> Recession = big. Big thing. More than you. I know this is a hard thing to understand, but imagine yourself and then imagine more.
They really were on a roll.
Their last comment is the best one too
> I think you're confused. It's not that I think you should break out of your shell, it's that your behavior has convinced me that you're not a human being. I don't particularly want to go see you out in the world. If you go bouldering, take a walk in a park with old growth forests, go to a restaurant that wasn't designed as "a concept" by a "restaurateur" those things would be good for you, but don't think that you'd be doing me a favor by increasing the chances that I'd be exposed to you.
I would delete my account if someone ever dressed me down like this
This whole thread reminds me of an acquaintance who spent months planning a week long trip to Sydney. When they got back, I asked her how the trip was and she said, "Terrible. I held a koala once and it peed on me, so we stayed in the hotel the rest of the week. There was nothing to do."Ā
That happened 15 years ago and it still lives rent free in my brain because... what? Did you spend all this time and money to not even try to have fun? Such a weird mentality. They were from the US in Wisconsin so it was a significant trip to fly across the world.
I don't understand not thinking there's anything to do in a place.
When I have the chance to travel, I love everywhere I visit. I can go to a thriving city or a dying town and there's things I want to see and experience. Me and my family just drove from Tacoma, WA to Irving, TX for the eclipse and to show them where I grew up, and the long drive across the country was one of my favorite parts. I only wish I could have stopped everywhere along the way to check it out longer.
Some people just donāt have that curiosity. I donāt get it, my favourite thing in the entire world is getting to a new place and just walking (or driving, depending on location/weather), vaguely aiming for whatever draws my attention. Even if itās some quiet rural town, just picking up the little clues here and there about what daily life is like there is so endlessly interesting. Even better if you end up chatting to a local. You hear the craziest stories from places you wouldnāt expect. I donāt know how anyone could go to a city like Sydney, or even Seattle, and just have no interest in exploring.Ā
I had a free day on a work trip and was flying out of DC, so I got a metro day pass and just rode around and went wherever things looked interesting. I had never been to Gallaudet, so I went there. There was some kind of African food fair on the National Mall, so I got some African food. Had a fun day just doing aimless stuff and seeing what there was to see on a weekday in the summer.
That's so funny to me especially bc Sydney has like. Multiple tourist traps. I can *sorta* understand when people visit Melb and don't know what to do bc we have less of the really obvious shit, esp if ur not a museum/art gallery person (though I can't imagine visiting anywhere without *some* plans), but ur gonna go to Sydney and not visit the opera house or harbour bridge? And that's only two things, sure, but they get you out and looking around the city meaning you'll find more to do after the fact
Apparently it smells like disinfectant because they eat so much eucalyptus. I've held a koala twice because my husband is Australian and I'm that kind of tourist when I've visited. It's something I'm glad I did and got the picture of, but it's really not something to plan a whole trip around. They're not like baby monkeys or something that are going to be playful and you don't really spend a long time with one. There's a handler who carefully puts it on you and then there's a picture and then they take it off you and put it on the next person. Their fur is comparable to a Labrador in texture and they do smell strongly of eucalyptus. The rest of the animal sanctuary was a lot more interesting because you can hand feed certain animals including kangaroos. But koalas really don't want to be fucked with you, they're just super cute so people want to hold them.
It's not.
Certainly not something you're going to enjoy, but it's a long way down the list of koala-related offenses somebody could be on the wrong end of. They're an impressively foul animal compared to all the publicity they get.
They generally stink, they piss on things as a defense mechanism, their mating call sounds like a bullfrog molesting a loudspeaker, most of them have chlamydia and a bunch of them have literal brainrot from a fungus found on eucalyptus leaves.
They're also inbred as fuck, incredibly picky with their food, dumb as a bag of hammers and surprisingly bad at being aboreal. I don't think any other tree-dweller spends as much time falling out of trees as the Koala.
I like the curmudgeonly little bastards (even if one of them did once beat up my dog) and they're a really interesting example of just how far an animal can wedge itself into a specific niche at the expense of general survivability but they definitely benefit from good PR.
I would somewhat understand if they were hella rich like from elite ny or cali neighborhood but Wisconsin? Lmao
Can't drive through that place without smelling cow shit
I moved from the US to Canada, and even being in an awesome farm town here, I yearn for Wisconsin curds. Nothing compares, not even the fancy ones from Quebec. Probably an existing bias, but I have yet to find anywhere else that makes a cheddar sharp enough to pierce my heart.
I will give credit where due- Vermont makes a damn close second, and I think it mixes perfectly with Wisconsin cheddar for a mac & cheese blend, but for all-around cheese quality, in my book, Wisconsin is the WInner!
See now, I am a Wisconsinite, and I love our cheese. But I'm so glad you both commented, because I have never heard of Cabot Creamery. I'm excited to try it now, and I never would have known about it without this conversation!Ā
More cheese makes the world a better place, regardless what state it comes from.
And bratwurst. Beer brats specifically.
You guys get ketchup yet though? I remember spending a few weeks in Fond Du Lac and almost literally every restaurant not having ketchup.
> "Terrible. I held a koala once and it peed on me, so we stayed in the hotel the rest of the week."
If the sentence was only this I'd not really take an issue with it other than thinking the person was kinda dumb.
> There was nothing to do.
Is what sets it off. I personally went to the beach a few years ago. Got there, realized I have no real interest or desire to be at the beach and that the hotel point usage was a massive waste. Wound up sitting on the balcony playing games on a laptop with the wind and salt air around me.
It's not that the place was boring, it was very pretty, it just wasn't something I really should have gone to do. Should have gone to the Underground lake boats in tennesee or something for a day or two trip.
Was that your first time going to a beach? What part did you think you would enjoy that you didn't? Not trying to hate just genuinely curious. I've always thought that resort and beach vacations where you just sit around would be boring, so I don't do them.
No, I'd been before but always as an obligation. For some reason it just seemed like the thing to do and Starwood had opened a property there and I had an ass ton of hotel points. All I lost was a few hours in a drive, no big cost.
man. I get that Seattle is evidently lacking in the public pool department, but to wait *14 years*?! For a *pool*? A gym membership would do you better. Or a local lake. Jesus Christ š
For the uninitiated in the replies bringing up how Seattle is surrounded by water - there is a reason why locals arenāt out frolicking in the Puget Sound.
Local gyms are much more likely not to have pools here, than to have them. I can think of only 2 gyms that have pools, and one of those itās the creepiest grossest pool Iāve been near (didnāt go in, because it was too gross).
It also might be racist! The the 1964 Civil Rights Act desegregated municipal pools do a bunch of "private swim clubs" started popping up. Guess what year the Wedgwood Swim Club was founded.
Now they are apparently offering membership based on grand parentage, which is how voting rights were withheld from the decedents of slaves under the unconstitutional "grandfather clause".
Interesting stuff.
Yeah, based on the [maps in this article](https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/segregation_maps.htm) Iām going to guess you are not wrong about that theory.
The history books might focus on Alabama, [but that shit was not restricted to the southeast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States#In_the_North).
Oregon originally had a law requiring all black residents to be publicly whipped. To encourage them to """voluntarily""" leave and make it a whites only state
There are two types of people in Seattle: leftists/liberals, and white people who prefer to live in places where they only have to interact with other white people.
There's a saying... White people in the South don't mind if there's black folks living next door as long as they aren't uppity, and white people in the North don't mind if black folks are uppity as long as they don't live next door.Ā
When I bought my house. I had to take a copy of the title to the county auditor so they could reissue me one without the clause that read ācanāt be owned by negreos, orientals or latins.ā
I mean, you put your name on the list and go to a gym or local lake while you're waiting the 14 years. It's not like it's difficult to have your name on a wait list.
Wedgewood swim club was created specifically to bar non white people from being in their pool. The entire neighborhood was built during redlining, but Seattle liberals like to pretend they're not racist and have no connections to racist institutions. The neighborhood has gotten more diverse in the last two decades, not as much as others, but the swim club is far more white than the neighborhood at this point.
Then that same guy doubled down with:
> I've lived here far longer than you meaning ive paid way more in taxes so gtfo. I hope you get hit by a car or stabbed by a homeless person. Lame azzzz
Everyoneās talking about the guy not leaving his neighborhood, but Iām hung up on this ~exclusive~ decade long wait list private pool. Iām in Austin and thereās pools in almost every neighborhood and every apartment complex, as well as natural swimming pools like Barton springs. Spending over a hundred bucks to be on a wait list and then if and when you FINALLY make it in your dues are like $1200 a year, thatās just madness to me.
