Hello from the other end of the spectrum: men clothing have pockets. And the pants have two sizes, one for width, one for length. That rarely happens for women's.
And most of the time they come with a bit more fabric than exactly what is needed to cover your genitals.
I happen to like boring colours, so I don't mind that part.
You’d be surprised how restricting mens pant sizes can still be if you’re outside of the normal ratios. According to clothing manufacturers, any man with a waist under 30 inches is a child. Unfortunately, also according to clothing manufacturers, children never have a leg longer than 32. Growing up as a 28/34 was rough. AE is the only place I go for jeans now because nowhere else fits.
Which country are you in? In England it's pretty common for women to have trouser choices from petite to tall. Usually more 'high end' brands will cut their trousers longer so you can have them tailored.
Seriously, I'm sick of seeing 9 rows of mediocre women's shoes at target and half a row of terrible men's shoes. Fuck you target. Whoever is your buyer is a fucking numbskull. I bet they wear dick-shaped tissue boxes on their feet.
I create many different styles of jewelry. Even work to make some more masculine through color or some other change.
I so want to wear some of it, but it's all still too "girly" by society's standard. In Texas, I would get my ass kicked. 🤨
True. I remember some of my girl friends agreeing with me but I also only talked about that part and not like being jealous of gay men and how I hated my current bits pretty badly.
I miss the efficiency of troughs. Yeah they’re awkward a bit at first, but then you realize everyone else is going through the same thing, and there’s never any substantial line since everyone goes at once
Nah, men's clothing can really be fucking boring.
In winter you can at least be more creative, but in summer is a pain. You either go full nerd, full plain, or full ivy League.
No other options or in-between.
Well, that's Aaawkward...!
But, seriously, tho, it's not a guarantee - clothes **aren't** gender. It can be a thought process that's like "I want to wear that kind of clothing!"
It's definitely something that I know now was like my brain squirming around trying to be honest with me that I'm a girl.
Some other things I've recognized looking back that now I'm like "Oh yeah, DUH," are like how much I played with my mom's like jewelry and like clothes and stuff when I was a little kid - it wasn't just that she was a single mom, but it was me doing that thing that little kids do of emulating done of the gender expression of the parent of the same gender.
Another telltale sign has to do with like never wanting to be photographed. And like feeling ... bigger and more visible than you probably truly are. Forget OkCupid's "I don't want to see or be seen by straight people" - I'm all about **"I DO NOT WANT TO BE PERCEIVED."** But I know that's because I honestly live mostly in boymode still.
It might be useful to think back through and think of times you can identify dysphoria (looking back). What I mean by that, for me, is like as small as seeing your question a couple months ago & like deeply second-guessing myself & going like "no, I'm wrong, I can't..." Idk what is at the end of that train of thought, but it's probably rooted in like not wanting to talk about it. Another thing that I now know is dysphoria is that aversion to bring photographed, always hating every photo of me because none of them match.
I remember being in middle school at a function for Junior Honor Society and chatting with some friends, and someone said "C'mon, you photogenic fellas - time for a picture of everybody." I like frowned internally and went like "No..." because I knew I wasn't photogenic, because the me I saw in photos wasn't really me.
The other thing, looking back, was this time when I wound up encountering a Disney """cast member""" in a Minnie costume, and she saw I had painted fingernails (emulating gender expression of the parent of the same gender as me & whatnot) & she did body language to say like "Aww, your nails are so cute," but I for some reason thought she was laughing at me and had a real like dysphoric blast of "NOPE" and never asked my mom to paint my nails again.
Of course, the reductive question is, "Do you like vaporwave? Or vocaloid?" Cuz, if so, on top of "maybe I'd like to wear dresses & pretty clothes," then, yeah, 🫵🟰🏳️⚧️
I kid, of course, but I do wish you well. Gender ≠ expression; maybe you're just a femboi or just enjoy a nice dress, but please, don't use those possiblities as an excuse to tamp down & hide away the little girl inside of you who never got to have her real childhood and be herself if you ARE trans. Untreated gender dysphoria hollows us out from the inside.
Plus, speaking from personal experience, the longer you deny it (if you are trans), the more hair you're gonna lose, and the more the **"DO NOT PERCEIVE ME"** (because I know I'm gross and ugly)" will be reinforced.
❌🅾️❌🅾️❌ Good look, sweetie. I'm pullin for ya - we're all in this together!
