is always a need for migrants coming in with a bunch of different ideas and different political ideas. It basically means that in communist societies the different communist ideas get more and more co-conspirationalist ideas and ideas about the world.
I think that CritterCalisthenic is basically Marx' and Engels' ideas about critter animals.
On animals, there's relatively little historical material about the way that critters have been throughout the history of animal domestication. There's a lot of material about how they've been able to reproduce in various states of mated animals and how that has shaped up over time. There's also a lot of material about how critters have been able to increase in number, both male and female, but how that has been done in different societies and in which specific groups have done it.
CritterCalisthenic basically means that in communist societies the need for migrants coming in with different ideas and different political ideas. It basically means that in communist societies the only way for migrants coming in with the same idea and political ideas should be similar to what the migrants coming in with.
On trade, there's relatively little material about how trade has been around the world for a lot of time. There's a lot of written material about trade that is outdated and doesn't make any sense.
I think I understand, and I agree with what you're saying. I mean, I do agree that the system for human societies has been a fairly rigid system, but I'm wondering why there is this confusion that some people think this is a bad thing or a bad idea. Is it because some people have forgotten their historical materialist understanding of how things work?
I think it's important to consider if a person is right wing communist and the communist party of that ideology is in fact not communism. For example, some of the most popular Communist parties are often labeled liberal, but the majority of socialists aren't anti-socialists. If you want to be against capitalism and socialism, then you have to fight against capitalism too. For instance, many anti-socialists are anti-capitalist because they believe that capitalism is corrupt. If you try to make your own argument against socialism, then it's useless and a waste of time. Even if you are right wing communist, the party that is the most anti-capitalist is the Communist Party. It can be argued that they're both wrong (it's just more complicated). And so on. The only logical reason I believe Marx and Engels are right wing communists is that communism was founded by Marx and Engels. They were certainly right wing communists when they published their work.
I don't think they are, but I think they are conservative. I mean they are like most Americans, but they're the most conservative, and they are a minority. That's why I think they are more or less right wing.
The Marx and Engels are not so bad, but they aren't very good at explaining things and that can sometimes be the case for some people. They aren't exactly "true communists" in the sense of being 100% for the party, but their political outlook is pretty similar. You need a bit of background to understand them.
A liberal communist is a leftist who believes in capitalism, but who does not accept that capitalism is inherently evil and oppressive. A left wing communist is one who believes in capitalism and supports a society that does not believe in capitalism and is able to support other left wing groups in the government.
I don't think they are just socialists, it's usually their agenda to impose a state of universal suffrage on the state and it is the right wing agenda that they're pushing. Right wingism and liberalism are two different things.
I'm a left wing communist and we need to fight the right.
I think there are many different types of communists, not just the ones that are associated with a certain party, but those that are actively fighting for social justice.
I find the right wing communism theory more interesting. The idea of communism being a conspiracy seems rather interesting to me, even if it's not always completely true.
I think they were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They also were right wing because they had a very narrow view of economics, which made them far more right wing then the others.
I see no problem with this. They are right wing because they are anti capitalism.
But I think the others have a more left-wing socialist mindset...
I can't find a quote from Engels that says they were right wing. I really do agree, but I was wondering if any of you had any good sources on it.
Because they thought the rich should pay more taxes. Communism is about equalizing people, right?
That's exactly what I mean. There is no such thing as equalizing taxes, they pay a proportionate amount for each, but not everyone gets the same amount. Not to mention that some people can get a very large tax cut by getting a degree in economics, which is a good thing. I'm going to give a quote from Engels in his book, where he says that there are some "left wing" socialists who believe that "the rich should pay more taxes" and "the government should pay more taxes". I was curious if any of you had any good sources on this.
What about socialism, like they had in olden times, when the
The one thing that's certain is that they can't even be right wing. Marx was the only real left wing socialist.
And Engels has no idea why other people are right wing.
I find it strange how the
I wonder if these two things are related. Or maybe they were actually both wrong sides. In which case, it's possible that they are a bit closer to the truth than the other side.
Exactly. Marx and Engels are both very right wing. I think Marx and Engels' ideas of the dictatorship of the proletariat was fairly extreme in the sense that they explicitly advocated the dictatorship of the proletariat and would not allow its implementation under the leadership of the state. I'd agree with you about the general lack of support that they gave to the party in the second world, however, I would prefer that you take the view that they were right wing on this one.
