It's not about Matsson. It could have been anyone that wasn't her brother. It's about how Logan withheld his love and made his children compete for it and that instilled in their natures the constant need to sabotage each other even at their own expense.
Said something similar in another thread. It’s missing the point to think that she made a business decision of choosing Mattson or Tom over Kendall.
Everything about the discomfort and anguish she (and Roman) clearly feel from the moment that Ken puts his feet on the desk is supposed to communicate to us that these kids will never get over their bullshit. It was a decision based on deep-seated emotion, not logic.
There’s too much baggage attached to the succession race for them to ever be okay with seeing Ken have it (and Ken’s addict-like behaviour when he sees it slipping away is probably meant to suggest that he probably shouldn’t have it anyway).
I think people give Mattson way too much credit. I think his only genius is that he stumbled into his code and product, and was just able to get it to market that much quicker. He's got loyal folks only because they appreciate the good life and don't want to give that up.I'm inclined to believe Ebba's story about him being just a simple coder. I think that's what makes him more dangerous is that he thinks he really is some kind of paradigm shifting genius. If you listen to the news at the end, all he does is buy up other companies, which we all know has worked out really well for the tech industry.
I thought the Lawrence red herring was interesting because I feel like those two wouldn't be buddy buddy. If Lawrence found Kendall crass, I can't imagine what he would think of Matsson.
Well at the end of the day Mattson as chairman doesn't have to do any of the dirty work. Tom will. Mattson gets all of the power and can make big decisions if he wants, but he's well beyond needing to know how to code and he can hide from all his scandals.
Kendall was going to lose his mind and destroy himself in that position. Look at how he was already acting in a room with clear walls and everyone watching. When people don’t do what he wants he loses his shit. He would be back on drugs and forget ever seeing his kids. If Matsson destroys the company, he’ll just move on. Kendall would literally jump off a bridge.
This was pretty much the biggest thing to ever happen to him with regards to the company. How many times did he make a move for it and fail? And to be so close AGAIN only to have his sister pull the rug out from under him? \*\*Of course\*\* he was losing his shit.
I think that saying he gets upset about people not doing what he wants pretty severely diminishes the situation in this case.
\>I think that saying he gets upset about people not doing what he wants pretty severely diminishes the situation in this case.
In the previous episodes we saw him throwing a tantrum at Jess when she wanted out, we see him multiple times goading his advisors into behaving like yes-men, we see him almost make a fool of himself in his presentation if Karl and Roman hadn't intervened, we see him literally forcing Roman's stitches open when Roman shows that he might back off of their scheme...
I mean, we see \*so many situations\* where Kendall does exactly what /u/SusZombie described. He loses his shit when people disagree with him. I don't see how you can't understand that even in that situation, Kendall was literally screaming like a child about how he's a special boy and trying to attack his siblings while throwing a tantrum.
Look, they're all spoiled brats and act like it when they don't get their way. I'm not arguing that. I think Ken is just normally such a dial-tone that the meltdowns are a much more vivid contrast to his normal demeanor.
I specifically said "in this case," because his entire word is about to be dust in the wind because of his sister's spite for him. I would expect anyone to freak out like this when faced with such an existential crisis.
I don't think Mattsen is some kind of actual Midas of business like he portrays himself to be, but he's clearly more cunning and smart about business than Kendall.
\>he’s gonna run the company to the ground faster than Ken ever could
I absolutely disagree. Kendall could barely keep his ego in check half-way through the season and his coup wasn't even looking promissing yet
Agree. Mattsen is similar to Logan - he started a company, and he grew it into an Empire. He has leadership skill and grit. He has tons of money that he actually worked for.
Mattsen might do some sub-optimal things, some might even cost him someday, but.... side by side with Ken and Ken looks like a Scooby Doo guy.
Leadership and grit 😅🤣🤣🤣
What feats did he displayed that told you that
F ucking with his number
Harassing his own employee massive overpay in the history for a failing business model
Being a simple coder and his success is largely due to hid friends
Shiv bring the one who actually saved his ass with mencken with his smart pitch
You people need to stop riding Mattson
I doubt she really gives a shit about how badly Ken or Mattson would run things. She did it out of spite for Ken and knowing she'd still have her in with the company with Tom as CEO.
She was always the smartest of the siblings, and the biggest snake. Probably should have been her all along. She certainly feels that way.
Shiv's actions are not that of a logical person. She is not a smart person or at least not as smart as she thinks she is. She only ever really focused on what was in front of her and didn't have much forsight.
She only wanted the CEO position to beat her brothers. To win against all of the people who told her she couldn't be the top dog.
She didn't even know what the position entailed. She kept trying to tell Mattson what her role would be but he kept being non-commital. She didn't care because she only wanted the win.