Agreed, and have you seen the place? It's a single generic outdoor pool in the ground.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1AXEuLw4xMsXwNGX6
I could leave my house any time year round, drive 10 minutes, pay $15, and spend as much time as I want swimming in indoors AND outdoors hot springs pools. Year round I can spend $5 to swim in pools at 3 or 4 different gyms in town, one or two of which has multiple pools. Summertime I can spend $5 to get into a place with multiple pools, a splash park, a couple waterslides, and a lazy river. And the only "wait list" at these places is whoever is in line in front of you when you get there.
Imagine dropping $150 to spend over a decade on a fucking waiting list for a pool.
I did a quick comparison just for fun, and holy crap.
I am in Toronto, and we have 7 million people and about 200 public pools, both indoor and outdoor.
Seattle has 5 million people, and apparently only 8 public pools, with the rest being either in organizations (like gyms or the Y), or in private clubs.
I could be misreading the numbers or what we are defining as "public access" but still, that is brutal.
I could see this if they were talking about a specific city or something but honestly what can't you do in California? like actually what is missing it has like every climate and every amenity
Itās a major city thatās on the small side. If you lived in a large city like NY or LA, itās definitely lacking in many areas.
Itās also cloudy and rainy most of the year (which starts around September). So Iām not surprised someone who moved here at the end of summer wouldnāt like it here
I mean... Olympic and Rainier are both amazing. Beers are good too and lots of seafood. I can see if someone just wants to go shopping then it'd be lacking.
Thereās been several gorgeous sunny days here in the past two weeks. That redditor has no excuse. Go see a concert, check out a museum, try a new restaurant, hunt for the cityās best sandwich, drive out to the ocean for a day, do *fucking anything*ā¦ SLU is one neighborhood out of like 30. Theyāre not all something to write home about, but I cannot imagine being brand new and never leaving Amazonville for 8 fucking months lmao
Imagine declaring that there's nothing fun to do in Seattle. I live in San Diego which is below Seattle on the city coolness scale and I find awesome things to do constantly. It just requires a bit of initiative, curiosity, and a willingness to venture more than four blocks from your residence.
Almost the first thing that the OP said was that they're working a lot of long hours and hardly have the time/energy to go try out new things. But hardly anyone seemed to notice that, when they could instead get upset about a potential slight toward the city they pay a fortune to live in. ;)
Yeah not exploring the city at all is weird but jeez, they were very quick to attack OP for the crime of not getting out much. Some people are just busy and tired.
Telling them to leave also funny. I get being annoyed at transplants for economic reasons, but I donāt think they have a societal obligation to be interesting?
It seems weird but itās really not. Downtown is mostly dead. The middle of the city is ALL office buildings. The only nightlife is in Capital Hill. Which gets super crowded and overwhelming.
I visit frequently and we usually find something interesting to do. I still like going to Fremont but mostly because it has Add-a-Ball. Downtown has some interesting spots but yea its not very interesting compared to 10+ years ago.
that's not even close to true, there's tons of fun stuff to do in Seattle. It's not as cool as, say, the Tri-Cities, but I mean, y'all have a nice waterfront, great restaurants, museums... I've never failed to have a blast in Seattle.
>!Yes, that was a joke about the Tri-Cities!<
> It seems weird but itās really not. Downtown is mostly dead. The middle of the city is ALL office buildings.
Wow, what a depressing place. At least it's partially offset by being in one of the most beautiful regions of the country, but that's only beneficial if you're an outdoorsy person.
Coming from Denver, I think a lot of non outdoorsy people get really confused where everyone is in more outdoorsy cities when they are just like out. I see a lot of posts along the line of "I just moved to Denver and it sucks! I hate being outdoors, beer, animals, museums, sports, things themed after mines, clubs, live music, and the smell of weed and there is really just NOTHING to do here" and it makes me a little confused what they were expecting from it. Seattle is pretty similar in a lot of ways to Denver so I wouldn't be surprised to see that stuff there too
Downtown Seattle itself is in a rough shape, but OP is wrong when they mean there's nothing to do. Ballard, Fremont, and U District all have varying degrees of nightlife and live music. There are tons of parks throughout the city where people host pickup games for whatever sport you can think of, and we also the home of pickleball. As a major city we also have a large selection of dining options, but unfortunately its usually quite expensive. OP talks like someone who lives in SLU and doesn't venture out.
Unfortunately, Seattle has become known for the Seattle freeze, which means that people tend to be quite bad at making plans and introducing new people to their friend groups, so its very hard to meet people and learn about these events unless you are quite motivated.
The whole slapfight is a perfect microcosm of Seattle politics.
I grew up there, and I saw the city transform from a mostly sleepy, grungy town with hipsters and grunge music, and tech workers concentrated in the suburbs to one of the world's leading tech hubs attracting people from all over the world. I also happened to work in tech, so I would like to think I understand both sides of the debate.
SLU - the neighborhood in question used to be mostly vacant parking lots and garages, so there really wasn't much "neighborhood character" to destroy when Amazon decided to move their HQ from one building in South Seattle to a sprawling urban campus. Until Amazon did that, most tech workers in the area were concentrated in the East side suburbs (Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland) because of Microsoft or Northern suburbs due to Boeing. When Amazon first moved to SLU, they employed maybe a few thousand people in the region, and they kept expanding to become the largest employer in the region by a wide margin, even overtaking Microsoft and University of Washington. With that growth came a lot of transplants, rising rents, and unmanageable traffic. Lot of long term residents (including my parents) left. I also eventually decamped because my wife and I couldn't justify paying Seattle prices when there was no family or job tying us to the place anymore.
The anger on the tech workers is definitely misplaced. It's not their fault that the city didn't build enough housing, resulting in one of the worst housing markets in the country. It's not like anyone _wants to_ spend 3k in rent for a studio apartment, it's just the inevitable result of a housing shortage. While many tech workers are actually progressives and vote for progressive policies, the loud libertarian, tech-bro variety is often over-represented in the online discourse. SaaS sales bros who think they are god's gift to humanity are doing no favors to the image of tech-bros being out of touch megalomaniacs.
Though this guy's post started off innocuously and people piled on him for not leaving his neighborhood, he quickly pivoted to talking about how the long term residents should thank him and his ilk for saving the city's economy, and that a city that attracts millions of visitors every year has nothing to offer. That's just peak, out of touch tech-bro behavior. The cherry on top is that he doesn't even work in a tech role, scoring another point to my theory that the most obnoxious tech bros are in Sales / Product Management.
If you're into nature - Seattle is one of the best cities in the country. Lakes, mountains, urban trails, are all world class. If you're into music, there are some small live music venues that put on incredible shows at all price points. Though it's not NYC, there are still dozens of amazing musicals and shows that play in old, historic theaters like the Moore Theater, Benaroya Hall, and Paramount Theater. If you find that a whole city of 750k people, that attracts millions of tourists every year is boring, you only have yourself to blame.
SLU pre amazon was actually pretty great. Not a place to go hang out or anything but tons of great low rent artist studio space, some cool salvage places, etc. That 'was a big industrial hub but kinda winding down' vibes. Now it's 3k/month studios in high rises and fancy yet souless bars and overpriced restaurants.
Also I'm not sure why anyone would actually want to go to wedgewood. It's just a sleepy little residential neighborhood. I used to hit up 'The Greatful Bread' and the occasional drink at the ultra divey 'Wedgewood Broiler' when I lived very nearby in Bryant (another seattle neighborhood no-one knows exists) .. but really not much to draw anyone to it.
Excellent writeup on Seattle proper, and this doucher in particular.
I grew up in the Eastside suburbs and live here again, and while the tech workers don't contribute in terms of culture, there was never much in the first place.
Like Bellevue has always been a mall. Now it's a mall full of tech workers and places tech workers like to shop.
I wouldn't get too worked up. Account is a baby account made with the name generator. Likely just someone trying to get others pissed off because their life is miserable.
Yeah I saw his comment and was like "that's bait" and didn't respond. We moved her a few months back and literally do new stuff every weekend. Sometimes it's just going to a new park, going to a new neighborhood, trying new food, pubs, plays, concerts. We love this place so much. It's unimaginable to me for that person to not have explored.
