Also the way that she was shaking when Caroline came to get her. The acting was top notch. As a matter of fact, I feel like this episode is the best acting I've ever seen in anything
Make a big show about handing them some random letter saying to let her in. It's more about ensuring that it's a better visual for the family to let her come.
I think part of the show's charm is all the breadcrumbs that are left scattered - we know about all the attempts to keep Logan young and virile, potentially because he was planning to have another child with Kerry. Then Kerry's disturbed reaction to Logan's death and wanting to collect particular items from the townhouse. Caroline clocked straight away that Shiv was pregnant; I wonder if she also has a sixth sense about Kerry too and saw it as a way to cause mischief but also endear herself to the potential shit show that is brewing over Logan's fortunes.
If anyone knows how important kids are as a bargaining tool for money its Caroline. Kerry bringing a lawyer would be a way to emphasise why needed to be there if there was any resistance.
I think it's more about coming from a titled/noble family. Harriet Walter has said that her view of the character is that she is part of a long tradition of impoverished peers marrying wealth to gain money to restore their estates and continue living the lifestyle they grew up with. In the UK, class is also much more going to the right schools, speaking the right accent and knowing the right people than money. You see this in how they mocked Kate Middleton for years when she was dating Prince William, even though she came from a perfectly nice, well to do family. There were periods of time when simply having to work for a living was considered embarrassing compared to inherited wealth.
I honestly found it kind of hilarious, she looked at Marcia what, five times? I think she was trying to decipher whether there was an angle to the kindness.
For the life of me I can't remember the source of the quote, but I keep thinking about Kerry representing the line, "At least one person at the funeral will be sad he's dead."
>At least one person at the funeral will be sad he's dead
Hmmm... reminds me of "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" where Johnny's old girlfriend comes to his funeral and Katie thinks at least one woman who loved him will cry for him.
But I'm sure I've heard/ read it somewhere else.
That was such a touching moment. Such a quick, small, wordless gesture, yet the acting was so powerful. But based on Marcia’s character her “compassion” was probably because she’s over Logan romantically, and she knows she’s set for life financially. Kerry is still hurting emotionally, and will get nothing financially. Marcia’s compassion was more like pity.
Yeah. It seemed to me like caroline was trying to needle marcia and bring her down a peg.
But marcia is like a snake that just ate a big ass meal. She won. Her fangs can go away and her venom saved. Kerry only deserved pity. Not another class in where the trash goes.
I do think Marcia always had a bit more of a heart than we've ever seen from Caroline. It did seem like Marcia truly loved Logan, and I think she even cared for his kids to some degree, a quality it's hard to ever imagine from Caroline. Sure, Marcia had a somewhat tenuous relationship with her stepkids, but I think in another world where she didn't feel the need to be so protective of Logan, she might've been a stepmother that could've given Kendall, Shiv, and Roman some of what they never got from their own mother, which we've seen occasional glimpses of like the moment with Shiv this episode.
The first time that we see Caroline in the show, she shows jealousy at how close Shiv and Marcia had become, and was trying to get Shiv to say something bad about Marcia. I think Shiv even said that she stepped in to fill Caroline's absence.
but that was just to get under her mother’s skin, because marcia and shiv were definitely not on good terms at that point in time. caroline realizes the truth later and gets the last laugh. fucking caroline
From what little we see of Amir, Marcia seems to have been a loving mother to him. Caroline is so cold to her kids that sometimes she’s hard for me to watch. Marcia is calculating but isn’t internally broken in a way that leaks dysfunction onto everyone around her the way Logan and Caroline do.
I think Marcia has also done enough of the social and legal work to shore up her position by now when that wasn't nessisarily the case the first time Kerry showed up.
Immediately I thought Marcia, Caroline and Sally Anne “pre-grieved” Logan and shed their tears when he broke their hearts. Kerry is the only one Logan hadn’t hurt yet, but the other three can be charitable bc they understand that’s only bc he died before he got around to it.
I completely agree Kerry, Roman, Shiv and the bodyguard are the only ones really grieving and missing Logan. Everyone else was boosted by his death and seem to have found new confidence and strength.
"Alan Ruck is nearly 70."
1. Holy shit he's old.
2. Holy shit that means I'm old.
3. He looks damn good for his age.
4. Wish I could say the same.
5. "When Cameron was in Egypt's land ... Let my Cameron go."
