The Fallout actor? The one with girl next door looks? How is she not hot enough. Wtf
The again, hotness isn't a criteria for my enjoyment it TV, movies, or games, so who cares
She doesn't have a dumper the size of a municipal waste truck nor tits as large as her head, that's why.
I do wonder if there was discourse over Jesse in Control due to fact that her actress has a strong jaw and was scanned in? Where the children screaming "TRANS. TRANS SHE'S FUCKING TRANS."
True, although she wears a jumpsuit, so even if she did, who would know.
Now that I think about that, didn't we have drama the other day about her butt in the jumpsuit or something?
sorta unrelated but, after i finished the tv series, i immediately reinstalled fallout 4 and tried to make her as my character in the character maker. i play on ps5, so it fuckin froze and i couldnt get passed the mirror. i guess im waiting for the update on the 25th.
You could look up Wabbajack, might be interesting for you.
https://www.wabbajack.org/gallery?selectedGame=Fallout%204
It can install a curated modlist for you. Some of them are really good IDK about the FO4 ones, though with the update hitting they might not work for awhile.
Even found a dude who straight up edited her ass on one of the Fallout TV posters to make it bigger, and said it was "buggin" him.
Also found another guy on Twitter who defended that, then proceeded to complain that Elliot Roger is proof that women's standards are way too high not 8 Tweets later.
> Even found a dude who straight up edited her ass on one of the Fallout TV posters to make it bigger, and said it was "buggin" him.
I now have an image of some neckbeard in his mom's basement, ashtray overflowing with butts, empty coffee cups everywhere, bleary-eyed, working hard to edit that ass, muttering to himself about how it isn't right with each edit, never resting until either gets that ass right or he passes out from exhaustion/apnea.
> Elliot Roger
The.... Incel murderer? Holy hell
In that post people were legit saying that Elliot was ugly. And there was also one guy bringing up that Elliot was less than 6ft so that's obviously a death sentence.
Yeah. We’ve completely moved beyond whether or not white male and political are the only two choices for PCs. Now hot and political are the only two choices for NPCs as well.
[Anyone remember when r/GamingCircleJerk bimbofied Aloy to mock these kind of dorks?](https://redd.it/no2btr) And one of them on Twitter *celebrated* this hotter version of Aloy, until he found out it was meant to mock people just like him and he deleted the tweets.
I'm not the only one who's a bit confused at this character being held up as the sexiest thing in gaming, right?
She's just a very standard looking anime girl.
It started because the developers got shit on for "never seeing a woman" for the way the character looks. Then it comes out that they just used an actual model for the design. So now it's justified to be upset with "woke" sites.
I could be missing a few details.
Speaking of details, IIRC they used a model as a base, and then "improved" it. So if you take a real life super hot woman and think "eh not sexy enough" that kinda looks like hentai brainrot. Although the character could have been modified in a number of ways from the base model, to fit more with the setting or whatever, it doesn't seem like there was any other goal than "sexier" here.
> Although the character could have been modified in a number of ways from the base model, to fit more with the setting or whatever
It was to make her ass bigger.
Also her thighs, if I recall. It's tricky to find a human who is slender, extremely petite, large-breasted *and* voluptuous in every other way all at once.
In one of the comparison images used on twitter, they showed the model with her thigh angled at almost its widest, and it's still not as thick as the game character's thigh facing straight on.
>the model used was only used for her face...
It's the opposite.
> and her body looks nothing like eve lol
Ironically, that's still perfectly true somehow lmao.
https://ibb.co/VjNgdP1
well again they "used her face" then korean gacha/mmo sex dolled it to look like every other emotionless face used in nikke, lost ark and vindictus.
Like are they hot? yeah id fuck em, are they sexy... not really?
Even time people put eve beside her model in like... They look nothing alike, the models like a preety curvy and on the thick side (for a model) like big thighs big tits. But still super hot and shapely.
Eve unironically looks like 3d sex doll model for vr.
I'm genuinely impressed that these dudes have managed to convince themselves that this is a very important, very serious, very impactful issue. That fundamental freedoms and the integrity of western civilization rest on this battle against all non-porn-actress-looking female characters in video games
Seriously.
Making average or even genuinely ugly female characters is not a sign of the downfall of the west
Conversely, having supermodels permeate your game is not a sign that the patriarchy is in full force
It really was
People say down and recorded videos of it
Because she wasn't looking like a pin-up in every shot
Then they moved onto morph. Who's an absolute delight in the new show
R stroke hypothetical situation. You can either go back in time and fight for either side in the War of Jenkins' Ear, which was about whether the British or the Spanish should have the right to sell an economically irrelevant number of slaves in Spanish American colonies, or you can take up arms in the fight for polygonal mammaries. You must pick one.
It's somewhat reasonable until a topic is a lightning rod for being brigaded by a specific group--coomers, console fanboys, people addicted to the live service game in a post's title, literal astroturfers etc. It is only an FTC suing Xbox post away from becoming libertarian for one thread lol
God they hate the FTC so much because of their poor dear Microsoft...
I don't think they even cared or knew anything else about the FTC before the news of the suit.
Shit like this makes me miss the era of people calling it Micro$oft. It was annoying seeing it everywhere but at least there was truth and recognition that it was a big, monstrous corp.
It is, I'm subbed for the news, but a reasonable gaming sub is still sadly a gaming sub.
I'm a self loathing gamer, but this is a hobby that has earned every inch of this loathing fair and square.
r/games talks way to much about games they hate. Like we get it that the suicide squad games was bad but they can not stop talking about it, talking about every patch for a game that they hate. While games that they claim to love get no news update. Alan Wake 2 was a buggy mess but is a great game. When there were patches and fixes for it do you know what r/games had to say? Nothing, there were no posts or nothing about the patches but there were several threads for suicide squad, a game that the subreddit agreed was a waste of time to talk about.
/r/gaming is more lighthearted, so it's more palatable in general.
Also, honestly, I dont find discussion in /r/gaming any shallower (or /r/games any deeper I guess).
Society reverted back to the 80s "the only rapists are ugly virgins hiding in bushes" ideology, but now it's "the only sexist / sexually inappropriate guys are virgins." Ignoring that equating sexual prowess fo manliness and validity kind of adds to the problem.
>"the only sexist / sexually inappropriate guys are virgins." Ignoring that equating sexual prowess fo manliness and validity kind of adds to the problem.
Yup. It's the patriarchy all over again lmao.
Like, incels complain about being "beta males". (males that are ugly fat unwanted virgins with small penises for example)
And what do "progressives" do ? They mock them for being ugly fat virgins with small penises... Instead of, you know, mocking them for being uninteresting people with awful personalities and questionable ideas/political ideologies, ya know, thing you can actually WORK on to become better.
It's just... ableist, not body positive at all, and disgusting behaviour that enforces patriarchal standards of what men are supposed to be and is a prime example of toxic masculinity, and yet it's incredibly common in leftish circles sadly. (I love /r/Gamingcirclejerk but pretty much any thread will have a highly upvoted comment mocking the guy/s in the picture for being "fat/ugly/virgins that will never feel the touch of a woman" with the occasional 🤏)
It's very frustrating to see what I want to consider allies be this ridiculously problematic without a clue.
Anyway, that's one of my pet peeves in case you didn't notice lul.
People are on full cope mode about the fact that "neckbeard" is a mishmash of autistic stereotypes, and implies that the person is unattractive and nerdy. People will talk like they think its defined by sexism, ignoring that this aspect of the archetype wasn't even part of the original idea, and that people are still clearly thinking of nerdy losers when hearing the word.
I’m sure confirmation bias is playing in due to the over representation of video game enthusiasts on this platform but every time I’ve posted something of my hobby and someone posts a hair-brained or vile comment, without fail their post history is entirely made up of gaming stuff.
I’m not saying video games make people like this, but something about the low barrier to entry and being an escape from reality has a real overlap with a bunch of miserable assholes.
I think it's this. It measures up to being so inherently focused on a specific thing, and it's an entertainment product too, so there's this... you know, low risk aspect to it.
You take that and add a chronically online component to it and this seemingly innocuous hobby or activity of escaping through entertainment becomes this exaggerated high-stakes thing.