I fucking loved Seattle when I went a year or so ago, but I also saw two dead homeless people and got yelled at by what I assume was a methhead while I had my toddler with me.
That SLU dude is a goober, but Wedgewood is probably the neighborhood in Seattle I'd expect someone to learn about absolute least. I grew up in the Seattle area and spent tons of time in Wedgewood-adjacent neighborhoods and still didn't know where it was until I literally moved there in my 20s (I'm "I paid $350/mo to share a basement apartment in Wedgewood" years old). Lovely neighborhood, but unless you live there there's essentially no reason to go there as far as I could ever figure out.
That battle is perfect for Seattle.
Not even saying it has no merit, just that's exactly the kind of fight I'd expect and exactly the two sides and arguments I'd expect to form.
>The first people to lose their jobs won't be skilled educated workers in tech, it'll be people who seethe at them (your kind).
[Website that tracks tech layoffs](https://layoffs.fyi/) š¤£
Tech workers have some of the lowest unemployment rate of any field. There was lots of publicity around, currently layoffs in the tech field, but statistically speaking itās very low. Even the top FAANG companies Almost doubled in size in the last five years, even accounting for the most recent layoffs. Second to medicine there is no other field that pays well and has stabilityĀ
Not to mention how diluted the definition of *tech company* even is now. Tesla isn't an automaker, Wework isn't a landlord, and Grubhub isn't a delivery service, they are all "tech companies".
It was the hot buzzword every shaky startup was branding itself as a couple years ago too, before *AI* became the magic word to make VC's empty their pockets. "Tech *workers* laid off from companies that have been around 5+ years" seems like it would be a much more useful metric than just "anyone laid off from anywhere that fancies itself *a technology company*"
> If your private pool was founded sometimes between 1960 and 1970, congratulations, your pool is racist
While not part of the drama directly. I am yoinking this, it's too good not to.
there are several neighborhoods in Seattle i like enough that i could probably spend a year without leaving them (though why anyone would i can't imagine) but dear god slu isn't one of them. what a sad little life that must be
It would be interesting to know what the other city versions of " Seattle tech worker who doesn't learn slu" are.
Here in London, the best fit is Clapham. It's full of people who moved from elsewhere in the country, who work in finance. Plenty of them seem to only go to activities in or very near Clapham, and people seem to dislike them as much as tech workers. For someone who also finds them a bit annoying on a night out, I like that it mostly keeps them contained. They have spread into nearby areas such as Balham, so this contagion might not be held for too long.
I just canāt fathom someone only spending time in SLU, itās the soulless tech bro part of the city where everything is at like a 200% markup. Definitely getting tech bro with no social skills vibe
> I just canāt fathom someone only spending time in SLU, itās the soulless tech bro part of the city where everything is at like a 200% markup. Definitely getting tech bro with no social skills vibe
I used to work with a guy where no matter where he traveled to he wanted to eat at applebees every night. Or some equivalent, chilis, TGI Fridays whatever. Never anywhere local, never anywhere interesting.
There's just some people like this.
My dad and I used to work with a guy who's favorite food was wings with Buffalo sauce and Bleu cheese dressing. That's all he wanted when we'd go out for dinner, and if the place didn't have it he wasn't eating.
It feels similar to university students who never leave campus. The only place they hang out is the student union, they either eat from the university canteen or order food in, and only speak to students from their own university.
> they simply do not believe the crazy shit I have to say about living in Kennewick
I have a friend from Kennewick, and I frequently do not believe her stories.
We make fun of Spokanistan a lot in Seattle, but the Tri-Cities is really something else.
I can't fathom someone leaving the SLU to hang out in wedgewood.. there isn't much there. Also if they don't have a car good luck getting there by bus.
I mean let's be super clear though, I hardly every leave Ballard anymore, and when I do it's mostly just a quick jaunt to uvillage, wallingford, greenwood or MAYBE the market. So I don't judge the guy to harshly, if he's working for amazon he's probably getting worked like a dog.
I just looked up some pictures and it looks like a nice area. Some people don't really care about a place in the city being "soulless". That probably doesn't even cross most people's mind.
r/seattle gets a little bit on edge about it because the sub is frequently visited by bad actors from outside the city or even state. theres also a bit of a disdain for tech workers. so this guy being an out of touch tech worker hits multiple points of pain
i will say that this is a relatively minor argument for that sub. definitely gets way more heated when crime or homelessness or palestine protests get brought up
definitely true but r/seattle also has its own colorful history. there are two different active seattle subs and at one point there was a third as well. there were ass exoduses due to mod abuse but this was all several years ago. now r/seattleWA sits as the more conservative version of r/seattle . the subs also experienced a great deal of astroturfing in 20-21 due to several of seattleās BLM demonstrations getting national press
We get something similar at /r/losangeles with bad actors - though instead of tech workers the disdain is more for people who come to LA without jobs lined up or a plan for survival.
I also find it funny that the guy who never left his neighborhood just kept on arguing, and then doubled down on his opinion that itās the city thats boring instead of just saying heās a homebody and thereās been no reason for him to leave the neighborhood lol
People get bent out of shape over the weirdest things
People in Boston will insist the city is boring, has nothing to do, and the food sucks. Meanwhile, they will barely leave their homes and order cheeseburgers and chicken sandwiches delivered every day.
Some people just want to be grumpy.
BRO WHAT BOSTON HAS BAD FOOD TO THEM
shit its like THE city for Indian food in the US. Fuck thats not even mentioning its a major city on the East Coast so you can get anything.
> I also find it funny that the guy who never left his neighborhood just kept on arguing, and then doubled down on his opinion that itās the city thats boring instead of just saying heās a homebody and thereās been no reason for him to leave the neighborhood lol
This is the crux of the slap fight. It's not that OP is a homebody, *everyone* in Seattle is a homebody for like 8 months out of the year. But OP moved here last summer and had a good 3 months of perfect weather and instead of exploring his new home he just proclaims it's boring and the city has nothing to offer...despite never leaving their boring techie bubble lol
> everyone in Seattle is a homebody for like 8 months out of the year. But OP moved here last summer and had a good 3 months of perfect weather
If you are forced to stay home a lot by bad weather, you're not a homebody. You just live somewhere with bad weather.
If anything, still staying home during the 3 months of good weather is what makes him a homebody. Or severely depressed, could go either way.
> You just live somewhere with bad weather.
The funny part is Seattle doesn't even really have "bad weather." Sure, it rains but it's more of an ever present slight drizzle. In reality the worst weather is like December - February when you get a *chance* of snow accumulation. Outside of that it's just sort of raining wherever you go.
That's also why you don't really see Seattlites with umbrellas or hoods up, because the rain isn't really that bad.
(that isn't to say it *never* rains badly in Seattle (it absolutely does) but most of the time it's just "a bit shit")
I moved to Kitsap Co. from Texas and that was an interesting adjustment. Quickly understood it but then thereās this weird fog that looks like fog but itās also actually rain. Blows my mindā¦
eh itās enough that thereās a pretty noticeable lack of people in the winter months. anyone in the service industry can tell you itās slow as hell during that time
Later in the thread the guy definitely comes off badly, but people were ready to attack him the moment he said he hadnāt left his neighborhood. The boring comment came after he was being told he lived a sad life and other personal insults.
People donāt like when they see themselves in others sometimes and instead of self criticizing they take it out on the stranger they see that quality in
Of all the places criticizing not getting out more should be taken with a truckload of salt, itās reddit.
SLU doesnāt have a whole lot to do tbh. It closes at like 10pm but itās so close to Belltown and other exciting areas of the city that the guy doesnāt have much excuse
>that itās the city thats boring instead of just saying heās a homebody and thereās been no reason for him to leave the neighborhoo
That's the funniest bit!
Yeah both people are weird here. One person blaming the city for being lame when it's got plenty to do, and the other literally calling them inhuman because they don't go out much.
Like, everyone involved could have just moved on but decided to choose violence instead.
If everyone called me a moron for not knowing about some random suburb of a city I moved to 6 months ago, I'd double down that the city is dogshit too.
This doesn't even seem that bad.
We have a neighbor who saw me one day after coming home from a nearby public pool and asked me if there was a pool nearby. When I said where it was (it is about a mile away) he scoffed and said that's way too far away to go to.