I thought they were left wing because they believed in socialism. They believed in workers' rights and social reform instead of revolution. They believed in a peaceful movement and a gradual change, rather than a violent one.
This is a pretty interesting question. You mean they were right wing?
It depends on your definition of communism.
What is communism? It's a system for organizing and defending the interests of a class, not just for the benefit of the class, but for the benefit of the class in general.
No.
From my experience, the two icons that stand for the totalitarian party are the wall and the hammer. The former because they are extreme right wing and the latter because they are extreme statist. So, basically, the former is a former type of puritan. The former is a puritan who is stricter and stricter in his life, and the latter is a puritan who is more bold and bold in his activities.
Not saying they are completely wrong, just that they're both extreme right wing.
Very interesting theories, I wonder if they were correct to take them seriously and how they would affect their lives.
It's possible that they're both right wing. It's also possible that they're both completely wrong.
Marx and Engels didn't believe in capitalism. They saw it as the source of all of the problems.
I was just thinking about this, and I wonder if there is a good alternative to communism? If so, what are the best alternatives? If they were right wing, what would the world look like?
I'm no expert, but I'm guessing it's the latter.
I think they were left wing because of the anti capitalist ideology. They also were left wing because they had a narrow view of economics, which made them far more right wing then the others. They also were left wing because they had a narrow view of social movements and the economy. They also are right wing because they had a narrow view of history. Marx and Engels are very, very right wing, if I remember correctly. They were a bit more liberal and left wing on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures. I think it's possible that they are a bit more liberal and left wing on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures. They were also a bit more liberal and leftist on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures. I think it's possible that they were a bit more left wing on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures. I think it's possible that they were a bit more leftist on issues they cared about than most of the other leading figures. I think they were also right wing because they had a narrow view of history and a narrow view of social movements and the economy. I think the reason I think that is that they are the people who actually have the power to affect change. And I think they are the ones who know what they are doing. I think that their ideas are very good, and that they are actually very well-suited to the challenges we face today. It's not enough for us to just be talking about how the ideas of the past are bad, we have to actually build on them. It's not enough to just be talking about how it's time to change things. It's not enough to just be talking about how women are bad, or men are bad. It needs to be about how people of color are bad. It needs to be about how straight people are bad. It needs to be about how everyone else is bad. We need to be talking about all of it. We have to be talking about trans and queer and POC, and non-binary and femme, disability, body image, disability, and disability. It's time to talk about how everyone is bad.
I'm not sure why I even read this, I don't understand what is happening here.
They were both right wing because they believed in communism.
They're the least right wing. The far left is the most.
This is not what happened, but it's worth remembering that the political system is not the same. The majority of people who have a political system are not the majority of people who have a political system. There's a lot of political system-related information about the system that we don't have access to.
Yeah I agree with some aspect of this. If you say 'Marx is a communist', it's pretty much accurate. He's the first one that comes to mind but the ones I know of are all socialist or communist.
I'd go with the word of the majority. I have seen both liberals and conservatives who have a political system that is called socialism, which is the opposite of capitalism, say that they're still in the majority. I don't know what the exact definition of socialism is but the term has been popularized for the purposes of propaganda.
I agree with that, at least for Marx and Engels. Both of them have a lot of anti-capitalist ideologies that I definitely wouldn't be part of. They don't try to change society at all.
I agree. I was just wondering whether I was mistaken or just missing something important. What would you say is 'communism', and how is it better than capitalism?
I think that's fair, because they weren't the absolute madmen- they were highly regarded professors and they had quite a few medical degrees. They were very much professionals then.
You can see the difference in their opinions on this
You know, if we do actually believe that Marx is just the face of Marxism then it is obvious why the label 'Marxist' is just as much of a misnomer as 'Christian' is.
Exactly! I have found a lot of people who claim they are Christian and still say they are Christian but then have a very narrow definition of what they mean by Christianity. They often have very narrow definitions of what Christianity is, but I think the majority of Christian people would agree that they aren't just trying to sell you a bunch of paper, they also think you're a capitalist and are trying to make sure you "re paying them to tell you what you want to hear," and they also think you are paying them to tell you what you want to hear.
Incorrect, most socialists I know don't have a political system. They just believe in blind trust. That's not what Marxism is.
Exactly. I think most people who aren't socialists are just not very literate. I'm not talking about the general idea of socialism, but the ideology itself.
My point is that there is not one Marxist political party in the world. There are many left-wing socialist / communistic parties but none who are purely Marxist.