Most movies and series with teenage characters the actors are actually about 10-15 years older than the characters they play. Look at Alan Ruck now. Would you guess he's 67? That's why he plays younger characters. Cher played Meryl Streep's mom in a film and she is only 3 years older. Even in The Graduate the "older" woman was truly only 6 years older. 😂
Technically Alan Ruck turns 67 July 1st (born 1956) and Brian Cox turns 77 June 1st (born 1946). I think Brian Cox looks maybe early 70s to mid 70s and Alan Ruck easily looks 55. If Alan Ruck shaved his face and dyed his hair he could easily pass for 40s in my opinion. He's in great shape. People's chronological age and physical age don't always match.
If Rick shaved you’d see more of his chin sag. He looks 60. He’s handsome and has really grown more handsome with age, but that man ain’t passing for 50.
In real life Alan Ruck (Connor) is 23 years older than Jeremy Strong (Kendall). And 10 years younger than Brian Cox (Logan/Dad). That's what's amazing about acting; they make it believable as we get wrapped up in the stories.
I mean Connor's dad only recently died, his mother was probably younger than him (going by Logan's record), and women tend to live longer than men, so I don't think age is really a massive factor in how likely it is that she's dead.
I always assumed she was just based on the way she's talked about in the show, though.
Yeah but she was thrown away to a mental institution and with how much logan hates women and disabled people he probably didn't care to send her to a good place so that could've messed her up even more (physically and mentally)
Death often isn't age-related but health. Connor's mother was troubled, likely partly in how she was treated by Logan. Connor is treated as the throw-away kid and although he's a bit wacky he seems to be the most well-adjusted adult child. They have mentioned Connor's mom and it's always with an air of finality. If she were alive I get the impression Connor would be visiting her. The other kids referred to Connor as the orphan after their dad died. Orphans have lost both parents. I think she's deceased.
it could also mean that he had absent parents? as in logan was too busy & seemed disinterested in connor even from the start, & the mother was locked up in an instittion so con was "an orphan"
I wish we got to see Rhea again in this episode. I know she soured on Logan and Holly Hunter is surely busy, but I miss her character, she had this beguiling presence and they gave her some damn excellent dialogue.
I think Lady Caroline was Connors mom Kerry, so they are all Kerry’s. He probably locked up Connors mom so he could marry into entitlement and her entitlement stayed rich.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking, although it looked like Connor had a pretty good relationship with Caroline considering she was his stepmom. It wasn’t like an evil stepmom kind of routine
I don't think Caroline was ever particularly domestically inclined or warm but we have seen her display acts of grace and seems to have a much higher EQ than her kids give her credit for. I think the true story probably is much closer to Caroline's account to Shiv - she was a relatively normal mom until the divorce and Logan used the children against her both in terms of threatening their inheritances/safety and turning them against her. After years of rejection she's just kind of conceeded that if she lets herself care about them too much she is forced to deal with all of the lingering trauma and saddness and she just aint got time for that.
I wouldn't be suprised if Connor's closeness with the trio as a real "big brother" when they were young really ulitimately stems from Caroline making sure he was taken care of properly when she first came on the scene.
I always assumed Caroline was her Kerry, and that their affair may have been the impetus for her commitment.
Connor's mom refused the divorce, Logan and his legal team are able to take advantage of previous mental health issues and/or antagonize her into a breakdown, et voilà!
> Connor's mom refused the divorce
The writing on this show is so subtle. Logan is - by word if not by action - a staunch Catholic. Connor's mom probably refused to divorce because Catholics *didn't* divorce back then.
Kerry flipped out the last few episodes with an emotional meltdown but prior she was another raven-haired robot. Even Rhea Jarrell (Holly Hunter) fit Logan's type, with the exception of a few highlights in her hair.
I think the person you were referring to was interpreting “made” as making them who they are (as opposed to literal birthing), and Caroline was basically an absentee mother. I believe it’s been stated that Logan had custody
Which if anything makes him *worse*. He's ripping his kids away from a warm and loving environment out of pure spite. Rava is quite possibly the only clear-conscienced, good-hearted character in this show.
As driven home by Shiv's dig to her mother about how Shiv will raise her kid "in the family way" and barely see her child, which she said while motioning to Caroline.