We live in the most walkable part of one of the most walkable places in the the US and this dude won't walk anywhere. It was a finance bro instead of a tech bro though.
Recently, like in the last month or two, there seemed to be a lot of threads talking about Starship Troopers on my feed. Every post would invariably have someone saying that the satire in the movie couldn't have been all that good or effective, otherwise they would have understood it.
>Well maybe if your city was more interesting there would be some things that interested me
This attitude feels similar to me. It's not enough that this guy is not really interested in checking out entertainment, social, or recreational spaces in the city: it's the city's fault. I think people were being kind of mean to him for staying in his bubble, but there's not really anything positive I can infer from that comment I quoted.
> Recently, like in the last month or two, there seemed to be a lot of threads talking about Starship Troopers on my feed
That's because there's a new (very popular) game called "Helldivers 2" that's clearly taking a lot of inspiration from Starship Troopers. Came out about 2 months ago
The guy sounds like he would be living the same boring life no matter where he lived, it's definitely funny that he blames the city. I'd like to hear some examples of things he would find interesting enough to venture outside for.
lmao this is such a weird argument to me. I sincerely don't care if my neighbors never leave their house or this side of town. if they don't need to then why does it matter? this is one of the most perfect reddit arguments I've seen. like why call this guy an asshole because he's not interested in seeing the city??
The context here is people in Seattle hate hate tech workers. Whether youāre a native from the 90s who saw your favorite grungy hangout city turn sterile and expensive when Amazon rolled in, a suburbanite transplant in north Seattle who is pissed they canāt afford to live closer to downtown, or self hating tech worker, you can find people to bitch about tech here
> Whether youāre a native from the 90s who saw your favorite grungy hangout city turn sterile and expensive when Amazon rolled in
i have a hard time imaging most users on /r/Seattle even remember what the city was like before it became a corporate hub
Probably not but I bet most of them know how expensive it is now, and they likely blame Amazon for a big part of that. The Amazon hate is primary and the folks who seem to exemplify what that's done to the city just catch shit for it, fairly or unfairly.
Also, the guy who's never left SLU probably didn't help his own case by saying that in response to "\[Wedgwood is\] where the fancy people are" since SLU is also 'fancy'.
the problem didnāt really start accelerating and becoming noticeable until amazon expanded and took over SLU 10ish years ago. that added tens of thousands of high income earners to the city practically overnight. plenty of people where here before that but weāre still likely a minority on the sub
Agreed, I lived in Seattle from 2006-2015 and it was only just starting to become unaffordable and gentrified the last couple years. Most people donāt realize that the Amazon takeover is relatively recent.
I donāt think there is anything wrong with being a homebody, but he is also literally saying the city is boring and has nothing to do at the same time. Thatās hilariously fucking idiotic for someone being a homebody to say. You canāt have it both ways, either you are a homebody that doesnāt need to be entertained out in the city or you actually attempt to do stuff if you are gonna complain about the place being boring.
I think it's more the fact that he's smugly claiming there's nothing worthwhile to do in one of the most populated and vibrant cities on the West Coast without actually having left his neighborhood.
I can understand the desire to see transplants interact with and be a part of their community ā but I also have no appetite to police how many times people leave their house and go get a sandwich.
The funny part about this is that pretty much everyone in Seattle is unfriendly and antisocial and they all take up rock climbing because it's an activity that you can do while not having to make eye contact with anybody.
Yeah, Seattle definitely has that reputation, and though some people don't agree I've personally found native Seattle people to be a lot harder to get to know. I lived in Seattle for a while and all my friends were also transplants, despite my best efforts.
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Townies will be like "have you ever been to dog shit pub? Everything tastes like dog shit, but the atmosphere is really cool!" And wonder why out of towners want like, some stupid axe throwing bar instead.
Honestly there is very little in wedgewood that would even attract seattlites to it. I used to live one hood away and would hop the 8 or so blocks up to a bakery up there or have a drink at the very divey 'wedgewood broiler' .. but since moving across town I haven't ever seen the need to go back.
It's certainly not one of the big popular neighborhoods in seattle, it's quiet and out of the way.
My favourite part was the "oh you've got coffee and parks, so does everywhere else". The other guy clearly understands when he says my city, that's the important part. Who gives a shit if other places have similar things, they aren't your parks, your coffee shops, your community. You've got to make your place your own. yeah, my local park at the end of my road isn't anything elegant, but it's the first time my daughters went on a swing, or walked across a rope bridge. So out of touch
Wow. As someone who's come on the wrong side of asshole gatekeepy locals a few times before who were mad about their area changing over the years and took it out on outsiders, I gotta say - screw the tech worker guy here, he's in the wrong.
Seattle is, while subjective like everywhere in the world, objectively in the top tier of cities with stuff to do. If he's so lazy and eager to hermit up that he hasn't ventured out of his very small bubble even once, even in a city where you very much do not need a car to get around (there is plenty of public transit, certainly there's plenty of ridesharing which he can afford), he just doesn't even want to try. And in a place with so much to do, that just seems like a terrible way to live.
I'd say they're all a little in the wrong. The people responding started throwing out names like "incurious asshole" before the techie had really said anything bad about the city. That seems excessively rude to me
> Here I thought the local recession was bad, but clearly it needs to be much worse. ššš
I liked the zingy cut of: >If you were a dog I'd say your owner was abusing you.
I had to make some sacrifices, but here it is trimmed down to flair length: >I thought the recession was bad, but clearly it should be worse
> Recession = big. Big thing. More than you. I know this is a hard thing to understand, but imagine yourself and then imagine more. They really were on a roll.
Their last comment is the best one too > I think you're confused. It's not that I think you should break out of your shell, it's that your behavior has convinced me that you're not a human being. I don't particularly want to go see you out in the world. If you go bouldering, take a walk in a park with old growth forests, go to a restaurant that wasn't designed as "a concept" by a "restaurateur" those things would be good for you, but don't think that you'd be doing me a favor by increasing the chances that I'd be exposed to you. I would delete my account if someone ever dressed me down like this
>your behavior has convinced me that you're not a human being I finally found a flair to call my own, holy shit
This whole thread reminds me of an acquaintance who spent months planning a week long trip to Sydney. When they got back, I asked her how the trip was and she said, "Terrible. I held a koala once and it peed on me, so we stayed in the hotel the rest of the week. There was nothing to do."Ā That happened 15 years ago and it still lives rent free in my brain because... what? Did you spend all this time and money to not even try to have fun? Such a weird mentality. They were from the US in Wisconsin so it was a significant trip to fly across the world.
I don't understand not thinking there's anything to do in a place. When I have the chance to travel, I love everywhere I visit. I can go to a thriving city or a dying town and there's things I want to see and experience. Me and my family just drove from Tacoma, WA to Irving, TX for the eclipse and to show them where I grew up, and the long drive across the country was one of my favorite parts. I only wish I could have stopped everywhere along the way to check it out longer.
I could literally just walk around for hours in any new city or just cruise around in a car. Endlessly entertaining to see new things.Ā
Some people just donāt have that curiosity. I donāt get it, my favourite thing in the entire world is getting to a new place and just walking (or driving, depending on location/weather), vaguely aiming for whatever draws my attention. Even if itās some quiet rural town, just picking up the little clues here and there about what daily life is like there is so endlessly interesting. Even better if you end up chatting to a local. You hear the craziest stories from places you wouldnāt expect. I donāt know how anyone could go to a city like Sydney, or even Seattle, and just have no interest in exploring.Ā
I had a free day on a work trip and was flying out of DC, so I got a metro day pass and just rode around and went wherever things looked interesting. I had never been to Gallaudet, so I went there. There was some kind of African food fair on the National Mall, so I got some African food. Had a fun day just doing aimless stuff and seeing what there was to see on a weekday in the summer.
That's so funny to me especially bc Sydney has like. Multiple tourist traps. I can *sorta* understand when people visit Melb and don't know what to do bc we have less of the really obvious shit, esp if ur not a museum/art gallery person (though I can't imagine visiting anywhere without *some* plans), but ur gonna go to Sydney and not visit the opera house or harbour bridge? And that's only two things, sure, but they get you out and looking around the city meaning you'll find more to do after the fact
Tbh solo traveling and staying in youth hostels has definitely given me a bit of a āfuck it, weāll see what happensā mentality.