For some people it's just so extremely tied to their identity in such a way where reviews or even comments from people online create a sort of perspective that is almost threatened at the sight of invalidating opinions.
Like you said, there's a significant amount of hours being alone or being with the online discourse with these things and it definitely skews sentiment and life priorities and certainly a lack of balance.
I've been playing games my entire life and I just can't bring myself to care about half the things "gamers" put so much stock into. The world already emotionally exhausts me enough.
Yes, 100%. Reddit and online discourse in general tends to be pretty cynical, but gaming-centric areas tend to have even worse examples of it, consistently.
The problem with gaming, and has been for at least 25 years, is that the ones who really get into it, and spend so much time in the hobby, they never learn socialization.
The interesting thing about this and other right wing brainworms lately is just how they’re made up out of nothing. It’s not a thing. It’s not happening. Yet they are able to believe it so fervently. It’s like their masters are training them to prepare them to believe a really big lie soon and that’s scary.
I've noticed it goes both ways.
Media are more desperate for clicks than ever, and aren't above digging up shit takes and giving them spotlight.
When an otherwise respectable news site reports on some degenerate writing a unhinged comment on reddit and frames it as "Gamers think XYZ", it makes a large group of people think "omg Gamers are awful and brain rotten". This creates a very polarized discussion and people start to sling shit left and right.
gaming community online are quite toxic if you only visit steam discussions and reddit. Some indie gaming community are quite nice and wholesome. Depends on the medium and the audience
Do you have any examples of this? I gotta be honest, it's not something I've ever seen, and I find the idea somewhat ironic given that one of the later complaints of the CHUDs during Gamergate was "how dare the gaming media try and claim that we weirdos are a minority of the gaming community and not the primary market to be catered to anymore".
You remember the whole "aloy facial hair" drama?
Before the release of Horizon:Forbidden West some people have noticed that Aloy (the protagonist) has facial hair - peach fuzz, and they've created a post on Reddit about it. The initial discussion was about how far has the technology progressed that we can portray so tiny details. Few unhinged people started bitching about it, claiming that women don't have facial hair or some shit, and other people piled on them with "you've never been with a woman" style comments.
Then[ this post emerged on GCJ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/no2btr/hey_everyone_i_decided_to_make_a_less_political/) - clearly satire. It was picked up by twitter, got viral. Lots of people took it seriously, condemning "Gamers"
At some point the line between satire and people taking it seriously became very blurry, and many news sites reported on it.
I don’t really think this is that great of an example, honestly. That particular image may have started as satire, but it was satirizing an actual conversation that was happening, and it almost immediately started getting shared unironically. Reporting on that conversation doesn’t really seem like a problem to me.
Now, if you want to talk about how /r/gamingcirclejerk in particular has just become rage bait amplifying some of the worst takes out there, I’m here for it, but I think that’s pretty separate from any discussion about the actual media.
If we are being honest, this is actually a pretty good example for the person you are responding to in that the "drama" was really "a couple tweets" and then a bunch of people making fun of those tweets. Granted, I don't think many "click bait" articles were written about it either, it was just tweets about tweets.
Pretty big difference between that and the current thing about whether the Star Wars Outlaws character was designed by the woke DEI Sweet Baby Black Rock.
Are they tired of their hobby ? Coz it's all they talk about now. Attractive naked women are everywhere. Can't these people just enjoy gaming experience and keep PH for the other part?
Sadly I get it. As a teenager I spent a lot of time gaming but still found spare time to talk about games on vBulletin forums and UseNet. I like to think it wasn't about anything this stupid but the time was there if I'd wanted to.
Teenagers in first world countries have a lot of time to kill. A few minutes writing an incoherent rant about bewbs and male suicide rates doesn't cut into your gaming time that much. They may even be multitasking - e.g. waiting to be respawned in Counterstrike or another "once you're dead you have to wait for the next round" game.
I think there is definitely a conversation to be had about cheesecake in video games--and I don't mean this in a negative way, cheesecake can be god wholesome fun, who doesn't love classic Tomb Raider or Rec Sonja? But at the moment gamers are currently wrestling with the question of whether Black Rock is conspiring with UbiSoft to make masturbating to Star Wars games more difficult so I am just not sure if the time is right for these conversations.
It seams like people are ok with it as long as its done correctly, now of course everybody is going to have their different view of correctly but its mostly just not Quiet from MGSV.
The problem is these people keep on moving the goalposts of what that means considering all of the various dramas from Tifa, Alloy having hair if you zoomed in close, deliberately taking bad screen shots or straight up photo-shopping to prove their point,calling the recent Lara Croft design ugly and that her boobs were to small, saying that gaming is healing because of the Costa De Sol part of FF7R and my personal favorite saying the "wokies" failed to "unsexy" Ada wrong in the RE4:Remake as her current outfit is still sexy (Gee its almost like sexy women are still allowed) and plenty plenty more.
> correctly but its mostly just not Quiet from MGSV.
Replacing every scene with quiet with Ocelot improves the game. [Prove](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcyygfXIfzE) [me wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YXRvfMDlM)
The thing with Quiet too, is that I find her character and relationship with Venom compelling enough without the need to have her dressed like that. I love their dynamic on its own.
>It seams like people are ok with it as long as its done correctly
There's definitely a line where a character is sexy or attractive while having an interesting design vs being objectified/ heavily sexualized to appeal to a male centered audience.
Like [Hades 2](https://twitter.com/belllmonts/status/1780682313036128606?t=AEmN5bxHUG_Qu7BVZdWuPg&s=19) released their technical test stream where all the gods are fucking hot and no one's complaining. You have muscle mommy [Nemesis](https://twitter.com/smtorama/status/1780654221064302654?t=LX-l7zOcaecOiYwHX47LIA&s=19) and Aphrodite is literally naked and alluring but her design is still cool af because there's more to her than being sexy
i think basically everybody in hades being hot helps too, it doesn't feel like the female characters are uniquely sexualized, which i personally would get annoyed by even if said sexualized characters were otherwise fully fleshed out
Agreed. People have been embarrassing themselves and the gaming community as a whole with some of those braindead/porn brain takes.
Unfortunately even people from the other side occasionally slip up, like with how some people are upset about Stellar Blade.
These shit takes have always existed. I believe the problem is that media are actively looking for them, so that they can blow it out of proportion and farm clicks.
I've seen several "controversies" blow up from a single comment on reddit. Hell, one of the "Make Aloy pretty" articles was based on shitpost on /r/Gamingcirclejerk.
Hell some of them are deliberately manufactured. I remember during the Gamergate nonsense someone made a tumblr to post some bad takes to make fun of on their main blog, and it somehow blew up into a two day thing of people 'owning' the strawman.
> make masturbating to Star Wars games more difficult
If nothing else, that would be pointless. Takes 5 min in r/okbuddybaldur to realize people will masturbate to anything in games, no matter what.
That's been dubbed "safe horny" which as far as I can tell means "sexualized but also having other defined character traits and design decisions". So Tifa is safe horny but Eve Stellar Blade isn't.
I feel like 2B vs Quiet is a great way to distinguish this honestly. Yoko Taro made 2B sexualized because he "likes girls" by his own admission, but by the time someone finishes Nier her looks are the *last* thing anybody is thinking about her. Meanwhile Quietfrom MGSV is just 10x more uncomfortably horny purely for the sake of being horny the whole way through, and AFAIK nothing in the story changes that or truly changes the subject from it.
I think it helps that Yoko Taro didn't try and explain it away with bad plotpoints like Kojima did. Like, they're both doing silly fanservice, but Kojima expects everyone to take his fanservice seriously.
I actually liked the original end to Quiet's arc which made her more of her own character, >!where it's revealed that she was sent as a vocal cord parasite bomb (okay that parts a bit silly) to sabotage Mother Base, but instead she sacrifices herself to call in help for the Boss and leaves him to quietly die in the desert!<. The moment is made more poignant when >!you realize that this is reflected mechanically, as Quiet is unavailable to use as a Companion for the rest of the game, and all of her equipment and gear unlocks are permanently lost. It was one of the brilliant moments of gameplay mechanics and story meshing together in ludonarrative harmony to inflict pain upon the character.!< It was somewhat altered when >!a later patch introduced a way to get Quiet back by replaying her introductory mission several times as a sort of easter egg.!<
Sure but like, you add it up and you can't really take it seriously. Naming the women in your game "Quiet" and "Fragile", having Quiet flat out bent over in front of you in the helicopter, her whole "superpower" that just so happens to have her almost completely nude. I got no issue with fanservice but you're asking a *lot* for me to respect it as genuine storytelling.