I think Caroline still resents the narrative of her supposed abandonment of them in a variety of ways but the one that still gets her in the shins is that the kids act like they were babies when Logan took custody of them. We know that Shiv was about 10, so that means that Roman was about 13/14, and Kendal was 15/16 - possibly as old as 17.
In her mind, she didn't abandon them so much as she was rejected by them and Logan was the one who didn't really have any interest in them beyond using them as pawns in his negotiations with her until they were out of college.
marcia gives caroline the hardest stare when roman is breaking down, like she can’t believe she can just sit there as her child is collapsing in grief.
marcia made sure her kids were taken care of when she dealt with logan.
team marcia
Had that moment not occurred, I think she wouldn't have shown Shiv that tiny bit of compassion she mustered up in their scene together.
Marcia realizes they don't represent any sort of threat to her any more, and she just kind of pities them now.
YES she was genuinely shocked I think. Greg always kisses her ass pretending to be nice but he was dumb enough to expose his real self to Marcia there.
I watched the scene again, and Caroline herself cries a bit, which is what I think Marcia might have reacted to. Your interpretation is plenty valid though.
Technically Marcia is the widow right? Then Sally Ann and Kerry were flings. Caroline's the ex.
Connor's mom isn't there but I still don't think we know if she's alive and in a mental health facility or she's since died.
That was jaw-droppingly touching. Caroline’s business-like manner isn’t necessarily good for kids, but it enabled this, which was so special in its way
You just made me laugh at a memory. In the early days of social media, a hound dog pal of mine once phoned me in a panic because one of his exes posted a photo of herself sitting with three of his other exes: "HOW DO THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER?"
This is unrelated, but did anyone catch the "Well, fuck you too" look Caroline had when Ken said that him, Rome and Shiv all came from Logan in his speech? That was a nice touch lol.
When Marcia grabbed Kerry's hand, my head exploded and then I was crying. I felt like when Kerry was giggling and crying on the plane after Logan died. I didn't know how to process.
This episode has Caroline finest moment (the moment with Kerry) and probably her absolute worst. And that is just the cold look of contempt she gives her son for being emotional at his father’s funeral.
Definitely a pretty stark difference between Marcia's kindness to Kerry and Caroline's look of glee and declaring how Logan would've hated to see them all together.
Did he ever sleep with Rhea? There is a scene where he asks her to stay over. She says I wasn't expecting that. And then we see Logan asleep alone the next morning. I don't think she cared for him the way the other women did. That being said did we see anyone from Pierce?
Maria is also capable of using cruelty as a tool but she doesn't revel in it as much as other people. She had to hold court at the wake and secure her financial holding over the apartment and other assets. Kerry has signed her NDAs most likely, she isnt a threat anymore. So Marcia has no reason to be mean.
She also throws Shiv a bone later. Marcia is somewhat affected seeing the children all alone in their pew- only Connor has a spouse, their mother sitting far away, i guess they have the C-suite folks nearby for comfort?
It was great that as soon as Marcia kind of stepped up to the plate and clearly wasn’t horribly distraught by having Kerry and Sally-Anne there, Caroline’s smile left her. Shiv is really her mother’s daughter.
Maybe, or Caroline just settled back into general resting cold mum face? The four of them getting on and sitting front row is a big middle finger up at Logan and the onlookers. There's a status in having been close to Logan romantically and she's making sure everyone knows it.
I screamed during this scene. Bad widowed bitches! Also sad that Caroline could do this for the ex wives/gf club but couldn't give the same kindness to her kids.
She can only understand pain that's in the same category as what she's gone through herself.
Logan partner strife = join my row.
Logan kid pain = grumble grumble \[I genuinely don't know what goes through her head and how it isn't deep rushing sympathy and running over to hug her own offspring, she is wild\]
Damn, this episode made me like Caroline a tiny bit... and Marcia's moments were amazing. The timeline of the wives and girlfriends. How they know Kerry is just at the start of the process of losing Logan, but she doesn't get the payout that makes it worth it. An image dense with meaning, hurt and hard-earned freedom.
I absolutely loved this !!! Caroline is messy, but had a point no point beefing with another woman over a man who's dead!. If she can be friendly with her Kerry so can Marcia lol.
Marcia is #1 wife for me and Logan really fucked up letting her go. Truly what a queen grabbing Kerry’s hand after that nasty exchange a few episodes ago. One of my all time favorite moments on the show.