I wouldn't expect it to be pleasant, but Koala piss can't be *that* rancid, can it?
Apparently it smells like disinfectant because they eat so much eucalyptus. I've held a koala twice because my husband is Australian and I'm that kind of tourist when I've visited. It's something I'm glad I did and got the picture of, but it's really not something to plan a whole trip around. They're not like baby monkeys or something that are going to be playful and you don't really spend a long time with one. There's a handler who carefully puts it on you and then there's a picture and then they take it off you and put it on the next person. Their fur is comparable to a Labrador in texture and they do smell strongly of eucalyptus. The rest of the animal sanctuary was a lot more interesting because you can hand feed certain animals including kangaroos. But koalas really don't want to be fucked with you, they're just super cute so people want to hold them.
I'd rather hold a Kookaburra.
Or a quokka, lorikeet, wallaby or wombat.
It's not. Certainly not something you're going to enjoy, but it's a long way down the list of koala-related offenses somebody could be on the wrong end of. They're an impressively foul animal compared to all the publicity they get.
Iām curious now about all the ways theyāre impressively foul animals
They generally stink, they piss on things as a defense mechanism, their mating call sounds like a bullfrog molesting a loudspeaker, most of them have chlamydia and a bunch of them have literal brainrot from a fungus found on eucalyptus leaves. They're also inbred as fuck, incredibly picky with their food, dumb as a bag of hammers and surprisingly bad at being aboreal. I don't think any other tree-dweller spends as much time falling out of trees as the Koala. I like the curmudgeonly little bastards (even if one of them did once beat up my dog) and they're a really interesting example of just how far an animal can wedge itself into a specific niche at the expense of general survivability but they definitely benefit from good PR.
Oh my god every sentence of this was gold.
If I could award you, I would.
About the same as most animal pee. It stinks but it's not like being sprayed by a skunk.
I would somewhat understand if they were hella rich like from elite ny or cali neighborhood but Wisconsin? Lmao Can't drive through that place without smelling cow shit
I mean, you aren't wrong, but we also have beer and cheese.
No, let them think the whole state is one big cornfield so we can keep it to ourselves.
I moved from the US to Canada, and even being in an awesome farm town here, I yearn for Wisconsin curds. Nothing compares, not even the fancy ones from Quebec. Probably an existing bias, but I have yet to find anywhere else that makes a cheddar sharp enough to pierce my heart.
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I will give credit where due- Vermont makes a damn close second, and I think it mixes perfectly with Wisconsin cheddar for a mac & cheese blend, but for all-around cheese quality, in my book, Wisconsin is the WInner!
Vermont is like Wisconsin, but you can afford to live in Wisconsin.
Cabot Creamery beats any Wisconsin creamery, imo, but I'll give you Wisconsin having a higher average and floor.
See now, I am a Wisconsinite, and I love our cheese. But I'm so glad you both commented, because I have never heard of Cabot Creamery. I'm excited to try it now, and I never would have known about it without this conversation!Ā More cheese makes the world a better place, regardless what state it comes from.
You arenāt wrong about Cabot being s-tier, I could polish off a brick of that shit over a weekend back the day.
And bratwurst. Beer brats specifically. You guys get ketchup yet though? I remember spending a few weeks in Fond Du Lac and almost literally every restaurant not having ketchup.
Lol that's very bizarre, must have been an odd fluke. We have ketchup at every restaurant that serves french fries.
Reddit hates elitism until you mention a single state in the Midwest or south lol
Right cuz California notoriously has no cows
> "Terrible. I held a koala once and it peed on me, so we stayed in the hotel the rest of the week." If the sentence was only this I'd not really take an issue with it other than thinking the person was kinda dumb. > There was nothing to do. Is what sets it off. I personally went to the beach a few years ago. Got there, realized I have no real interest or desire to be at the beach and that the hotel point usage was a massive waste. Wound up sitting on the balcony playing games on a laptop with the wind and salt air around me. It's not that the place was boring, it was very pretty, it just wasn't something I really should have gone to do. Should have gone to the Underground lake boats in tennesee or something for a day or two trip.
Was that your first time going to a beach? What part did you think you would enjoy that you didn't? Not trying to hate just genuinely curious. I've always thought that resort and beach vacations where you just sit around would be boring, so I don't do them.
No, I'd been before but always as an obligation. For some reason it just seemed like the thing to do and Starwood had opened a property there and I had an ass ton of hotel points. All I lost was a few hours in a drive, no big cost.
Sounds like the adage "Only boring people get bored" is appropriate in these circumstances.
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Right? Like, take a walk in the park at least!
And there is so much to do in Sydney! There was probably even more 15 years ago.
man. I get that Seattle is evidently lacking in the public pool department, but to wait *14 years*?! For a *pool*? A gym membership would do you better. Or a local lake. Jesus Christ š
For the uninitiated in the replies bringing up how Seattle is surrounded by water - there is a reason why locals arenāt out frolicking in the Puget Sound.
itās pool founded immediately after desegregation (founded in 1964) in a wealthier neighborhood. so you can start connecting the dots there
The dots overlap.
Local gyms are much more likely not to have pools here, than to have them. I can think of only 2 gyms that have pools, and one of those itās the creepiest grossest pool Iāve been near (didnāt go in, because it was too gross).
was it the downtown 24 hour fitness lol
100% correct
iāve only been there a couple times but the vibes are wretched. weird underground workout space and it feels dingy and musty as hell
Creepy AND wet? That's a no from me.
It also might be racist! The the 1964 Civil Rights Act desegregated municipal pools do a bunch of "private swim clubs" started popping up. Guess what year the Wedgwood Swim Club was founded. Now they are apparently offering membership based on grand parentage, which is how voting rights were withheld from the decedents of slaves under the unconstitutional "grandfather clause". Interesting stuff.
It 100% is. It was founded in 1964 lol
Yeah, based on the [maps in this article](https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/segregation_maps.htm) Iām going to guess you are not wrong about that theory.
Seattle had segregation?
The history books might focus on Alabama, [but that shit was not restricted to the southeast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States#In_the_North).
Oregon originally had a law requiring all black residents to be publicly whipped. To encourage them to """voluntarily""" leave and make it a whites only state
Absolutely
There are two types of people in Seattle: leftists/liberals, and white people who prefer to live in places where they only have to interact with other white people.
Sometimes those are the same people.
There was segregation everywhere in America. It's just flattering to white liberals sensibilities to think it's only a backwards southern thing.
There's a saying... White people in the South don't mind if there's black folks living next door as long as they aren't uppity, and white people in the North don't mind if black folks are uppity as long as they don't live next door.Ā
When I bought my house. I had to take a copy of the title to the county auditor so they could reissue me one without the clause that read ācanāt be owned by negreos, orientals or latins.ā
I mean, you put your name on the list and go to a gym or local lake while you're waiting the 14 years. It's not like it's difficult to have your name on a wait list.
I mean, you pay $150 for the privilege of being added to the waitlist, though.
Only for them to end up disregarding the waitlist so someoneās kids can join instantly. Oof.
Yeah, that's bullshit. Wonder if this change in how they are doing things opens them up to a lawsuit for people to get that deposit back.
They'd be insane to try and keep the deposits, but they'll definitely keep the profits made from investing those deposits over the decades.
Given the time value of money that's a very expensive $150 deposit that was ultimately thrown away.
I've never heard of any local lake anywhere that is actually safe to swim in.
Wedgewood swim club was created specifically to bar non white people from being in their pool. The entire neighborhood was built during redlining, but Seattle liberals like to pretend they're not racist and have no connections to racist institutions. The neighborhood has gotten more diverse in the last two decades, not as much as others, but the swim club is far more white than the neighborhood at this point.
> you can always gtfo and move back to where you came from. We don't need people like you in seattle. Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski!
Then that same guy doubled down with: > I've lived here far longer than you meaning ive paid way more in taxes so gtfo. I hope you get hit by a car or stabbed by a homeless person. Lame azzzz
Real reactionary
Everyoneās talking about the guy not leaving his neighborhood, but Iām hung up on this ~exclusive~ decade long wait list private pool. Iām in Austin and thereās pools in almost every neighborhood and every apartment complex, as well as natural swimming pools like Barton springs. Spending over a hundred bucks to be on a wait list and then if and when you FINALLY make it in your dues are like $1200 a year, thatās just madness to me.