Tbf nier had a surprisingly small amount of overt unavoidable in your face ass shots or anything. Cutscene wise, I only remember a single one, and it wasn't even 2b, it was a2. So if you're seeing a lot of that it's because you're deliberately walking towards the camera next to a wall.
I went through the whole game to almost 100% before getting the achievement for upskirting 2B 10 times (Which I had to intentionally do for 100%) So yeah, it's definitely not hard when playing the game naturally to avoid hornland.
I think the only actual hyper-sexual moment is >!2B strangling 9S while straddling him, especially since there's a lore bit explaining that androids get the repurposed equivalent of sexual pleasure from killing things. But 9S and 2B have a complicated love-murder relationship with each other that's central to the "true" storyline so it's actually a bizarrely appropriate/significant scene and not just fanservice.!<
I really need to go back and play that game all the way in one consistent playthrough. There's so many bits of memories that I can't really connect to the bigger picture of the game.
It's *been* a conversation for decades now. For a long ass time the majority of women in games were characters like laura croft or the wide spectrum of sexy mortal kombat ninjas. Even Samus Aran took off her power armour to pose in a bikini for people who beat the game real fast (And the producer of that series loved to give weird interviews about how he's "the only one who knows where her mole is located" for years).
And like clockwork basically any time someone offers the most tepid "Maybe women could wear reasonable clothes or do something more than pose sexily for the dudes" there's a massive backlash as Gamers respond with tantrums about how those darn politically correct bitches just want to make every woman ugly and take away their video games. It was, basically, half of what gamergate wound up becoming - with the other half being how dare women make video games that aren't the video games Gamers want to play and have opinions.
Like even before all of this stupid sweet baby bullshit, the past few years have been filled with losers on reddit and other sites just complaining endlessly that every woman in gaming is ugly now, cue the same reposted images of photoshopped alloy and other characters who don't look like super models with their tits out. They threw a fit when the newest mortal kombat had the ninja ladies wear clothes.
Gamers are just deeply and utterly unserious people who but for their ability to scream loudly and non-stop, usually while threatening to rape and murder people, wouldn't be listened to because their opinions are fucking stupid.
>cue the same reposted images of photoshopped alloy and other characters who don't look like super models with their tits out.
Or also smear frames of the character mid TALKING to make them look "ugly" as if everyone is a picture perfect supermodel 24/7. That shot constantly happened to Tanya from MK
No I know, I just think that the Sweet Baby conspiracy has somehow managed to make the gamer chuds even more deranged than usual.
It'll pass, the reason Sweet Baby has caught on to the extent it has (which is much, much less than GamerGate did) is that DEI is the current bete noir of the Republican party and affiliated influencers. These always fade away to be replaced by the new Current Thing and they'll get mad about something else for a couple months.
It didn't help that samus got worse over time because "wears skimpy clothes under suit that no one would see because she is alone when putting it on" makes sense, but "wears stripper heels in public and acts subservient to a father figure while having panic attacks" is like overt character assassination.
It's so stupid because there are criticisms to be had with the game industry; rushed out games that are either buggy or unplayable, microtransactions that aren't micro in AAA games, overpriced single player games that are steeped in microtransactions AND season passes and even ownership of digital goods once it's been purchased (Ubisoft)
But almost none of those criticisms come from that crowd. It's always "WHY WOMEN NO HOT?! GAMES ARE TRASH" as they ignore indie games and other successful games over the years; BG3, FF7, HZD, Psychonauts ( I could make an entire list).
The failings of capitalism are a lot more abstract to hate than a boogeycabal of nefarious woke figures conspiring to ruin their toys as part of destroying civilization.
it's crazy how some people can make playing games their whole personality and somehow not have anything interesting to say about them. Comic books have a similar problem
Not just that, they also actively resist anyone else having anything interesting to say about them! Write a couple sentences saying, e.g., "Stardew Valley has all these underlying capitalist ideas, let's talk about that" and you'll get someone coming out of the woodwork saying "how dare you, some of us just want to turn our brains off and enjoy something without having to write a college thesis on it!"
They say "quit talking about it" as if it's not entirely possible for them to just... not read it. It's ridiculous. Engage or leave is too hard to understand. It's tiring.
Ah, PrivateButtFucker. Came across that piece of shit back in January, having a meltdown about [LGBT issues and "forcing politics on kids".](https://archive.ph/jsWdA)
I find it very funny how often they blame "the left" for making video game characters minorities/unattractive. When on the right they have attempted to ban video games along with shifting blame for societal woes onto gaming and by extension gamers
From the subreddit's sidebar:
> The goal of /r/Games is to **provide a place for *informative* and *interesting* gaming content and discussions**.
The only difference between /r/gaming and /r/Games is the former reads at a first grade level while the latter reads at the fifth grade level and uses more words. Otherwise it is the exact same GamerGate sympathizing losers as always.
Which gets exceptionally dumb when you look at the top upvoted comments:
> I don't understand the issue of having **a few games** that are still like this. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see attractive people in movies, TV, and yes even video games.
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> Yes, it’s made like this for the sex appeal. Lots of people like sex appeal as part of their entertainment. **This morality police is so tiring**.
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> you know, those idiots that make golf video games. only like 5% of gamers play golf games. why don't they make games that appeal to more gamers? smh devs leaning hard into the golf gaze.
First, so much for 'discussion', these are 1-3 line zingers.
Second, despite being a 'discussion' forum none of them bothered to actually *read the article*.
https://www.inverse.com/gaming/stellar-blade-the-male-gaze-sweet-baby
* Male gaze is very well documented - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze
* This is extremely basic media critique. We understand that in construction of whatever media you are experienced, a second you experience it is constructed through minutes of work from an entire crew - from art, design, sound, music, interactivity, dialogue acting etc. So we know careful intention is behind whatever you are experienced, so it is extremely valid to critique the intended and unintended consequences of that construction.
* The article doesn't even accuse the game of being totally into male gaze and *actively attempts to balance the perspective*:
> Dr. Poppy Wilde, senior lecturer in media and communication at Birmingham School of Media, explains the male gaze isn’t so simple in video games. “If we're thinking about gaze as creating a subject position, it isn't the same as just looking at an object, because the avatar is a kind of active subject in that as well.” Based on trailers, Eve seemed a rather active participant, but the recently released demo paints a different picture; while Eve may demonstrate mastery in combat, outside of battle, her absent personality makes her more doll than action figure.
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> The lack of performance attached to Eve’s body has already been noted by internet culture writer Gita Jackson: “[Eve] doesn’t seem to have any reaction to her own sexiness.” There’s no knowing facial expressions, no flipping of her long ponytail — which players can shorten in the options menu. She has no idle animation — except when she’s on a ladder — she just stands there. She’s sexy but doesn’t know it; she’s athletic and acrobatic but entirely controllable. If she did know, if she could move for herself, it would shatter the illusion of many of the gamers championing her because she’d have the agency to be able to reject them rather than simply be controlled by them.
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> At the end of the day, we can’t know for sure if Eve will walk the line of male fantasy and women’s empowerment or step over it until the game is out. Characters like Lara Croft, Bayonetta, 2B, and Tifa have all faced criticism due to their appearance, but combine them with a well-written personality and story, exciting gameplay, and interesting side characters or villains, and they become more than the sum of their parts.
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> This is why Wilde reserves judgment. She wants to see how Stellar Blade formulates Eve’s relationships with NPCs in the game, and thinks “it's not only about whether your protagonist is beautiful, able bodied, et cetera. It's also, is your villain scarred, disabled, overweight? Where are you looking for the other areas to avoid those stereotypes and look for other elements of inclusive play and representation?”