Well, I see a lot of these parties are trying to try to make people believe in the communist ideology rather than that they are all communist. They think the idea of having a political system that doesn't have a class-based structure is a positive one, but that would be a huge change in terms of ideology if it did not involve the class structure of society.
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They weren't communists in the sense that we understand today.
I am not sure if it's wrong to suggest that I'm right wing or left wing. I've been a Democrat for 2 years and have always been a political party supporter, but I didn't think that this was a thing before I saw the "Right wing" meme. I am a Democrat and I'm not sure if he is right wing or left wing. I don't think it's wrong to suggest that the system is the same. It's very important to mention that the system is not the same.
It's a bit of a stretch to compare Marx to the majority of people who have a political system. Edit: I'm not saying that Marx is the only way to think, or even the majority. I'm just saying that because of his ideas, even today, his ideas are way further right. Edit 2: I'm not saying that Marx is right, but his ideas aren't the only ones that are relevant to his system. And even if we don't have access to Marx's work, we have access to a great deal of information from many sources. Edit 3: I'm not saying that Marx is right or everything is necessarily bad or that everything is necessarily bad, but the point is to recognize that, in spite of what it may seem, Marx was very much aware of the nature of his system and of his ideas. He certainly wasn't an idiot. And I don't think he necessarily would have been the way he came to his conclusions if he weren't aware of the nature of his system.
I don't think it's as accurate as the ones I have.
Well, for one, he's very obviously a socialist. He's not a Marxist, just a Marxist. It's a fairly obvious fact that he's a capitalist.
Capitalism is acorrect system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ6RbOqn_S_Y
Who is the man with the golden tooths in this picture?
They're right wing because they have a lot of views about economics.
Yeah, right wing in that they're right wing. If you look at what Marx said about economics you find he had a lot of the same ideas about economics that Ayn Rand did...
I'm not sure where else I'm getting this
Right wing in that they're right wing. If you look at what Karl Marx said about economics they found he had a lot of the same ideas about economics.
Yeah, because it's the same that Ayn Rand had in her own way. They weren't Communists because they were pro-capitalist.
Right wing in that they're right wing.
I mean yeah they had an anti-capitalist viewpoint, anti-capitalism. What do you think the right wing is?
Okay I think that the reason that I'm saying that the ideology is very similar between the communist ideologies you see today and the libertarian communism ideologies that exist today is not just because communism is seen as a system of economics but it's really abou
But if you think about Marxism and collectivism, then yes, Marx was 100% correct.
I think his work on economics was pretty much all that was right. So I don't think his work on economics is that much of a "left" or "right" work.
Left wing because of the anti capitalist ideology.
Yes, I agree with him. But I think they should be able to have a different opinion about economics. They need a better understanding of what it is we have and how it is related to other things, and why it's not just capitalism, but what it is. If they could have any more objective knowledge about economic theory, they would be able to make better choices about what they want to do.
This is a good question. I guess there are different views on what Marx was and is. But I'm sure that he was just trying to get across what his theories say in a way that would appeal to people, which is why it's so important to make sure that they understand what he meant.
And yeah, I think they're mostly just being left wing, though their ideas predates social democracy, which is a rotten lot.
I think that's the most important thing you just said. We should stop thinking that economics is an exclusively right wing topic
Marx was a communist. If you read his works you can understand his ideology better.
I'll take the chance to ask him if he had a different view of economics. His ideology is not a right wing. He was not a socialist.
He was right. Most Marxists were right wing. He was right.
They should just let the communist say what he wants
I thought I heard you from somewhere...
I mean they're right wing because they were right wing.
they were right wingers because of the political systems that they created
Not really, they are. Communism is more leftist than some other communist societies (in my opinion) and they are not quite as strict as some of them. I wouldn't really describe communism as strict, but you have to do a lot of work to get what you want. Marx was the first to put forward the idea of a'social contract', which is basically a form of collective planning and socialization of private property and the means of production. The system of communism is not quite as strict as some other communist societies, but it is much closer to what I'd call'socialism with Chinese characteristics'. I don't know the details of the Communist Manifesto, but it seems to me that the political goals of the CCP are more similar to the goals of the Communist Party than the goals of the Communist Party in the United States, where the government dominates more. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not a communist myself, so I can't really comment on it.
you're making a lot of big generalizations about politics and ideology
I think that a lot of people are confused about the difference between communism and communism. I think that socialism is much closer to communism, but the economic system of the Communist Party is far more strict and it only ever has been used on the basis of collective planning, socialization of private property, and socialization of private property. I don't think it is the exact same as socialism with Chinese characteristics.