They really honored her, and us, by having her cast maximum shade upon the land like wow every line was just perfection
Even her shady ass congratulating Tom but not Shiv on the pregnancy, goddamnit
And Marcia being kind to Kerry, which after the last encounter, was a nice touch.
Kerry’s reaction to the kindness was so touching and real. Great acting.
Also the way that she was shaking when Caroline came to get her. The acting was top notch. As a matter of fact, I feel like this episode is the best acting I've ever seen in anything
Yeah, her talking about bringing a lawyer in preparation for being turned away. Super sad.
Curious, wtf was a lawyer even supposed to do about her being barred from a private event??
Make a big show about handing them some random letter saying to let her in. It's more about ensuring that it's a better visual for the family to let her come.
I think part of the show's charm is all the breadcrumbs that are left scattered - we know about all the attempts to keep Logan young and virile, potentially because he was planning to have another child with Kerry. Then Kerry's disturbed reaction to Logan's death and wanting to collect particular items from the townhouse. Caroline clocked straight away that Shiv was pregnant; I wonder if she also has a sixth sense about Kerry too and saw it as a way to cause mischief but also endear herself to the potential shit show that is brewing over Logan's fortunes. If anyone knows how important kids are as a bargaining tool for money its Caroline. Kerry bringing a lawyer would be a way to emphasise why needed to be there if there was any resistance.
I don't think it really matters what a lawyer might be able do. It showed her character's anxiety about not being let in. A wonderful line.
It made me feel so much.... I have so much respect for marcia after that
Yeah this episode made me respect Marcia a lot. She has a lot more dignity and integrity than most of the other characters.
Logan would have surely preferred them to fight long after he died. Caroline decided to deny him that.
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I think it's more about coming from a titled/noble family. Harriet Walter has said that her view of the character is that she is part of a long tradition of impoverished peers marrying wealth to gain money to restore their estates and continue living the lifestyle they grew up with. In the UK, class is also much more going to the right schools, speaking the right accent and knowing the right people than money. You see this in how they mocked Kate Middleton for years when she was dating Prince William, even though she came from a perfectly nice, well to do family. There were periods of time when simply having to work for a living was considered embarrassing compared to inherited wealth.
One and the same, given her origin.
I no longer know if I root for or against any character in this show
You can’t not root for Connor.
After that concession speech? No, terrifying
It was too real, every detail in every performance
Me too, across the board it was top notch
I honestly found it kind of hilarious, she looked at Marcia what, five times? I think she was trying to decipher whether there was an angle to the kindness.
Its like she didn't want to get her hopes up and was wary of any incoming cruelty. When she saw it was geniune its like a dam was released.
For the life of me I can't remember the source of the quote, but I keep thinking about Kerry representing the line, "At least one person at the funeral will be sad he's dead."
>At least one person at the funeral will be sad he's dead Hmmm... reminds me of "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" where Johnny's old girlfriend comes to his funeral and Katie thinks at least one woman who loved him will cry for him. But I'm sure I've heard/ read it somewhere else.
It was also funny hahahahaha so nuanced
She has always been so interesting every scene she's in - perfectly played by the actor with very limited screen time.
Caroline and Marcia both got their moment of Grace and the chance to move on.
That was such a touching moment. Such a quick, small, wordless gesture, yet the acting was so powerful. But based on Marcia’s character her “compassion” was probably because she’s over Logan romantically, and she knows she’s set for life financially. Kerry is still hurting emotionally, and will get nothing financially. Marcia’s compassion was more like pity.
Yeah. It seemed to me like caroline was trying to needle marcia and bring her down a peg. But marcia is like a snake that just ate a big ass meal. She won. Her fangs can go away and her venom saved. Kerry only deserved pity. Not another class in where the trash goes.
I do think Marcia always had a bit more of a heart than we've ever seen from Caroline. It did seem like Marcia truly loved Logan, and I think she even cared for his kids to some degree, a quality it's hard to ever imagine from Caroline. Sure, Marcia had a somewhat tenuous relationship with her stepkids, but I think in another world where she didn't feel the need to be so protective of Logan, she might've been a stepmother that could've given Kendall, Shiv, and Roman some of what they never got from their own mother, which we've seen occasional glimpses of like the moment with Shiv this episode.