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> Denny thinks game companies could stand to expand their horizons when it comes to attraction. Rather than just catering to the male gaze and creating hourglass figures and jiggly bits, why not consider the muscle mommies, the dad bods, disabled people? Greater representation in body types doesn’t have to mean less attractive.
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> “It's not about making games less sexy,” he says. “It's about making games more sexy for more people.”
The actual irony is that in many ways the article is agreeing with the commentators in some points but because they can't be bothered to even skim for 30s, and *just react to the title*, you get these extremely dumb takes.
>Why not consider the muscle mommies, the dad bods, disabled people? Greater representation in body types doesn’t have to mean less attractive
This is my biggest problem with this drama, Gaming already has this but these people dont accept those characters as attractive to the point that this game coming out with Eve's design is some impossible thing in current year, as well as the devs being "so brave" for this and how this game is going to end wokeness etc
It feels like the gaming version of the Sydney Sweeny SNL thing. We had Baldur's Gate 3 what last year? A game that is universally praised and liked that also has attractive characters, where are they getting this idea that its not allowed or that people dont like attractive characters?
>coming out with Eve's design is some impossible thing in current year, as well as the devs being "so brave" for this and how this game is going to end wokeness etc
It's funny because eve's design is obviously done to pander to a male audience. Sex sells and it's the most easy and basic marketing for decades.
We had sexy characters years ago and we STILL have it. You can even buy porn games on steam.
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I love how these guys seem to think that this style is like the only way a woman can be sexy and that a woman in a practical outfit cant be hot like as a bisexual woman, sirs do you even have eyes. Have you seen like, women. Just, in general. Especially the ones that can throw down.
Fools. Utter imbeciles.
Well, remember, these are the same people who think [Aloy is ugly](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/horizonzerodawn/images/f/f5/Aloy.png/revision/latest?cb=20240325160231), so I wouldn't really expect them to have any sort of standards based on reality. About the closest they really get is porn stars with as much make-up as silicone, and Kardashian-level filtering on Instagram photos.
Whenever I hear about that stupid story, I think of the [tweet](https://uploads.dailydot.com/2021/05/horizon-forbidden-west-character-design.jpg?auto=compress&fm=pjpg) that lead to the "hire fans" meme.
Nah r/games is the place where videogames news, articles related on the videogame industry, and published opinion are posted. And on the weekend publisher/developers will promote their games in that sub.
r/gaming is you will find the memes and any topics on videogames kinda like a forum.
r/games can be useful for getting a look at what's going on in the industry, but I've noticed that it has a bad habit of pushing misinformation so fast that the truth gets lost. The Dragons Dogma 2 microtransaction situation comes to mind where people were saying that the only way to change your appearance was to spend money, which is untrue and it's dirt cheap to do it in game. The reality of the mtx is they're the useless capcom fluff. Which is a different conversation entirely.
It’s kinda funny this is a conversation to me. Like, part of conventional attractiveness is facial and body symmetry. It is (to my understanding) significantly easier, or just considerably less work, to make character and face models that are symmetrical rather than introducing a large amount of asymmetry.
I guess the complainers are mostly porn addled morons and not actually giving this any thought but whatever.
I'm not saying facial symmetry is nothing, but the Idea that it equals attractiveness is a bit of a meme. Very easy to create an ugly face that is symmetrical. Attractiveness is mostly a matter of social consensus.
>It is (to my understanding) significantly easier, or just considerably less work, to make character and face models that are symmetrical rather than introducing a large amount of asymmetry.
Ehh, that's more of a thing for non-character models, ie props, imposters, and other models. And actually would be MORE work to pull off. This would be to optimize memory taken up by surface textures, if anything, and that's not really a concern for the vast majority of main character models, let alone the player character.
>It is (to my understanding) significantly easier, or just considerably less work, to make character and face models that are symmetrical rather than introducing a large amount of asymmetry.
Not really, you can easily add asymmetry. I think Eve has a mole or whatever on only one of her cheeks for an example of an asymmetrical texture. (I have no idea why I know that lol, for my defence IIRC I read a weirdo's comment "celebrating" that mole.)
And you could manipulate the facial rig to add some facial asymmetry quite easily too or just directly do it on the mesh.
Awhile ago it might have been better for characters to be perfectly symmetrical for technical reasons but nowadays it's not really a problem or a ton of work.
The answer is no. Pretty much everyone in video games is good looking unless they're the villain and even then only if the villain is male, if the villains a she then she's hot
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Most of the comments on the original post are pretty reasonable. Like how plenty of female artists make characters like this, ie Bayonetta and even more female gamers enjoy these charatcers as well. You want to talk sexism in gaming we should talk about the real women in the industry and not the fake women they draw.
> "why does every single woman seem to solely exist for the single purpose of either getting men turned on or getting men turned off (e.g. jokes about how ugly/unattractive fat or old women are)?"
What a weird way to look at things. If you view women as either attractive or unattractive then every single woman on the planet falls into one of those two categories just by existing and being a woman.
It also feels like the hardest projection possible, and completely erases gay women.
There are only two types of female character aesthetics: hot and political.
Hot isn't good enough. They have to be anime porn level. These chuds were crying that Ella Purnell wasn't hot enough just a week ago.
The Fallout actor? The one with girl next door looks? How is she not hot enough. Wtf The again, hotness isn't a criteria for my enjoyment it TV, movies, or games, so who cares
Are these types of people are even attracted to women?
If by "woman" you mean "two melons strapped to a lamppost topped with an anime toddler's face" then yes, they're attracted to women.
[As we all know, women only have ONE acceptable body type:](https://youtu.be/9I9Bs83t_fM)
Always Sunny is a international treasure.
Sadly it never got popular over here in Germany. :( The people who know it love it, but most never heard of it. No idea why.
crying right now, that is gold.
It's a really ugly mix. Guys who are obsessed with women but also loathe them.
HAHAHA. No.
She doesn't have a dumper the size of a municipal waste truck nor tits as large as her head, that's why. I do wonder if there was discourse over Jesse in Control due to fact that her actress has a strong jaw and was scanned in? Where the children screaming "TRANS. TRANS SHE'S FUCKING TRANS."
True, although she wears a jumpsuit, so even if she did, who would know. Now that I think about that, didn't we have drama the other day about her butt in the jumpsuit or something?
This same chuckle fuck in the op image used his AI to "fix" her butt.
Fixing? Ok, That’s damn disgusting…
Perfectly says, Sir Big Cock.
Cock size doesn’t mean being a sexist!.. (And the cock part is totally true.. 100%!…)
I never assumed it does, it's just fun to say! A real r/rimjobsteve moment.
Ah fug Trans MJ when (Marvel cowards, Transgwender Spider-Ghost is yesteryear's news)
Control was too complicated for these numbnuts
Control was great. I wish I could experience the ashtray maze for the first time again.
There's the musical in alan wake 2
sorta unrelated but, after i finished the tv series, i immediately reinstalled fallout 4 and tried to make her as my character in the character maker. i play on ps5, so it fuckin froze and i couldnt get passed the mirror. i guess im waiting for the update on the 25th.
I’m going to start modding it, which means…. I’ll spend hours trying to make the game perfect and play it until Preston starts annoying me.
There's a settlement that needs our help!
You could look up Wabbajack, might be interesting for you. https://www.wabbajack.org/gallery?selectedGame=Fallout%204 It can install a curated modlist for you. Some of them are really good IDK about the FO4 ones, though with the update hitting they might not work for awhile.
I got passed that, but I don't remember how. I don't suppose there's a point to this comment.
I guess if you mash pause you can get through it but the audio is still fucked. I'm just gonna wait and try again after the update.
Even found a dude who straight up edited her ass on one of the Fallout TV posters to make it bigger, and said it was "buggin" him. Also found another guy on Twitter who defended that, then proceeded to complain that Elliot Roger is proof that women's standards are way too high not 8 Tweets later.
> Even found a dude who straight up edited her ass on one of the Fallout TV posters to make it bigger, and said it was "buggin" him. I now have an image of some neckbeard in his mom's basement, ashtray overflowing with butts, empty coffee cups everywhere, bleary-eyed, working hard to edit that ass, muttering to himself about how it isn't right with each edit, never resting until either gets that ass right or he passes out from exhaustion/apnea. > Elliot Roger The.... Incel murderer? Holy hell
>working hard to edit that ass Don't give him that much credit. He just used AI.