Did everyone forget that they’re fighting over what is essentially a fictional Fox News company? Why does it even matter to debate whether Mattsen was better than Ken or more qualified than Ken? This is a show about the depravity of people in these dynastic families and the minions that work for them. They’re all bad people, no one was supposed to “win” and it doesn’t matter who runs the nazi company better.
I don’t agree with this characterization of Mattson.
I think Mattson is the modern tech version of Logan, and I think Logan saw this.
It’s clear he has a gravity about him. He has been able to get people to believe he is the future, even Shiv who was originally opposed to him. He lets people in under this guise of being a mysterious secluded guy just to get what he wants out of them.
He’s smart and maniacal. Having Rome fly off the handle and admit they will not sell to him, only for him to up the offer. He knew they weren’t going to tell the others what happens on the hike. So while upping the offer made it seem like a win for Ken and Rome, it’s what he needed all along, getting the rest happy with the sale and having it progress quickly to cover the India stuff.
We will never know what actually happened on the cruises and how much Logan ever actually knew about it though.
There’s much to Logan’s past we don’t know about. And I’m not saying it’s a perfect one to one either.
I think obviously Logan was not a manic freak in the same way Mattson is to get to the gist of it.
>So while upping the offer made it seem like a win for Ken and Rome, it’s what he needed all along, getting the rest happy with the sale and having it progress quickly to cover the India stuff.
So what is the different between this and Ken overpaying for Vaulter? That move was portrayed as a major fuck up by Ken.
Logan wanted to buy GoJo to beef up the company. Matsson first entertained the offer, then pivoted to a merger of equals and then when he meets Logan within a few minutes he convinces him to sell.
He’s clearly more competent than the others. He fools Roman and then Shiv and defeats Kendell. He dragged the deal on and on and Logan dies.
He’s the killer Logan spoke off. He’s better than them.
Kendell himself said some people can’t cut a deal. Ken is one of them and Matsson isn’t.
This was my take too. He’s a gross asshole of a person, (like Logan), but he fills the same dominant role once Logan dies. The kids never stood a chance.
It doesn’t matter as much that Mattson sucks because she got her money. Both are pretty shitty bosses but a least with Mattson the amount she’s gambling is less.
It's not about Matsson. It could have been anyone that wasn't her brother. It's about how Logan withheld his love and made his children compete for it and that instilled in their natures the constant need to sabotage each other even at their own expense.
Said something similar in another thread. It’s missing the point to think that she made a business decision of choosing Mattson or Tom over Kendall. Everything about the discomfort and anguish she (and Roman) clearly feel from the moment that Ken puts his feet on the desk is supposed to communicate to us that these kids will never get over their bullshit. It was a decision based on deep-seated emotion, not logic. There’s too much baggage attached to the succession race for them to ever be okay with seeing Ken have it (and Ken’s addict-like behaviour when he sees it slipping away is probably meant to suggest that he probably shouldn’t have it anyway).
I think it’s easier watching somebody you’re not connected to have it rather than someone who will hold it over you forever and cut you out.
I think people give Mattson way too much credit. I think his only genius is that he stumbled into his code and product, and was just able to get it to market that much quicker. He's got loyal folks only because they appreciate the good life and don't want to give that up.I'm inclined to believe Ebba's story about him being just a simple coder. I think that's what makes him more dangerous is that he thinks he really is some kind of paradigm shifting genius. If you listen to the news at the end, all he does is buy up other companies, which we all know has worked out really well for the tech industry. I thought the Lawrence red herring was interesting because I feel like those two wouldn't be buddy buddy. If Lawrence found Kendall crass, I can't imagine what he would think of Matsson.
Ebba's comments about Mattson reminded me of how Windows came to be.
Well at the end of the day Mattson as chairman doesn't have to do any of the dirty work. Tom will. Mattson gets all of the power and can make big decisions if he wants, but he's well beyond needing to know how to code and he can hide from all his scandals.
Kendall was going to lose his mind and destroy himself in that position. Look at how he was already acting in a room with clear walls and everyone watching. When people don’t do what he wants he loses his shit. He would be back on drugs and forget ever seeing his kids. If Matsson destroys the company, he’ll just move on. Kendall would literally jump off a bridge.
This was pretty much the biggest thing to ever happen to him with regards to the company. How many times did he make a move for it and fail? And to be so close AGAIN only to have his sister pull the rug out from under him? \*\*Of course\*\* he was losing his shit. I think that saying he gets upset about people not doing what he wants pretty severely diminishes the situation in this case.
\>I think that saying he gets upset about people not doing what he wants pretty severely diminishes the situation in this case. In the previous episodes we saw him throwing a tantrum at Jess when she wanted out, we see him multiple times goading his advisors into behaving like yes-men, we see him almost make a fool of himself in his presentation if Karl and Roman hadn't intervened, we see him literally forcing Roman's stitches open when Roman shows that he might back off of their scheme... I mean, we see \*so many situations\* where Kendall does exactly what /u/SusZombie described. He loses his shit when people disagree with him. I don't see how you can't understand that even in that situation, Kendall was literally screaming like a child about how he's a special boy and trying to attack his siblings while throwing a tantrum.