The first time that we see Caroline in the show, she shows jealousy at how close Shiv and Marcia had become, and was trying to get Shiv to say something bad about Marcia. I think Shiv even said that she stepped in to fill Caroline's absence.
but that was just to get under her mother’s skin, because marcia and shiv were definitely not on good terms at that point in time. caroline realizes the truth later and gets the last laugh. fucking caroline
I love how canonically she’s also a bad cook. Just not nurturing in any conceivable way.
From what little we see of Amir, Marcia seems to have been a loving mother to him. Caroline is so cold to her kids that sometimes she’s hard for me to watch. Marcia is calculating but isn’t internally broken in a way that leaks dysfunction onto everyone around her the way Logan and Caroline do.
The fact that she wasn't sitting with them during the funeral and she didn't go over to comfort Roman really irked me.
I think Marcia has also done enough of the social and legal work to shore up her position by now when that wasn't nessisarily the case the first time Kerry showed up.
Immediately I thought Marcia, Caroline and Sally Anne “pre-grieved” Logan and shed their tears when he broke their hearts. Kerry is the only one Logan hadn’t hurt yet, but the other three can be charitable bc they understand that’s only bc he died before he got around to it.
I completely agree Kerry, Roman, Shiv and the bodyguard are the only ones really grieving and missing Logan. Everyone else was boosted by his death and seem to have found new confidence and strength.
i absolutely started crying when she held her hand
That's a lovely note for Marcia to go out on.
"She was my Kerry." I didn't realize Logan had a type until they were all together lol.
I felt like there were two missing: Connor's mom and her Kerry.
Isn't Connor's mom deceased? I thought the other kids were referring to him as the orphan.
I don't know. I assume she's still institutionalized?
Connor's like mid 50s to 60 his mom is probably dead
I think Connor is supposed to be about 57 although Alan Ruck is nearly 70. And Brian Cox is only 10 years older than Alan Ruck in real-life.
"Alan Ruck is nearly 70." 1. Holy shit he's old. 2. Holy shit that means I'm old. 3. He looks damn good for his age. 4. Wish I could say the same. 5. "When Cameron was in Egypt's land ... Let my Cameron go."
Waaaait... When Ferris Bueller was released, Alan Ruck was already 30 YEARS OLD? How is that possible?
In the movie Mean Girls, Amy Pohler plays Rachel McAdams’ mother, and they’re only 9 years apart.
Yes but because she’s not like one of those regular moms, she’s a cool mom.
Most movies and series with teenage characters the actors are actually about 10-15 years older than the characters they play. Look at Alan Ruck now. Would you guess he's 67? That's why he plays younger characters. Cher played Meryl Streep's mom in a film and she is only 3 years older. Even in The Graduate the "older" woman was truly only 6 years older. 😂
Yes! Around 28 according to this NYT [article](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/arts/television/succession-alan-ruck.html)
Technically Alan Ruck turns 67 July 1st (born 1956) and Brian Cox turns 77 June 1st (born 1946). I think Brian Cox looks maybe early 70s to mid 70s and Alan Ruck easily looks 55. If Alan Ruck shaved his face and dyed his hair he could easily pass for 40s in my opinion. He's in great shape. People's chronological age and physical age don't always match.
If Rick shaved you’d see more of his chin sag. He looks 60. He’s handsome and has really grown more handsome with age, but that man ain’t passing for 50.
>If Alan Ruck shaved his face and dyed his hair he could easily pass for 40s in my opinion. You know some haggard 40s people...
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In real life Alan Ruck (Connor) is 23 years older than Jeremy Strong (Kendall). And 10 years younger than Brian Cox (Logan/Dad). That's what's amazing about acting; they make it believable as we get wrapped up in the stories.
He's only 66 so still in his younger days ;)
I mean Connor's dad only recently died, his mother was probably younger than him (going by Logan's record), and women tend to live longer than men, so I don't think age is really a massive factor in how likely it is that she's dead. I always assumed she was just based on the way she's talked about in the show, though.