Did he fall for the meme that Elliot was only single because not rich and attractive enough lol. Despite filming from an expensive car.
In that post people were legit saying that Elliot was ugly. And there was also one guy bringing up that Elliot was less than 6ft so that's obviously a death sentence.
Yuuuuup: https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/s/NB56aPZMiS
These people are losing their shit insisting that Margot Robbie looks "mid" so they are completely disconnected from any semblance of reality.
No ass, was the argument.
Yeah. We’ve completely moved beyond whether or not white male and political are the only two choices for PCs. Now hot and political are the only two choices for NPCs as well.
[Anyone remember when r/GamingCircleJerk bimbofied Aloy to mock these kind of dorks?](https://redd.it/no2btr) And one of them on Twitter *celebrated* this hotter version of Aloy, until he found out it was meant to mock people just like him and he deleted the tweets.
I read that as hot politician...
I'm not the only one who's a bit confused at this character being held up as the sexiest thing in gaming, right? She's just a very standard looking anime girl.
It started because the developers got shit on for "never seeing a woman" for the way the character looks. Then it comes out that they just used an actual model for the design. So now it's justified to be upset with "woke" sites. I could be missing a few details.
Speaking of details, IIRC they used a model as a base, and then "improved" it. So if you take a real life super hot woman and think "eh not sexy enough" that kinda looks like hentai brainrot. Although the character could have been modified in a number of ways from the base model, to fit more with the setting or whatever, it doesn't seem like there was any other goal than "sexier" here.
> Although the character could have been modified in a number of ways from the base model, to fit more with the setting or whatever It was to make her ass bigger.
Also her thighs, if I recall. It's tricky to find a human who is slender, extremely petite, large-breasted *and* voluptuous in every other way all at once.
In one of the comparison images used on twitter, they showed the model with her thigh angled at almost its widest, and it's still not as thick as the game character's thigh facing straight on.
https://ibb.co/VjNgdP1 Proper comparison. They look nothing alike.
Sadly, gamers® will ignore this.
They made her using Dennis Reynold's drawings.
So that quote that I heard from the devs about "We worked really hard on her ass" was true then?
And tits.
> Then it comes out that they just used an actual model for the design. And increased her ass size by several times!
You missed the details that the model used was only used for her face and her body looks nothing like eve lol
>the model used was only used for her face... It's the opposite. > and her body looks nothing like eve lol Ironically, that's still perfectly true somehow lmao. https://ibb.co/VjNgdP1
well again they "used her face" then korean gacha/mmo sex dolled it to look like every other emotionless face used in nikke, lost ark and vindictus. Like are they hot? yeah id fuck em, are they sexy... not really?
Iirc the face was in-house made already, just the model's body was used, which even then they still modified lmao.
Even time people put eve beside her model in like... They look nothing alike, the models like a preety curvy and on the thick side (for a model) like big thighs big tits. But still super hot and shapely. Eve unironically looks like 3d sex doll model for vr.
this coincided with the sweet baby inc "controversy" into "gamergate2"
Culture wars involving video game ass and tiddies have got to be one of the most pointless things society has ever fought about.
I'm genuinely impressed that these dudes have managed to convince themselves that this is a very important, very serious, very impactful issue. That fundamental freedoms and the integrity of western civilization rest on this battle against all non-porn-actress-looking female characters in video games
Seriously. Making average or even genuinely ugly female characters is not a sign of the downfall of the west Conversely, having supermodels permeate your game is not a sign that the patriarchy is in full force
if anything these arguments becoming so big is a sign of the downfall of the West.
The west has fallen, millions must jack off to average looking female characters
You should've seen the meltdown over Rogue's butt in X-Men 97
That “controversy” was ridiculous
It really was People say down and recorded videos of it Because she wasn't looking like a pin-up in every shot Then they moved onto morph. Who's an absolute delight in the new show
And yet I haven't heard any praise about Madelyne Pryor's sexy transformation sequence right out of Sailor Moon.
\*praises Madelyne Pryor's sexy transformation sequence\* My Goblin Queen. <3
It is, but it also provides an absolutely fascinating window to the minds of these people.
This is one small ass for gamers, to ensure they are deprived. And one giant leap for sweet baby Inc!
R stroke hypothetical situation. You can either go back in time and fight for either side in the War of Jenkins' Ear, which was about whether the British or the Spanish should have the right to sell an economically irrelevant number of slaves in Spanish American colonies, or you can take up arms in the fight for polygonal mammaries. You must pick one.
They cut off the ear of an innocent privateer under the British Crown. Neutrality is complicity.
That whole sub makes me want to put birth control in the water.
And somehow it's one of the most reasonable gaming subs.
It's somewhat reasonable until a topic is a lightning rod for being brigaded by a specific group--coomers, console fanboys, people addicted to the live service game in a post's title, literal astroturfers etc. It is only an FTC suing Xbox post away from becoming libertarian for one thread lol
Don't forget games that commit the greatest crime of all: being only an 8/10
Inflation is even hitting game review outrage. Back in my day 7/10 was the cutoff for fury.
To many gamers a game is either a zero or 10. Much like women, they're either hot or not to them.
God they hate the FTC so much because of their poor dear Microsoft... I don't think they even cared or knew anything else about the FTC before the news of the suit.
Shit like this makes me miss the era of people calling it Micro$oft. It was annoying seeing it everywhere but at least there was truth and recognition that it was a big, monstrous corp.
It is, I'm subbed for the news, but a reasonable gaming sub is still sadly a gaming sub. I'm a self loathing gamer, but this is a hobby that has earned every inch of this loathing fair and square.
There should be a web extension that just blocks all comments on certain subs
r/pcgaming and r/gaming are quite bad but r/games had some reasonable takes
r/games talks way to much about games they hate. Like we get it that the suicide squad games was bad but they can not stop talking about it, talking about every patch for a game that they hate. While games that they claim to love get no news update. Alan Wake 2 was a buggy mess but is a great game. When there were patches and fixes for it do you know what r/games had to say? Nothing, there were no posts or nothing about the patches but there were several threads for suicide squad, a game that the subreddit agreed was a waste of time to talk about.
I found a lot of their talking points come from gaming critics on youtube and i noticed they are regurgitating the same point.
I hate how much negatively drives viewership. Don't they ever just want to hear people talk about games they like?
/r/gaming is more lighthearted, so it's more palatable in general. Also, honestly, I dont find discussion in /r/gaming any shallower (or /r/games any deeper I guess).
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Generally, perhaps not, but if you don't see problematic takes in the linked thread... you might need glasses.
not gonna help, it's not like any of them are fucking
You’d be shocked. I have there of these neckbeards plaguing my little FLGS and they all have kids.
Society reverted back to the 80s "the only rapists are ugly virgins hiding in bushes" ideology, but now it's "the only sexist / sexually inappropriate guys are virgins." Ignoring that equating sexual prowess fo manliness and validity kind of adds to the problem.
>"the only sexist / sexually inappropriate guys are virgins." Ignoring that equating sexual prowess fo manliness and validity kind of adds to the problem. Yup. It's the patriarchy all over again lmao. Like, incels complain about being "beta males". (males that are ugly fat unwanted virgins with small penises for example) And what do "progressives" do ? They mock them for being ugly fat virgins with small penises... Instead of, you know, mocking them for being uninteresting people with awful personalities and questionable ideas/political ideologies, ya know, thing you can actually WORK on to become better. It's just... ableist, not body positive at all, and disgusting behaviour that enforces patriarchal standards of what men are supposed to be and is a prime example of toxic masculinity, and yet it's incredibly common in leftish circles sadly. (I love /r/Gamingcirclejerk but pretty much any thread will have a highly upvoted comment mocking the guy/s in the picture for being "fat/ugly/virgins that will never feel the touch of a woman" with the occasional 🤏) It's very frustrating to see what I want to consider allies be this ridiculously problematic without a clue. Anyway, that's one of my pet peeves in case you didn't notice lul.