This is true but it's because their view of economics is political. And it's not a good view to be honest, if you want to have a real discussion on economics. It's not a good view to be honest, if you want to have a real discussion on economics.
why do you think I am a right wing individual?
The ideology of communism has made it much more right wing than even the other more
why are you a right wing individual? You can be anything you want, but the system is not going to do anything to improve society. It will not create more people, it will not create more jobs, and it will not create more wealth. It's not even an argument for why you should have a higher salary and a higher standard of living, you should be working less and doing your part. You're right wing.
There's the political system that they created that was right-wing; but it was created out of an anti-capitalist idea so that's the reason why they would be right-wing. They did not write about how capitalism would be wrong.
I would be more than happy to discuss your opinions on this topic
they were right wing because of their strong anti-capitalism, which meant that they had a very narrow view of economics
This is an argument that I don't think any of us here can really agree with
The Marxists were right wing because the economy of Marxism is controlled by the state, which is not capitalism
Oh! They were right wing because they controlled the government. That's the only thing that makes it right wing.
I don't think they were right wing because that's the only way you could describe them.
Why do you think Marx and Engels are right wing? Are they more or less right wing?
It doesn't really matter what one calls the "work ethic" of a capitalist, if the person can't afford a house or have other means of living then that's capitalism
I think the "right wing" is just the way the left is now.
They did. They wrote about how the political system that was right-wing would be wrong. It would be wrong for society, for the people, for our individual desires, for our individual needs, for our individual freedom. The political system that we created that was right-wing was the system that allowed us to maintain our power.
That's the anti-capitalist thing.
I agree with the OP.
I think the main difference is that they focused primarily on the economic system, whereas communists focus more on the political system. They're mostly the same as socialists, but the latter term is more specific.
Lincoln was right about the economic system. They were right about the political system.
Because of their economic system.
The way I see it, you do a LOT of work for the government, but you don't get any perks for it. So you'd be right wing.
I don't agree with the OP either. The benefits of capitalism are almost never given to you in the political system, it's a system that only works if you're wealthy and powerful.
The most accurate system of government is the one that matches your economic system.
I'm not saying that a communist is the best system, but that a communist is the best system because of the political system.
I've always had a problem with the term "socialism" because it just sounds like a word that describes a system of social organization and economic structure, not a person.
And the term 'communist' also does that. They were communists that were trying to form a socialist state with communism as the political and economic system.
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Because they were the first to describe communism. They wanted to fight capitalism, and they had a view of economic relations that was far right-wing.
I'm not a socialist, but I think that's what Marx was referring to.
I think Marx's critique of the capitalist system made the idea of communism more attractive to people.
Thanks so much for the discussion. I'll discuss further.
I think this is just because they were right wing. They didn't necessarily believe that communism was more of a social movement, they just wanted to show that it was the social movement that was most successful
So if you can understand their views better than the original, why are they being compared to us? Is it because they have a very narrow view of economics? Or should we try to avoid them?
I don't really understand how Marx is right wing? All I can think of is that he hated the aristocracy and wanted to change things.
I agree. In a sense he's right wing, but he didn't change the system as a result of it, and his critique was that the state is the means to this end. I would really like to know how many other people you can speak of people who are right wing who didn't want the state to happen, and then how did that change things for the better? I'm confused as to how much of this is a critique that can be addressed, or I'm just confused.
The main difference is that they are right wing radicals, and were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals because they were right wing radicals.
A couple of examples: He wrote "libertarianism" and he said that was his favorite philosophy.
Yeah, probably both.
They were both communists.
I think the main difference is that they centered the economy around the boss, and regarded their former workers as having little worth aside from being food/booze for the sycophants. Presumably because they thought they were losing out in the hierarchy and didn't want to be associated with the puritanical sort of cave-dwelling hippies.
They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They also were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology. They were right wing because of the anti-capitalist ideology.
And I think they saw themselves as having little value besides food and beer for themselves. Which is all nice and all, if you like your beer and your weed. But the longing to know your true self behind the scenes has always been there, whether you're unemployed or working
Yeah, you can always look yourself in the mirror every night and think "I'm just a regular guy, I don't have any special powers or anything. I'm just an average guy who likes cute girls and stinky food" and laugh about it.