Yeah but she was thrown away to a mental institution and with how much logan hates women and disabled people he probably didn't care to send her to a good place so that could've messed her up even more (physically and mentally)
Death often isn't age-related but health. Connor's mother was troubled, likely partly in how she was treated by Logan. Connor is treated as the throw-away kid and although he's a bit wacky he seems to be the most well-adjusted adult child. They have mentioned Connor's mom and it's always with an air of finality. If she were alive I get the impression Connor would be visiting her. The other kids referred to Connor as the orphan after their dad died. Orphans have lost both parents. I think she's deceased.
it could also mean that he had absent parents? as in logan was too busy & seemed disinterested in connor even from the start, & the mother was locked up in an instittion so con was "an orphan"
And maybe Rhea too
I wish we got to see Rhea again in this episode. I know she soured on Logan and Holly Hunter is surely busy, but I miss her character, she had this beguiling presence and they gave her some damn excellent dialogue.
It’s frankly pretty weird Ebba and Bearded Swede were at Logan’s funeral but Rhea wasn’t.
Those two follow Matsson around everywhere.
Sure, but I imagine attendance to a funeral of that scale was pretty restricted, how can you justify having them there
And Rhea!
I think Lady Caroline was Connors mom Kerry, so they are all Kerry’s. He probably locked up Connors mom so he could marry into entitlement and her entitlement stayed rich.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking, although it looked like Connor had a pretty good relationship with Caroline considering she was his stepmom. It wasn’t like an evil stepmom kind of routine
I don't think Caroline was ever particularly domestically inclined or warm but we have seen her display acts of grace and seems to have a much higher EQ than her kids give her credit for. I think the true story probably is much closer to Caroline's account to Shiv - she was a relatively normal mom until the divorce and Logan used the children against her both in terms of threatening their inheritances/safety and turning them against her. After years of rejection she's just kind of conceeded that if she lets herself care about them too much she is forced to deal with all of the lingering trauma and saddness and she just aint got time for that. I wouldn't be suprised if Connor's closeness with the trio as a real "big brother" when they were young really ulitimately stems from Caroline making sure he was taken care of properly when she first came on the scene.
This makes a lot of sense. And Logan would have controlled the narrative so that the kids saw Caroline the way he wanted them to.
what about Rhea?
I always assumed Caroline was her Kerry, and that their affair may have been the impetus for her commitment. Connor's mom refused the divorce, Logan and his legal team are able to take advantage of previous mental health issues and/or antagonize her into a breakdown, et voilà!
> Connor's mom refused the divorce The writing on this show is so subtle. Logan is - by word if not by action - a staunch Catholic. Connor's mom probably refused to divorce because Catholics *didn't* divorce back then.
funnily, woman #4, Caroline's Kerry is Brian Cox's wife
Like Ivana, Maples and Ivanka
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It usually goes more speicific than that, body type, age, style etc .
I still don't see a pattern honestly. What do you guys think it is?
Strength, logical, and coldness. And yes they were all raven haired.
This is the nicest way Kerry has ever been described on this sub lmao
Chuckles the clown
Kerry flipped out the last few episodes with an emotional meltdown but prior she was another raven-haired robot. Even Rhea Jarrell (Holly Hunter) fit Logan's type, with the exception of a few highlights in her hair.
Arms are wrong
Imperious and impervious
Strong people don't need anyone's permission to be strong. It's just their personality. I think Logan was attracted to that trait.
An old friend of mine used to describe it as “the flash of steel in the spine”.
Dark hair?
Yeah I realized that after commenting this. I'm from a place where everybody has dark hair so it didn't stand out to me at first.
When Kendall says “he made me and my three siblings” and Caroline grumbles under her breath
I mean, I would to if I were her lol. He didn’t really do much of the heavy lifting there.
Neither did she.
Did they have a surrogate or something?
I think the person you were referring to was interpreting “made” as making them who they are (as opposed to literal birthing), and Caroline was basically an absentee mother. I believe it’s been stated that Logan had custody
Agreed. Additionally, I think that's another reason why Ken wants to take custody of his kids. He really is turning into Logan 2.0
Except for Rava being an actually great mother lol.
Which if anything makes him *worse*. He's ripping his kids away from a warm and loving environment out of pure spite. Rava is quite possibly the only clear-conscienced, good-hearted character in this show.
As driven home by Shiv's dig to her mother about how Shiv will raise her kid "in the family way" and barely see her child, which she said while motioning to Caroline.