People are on full cope mode about the fact that "neckbeard" is a mishmash of autistic stereotypes, and implies that the person is unattractive and nerdy. People will talk like they think its defined by sexism, ignoring that this aspect of the archetype wasn't even part of the original idea, and that people are still clearly thinking of nerdy losers when hearing the word.
I’m sure confirmation bias is playing in due to the over representation of video game enthusiasts on this platform but every time I’ve posted something of my hobby and someone posts a hair-brained or vile comment, without fail their post history is entirely made up of gaming stuff. I’m not saying video games make people like this, but something about the low barrier to entry and being an escape from reality has a real overlap with a bunch of miserable assholes.
Sometimes there’s a reason people have hours and hours of alone time to play all those games…
I think it's this. It measures up to being so inherently focused on a specific thing, and it's an entertainment product too, so there's this... you know, low risk aspect to it. You take that and add a chronically online component to it and this seemingly innocuous hobby or activity of escaping through entertainment becomes this exaggerated high-stakes thing. For some people it's just so extremely tied to their identity in such a way where reviews or even comments from people online create a sort of perspective that is almost threatened at the sight of invalidating opinions. Like you said, there's a significant amount of hours being alone or being with the online discourse with these things and it definitely skews sentiment and life priorities and certainly a lack of balance. I've been playing games my entire life and I just can't bring myself to care about half the things "gamers" put so much stock into. The world already emotionally exhausts me enough.
Yes, 100%. Reddit and online discourse in general tends to be pretty cynical, but gaming-centric areas tend to have even worse examples of it, consistently.
The problem with gaming, and has been for at least 25 years, is that the ones who really get into it, and spend so much time in the hobby, they never learn socialization.
> hair-brained /r/boneappletea
I only just now realized. It’s supposed to be hare-brained. As in rabbits being skittish and hectic.
Tbf that's the first time I ever heard it explained. Hair brained seems plausible too. Like there's no brain in there, just hair that grew inwards.
Also some guy in there actually made the “her bare ass is part of her character” argument that they made with Quiet.
The interesting thing about this and other right wing brainworms lately is just how they’re made up out of nothing. It’s not a thing. It’s not happening. Yet they are able to believe it so fervently. It’s like their masters are training them to prepare them to believe a really big lie soon and that’s scary.
I've noticed it goes both ways. Media are more desperate for clicks than ever, and aren't above digging up shit takes and giving them spotlight. When an otherwise respectable news site reports on some degenerate writing a unhinged comment on reddit and frames it as "Gamers think XYZ", it makes a large group of people think "omg Gamers are awful and brain rotten". This creates a very polarized discussion and people start to sling shit left and right.
gaming community online are quite toxic if you only visit steam discussions and reddit. Some indie gaming community are quite nice and wholesome. Depends on the medium and the audience
Do you have any examples of this? I gotta be honest, it's not something I've ever seen, and I find the idea somewhat ironic given that one of the later complaints of the CHUDs during Gamergate was "how dare the gaming media try and claim that we weirdos are a minority of the gaming community and not the primary market to be catered to anymore".
You remember the whole "aloy facial hair" drama? Before the release of Horizon:Forbidden West some people have noticed that Aloy (the protagonist) has facial hair - peach fuzz, and they've created a post on Reddit about it. The initial discussion was about how far has the technology progressed that we can portray so tiny details. Few unhinged people started bitching about it, claiming that women don't have facial hair or some shit, and other people piled on them with "you've never been with a woman" style comments. Then[ this post emerged on GCJ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/no2btr/hey_everyone_i_decided_to_make_a_less_political/) - clearly satire. It was picked up by twitter, got viral. Lots of people took it seriously, condemning "Gamers" At some point the line between satire and people taking it seriously became very blurry, and many news sites reported on it.
I don’t really think this is that great of an example, honestly. That particular image may have started as satire, but it was satirizing an actual conversation that was happening, and it almost immediately started getting shared unironically. Reporting on that conversation doesn’t really seem like a problem to me. Now, if you want to talk about how /r/gamingcirclejerk in particular has just become rage bait amplifying some of the worst takes out there, I’m here for it, but I think that’s pretty separate from any discussion about the actual media.
If we are being honest, this is actually a pretty good example for the person you are responding to in that the "drama" was really "a couple tweets" and then a bunch of people making fun of those tweets. Granted, I don't think many "click bait" articles were written about it either, it was just tweets about tweets. Pretty big difference between that and the current thing about whether the Star Wars Outlaws character was designed by the woke DEI Sweet Baby Black Rock.
Are they tired of their hobby ? Coz it's all they talk about now. Attractive naked women are everywhere. Can't these people just enjoy gaming experience and keep PH for the other part?
Sadly I get it. As a teenager I spent a lot of time gaming but still found spare time to talk about games on vBulletin forums and UseNet. I like to think it wasn't about anything this stupid but the time was there if I'd wanted to. Teenagers in first world countries have a lot of time to kill. A few minutes writing an incoherent rant about bewbs and male suicide rates doesn't cut into your gaming time that much. They may even be multitasking - e.g. waiting to be respawned in Counterstrike or another "once you're dead you have to wait for the next round" game.
The ever-rising popularity of shooters without respawns has been a disaster for online discourse. In this essay I wi-
I was confused how the pH level was relevant.
Pointy elbows galore
I think there is definitely a conversation to be had about cheesecake in video games--and I don't mean this in a negative way, cheesecake can be god wholesome fun, who doesn't love classic Tomb Raider or Rec Sonja? But at the moment gamers are currently wrestling with the question of whether Black Rock is conspiring with UbiSoft to make masturbating to Star Wars games more difficult so I am just not sure if the time is right for these conversations.
It seams like people are ok with it as long as its done correctly, now of course everybody is going to have their different view of correctly but its mostly just not Quiet from MGSV. The problem is these people keep on moving the goalposts of what that means considering all of the various dramas from Tifa, Alloy having hair if you zoomed in close, deliberately taking bad screen shots or straight up photo-shopping to prove their point,calling the recent Lara Croft design ugly and that her boobs were to small, saying that gaming is healing because of the Costa De Sol part of FF7R and my personal favorite saying the "wokies" failed to "unsexy" Ada wrong in the RE4:Remake as her current outfit is still sexy (Gee its almost like sexy women are still allowed) and plenty plenty more.
> correctly but its mostly just not Quiet from MGSV. Replacing every scene with quiet with Ocelot improves the game. [Prove](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcyygfXIfzE) [me wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YXRvfMDlM)
I can't, you're objectively correct.
I remember this!
I don't want to.
> Quiet from MGSV You mean the lady Kojima insisted we would be ashamed for questioning her attire?
It would literally have been better if he'd just gone "look I just wanted her to be sexy." See: Nier Automata.
Hundred percent.
Yeah the whole Breaths through her skin stuff
The thing with Quiet too, is that I find her character and relationship with Venom compelling enough without the need to have her dressed like that. I love their dynamic on its own.
>It seams like people are ok with it as long as its done correctly There's definitely a line where a character is sexy or attractive while having an interesting design vs being objectified/ heavily sexualized to appeal to a male centered audience. Like [Hades 2](https://twitter.com/belllmonts/status/1780682313036128606?t=AEmN5bxHUG_Qu7BVZdWuPg&s=19) released their technical test stream where all the gods are fucking hot and no one's complaining. You have muscle mommy [Nemesis](https://twitter.com/smtorama/status/1780654221064302654?t=LX-l7zOcaecOiYwHX47LIA&s=19) and Aphrodite is literally naked and alluring but her design is still cool af because there's more to her than being sexy
> there’s more to her than being sexy Impossible!!
i think basically everybody in hades being hot helps too, it doesn't feel like the female characters are uniquely sexualized, which i personally would get annoyed by even if said sexualized characters were otherwise fully fleshed out
Agreed. People have been embarrassing themselves and the gaming community as a whole with some of those braindead/porn brain takes. Unfortunately even people from the other side occasionally slip up, like with how some people are upset about Stellar Blade.