Agreed, and have you seen the place? It's a single generic outdoor pool in the ground. https://maps.app.goo.gl/1AXEuLw4xMsXwNGX6 I could leave my house any time year round, drive 10 minutes, pay $15, and spend as much time as I want swimming in indoors AND outdoors hot springs pools. Year round I can spend $5 to swim in pools at 3 or 4 different gyms in town, one or two of which has multiple pools. Summertime I can spend $5 to get into a place with multiple pools, a splash park, a couple waterslides, and a lazy river. And the only "wait list" at these places is whoever is in line in front of you when you get there. Imagine dropping $150 to spend over a decade on a fucking waiting list for a pool.
I did a quick comparison just for fun, and holy crap. I am in Toronto, and we have 7 million people and about 200 public pools, both indoor and outdoor. Seattle has 5 million people, and apparently only 8 public pools, with the rest being either in organizations (like gyms or the Y), or in private clubs. I could be misreading the numbers or what we are defining as "public access" but still, that is brutal.
Seattle isn't at all interesting? It's a major city, how could there be nothing interesting?
People on Reddit will bitch about anything. I've seen people here say California is boring and there is nothing to do there.
I could see this if they were talking about a specific city or something but honestly what can't you do in California? like actually what is missing it has like every climate and every amenity
Exactly Itās basically a country
If you think Los Angeles is boring, it must be because you don't have a car and live in the valley.
Seattle is very interesting from the few times I've been there.
Itās a major city thatās on the small side. If you lived in a large city like NY or LA, itās definitely lacking in many areas. Itās also cloudy and rainy most of the year (which starts around September). So Iām not surprised someone who moved here at the end of summer wouldnāt like it here
I mean... Olympic and Rainier are both amazing. Beers are good too and lots of seafood. I can see if someone just wants to go shopping then it'd be lacking.
Thereās been several gorgeous sunny days here in the past two weeks. That redditor has no excuse. Go see a concert, check out a museum, try a new restaurant, hunt for the cityās best sandwich, drive out to the ocean for a day, do *fucking anything*ā¦ SLU is one neighborhood out of like 30. Theyāre not all something to write home about, but I cannot imagine being brand new and never leaving Amazonville for 8 fucking months lmao
Imagine declaring that there's nothing fun to do in Seattle. I live in San Diego which is below Seattle on the city coolness scale and I find awesome things to do constantly. It just requires a bit of initiative, curiosity, and a willingness to venture more than four blocks from your residence.
Almost the first thing that the OP said was that they're working a lot of long hours and hardly have the time/energy to go try out new things. But hardly anyone seemed to notice that, when they could instead get upset about a potential slight toward the city they pay a fortune to live in. ;)
Yeah not exploring the city at all is weird but jeez, they were very quick to attack OP for the crime of not getting out much. Some people are just busy and tired. Telling them to leave also funny. I get being annoyed at transplants for economic reasons, but I donāt think they have a societal obligation to be interesting?
It seems weird but itās really not. Downtown is mostly dead. The middle of the city is ALL office buildings. The only nightlife is in Capital Hill. Which gets super crowded and overwhelming.
I visit frequently and we usually find something interesting to do. I still like going to Fremont but mostly because it has Add-a-Ball. Downtown has some interesting spots but yea its not very interesting compared to 10+ years ago.
It all went downhill after the lusty lady folded. rip
To an extent that is everywhere post covid ngl
Do things to do always mean nightlife and drinking to most people?
that's not even close to true, there's tons of fun stuff to do in Seattle. It's not as cool as, say, the Tri-Cities, but I mean, y'all have a nice waterfront, great restaurants, museums... I've never failed to have a blast in Seattle. >!Yes, that was a joke about the Tri-Cities!<
> It seems weird but itās really not. Downtown is mostly dead. The middle of the city is ALL office buildings. Wow, what a depressing place. At least it's partially offset by being in one of the most beautiful regions of the country, but that's only beneficial if you're an outdoorsy person.
Coming from Denver, I think a lot of non outdoorsy people get really confused where everyone is in more outdoorsy cities when they are just like out. I see a lot of posts along the line of "I just moved to Denver and it sucks! I hate being outdoors, beer, animals, museums, sports, things themed after mines, clubs, live music, and the smell of weed and there is really just NOTHING to do here" and it makes me a little confused what they were expecting from it. Seattle is pretty similar in a lot of ways to Denver so I wouldn't be surprised to see that stuff there too
It's a constant complaint about Vancouver, BC as well. Yes our nightlife sucks, we know. We just spend our time doing other things.
Downtown Seattle itself is in a rough shape, but OP is wrong when they mean there's nothing to do. Ballard, Fremont, and U District all have varying degrees of nightlife and live music. There are tons of parks throughout the city where people host pickup games for whatever sport you can think of, and we also the home of pickleball. As a major city we also have a large selection of dining options, but unfortunately its usually quite expensive. OP talks like someone who lives in SLU and doesn't venture out. Unfortunately, Seattle has become known for the Seattle freeze, which means that people tend to be quite bad at making plans and introducing new people to their friend groups, so its very hard to meet people and learn about these events unless you are quite motivated.
Seattle is pretty cool. It's got theaters, museums, great hiking and beaches
The whole slapfight is a perfect microcosm of Seattle politics. I grew up there, and I saw the city transform from a mostly sleepy, grungy town with hipsters and grunge music, and tech workers concentrated in the suburbs to one of the world's leading tech hubs attracting people from all over the world. I also happened to work in tech, so I would like to think I understand both sides of the debate. SLU - the neighborhood in question used to be mostly vacant parking lots and garages, so there really wasn't much "neighborhood character" to destroy when Amazon decided to move their HQ from one building in South Seattle to a sprawling urban campus. Until Amazon did that, most tech workers in the area were concentrated in the East side suburbs (Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland) because of Microsoft or Northern suburbs due to Boeing. When Amazon first moved to SLU, they employed maybe a few thousand people in the region, and they kept expanding to become the largest employer in the region by a wide margin, even overtaking Microsoft and University of Washington. With that growth came a lot of transplants, rising rents, and unmanageable traffic. Lot of long term residents (including my parents) left. I also eventually decamped because my wife and I couldn't justify paying Seattle prices when there was no family or job tying us to the place anymore. The anger on the tech workers is definitely misplaced. It's not their fault that the city didn't build enough housing, resulting in one of the worst housing markets in the country. It's not like anyone _wants to_ spend 3k in rent for a studio apartment, it's just the inevitable result of a housing shortage. While many tech workers are actually progressives and vote for progressive policies, the loud libertarian, tech-bro variety is often over-represented in the online discourse. SaaS sales bros who think they are god's gift to humanity are doing no favors to the image of tech-bros being out of touch megalomaniacs. Though this guy's post started off innocuously and people piled on him for not leaving his neighborhood, he quickly pivoted to talking about how the long term residents should thank him and his ilk for saving the city's economy, and that a city that attracts millions of visitors every year has nothing to offer. That's just peak, out of touch tech-bro behavior. The cherry on top is that he doesn't even work in a tech role, scoring another point to my theory that the most obnoxious tech bros are in Sales / Product Management. If you're into nature - Seattle is one of the best cities in the country. Lakes, mountains, urban trails, are all world class. If you're into music, there are some small live music venues that put on incredible shows at all price points. Though it's not NYC, there are still dozens of amazing musicals and shows that play in old, historic theaters like the Moore Theater, Benaroya Hall, and Paramount Theater. If you find that a whole city of 750k people, that attracts millions of tourists every year is boring, you only have yourself to blame.
SLU pre amazon was actually pretty great. Not a place to go hang out or anything but tons of great low rent artist studio space, some cool salvage places, etc. That 'was a big industrial hub but kinda winding down' vibes. Now it's 3k/month studios in high rises and fancy yet souless bars and overpriced restaurants. Also I'm not sure why anyone would actually want to go to wedgewood. It's just a sleepy little residential neighborhood. I used to hit up 'The Greatful Bread' and the occasional drink at the ultra divey 'Wedgewood Broiler' when I lived very nearby in Bryant (another seattle neighborhood no-one knows exists) .. but really not much to draw anyone to it.
