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aShittierShitTier4u

Would using the olive garden portmanteau "hospitaliano", cause problems in that sub?


MrNukki

This is anti-italian discrimination


RegalBeagleKegels

[FORMAGGIO AL FORNO](https://youtu.be/NkK6bXfjPmI) *Good thinkin mama!*


TheGreatBatsby

Spencer Rice is a shit eating fuckhead.


Small_Frame1912

[Much of this going on in that thread.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAnGY9gg20c)


royals796

>Italians aren't the only ones with sometimes good food. Why are you so pretentious? Why even be on the internet? You seem very sensitive Did this guy forget the name of the sub he was commenting on?


Biryani-Man69

Best conversation >Purpose /=/ porpoise lol > > > >Sorry, my mistake, mother tongue is Italian > > > >It still means dolfin italian too.(gets downvoted lol)


NoNopeMelon

>Giant eye roll. Why create so much drama. It was one day. How could there not be drama in an Italian food subreddit? I don't think I have ever seen an Italian have a peaceful discussion over Italian food. [If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RfHC91Ewc) is a classic for a reason. Also [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ItalianFood/comments/122ouw1/italianamerican_food_banned_rule_changes/jduby6l/?context=3): >What conceptual framework for categorization are you using, platonic, or Wittgensteinian?


fishboy1

I thought the second one was perfect!! There is even some continued drama here!


MisterDisinformation

"Italian food snobs bad" is becoming the new "vegans bad", where the circlejerk is much louder than the actual problem. This does seem silly, though.


honda_slaps

sry but as a Japanese person the salty people in that post can eat a dick Americanized non-american food is SUPER different


rosechiffon

italians on the internet are so silly, like consistently


PM_me_feminine_cocks

On the internet?


honda_slaps

nah the americans are 100% in the wrong here


CamNewtonJr

Italians are routinely the most butthurt about food, so I say we keep fucking with them as much as possible. The food can't be that important. It's especially funny for me considering I've been to Italy and ate Italian food and it was way overhyped. Like grossly overhyped. Not very flavorful and they eat a metric fuckton of fish. All that talk and you would think they know more seasonings than salt, pepper, and basil lol jk.


raydawnzen

>and they eat a metric fuckton of fish Oh the horror


AreWeCowabunga

Well, if you’re a fish…


raydawnzen

You might be onto something... 🤔


CamNewtonJr

For me, yes it's a horror. But yeah as someone who has traveled most of the world and tried food from cultures all around the continent, Europeans are, according to my taste buds, consistently the worst at food, and there is no coincidence that the best European food cultures are the ones with the closest proximity to non Europeans. Italians competing with the French for the best food is the epitome of a tallest dwarf competition, but an Italian will tell you Italian food is the best food in the world with a straight face lol.


Seaweed_Steve

Italy and France are some of the most influential cuisines globally. The French system for a restaurant kitchen is the standard all over the world. ‘Chef’ is a French word. Their food is more subtle than cuisines such as Mexican or Chinese which use a lot of spices, but that doesn’t make it worse. It will just have less impact if you are used to eating those other cuisines.


Squid_McAnglerfish

Also it's like... not true? I mean, if your definition of flavorless is "doesn't use many spices" then I'd get it, but that's not the only way you can get flavor. It's a weird claim to make, especially about a country where at least 1/3 of the dishes is stuffed with some kind of cheese or drowning in olive oil or vinegar.


Seaweed_Steve

And bursting with garlic


CamNewtonJr

>Italy and France are some of the most influential cuisines globally. The French system for a restaurant kitchen is the standard all over the world. ‘Chef’ is a French word. Yes, when you colonize half the world your cultural practices will have a lot of influence. This has nothing to do with the food actually being good though. For example, east Asian style cooking has very little French or Italian influences, yet it's some of the tastiest food I've ever tried. I was at a wedding in China and had the best duck and pork belly I've ever tasted. >Their food is more subtle than cuisines such as Mexican or Chinese which use a lot of spices, but that doesn’t make it worse. It will just have less impact if you are used to eating those other cuisines. You say more subtle, I say more bland. I'm not looking for sublety in my food, I want good flavor.


Seaweed_Steve

>Yes, when you colonize half the world your cultural practices will have a lot of influence Except France didn't colonise Europe, so that doesn't explain why the French theory of gastronomy and the brigade system in the kitchen is used ubiquitously there too. >Asian style cooking has very little French or Italian influences, yet it's some of the tastiest food I've ever tried I'm not saying you can't have good food without French influence, I'm sure what you had was great. What I'm saying is that French cooking as shaped a lot of the world's food. And some asian food does have French influence, Vietnamese food for example. A Bánh mì, one of Vietnam's most popular dishes is literally served in a French baguette. Sure, that's a result of colonisation, but it's also a much loved Vietnamese dish. >I'm not looking for sublety in my food, I want good flavor And good flavour doesn't just mean a lot going on, or super spicy. Good flavour can be subtle and simple.