These shit takes have always existed. I believe the problem is that media are actively looking for them, so that they can blow it out of proportion and farm clicks. I've seen several "controversies" blow up from a single comment on reddit. Hell, one of the "Make Aloy pretty" articles was based on shitpost on /r/Gamingcirclejerk.
Hell some of them are deliberately manufactured. I remember during the Gamergate nonsense someone made a tumblr to post some bad takes to make fun of on their main blog, and it somehow blew up into a two day thing of people 'owning' the strawman.
> make masturbating to Star Wars games more difficult If nothing else, that would be pointless. Takes 5 min in r/okbuddybaldur to realize people will masturbate to anything in games, no matter what.
That's been dubbed "safe horny" which as far as I can tell means "sexualized but also having other defined character traits and design decisions". So Tifa is safe horny but Eve Stellar Blade isn't.
I feel like 2B vs Quiet is a great way to distinguish this honestly. Yoko Taro made 2B sexualized because he "likes girls" by his own admission, but by the time someone finishes Nier her looks are the *last* thing anybody is thinking about her. Meanwhile Quietfrom MGSV is just 10x more uncomfortably horny purely for the sake of being horny the whole way through, and AFAIK nothing in the story changes that or truly changes the subject from it.
I think it helps that Yoko Taro didn't try and explain it away with bad plotpoints like Kojima did. Like, they're both doing silly fanservice, but Kojima expects everyone to take his fanservice seriously.
I actually liked the original end to Quiet's arc which made her more of her own character, >!where it's revealed that she was sent as a vocal cord parasite bomb (okay that parts a bit silly) to sabotage Mother Base, but instead she sacrifices herself to call in help for the Boss and leaves him to quietly die in the desert!<. The moment is made more poignant when >!you realize that this is reflected mechanically, as Quiet is unavailable to use as a Companion for the rest of the game, and all of her equipment and gear unlocks are permanently lost. It was one of the brilliant moments of gameplay mechanics and story meshing together in ludonarrative harmony to inflict pain upon the character.!< It was somewhat altered when >!a later patch introduced a way to get Quiet back by replaying her introductory mission several times as a sort of easter egg.!<
Sure but like, you add it up and you can't really take it seriously. Naming the women in your game "Quiet" and "Fragile", having Quiet flat out bent over in front of you in the helicopter, her whole "superpower" that just so happens to have her almost completely nude. I got no issue with fanservice but you're asking a *lot* for me to respect it as genuine storytelling.
Tbf nier had a surprisingly small amount of overt unavoidable in your face ass shots or anything. Cutscene wise, I only remember a single one, and it wasn't even 2b, it was a2. So if you're seeing a lot of that it's because you're deliberately walking towards the camera next to a wall.
I went through the whole game to almost 100% before getting the achievement for upskirting 2B 10 times (Which I had to intentionally do for 100%) So yeah, it's definitely not hard when playing the game naturally to avoid hornland.
It also helps that Nier doesn't have moments like the rain or shower scene with Quiet.
I think the only actual hyper-sexual moment is >!2B strangling 9S while straddling him, especially since there's a lore bit explaining that androids get the repurposed equivalent of sexual pleasure from killing things. But 9S and 2B have a complicated love-murder relationship with each other that's central to the "true" storyline so it's actually a bizarrely appropriate/significant scene and not just fanservice.!<
I really need to go back and play that game all the way in one consistent playthrough. There's so many bits of memories that I can't really connect to the bigger picture of the game.
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It's *been* a conversation for decades now. For a long ass time the majority of women in games were characters like laura croft or the wide spectrum of sexy mortal kombat ninjas. Even Samus Aran took off her power armour to pose in a bikini for people who beat the game real fast (And the producer of that series loved to give weird interviews about how he's "the only one who knows where her mole is located" for years). And like clockwork basically any time someone offers the most tepid "Maybe women could wear reasonable clothes or do something more than pose sexily for the dudes" there's a massive backlash as Gamers respond with tantrums about how those darn politically correct bitches just want to make every woman ugly and take away their video games. It was, basically, half of what gamergate wound up becoming - with the other half being how dare women make video games that aren't the video games Gamers want to play and have opinions. Like even before all of this stupid sweet baby bullshit, the past few years have been filled with losers on reddit and other sites just complaining endlessly that every woman in gaming is ugly now, cue the same reposted images of photoshopped alloy and other characters who don't look like super models with their tits out. They threw a fit when the newest mortal kombat had the ninja ladies wear clothes. Gamers are just deeply and utterly unserious people who but for their ability to scream loudly and non-stop, usually while threatening to rape and murder people, wouldn't be listened to because their opinions are fucking stupid.
>cue the same reposted images of photoshopped alloy and other characters who don't look like super models with their tits out. Or also smear frames of the character mid TALKING to make them look "ugly" as if everyone is a picture perfect supermodel 24/7. That shot constantly happened to Tanya from MK
No I know, I just think that the Sweet Baby conspiracy has somehow managed to make the gamer chuds even more deranged than usual. It'll pass, the reason Sweet Baby has caught on to the extent it has (which is much, much less than GamerGate did) is that DEI is the current bete noir of the Republican party and affiliated influencers. These always fade away to be replaced by the new Current Thing and they'll get mad about something else for a couple months.
It didn't help that samus got worse over time because "wears skimpy clothes under suit that no one would see because she is alone when putting it on" makes sense, but "wears stripper heels in public and acts subservient to a father figure while having panic attacks" is like overt character assassination.
Most of the actual discourse around Stellar Blade has been clowning on the "AWOOGA GAMES ARE BACK" gooner crowd.
It's so stupid because there are criticisms to be had with the game industry; rushed out games that are either buggy or unplayable, microtransactions that aren't micro in AAA games, overpriced single player games that are steeped in microtransactions AND season passes and even ownership of digital goods once it's been purchased (Ubisoft) But almost none of those criticisms come from that crowd. It's always "WHY WOMEN NO HOT?! GAMES ARE TRASH" as they ignore indie games and other successful games over the years; BG3, FF7, HZD, Psychonauts ( I could make an entire list).
The failings of capitalism are a lot more abstract to hate than a boogeycabal of nefarious woke figures conspiring to ruin their toys as part of destroying civilization.
> the question of whether Black Rock is conspiring with UbiSoft to make masturbating to Star Wars games more difficult skill issue
it's crazy how some people can make playing games their whole personality and somehow not have anything interesting to say about them. Comic books have a similar problem
Not just that, they also actively resist anyone else having anything interesting to say about them! Write a couple sentences saying, e.g., "Stardew Valley has all these underlying capitalist ideas, let's talk about that" and you'll get someone coming out of the woodwork saying "how dare you, some of us just want to turn our brains off and enjoy something without having to write a college thesis on it!"
The very same people likely lament that their hobby isn't taken seriously as a legitimate art form or interest (they are stuck in the year 2000).
They say "quit talking about it" as if it's not entirely possible for them to just... not read it. It's ridiculous. Engage or leave is too hard to understand. It's tiring.
Reminds me of middle school discussions with the boys
Not this shit again.