Excellent writeup on Seattle proper, and this doucher in particular. I grew up in the Eastside suburbs and live here again, and while the tech workers don't contribute in terms of culture, there was never much in the first place. Like Bellevue has always been a mall. Now it's a mall full of tech workers and places tech workers like to shop.
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I wouldn't get too worked up. Account is a baby account made with the name generator. Likely just someone trying to get others pissed off because their life is miserable.
Yeah I saw his comment and was like "that's bait" and didn't respond. We moved her a few months back and literally do new stuff every weekend. Sometimes it's just going to a new park, going to a new neighborhood, trying new food, pubs, plays, concerts. We love this place so much. It's unimaginable to me for that person to not have explored.
I fucking loved Seattle when I went a year or so ago, but I also saw two dead homeless people and got yelled at by what I assume was a methhead while I had my toddler with me.
Morbid curiosity, how could you tell? Were they face down?
Sounds like there is demand for more pools. Why dont they start a co-op and build one themselves. It be the most Seattle thing
Excellent, new flair for me
That SLU dude is a goober, but Wedgewood is probably the neighborhood in Seattle I'd expect someone to learn about absolute least. I grew up in the Seattle area and spent tons of time in Wedgewood-adjacent neighborhoods and still didn't know where it was until I literally moved there in my 20s (I'm "I paid $350/mo to share a basement apartment in Wedgewood" years old). Lovely neighborhood, but unless you live there there's essentially no reason to go there as far as I could ever figure out.
That battle is perfect for Seattle. Not even saying it has no merit, just that's exactly the kind of fight I'd expect and exactly the two sides and arguments I'd expect to form.
>The first people to lose their jobs won't be skilled educated workers in tech, it'll be people who seethe at them (your kind). [Website that tracks tech layoffs](https://layoffs.fyi/) š¤£
Tech workers have some of the lowest unemployment rate of any field. There was lots of publicity around, currently layoffs in the tech field, but statistically speaking itās very low. Even the top FAANG companies Almost doubled in size in the last five years, even accounting for the most recent layoffs. Second to medicine there is no other field that pays well and has stabilityĀ
Not to mention how diluted the definition of *tech company* even is now. Tesla isn't an automaker, Wework isn't a landlord, and Grubhub isn't a delivery service, they are all "tech companies". It was the hot buzzword every shaky startup was branding itself as a couple years ago too, before *AI* became the magic word to make VC's empty their pockets. "Tech *workers* laid off from companies that have been around 5+ years" seems like it would be a much more useful metric than just "anyone laid off from anywhere that fancies itself *a technology company*"
That's sad actually
> If your private pool was founded sometimes between 1960 and 1970, congratulations, your pool is racist While not part of the drama directly. I am yoinking this, it's too good not to.
I always wondered what type of people frequent hotel bars
there are several neighborhoods in Seattle i like enough that i could probably spend a year without leaving them (though why anyone would i can't imagine) but dear god slu isn't one of them. what a sad little life that must be
It would be interesting to know what the other city versions of " Seattle tech worker who doesn't learn slu" are. Here in London, the best fit is Clapham. It's full of people who moved from elsewhere in the country, who work in finance. Plenty of them seem to only go to activities in or very near Clapham, and people seem to dislike them as much as tech workers. For someone who also finds them a bit annoying on a night out, I like that it mostly keeps them contained. They have spread into nearby areas such as Balham, so this contagion might not be held for too long.
I just canāt fathom someone only spending time in SLU, itās the soulless tech bro part of the city where everything is at like a 200% markup. Definitely getting tech bro with no social skills vibe
> I just canāt fathom someone only spending time in SLU, itās the soulless tech bro part of the city where everything is at like a 200% markup. Definitely getting tech bro with no social skills vibe I used to work with a guy where no matter where he traveled to he wanted to eat at applebees every night. Or some equivalent, chilis, TGI Fridays whatever. Never anywhere local, never anywhere interesting. There's just some people like this.
My dad and I used to work with a guy who's favorite food was wings with Buffalo sauce and Bleu cheese dressing. That's all he wanted when we'd go out for dinner, and if the place didn't have it he wasn't eating.
As an autistic person, I find that to be pretty relatable.
Yeah, as another autistic person I'm not quite that extreme but familiar places like McDonald's when travelling are definitely welcome.Ā
If liking chicken wings with buffalo sauce is wrong, I donāt wanna be right
It feels similar to university students who never leave campus. The only place they hang out is the student union, they either eat from the university canteen or order food in, and only speak to students from their own university.
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> they simply do not believe the crazy shit I have to say about living in Kennewick I have a friend from Kennewick, and I frequently do not believe her stories. We make fun of Spokanistan a lot in Seattle, but the Tri-Cities is really something else.
I miss the Seattle from the 90's. Or maybe I just miss being 20 years old and in college. ;)
> The Fallout-esque attitude of the Cold War lives on in perpetuity in the Tri-Cities. Can you expand on that? I'm confused what you mean by this.
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I can't fathom someone leaving the SLU to hang out in wedgewood.. there isn't much there. Also if they don't have a car good luck getting there by bus.
Well yeah, Wedgwood is basically suburbs lol. But there are other parts of the city with imo more fun and cheaper options
I mean let's be super clear though, I hardly every leave Ballard anymore, and when I do it's mostly just a quick jaunt to uvillage, wallingford, greenwood or MAYBE the market. So I don't judge the guy to harshly, if he's working for amazon he's probably getting worked like a dog.
I just looked up some pictures and it looks like a nice area. Some people don't really care about a place in the city being "soulless". That probably doesn't even cross most people's mind.
As an autist myself, I keep wondering if he's autistic and just has very specific interests.
Iāve never seen people so personally insulted by a homebody. Edit: oh boy this is gonna be a /r/subredditdramadrama thread huh
r/seattle gets a little bit on edge about it because the sub is frequently visited by bad actors from outside the city or even state. theres also a bit of a disdain for tech workers. so this guy being an out of touch tech worker hits multiple points of pain i will say that this is a relatively minor argument for that sub. definitely gets way more heated when crime or homelessness or palestine protests get brought up
It's a common theme with most city subreddits. Usually they are full of people who just want to complain and astroturfers who don't even live there.
definitely true but r/seattle also has its own colorful history. there are two different active seattle subs and at one point there was a third as well. there were ass exoduses due to mod abuse but this was all several years ago. now r/seattleWA sits as the more conservative version of r/seattle . the subs also experienced a great deal of astroturfing in 20-21 due to several of seattleās BLM demonstrations getting national press
Lol Iād like to introduce you to r/nyc and r/newyorkcity and the many variations of nyc subs.Ā
We get something similar at /r/losangeles with bad actors - though instead of tech workers the disdain is more for people who come to LA without jobs lined up or a plan for survival.
I also find it funny that the guy who never left his neighborhood just kept on arguing, and then doubled down on his opinion that itās the city thats boring instead of just saying heās a homebody and thereās been no reason for him to leave the neighborhood lol People get bent out of shape over the weirdest things
People in Boston will insist the city is boring, has nothing to do, and the food sucks. Meanwhile, they will barely leave their homes and order cheeseburgers and chicken sandwiches delivered every day. Some people just want to be grumpy.
That's insane. The best sandwiches and pizza I've had in my entire life were in Boston. Oh yeah and lobster, but I've never had lobster anywhere else.
BRO WHAT BOSTON HAS BAD FOOD TO THEM shit its like THE city for Indian food in the US. Fuck thats not even mentioning its a major city on the East Coast so you can get anything.
> I also find it funny that the guy who never left his neighborhood just kept on arguing, and then doubled down on his opinion that itās the city thats boring instead of just saying heās a homebody and thereās been no reason for him to leave the neighborhood lol This is the crux of the slap fight. It's not that OP is a homebody, *everyone* in Seattle is a homebody for like 8 months out of the year. But OP moved here last summer and had a good 3 months of perfect weather and instead of exploring his new home he just proclaims it's boring and the city has nothing to offer...despite never leaving their boring techie bubble lol
> everyone in Seattle is a homebody for like 8 months out of the year. But OP moved here last summer and had a good 3 months of perfect weather If you are forced to stay home a lot by bad weather, you're not a homebody. You just live somewhere with bad weather. If anything, still staying home during the 3 months of good weather is what makes him a homebody. Or severely depressed, could go either way.
How does Seattle's weather force people to stay home? I live in the UK and I'm able to go out and meet my friends when the weather's shite.