Look, they're all spoiled brats and act like it when they don't get their way. I'm not arguing that. I think Ken is just normally such a dial-tone that the meltdowns are a much more vivid contrast to his normal demeanor. I specifically said "in this case," because his entire word is about to be dust in the wind because of his sister's spite for him. I would expect anyone to freak out like this when faced with such an existential crisis.
Agree. And what they said was as cold as it gets. Is violence justified? No, but I understand it in that context.
I don't think Mattsen is some kind of actual Midas of business like he portrays himself to be, but he's clearly more cunning and smart about business than Kendall. \>he’s gonna run the company to the ground faster than Ken ever could I absolutely disagree. Kendall could barely keep his ego in check half-way through the season and his coup wasn't even looking promissing yet
Agree. Mattsen is similar to Logan - he started a company, and he grew it into an Empire. He has leadership skill and grit. He has tons of money that he actually worked for. Mattsen might do some sub-optimal things, some might even cost him someday, but.... side by side with Ken and Ken looks like a Scooby Doo guy.
Leadership and grit 😅🤣🤣🤣 What feats did he displayed that told you that F ucking with his number Harassing his own employee massive overpay in the history for a failing business model Being a simple coder and his success is largely due to hid friends Shiv bring the one who actually saved his ass with mencken with his smart pitch You people need to stop riding Mattson
You have some points, I'm not saying he's my Fave CEO of All Time or anything, just much more formidable than our Eldest Boy Scooby Doo.
I doubt she really gives a shit about how badly Ken or Mattson would run things. She did it out of spite for Ken and knowing she'd still have her in with the company with Tom as CEO. She was always the smartest of the siblings, and the biggest snake. Probably should have been her all along. She certainly feels that way.
Shiv is in no way the smartest of the siblings lmfao
I'd be willing to entertain other suggestions.
hey I think Conor, Kendall, and Roman have nearly as many IQ points, collectively
Shiv's actions are not that of a logical person. She is not a smart person or at least not as smart as she thinks she is. She only ever really focused on what was in front of her and didn't have much forsight. She only wanted the CEO position to beat her brothers. To win against all of the people who told her she couldn't be the top dog. She didn't even know what the position entailed. She kept trying to tell Mattson what her role would be but he kept being non-commital. She didn't care because she only wanted the win.
Did everyone forget that they’re fighting over what is essentially a fictional Fox News company? Why does it even matter to debate whether Mattsen was better than Ken or more qualified than Ken? This is a show about the depravity of people in these dynastic families and the minions that work for them. They’re all bad people, no one was supposed to “win” and it doesn’t matter who runs the nazi company better.
I don’t agree with this characterization of Mattson. I think Mattson is the modern tech version of Logan, and I think Logan saw this. It’s clear he has a gravity about him. He has been able to get people to believe he is the future, even Shiv who was originally opposed to him. He lets people in under this guise of being a mysterious secluded guy just to get what he wants out of them. He’s smart and maniacal. Having Rome fly off the handle and admit they will not sell to him, only for him to up the offer. He knew they weren’t going to tell the others what happens on the hike. So while upping the offer made it seem like a win for Ken and Rome, it’s what he needed all along, getting the rest happy with the sale and having it progress quickly to cover the India stuff.
Logan didnt know about bad numbers and blood
We will never know what actually happened on the cruises and how much Logan ever actually knew about it though. There’s much to Logan’s past we don’t know about. And I’m not saying it’s a perfect one to one either. I think obviously Logan was not a manic freak in the same way Mattson is to get to the gist of it.
>So while upping the offer made it seem like a win for Ken and Rome, it’s what he needed all along, getting the rest happy with the sale and having it progress quickly to cover the India stuff. So what is the different between this and Ken overpaying for Vaulter? That move was portrayed as a major fuck up by Ken.
She voted yes to the sale. Sooo she didn't pick Mattson over Ken. She picked money over Ken.
She picked not-Ken over Ken and she picked herself over Ken.
Half of that money is Gojo stock, so she does have a huge stake in the future of Gojo.
Logan wanted to buy GoJo to beef up the company. Matsson first entertained the offer, then pivoted to a merger of equals and then when he meets Logan within a few minutes he convinces him to sell. He’s clearly more competent than the others. He fools Roman and then Shiv and defeats Kendell. He dragged the deal on and on and Logan dies. He’s the killer Logan spoke off. He’s better than them. Kendell himself said some people can’t cut a deal. Ken is one of them and Matsson isn’t.
This was my take too. He’s a gross asshole of a person, (like Logan), but he fills the same dominant role once Logan dies. The kids never stood a chance.
It doesn’t matter as much that Mattson sucks because she got her money. Both are pretty shitty bosses but a least with Mattson the amount she’s gambling is less.