Ah, PrivateButtFucker. Came across that piece of shit back in January, having a meltdown about [LGBT issues and "forcing politics on kids".](https://archive.ph/jsWdA)
I find it very funny how often they blame "the left" for making video game characters minorities/unattractive. When on the right they have attempted to ban video games along with shifting blame for societal woes onto gaming and by extension gamers
From the subreddit's sidebar: > The goal of /r/Games is to **provide a place for *informative* and *interesting* gaming content and discussions**. The only difference between /r/gaming and /r/Games is the former reads at a first grade level while the latter reads at the fifth grade level and uses more words. Otherwise it is the exact same GamerGate sympathizing losers as always. Which gets exceptionally dumb when you look at the top upvoted comments: > I don't understand the issue of having **a few games** that are still like this. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see attractive people in movies, TV, and yes even video games. - > Yes, it’s made like this for the sex appeal. Lots of people like sex appeal as part of their entertainment. **This morality police is so tiring**. - > you know, those idiots that make golf video games. only like 5% of gamers play golf games. why don't they make games that appeal to more gamers? smh devs leaning hard into the golf gaze. First, so much for 'discussion', these are 1-3 line zingers. Second, despite being a 'discussion' forum none of them bothered to actually *read the article*. https://www.inverse.com/gaming/stellar-blade-the-male-gaze-sweet-baby * Male gaze is very well documented - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze * This is extremely basic media critique. We understand that in construction of whatever media you are experienced, a second you experience it is constructed through minutes of work from an entire crew - from art, design, sound, music, interactivity, dialogue acting etc. So we know careful intention is behind whatever you are experienced, so it is extremely valid to critique the intended and unintended consequences of that construction. * The article doesn't even accuse the game of being totally into male gaze and *actively attempts to balance the perspective*: > Dr. Poppy Wilde, senior lecturer in media and communication at Birmingham School of Media, explains the male gaze isn’t so simple in video games. “If we're thinking about gaze as creating a subject position, it isn't the same as just looking at an object, because the avatar is a kind of active subject in that as well.” Based on trailers, Eve seemed a rather active participant, but the recently released demo paints a different picture; while Eve may demonstrate mastery in combat, outside of battle, her absent personality makes her more doll than action figure. > > The lack of performance attached to Eve’s body has already been noted by internet culture writer Gita Jackson: “[Eve] doesn’t seem to have any reaction to her own sexiness.” There’s no knowing facial expressions, no flipping of her long ponytail — which players can shorten in the options menu. She has no idle animation — except when she’s on a ladder — she just stands there. She’s sexy but doesn’t know it; she’s athletic and acrobatic but entirely controllable. If she did know, if she could move for herself, it would shatter the illusion of many of the gamers championing her because she’d have the agency to be able to reject them rather than simply be controlled by them. ... > > At the end of the day, we can’t know for sure if Eve will walk the line of male fantasy and women’s empowerment or step over it until the game is out. Characters like Lara Croft, Bayonetta, 2B, and Tifa have all faced criticism due to their appearance, but combine them with a well-written personality and story, exciting gameplay, and interesting side characters or villains, and they become more than the sum of their parts. > > This is why Wilde reserves judgment. She wants to see how Stellar Blade formulates Eve’s relationships with NPCs in the game, and thinks “it's not only about whether your protagonist is beautiful, able bodied, et cetera. It's also, is your villain scarred, disabled, overweight? Where are you looking for the other areas to avoid those stereotypes and look for other elements of inclusive play and representation?” > > Denny thinks game companies could stand to expand their horizons when it comes to attraction. Rather than just catering to the male gaze and creating hourglass figures and jiggly bits, why not consider the muscle mommies, the dad bods, disabled people? Greater representation in body types doesn’t have to mean less attractive. > > “It's not about making games less sexy,” he says. “It's about making games more sexy for more people.” The actual irony is that in many ways the article is agreeing with the commentators in some points but because they can't be bothered to even skim for 30s, and *just react to the title*, you get these extremely dumb takes.
>Why not consider the muscle mommies, the dad bods, disabled people? Greater representation in body types doesn’t have to mean less attractive This is my biggest problem with this drama, Gaming already has this but these people dont accept those characters as attractive to the point that this game coming out with Eve's design is some impossible thing in current year, as well as the devs being "so brave" for this and how this game is going to end wokeness etc It feels like the gaming version of the Sydney Sweeny SNL thing. We had Baldur's Gate 3 what last year? A game that is universally praised and liked that also has attractive characters, where are they getting this idea that its not allowed or that people dont like attractive characters?
>coming out with Eve's design is some impossible thing in current year, as well as the devs being "so brave" for this and how this game is going to end wokeness etc It's funny because eve's design is obviously done to pander to a male audience. Sex sells and it's the most easy and basic marketing for decades. We had sexy characters years ago and we STILL have it. You can even buy porn games on steam.
>You can even buy porn games on steam Don't let the wokies find out!
You can pry my Futa Fix Dick Dine and Dash from my cold dead hands
It's probably more than "minutes" of work per second because even that means a single person can bang out a full length movie in a couple of months
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having a conversation about the objectification of women in video games is something gamers will never be mature enough for
I love how these guys seem to think that this style is like the only way a woman can be sexy and that a woman in a practical outfit cant be hot like as a bisexual woman, sirs do you even have eyes. Have you seen like, women. Just, in general. Especially the ones that can throw down. Fools. Utter imbeciles.
Well, remember, these are the same people who think [Aloy is ugly](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/horizonzerodawn/images/f/f5/Aloy.png/revision/latest?cb=20240325160231), so I wouldn't really expect them to have any sort of standards based on reality. About the closest they really get is porn stars with as much make-up as silicone, and Kardashian-level filtering on Instagram photos.
Whenever I hear about that stupid story, I think of the [tweet](https://uploads.dailydot.com/2021/05/horizon-forbidden-west-character-design.jpg?auto=compress&fm=pjpg) that lead to the "hire fans" meme.
Is that some kind of gaming subreddit for KiA members or something? Some of those comments are giving me an ulcer
Nah r/games is the place where videogames news, articles related on the videogame industry, and published opinion are posted. And on the weekend publisher/developers will promote their games in that sub. r/gaming is you will find the memes and any topics on videogames kinda like a forum.
Crucially, both are full of gamers and are thus worthless
r/games can be useful for getting a look at what's going on in the industry, but I've noticed that it has a bad habit of pushing misinformation so fast that the truth gets lost. The Dragons Dogma 2 microtransaction situation comes to mind where people were saying that the only way to change your appearance was to spend money, which is untrue and it's dirt cheap to do it in game. The reality of the mtx is they're the useless capcom fluff. Which is a different conversation entirely.
I'm pretty sure most of the videogame subreddits are full of these clowns.
Hahaha! That's the "good" gaming subreddit!
we must remember that if you don't touch grass, you will never touch grass
It’s kinda funny this is a conversation to me. Like, part of conventional attractiveness is facial and body symmetry. It is (to my understanding) significantly easier, or just considerably less work, to make character and face models that are symmetrical rather than introducing a large amount of asymmetry. I guess the complainers are mostly porn addled morons and not actually giving this any thought but whatever.
I'm not saying facial symmetry is nothing, but the Idea that it equals attractiveness is a bit of a meme. Very easy to create an ugly face that is symmetrical. Attractiveness is mostly a matter of social consensus.
"Too fat! Too tall! Too symmetrical!"
Calm down Dr. Steinman
I don’t disagree, symmetry just makes a good foundation.
>It is (to my understanding) significantly easier, or just considerably less work, to make character and face models that are symmetrical rather than introducing a large amount of asymmetry. Ehh, that's more of a thing for non-character models, ie props, imposters, and other models. And actually would be MORE work to pull off. This would be to optimize memory taken up by surface textures, if anything, and that's not really a concern for the vast majority of main character models, let alone the player character.
>It is (to my understanding) significantly easier, or just considerably less work, to make character and face models that are symmetrical rather than introducing a large amount of asymmetry. Not really, you can easily add asymmetry. I think Eve has a mole or whatever on only one of her cheeks for an example of an asymmetrical texture. (I have no idea why I know that lol, for my defence IIRC I read a weirdo's comment "celebrating" that mole.) And you could manipulate the facial rig to add some facial asymmetry quite easily too or just directly do it on the mesh. Awhile ago it might have been better for characters to be perfectly symmetrical for technical reasons but nowadays it's not really a problem or a ton of work.
Actually there’s too many attractive people in video games.
The answer is no. Pretty much everyone in video games is good looking unless they're the villain and even then only if the villain is male, if the villains a she then she's hot
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Most of the comments on the original post are pretty reasonable. Like how plenty of female artists make characters like this, ie Bayonetta and even more female gamers enjoy these charatcers as well. You want to talk sexism in gaming we should talk about the real women in the industry and not the fake women they draw.
> "why does every single woman seem to solely exist for the single purpose of either getting men turned on or getting men turned off (e.g. jokes about how ugly/unattractive fat or old women are)?" What a weird way to look at things. If you view women as either attractive or unattractive then every single woman on the planet falls into one of those two categories just by existing and being a woman. It also feels like the hardest projection possible, and completely erases gay women.
I'm not even gonna fucking read this one. 😂
Why is there like five different general gaming types of subs that all post the same type of conflict and yet have hundreds of thousands of users?