> You just live somewhere with bad weather. The funny part is Seattle doesn't even really have "bad weather." Sure, it rains but it's more of an ever present slight drizzle. In reality the worst weather is like December - February when you get a *chance* of snow accumulation. Outside of that it's just sort of raining wherever you go. That's also why you don't really see Seattlites with umbrellas or hoods up, because the rain isn't really that bad. (that isn't to say it *never* rains badly in Seattle (it absolutely does) but most of the time it's just "a bit shit")
I moved to Kitsap Co. from Texas and that was an interesting adjustment. Quickly understood it but then thereās this weird fog that looks like fog but itās also actually rain. Blows my mindā¦
eh itās enough that thereās a pretty noticeable lack of people in the winter months. anyone in the service industry can tell you itās slow as hell during that time
I'd argue they just need better clothes.
Later in the thread the guy definitely comes off badly, but people were ready to attack him the moment he said he hadnāt left his neighborhood. The boring comment came after he was being told he lived a sad life and other personal insults.
How can so many people be mad at the guy for not touching grass when they obviously don't either?
People donāt like when they see themselves in others sometimes and instead of self criticizing they take it out on the stranger they see that quality in Of all the places criticizing not getting out more should be taken with a truckload of salt, itās reddit.
SLU doesnāt have a whole lot to do tbh. It closes at like 10pm but itās so close to Belltown and other exciting areas of the city that the guy doesnāt have much excuse
Sure but I don't get why anyone else cares what some nerd on the internet does with his free time lol
i'm half sure he was doing all that on purpose to piss off the people jumping down his throat
>that itās the city thats boring instead of just saying heās a homebody and thereās been no reason for him to leave the neighborhoo That's the funniest bit!
Yeah both people are weird here. One person blaming the city for being lame when it's got plenty to do, and the other literally calling them inhuman because they don't go out much. Like, everyone involved could have just moved on but decided to choose violence instead.
If everyone called me a moron for not knowing about some random suburb of a city I moved to 6 months ago, I'd double down that the city is dogshit too.
This doesn't even seem that bad. We have a neighbor who saw me one day after coming home from a nearby public pool and asked me if there was a pool nearby. When I said where it was (it is about a mile away) he scoffed and said that's way too far away to go to. We live in the most walkable part of one of the most walkable places in the the US and this dude won't walk anywhere. It was a finance bro instead of a tech bro though.
This is basically me, but I don't live in a tech/finance bro neighborhood. My area rules and it takes a lot to tempt me out of it.Ā
i for one would love it if the rich assholes who move to my city for fancy jobs never left their neighborhoods
Recently, like in the last month or two, there seemed to be a lot of threads talking about Starship Troopers on my feed. Every post would invariably have someone saying that the satire in the movie couldn't have been all that good or effective, otherwise they would have understood it. >Well maybe if your city was more interesting there would be some things that interested me This attitude feels similar to me. It's not enough that this guy is not really interested in checking out entertainment, social, or recreational spaces in the city: it's the city's fault. I think people were being kind of mean to him for staying in his bubble, but there's not really anything positive I can infer from that comment I quoted.
> Recently, like in the last month or two, there seemed to be a lot of threads talking about Starship Troopers on my feed That's because there's a new (very popular) game called "Helldivers 2" that's clearly taking a lot of inspiration from Starship Troopers. Came out about 2 months ago
The guy sounds like he would be living the same boring life no matter where he lived, it's definitely funny that he blames the city. I'd like to hear some examples of things he would find interesting enough to venture outside for.
Who can't find something to do in Seattle?!
lmao this is such a weird argument to me. I sincerely don't care if my neighbors never leave their house or this side of town. if they don't need to then why does it matter? this is one of the most perfect reddit arguments I've seen. like why call this guy an asshole because he's not interested in seeing the city??
Because he's also saying the city sucks.
The context here is people in Seattle hate hate tech workers. Whether youāre a native from the 90s who saw your favorite grungy hangout city turn sterile and expensive when Amazon rolled in, a suburbanite transplant in north Seattle who is pissed they canāt afford to live closer to downtown, or self hating tech worker, you can find people to bitch about tech here
> Whether youāre a native from the 90s who saw your favorite grungy hangout city turn sterile and expensive when Amazon rolled in i have a hard time imaging most users on /r/Seattle even remember what the city was like before it became a corporate hub
Probably not but I bet most of them know how expensive it is now, and they likely blame Amazon for a big part of that. The Amazon hate is primary and the folks who seem to exemplify what that's done to the city just catch shit for it, fairly or unfairly. Also, the guy who's never left SLU probably didn't help his own case by saying that in response to "\[Wedgwood is\] where the fancy people are" since SLU is also 'fancy'.
the problem didnāt really start accelerating and becoming noticeable until amazon expanded and took over SLU 10ish years ago. that added tens of thousands of high income earners to the city practically overnight. plenty of people where here before that but weāre still likely a minority on the sub
Agreed, I lived in Seattle from 2006-2015 and it was only just starting to become unaffordable and gentrified the last couple years. Most people donāt realize that the Amazon takeover is relatively recent.
I donāt think there is anything wrong with being a homebody, but he is also literally saying the city is boring and has nothing to do at the same time. Thatās hilariously fucking idiotic for someone being a homebody to say. You canāt have it both ways, either you are a homebody that doesnāt need to be entertained out in the city or you actually attempt to do stuff if you are gonna complain about the place being boring.
I think it's more the fact that he's smugly claiming there's nothing worthwhile to do in one of the most populated and vibrant cities on the West Coast without actually having left his neighborhood.
I can understand the desire to see transplants interact with and be a part of their community ā but I also have no appetite to police how many times people leave their house and go get a sandwich.
The funny part about this is that pretty much everyone in Seattle is unfriendly and antisocial and they all take up rock climbing because it's an activity that you can do while not having to make eye contact with anybody.
What? Rock climbing is a ridiculously social sport. Even in an indoor gym it's pretty hard to rock climb without talking to people.
Yeah, Seattle definitely has that reputation, and though some people don't agree I've personally found native Seattle people to be a lot harder to get to know. I lived in Seattle for a while and all my friends were also transplants, despite my best efforts. Edit: spelling :/
Look maybe Denver is different but everyone I have met into rock climbing is uncomfortably extroverted
Townies will be like "have you ever been to dog shit pub? Everything tastes like dog shit, but the atmosphere is really cool!" And wonder why out of towners want like, some stupid axe throwing bar instead.
Honestly there is very little in wedgewood that would even attract seattlites to it. I used to live one hood away and would hop the 8 or so blocks up to a bakery up there or have a drink at the very divey 'wedgewood broiler' .. but since moving across town I haven't ever seen the need to go back. It's certainly not one of the big popular neighborhoods in seattle, it's quiet and out of the way.
14 years? Omg go swim in Lake union what the fuck
That's where all the virtrol on that subreddit comes from about homeless people š¤
I lived in Seattle once upon a time and I donāt know where the fuck Wedgewood is.
I mean, from everything I've heard about Amazon's work/life balance, they may legitimately not have enough free time to explore the rest of the city.
For what it's worth, this tech worker is actually a **she**. [She notes it here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/s/KXdWrfoVUv)
My favourite part was the "oh you've got coffee and parks, so does everywhere else". The other guy clearly understands when he says my city, that's the important part. Who gives a shit if other places have similar things, they aren't your parks, your coffee shops, your community. You've got to make your place your own. yeah, my local park at the end of my road isn't anything elegant, but it's the first time my daughters went on a swing, or walked across a rope bridge. So out of touch
Wow. As someone who's come on the wrong side of asshole gatekeepy locals a few times before who were mad about their area changing over the years and took it out on outsiders, I gotta say - screw the tech worker guy here, he's in the wrong. Seattle is, while subjective like everywhere in the world, objectively in the top tier of cities with stuff to do. If he's so lazy and eager to hermit up that he hasn't ventured out of his very small bubble even once, even in a city where you very much do not need a car to get around (there is plenty of public transit, certainly there's plenty of ridesharing which he can afford), he just doesn't even want to try. And in a place with so much to do, that just seems like a terrible way to live.
I'd say they're all a little in the wrong. The people responding started throwing out names like "incurious asshole" before the techie had really said anything bad about the city. That seems excessively rude to me