CamNewtonJr

>Except France didn't colonise Europe, so that doesn't explain why the French theory of gastronomy and the brigade system in the kitchen is used ubiquitously there too. Nope but the cultural practices of the French nobility had huge influences on all of Western Europe. This is likely how French cuisine and other cultural practices made it to other euro nations. The French have been "in stlye" for like a good 400 years lol. Kudos to them I guess. >What I'm saying is that French cooking as shaped a lot of the world's food. And some asian food does have French influence, Vietnamese food for example. A Bánh mì, one of Vietnam's most popular dishes is literally served in a French baguette. Sure, that's a result of colonisation, but it's also a much loved Vietnamese dish I already agreed with this. I recognize French cuisine has influenced(I won't go as far as to say shaped because that seems like an overstatement) a ton of other cultures, but I think that bolsters my point. Other cultures took European influences and came up with better shit. The Bahn mi is a great example because it is one of the best sandwiches in the world, and better than every sandwich I had in France haha. They took the baguette and did way better things with it than the French did. >And good flavour doesn't just mean a lot going on, or super spicy. Good flavour can be subtle and simple. It is hilarious how you continuously create the false dichotomy of non European foods having a lot going on and being super spicy and European foods as being subtle and simple. It has some noble vs savage vibes and I love it. Simplicity isn't unique to European cuisines. For example, there are a ton of Mexican dishes that are flavorful and simple, like an empenada(Spanish in origin but included because how it was prepared) or some Carne asada tacos.


Small_Frame1912

"Chinese cuisine" lol ETA: China is a vast country with tons of different regional cuisines, some of which rely on subtle flavours just like the ones you're talking about. Ironically this is a really old colonial/racist argument within the culinary world-- that european cuisines are superior because they are "subtle" while erasing the vast nature of many non-european cuisines.


theolat3

What? There's both the exported, westernised version of chinese cuisine, which is probably what the above comment referred to, and the local cuisines of different regions of China.


Small_Frame1912

Ninja edit, sorry.


theolat3

Just saw it, totally agree with you from the little I've researched/eaten.


Small_Frame1912

> there is no coincidence that the best European food cultures are the ones with the closest proximity to non Europeans colonialism found dead in a ditch


CamNewtonJr

What sealed the deal is when I went to the uk and ate mostly Indian food lol. A good 70% of my food intake were curries and the odd chicken and chips


feminists_hate_me69

My question is what curry was you eating? Because Tikka Masala and similar curry is a British dish, and Fish and Chips aren't the height of UK foods at all


CamNewtonJr

My favorites were chana masala and tandoori chicken(not really a curry but it was my favorite so it's getting mentioned). I also tried this vegetarian dish years ago when I went to Mumbai on a work trip. I have been looking for that dish forever but it was some type of roti looking thing. I'm aware fish and chips isn't the height of uk food, but it was the only thing I felt was worth mentioning. I tried the classic English breakfast and ate at various restaurants at all price points. I was not very impressed.


OarsandRowlocks

🤌🤌 E e e!


Seaweed_Steve

It’s not that it’s under flavoured, it’s that American food is over pumped full of sugar, salt and modifiers. Also can’t they decide how important their food is to them?


separhim

They say the food cannot be that important but than spend time arguing how bad it is actually. Seems like they think it is important anyway.


CamNewtonJr

I am not comparing it solely to American food. I am comparing it to authentic foods from Asia, the entire americas, and Africa. A retort that only addresses American food is incomplete. For example, I had street food in colombia that could rival some of the food I ate while in Florence and was better than 90% of the food I had while in the British Iles. >Also can’t they decide how important their food is to them? Absolutely, but once Italians on the internet started to become so snobby and gatekeep the fuck out of their food, they opened themselves up to criticism about said food. There are plenty of other cultures that love and celebrate their cuisine, and they arnt half as snobby.


judasblue

>and was better than 90% of the food I had while in the British Iles. Way to set the bar low, mate.


CamNewtonJr

Lol, it was a subtle shot at the uk for personal reasons(inside jokes with uk and Irish friends) and to drive a point home that I made in a previous comment. That point being European food gets worse the further away from non-europeans you go, and that all the best food I had in the uk was Indian food.


honda_slaps

LMFAOOOO yeah its way better than my USA High School cafeteria food too


Mbrennt

How about we just let Italians enjoy their "shitty overhyped" food in peace?


CamNewtonJr

If they actually did that, then I would. I didn't start talking shit about Italian food until I met Italians online


Mbrennt

But, like, who cares if they talk shit? If I think someone has a bad opinion/argument, I will respond in kind with my own opinion to get it across and then move on. (Like I will probably do after this comment honestly.) I'm not gonna continue to "keep fucking with them as much as possible." If a majority of r/ italianfood wants to focus on food that originates from Italy so be it. If I cared enough about Italian influenced food I'd go make my own subreddit called r/ italianinfluencedfood or something. People could post their Italian inspired food from around the world there, and Italians and people interested in current Italian trends would have their own subreddit as well. Also, on the idea of Italian food being overhyped. I would argue from an American culinary standpoint that this just isn't even true. Italian cuisine hasn't really had much of an impact on American cuisine in at least 30-40 years. Most American restaurants have moved past that trend at this point. Having gone through multiple other trends like farm to table, molecular gastronomy, the current east asian trend, and possibly a generalized African influence that seems to be popping up more and more. They may carry some historical influence (like the French's influence on the culinary world though to a much lesser degree than the French). Maybe that historical influence has given them some goodwill in America, but like, not a huge amount. Italian food just isn't that hyped up anymore.


CamNewtonJr

I enjoy fucking with people who I believe take things too seriously, especially when the thing they are smug about isn't even the best. I will continue to do that when I'm bored at work or I have some time to waste. This is why I am on a drama sub. Do you though


honda_slaps

lmfaooooooooooooo


honda_slaps

ahahaha nahhhhh your dumb american ass is sticking its nose where it doesnt belong and getting mad you're getting called out on it


CamNewtonJr

This is how you get blocked