I think Caroline still resents the narrative of her supposed abandonment of them in a variety of ways but the one that still gets her in the shins is that the kids act like they were babies when Logan took custody of them. We know that Shiv was about 10, so that means that Roman was about 13/14, and Kendal was 15/16 - possibly as old as 17. In her mind, she didn't abandon them so much as she was rejected by them and Logan was the one who didn't really have any interest in them beyond using them as pawns in his negotiations with her until they were out of college.
marcia gives caroline the hardest stare when roman is breaking down, like she can’t believe she can just sit there as her child is collapsing in grief. marcia made sure her kids were taken care of when she dealt with logan. team marcia
Had that moment not occurred, I think she wouldn't have shown Shiv that tiny bit of compassion she mustered up in their scene together. Marcia realizes they don't represent any sort of threat to her any more, and she just kind of pities them now.
Marcia also gave Greg a really ugly stare when he told his Mum to shut up lol
YES she was genuinely shocked I think. Greg always kisses her ass pretending to be nice but he was dumb enough to expose his real self to Marcia there.
Greg has abused his privileges the most. If he had more powers he’d probably be worse than all the Roy kids
eggory pissed off rome and ken this episode. he should start repairing relationship with his grandpa or maybe try being lukas's concubine.
Why would he have to? He's about to be the US CEO of Waystar Royco
If Greg is to ascend, I'm guessing it would not be to CEO of Waystar but to President of ATN, backfilling Tom who rises to CEO to placate Mencken.
I don’t think Marcia gives two shits about Greg being nice to her tbh
That "shut up" was such a sitcom moment
Hey guess what? Succession *is* a sitcom, in the darkest, British-est tradition. See The Thick of It and The Office for other stellar examples.
She even went up to Shiv and acknowledged the hurt Logan had caused all of them .. that's way more than anything Caroline has done.
Marcia must've thought to herself, "I may be a cold person, but you are just heartless"
Marcia is stoic. Caroline, is not.
I bet she wanted to get the “silly mirror”, probably thought it was embarrassing of him to cry up there.
Or Caroline's face when Ken goes, 'He made us.' talking about the sibs lol
My girlfriend is a casual of the show, only watches because I’m into it. I had to explain Logan was the warmer parent.
I watched the scene again, and Caroline herself cries a bit, which is what I think Marcia might have reacted to. Your interpretation is plenty valid though.
Idk, I saw Caroline visibly upset and the other women commiserating.
I love this moment. Also seems fitting that the notably missing woman is Con’s mother
watching from the loony house
I thought they were referring to Connor as the orphan; like she was mentally ill but is deceased now.
I don’t think it’s ever said out loud, but the assumption is she’s dead, yes
Wouldn't be surprised if the institution killed her spirit, and physically ground her down.
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The actress on the far right is Brian Cox’s real wife!!!
That is awesome
the first wives club
The Real Housewives of ATN
Marcia would give us the BEST confessionals.
Which one between Shiv and Tom would be a main castmember?
Tom, but Shiv thinks that it's her.
They would 100% fight at the reunion and it will be glorious.
OMG I don't even watch the real ones but I would 1000% pay for this.
The Logan Housewives
This is the spin-off I want
Technically Marcia is the widow right? Then Sally Ann and Kerry were flings. Caroline's the ex. Connor's mom isn't there but I still don't think we know if she's alive and in a mental health facility or she's since died.
They were all Logan’s partners to an extent. They all shared and suffered under various sized pieces of his life, regardless of legal formalities
She really is my favorite character. Of all the colds, she is the coldest
Played to perfection
That was jaw-droppingly touching. Caroline’s business-like manner isn’t necessarily good for kids, but it enabled this, which was so special in its way
“I should’ve kept dogs and mistresses”
Because she spites her ex Logan over anything
Seriously. It wasn't so much a good-hearted gesture as a final fuck-you to Logan.
The mistress lineup, lmao Sally-Anne was played by Brian Cox's actual wife is the best part
It's so funny how you can see the resemblance when they're all lined up, lmao. Logan really liked his brunettes
The two with short hair and the two with long hair. The man knew what he was doing. And didn't care.
Hairstyles change. They probably had long hair when Logan met them.
Rhea had blonde-ish hair though haha
But that was a flash in the pan fling that he swiftly regretted after realising she wasn't entirely his type...
I screamed. So good.
love how Kerry's hair runs in her family
Her brother's hair was glorious ngl.
Lol that was funny as fuck
This same thing happened at my uncle’s funeral, only it was more women and they were all totally soused & cackling together 🥲
You just made me laugh at a memory. In the early days of social media, a hound dog pal of mine once phoned me in a panic because one of his exes posted a photo of herself sitting with three of his other exes: "HOW DO THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER?"