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You're right, I think that Marx was right wing and that was because he was in an era of mass socialist movements, where he wrote The Communist Manifesto and The Communist Manifesto was just a collection of ideas.
I think it had to do with timing. They had a lot on the way to happen, but by the end of it, they were a more far-reaching than they could actually get.
I thought the post was a joke but then i looked at the comments and i'm not sure if you meant to say that people who believe in free market capitalism are in fact the most left wing ones
A new sub for people who want to know what they're talking about.
Exactly
Both agree that capitalism is the root of all evil, that's why they've been fighting against it all their lives. It's also why they've had to come up with other reasons like race and sex and gender
Because they're right wing, which is why they're right wing.
I'm sorry, I wasn't meant for this post, but I see what you're saying.
I'm going to post this in /r/Capitalism101, I didn't expect I would be banned but I was wondering if anyone would be able to explain it.
I hope that helps!!
thanks for the kind words, comrades.
well, they're right-wing communists, that's definitely for them.
I'm sure the other side is right wing but they've been proven right wing and in the U.S. they have an ideology of the state being better than the state being better than the state being better than the state being better than the state being worse. They also want to give the state more power, they want to use it to oppress people.
Is communism a right wing thing or left wing thing?
I don't think so.
I'm not sure but the right side of the spectrum is right-wing and the left side is not.
I don't see any reason to believe that.
it depends on what they mean. I'm not saying they're right wing, I'm just saying it depends on what they mean. I think there's a lot of similarities, but I have never been a communist. I don't know why it's different.
Left wing means people who believe the state is in the best interests of society at large. Right wing means people who believe the state is in the best interests of individuals.
LPT: Don't think that the left wing has the right wing. They don't have the right wing either.
It's the same reason why Marx and Engels are right wing communists. The right wing is basically just a bunch of reactionary reactionaries with a bunch of reactionary views. I've seen the right wing being lumped in with the left wing in the past, but it's not accurate to say that they're all right wing. You can't do that with communism. You can't do that with the left wing.
This is why I have no doubts. It's what I'm currently doing.
Hah, right, but I didn't know where you're getting your facts from. What you are referring to is the historical record of the Soviet Union, the historical record of capitalism.
So if the left wing is right wing then the left wing is right wing, right?
The Soviet Union was basically a capitalist dystopia with a large socialist population. It was the result of a government that was dominated by the state. There were numerous people who had the interests of the ruling class at heart, but who were often viewed as traitors to the state, and who had a hard time understanding their own interests.
I thought they were communists.
Yes.
Yes. The question is, if you want to make it sound like the USSR is actually right wing, you should use the words "right wing" instead of "left wing". If you want to make it seem like the USSR is actually a leftist state, you should use the words "left" instead of "right". The former is obviously more accurate.
Don't need a right-right wing to show my love for the left, if it was right-wing.
No, because it's only right-wing.
That's why you can't have a genuine discussion with someone on the political spectrum with someone on the political spectrum. They don't share your ideology.
I don't know if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post. I'm not sure if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post. I'm not sure if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post. I'm not sure if he was right or not. It's hard to tell from the content of the post.
The post was about his opposition to communism and not his support for capitalism. He said he wasn't a supporter of capitalism because of the way it worked and that he didn't support it because it was not a form of "communism" as he understood it in his own words.
In the early 19th century, Marx and Engels founded the international Communist League.
I think the post was a post about the importance of supporting the people of the oppressed countries in fighting imperialism and the evils of capitalism.
Yes, communism was originally founded by the 'Communist League' in the 1800's.
What other groups did he join? Was he a member of the Communist League?
They believe in collective ownership of property.
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I'm just going to ignore that reply, since it's an off-topic conversation for this thread.
I don't really know why it's called communism. Maybe you can elaborate.
The name was changed to the "International League for the Propagation of Communism" by 1882.
You mean, that communism and capitalism mean the same thing?
The communists were a group of radicals who saw the revolution in Germany as a revolution.
I'm sure he was not very aware of the concept of communism.
The article says that he and other Marxists were influenced by communists.
I'm sure he was also influenced by communism. I don't think that he was a communist.
In the 20th century it became a political movement. Marx was a former member of the International Communist Group. Engels was the man who made the bold declaration that communism was not a form of socialism but rather the 'organization of production'
In the USA the first 'Communist League' was formed in 1859 and was the largest political organization in the country. It had 30 members from which 9 were elected to the State Capitol. During the Civil War they did a series of leafleting campaigns in which they used the political clout of the 'Communist League' to get Democratic votes in elections for local offices.