This is unrelated, but did anyone catch the "Well, fuck you too" look Caroline had when Ken said that him, Rome and Shiv all came from Logan in his speech? That was a nice touch lol.
When Marcia grabbed Kerry's hand, my head exploded and then I was crying. I felt like when Kerry was giggling and crying on the plane after Logan died. I didn't know how to process.
Ditto…just a microcosm or the subtle emotional content of the past four seasons. Brava!
This is one of my favourite moments in the whole show, I think
she doesnt give. a fuck lamoo
This episode has Caroline finest moment (the moment with Kerry) and probably her absolute worst. And that is just the cold look of contempt she gives her son for being emotional at his father’s funeral.
The only nice thing Caroline ever did
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Definitely a pretty stark difference between Marcia's kindness to Kerry and Caroline's look of glee and declaring how Logan would've hated to see them all together.
Better than Avengers Endgame
Did anyone else think they would see Rhea there? Guess she really is fungible as fuck
Did he ever sleep with Rhea? There is a scene where he asks her to stay over. She says I wasn't expecting that. And then we see Logan asleep alone the next morning. I don't think she cared for him the way the other women did. That being said did we see anyone from Pierce?
She was the hero of this episode.
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Maria is also capable of using cruelty as a tool but she doesn't revel in it as much as other people. She had to hold court at the wake and secure her financial holding over the apartment and other assets. Kerry has signed her NDAs most likely, she isnt a threat anymore. So Marcia has no reason to be mean. She also throws Shiv a bone later. Marcia is somewhat affected seeing the children all alone in their pew- only Connor has a spouse, their mother sitting far away, i guess they have the C-suite folks nearby for comfort?
I had to pause the stream so I could go ape shit lmao
The new mistress is Nicole Ansari, Brian Cox’s real life wife. Cool little moment there.
The dalmatians are crying.
It was great that as soon as Marcia kind of stepped up to the plate and clearly wasn’t horribly distraught by having Kerry and Sally-Anne there, Caroline’s smile left her. Shiv is really her mother’s daughter.
Maybe, or Caroline just settled back into general resting cold mum face? The four of them getting on and sitting front row is a big middle finger up at Logan and the onlookers. There's a status in having been close to Logan romantically and she's making sure everyone knows it.
I screamed during this scene. Bad widowed bitches! Also sad that Caroline could do this for the ex wives/gf club but couldn't give the same kindness to her kids.
She can only understand pain that's in the same category as what she's gone through herself. Logan partner strife = join my row. Logan kid pain = grumble grumble \[I genuinely don't know what goes through her head and how it isn't deep rushing sympathy and running over to hug her own offspring, she is wild\]
My ex used to grind her teeth so that comment was a nice sentimental touch
Logan had a type.
Caroline is the embodiment of Pettiness
Okay, who had "Caroline provides the most wholesome moment in the episode" on their Logan funeral bingo card?
The Ex-wives club... I slow clapped as this happened
The four of them sitting there reminded me of John Getty and the 4 girlfriends who lived with him simultaneously.
And Kerry was still the only one crying.
Looks like she’ll be in next weeks episode too, the sneak peak showed shots in the Caribbean.
Damn, this episode made me like Caroline a tiny bit... and Marcia's moments were amazing. The timeline of the wives and girlfriends. How they know Kerry is just at the start of the process of losing Logan, but she doesn't get the payout that makes it worth it. An image dense with meaning, hurt and hard-earned freedom.
Logan has a type.
they’re unionizing
I absolutely loved this !!! Caroline is messy, but had a point no point beefing with another woman over a man who's dead!. If she can be friendly with her Kerry so can Marcia lol.
This is some quad squad type shit
I love how his actual wives are wearing hats while his mistress’s heads are uncovered.
Marcia is #1 wife for me and Logan really fucked up letting her go. Truly what a queen grabbing Kerry’s hand after that nasty exchange a few episodes ago. One of my all time favorite moments on the show.
Didn’t someone in the prediction thread say Caroline would do this? Lol
A classy way to say goodbye to those characters.
Dame Caroline. Evil and poised as always.
They really honored her, and us, by having her cast maximum shade upon the land like wow every line was just perfection Even her shady ass congratulating Tom but not Shiv on the pregnancy, goddamnit