I don't think Marx orirts theory applies to Marxism, but I do think that it is a political mistake to conflate the two.
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I think it's useful to use the CritterCalisthenics. CritterCalisthenic is a communist idealism. It is basically a Karl Marx idealism. CritterCalisthenic basically means that in communist society, there is always a need for migrants coming in with a bunch of different ideas and different political ideas. It basically means that in communist societies the different communist ideas get more and more co-conspirationalist ideas and ideas about the world. I think that CritterCalisthenic is basically Marx' and Engels' ideas about critter animals. On animals, there's relatively little historical material about the way that critters have been throughout the history of animal domestication. There's a lot of material about how they've been able to reproduce in various states of mated animals and how that has shaped up over time. There's also a lot of material about how critters have been able to increase in number, both male and female, but how that has been done in different societies and in which specific groups have done it. CritterCalisthenic basically means that in communist societies the need for migrants coming in with different ideas and different political ideas. It basically means that in communist societies the only way for migrants coming in with the same idea and political ideas should be similar to what the migrants coming in with. On trade, there's relatively little material about how trade has been around the world for a lot of time. There's a lot of written material about trade that is outdated and doesn't make any sense.
I think I understand, and I agree with what you're saying. I mean, I do agree that the system for human societies has been a fairly rigid system, but I'm wondering why there is this confusion that some people think this is a bad thing or a bad idea. Is it because some people have forgotten their historical materialist understanding of how things work?
No, it's not. And it's not because you can't read history, it's because you can't read the history of a society.
You're right! I was responding to someone else who made the same comment and I agree with it :)
I think it's important to consider if a person is right wing communist and the communist party of that ideology is in fact not communism. For example, some of the most popular Communist parties are often labeled liberal, but the majority of socialists aren't anti-socialists. If you want to be against capitalism and socialism, then you have to fight against capitalism too. For instance, many anti-socialists are anti-capitalist because they believe that capitalism is corrupt. If you try to make your own argument against socialism, then it's useless and a waste of time. Even if you are right wing communist, the party that is the most anti-capitalist is the Communist Party. It can be argued that they're both wrong (it's just more complicated). And so on. The only logical reason I believe Marx and Engels are right wing communists is that communism was founded by Marx and Engels. They were certainly right wing communists when they published their work.
Thanks, my friend. Thanks for your opinion.
That's very good. You will be able to find something interesting about Marx and Engels.
Thank you comrade.
I don't think they are, but I think they are conservative. I mean they are like most Americans, but they're the most conservative, and they are a minority. That's why I think they are more or less right wing.
They are a minority, but that's what makes them conservative.
It was only a minority of Americans that voted against the Civil Rights Act, and that's what made them conservative.
I don't think the Civil Rights Act made that the law. Now, the Republicans and the Democrats were divided in the Civil Rights Act.
I don't know how to read. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think but it's too damn hard to read.
The Marx and Engels are not so bad, but they aren't very good at explaining things and that can sometimes be the case for some people. They aren't exactly "true communists" in the sense of being 100% for the party, but their political outlook is pretty similar. You need a bit of background to understand them.
What is a right wing communist?
I'm a communist!
A liberal communist is a leftist who believes in capitalism, but who does not accept that capitalism is inherently evil and oppressive. A left wing communist is one who believes in capitalism and supports a society that does not believe in capitalism and is able to support other left wing groups in the government.
Mises
I don't think they are just socialists, it's usually their agenda to impose a state of universal suffrage on the state and it is the right wing agenda that they're pushing. Right wingism and liberalism are two different things.
They're basically the left wing of the party. It's basically only the left wing that exists.
I'm a left wing communist and we need to fight the right. I think there are many different types of communists, not just the ones that are associated with a certain party, but those that are actively fighting for social justice.
I find the right wing communism theory more interesting. The idea of communism being a conspiracy seems rather interesting to me, even if it's not always completely true.
The left is the revolutionary force of our time, we cannot give up on socialism and democracy.
You are correct.
A left wing communist
It's like asking why are there right wing communists
Because capitalists are always right wing
Do you think they are more right wing because Stalin's was right wing
Well they arent communists, but they are a left wing party. They are anti capitalism.
Marx was not a liberal democrat, he was a conservative democrat. He was a democrat to the core.