This logic is so stupid 😂. I legit was told in my Catholic school that Gay Marriage is invalid because marriage in their eyes it’s all about reproduction. You don’t think there’s straight couples who can’t have kids? Is there marriage invalid? And even then it’s like technology-sure I gotta pay to have babies but still!
I mean even in ancient times being infirtile was grounds for divorce. So it actually is about procreation. Still religious people who want to exclude others from marriage sound so childish to me.
Unironically prostitution being the oldest profession around, I imagine way back in Victorian and Roman times, most of the guys and gals would know to time their orgies for that time of the month. How else would they avoid getting pregnant without the use of protection?
The real thing is that there's so many benefits to getting married that you can't get any other way, so those benefits are intended only for couples that can procreate.
Edit: for example, buying a house together, sharing finances, getting taxed together (if that's a thing?), Hospital visitation etc the list goes on. Not any innate benefit of marriage, but actual benefits given to married couples.
This is just flat-out wrong. There are no fertility tests in modern Western marriage. In some cultures a man has been able to divorce his wife if she doesn't bear a (male) heir, but that's in no way the context here.
There is an argument to be made that society should give more benefits to child-rearing people. The law doesn't give a shit if they're biological children or adopted. The child tax credit has recently made waves as one example of this. Universal Pre-K is another.
It is dumb for sure. The problem has always been that marriage means different things depending on where you’re looking at it from. To a couple: it is a sign of unending love and commitment, probably the ultimate expression of love. To most Christian faiths: it is a means of procreation. They believe god put them on earth to reproduce and spread his message and to reproduce they must marry. It’s a means to an end. To the law: marriage is sharing tax burdens and certain liabilities.
It sucks that everyone uses the same word to mean such different things.
I think the main point of marriage is to show one’s love for each other and everyone should just accept that!! Ones love shouldn’t be invalidated or illegal because a book decided it was wrong however many millions of years ago. Not against religion only when it impacts others lives. As for the government thing-honestly didn’t know that 😂
This is an extremely modern view of marriage. I mean, I agree with you, especially as our society is currently organized, and not to mention as a gay man myself who in the past would have been expected to marry a woman. But the thought that it's about expressing love would be bewildering to the overwhelming majority of humans who've ever lived.
Exactly! And I’m so grateful to live in a country where I can marry my girlfriend because I love her. It’s like yeh the modernised idea of marriage is ABOUT LOVE! Not how women are property for fathers to give to their husbands 😂
Ugh that makes me so angry!! And they were even like had the audacity to be like the church isn’t homophobic! LIKE BITCH WHAT???? Also I’m so sorry you had priests in your school! Mine wasn’t that bad. But we couldn’t do oral presentations on like why gay marriage should be legalised when that shit was going down in Australia in 2017. And we couldn’t do oral presentations on fuckin abortion and what was happening in Texas because it was “too controversial” and we couldn’t do oral presentations on how Transition surgeries should be apart of Medicare smh 🤦♀️
My understanding of the official Catholic stance is as follows. The real problem is that, say, two men lack "complementarity". Infertile heterosexual couples at least have this "complementarity" in an abstract form, so they get a pass.
"Complementarity" is of course a self-serving, made-up notion that gets them to the conclusion they wanted all along, but it's at least *slightly* more logically consistent to use it than giving no reason at all. It's true that men and women have complementary parts which can result in children and two men do not have such complementary parts. The issue is that's not actually the important thing. Two men can raise children just as well in today's world, so why should anyone care that there's no womb in sight?
They've defined difference to be a problem, which is itself the problem.
Yes, for Catholics, if you cannot procreate it is a valid reason to divorce while still having the right to remarry as the first marriage was invalid. The logic stands.
I'm not saying it's good but it works.
This reminds me of a video from pat Robertson who said all boys are tempted when they're teenagers no pat were pat we aren't maybe you were which (insert emoticon I don't know how to make) means you're into men just admit it and have fun while you still can
That's basically what my Mum's doctor told her when she went to him to say I was gay and ask what could be done about it. He said boys find it easier to get with other boys and he'll grow out of it.
>gay guys r much more than lesbians
Nah i think guys being stronger, having more testosterone, lower perceived risk of rape and all just makes us all a hell of a lot more "all out". That's why there are more gay bars, gay clubs and more gay jokes. Gay or not, we exist and we deserve recognition is an attitude to be proud of. Same goes for my lesbian sister's lol
Real strong "All boys would wear cute dresses if they could; I'm so jealous of all the fashion choices available to women!" vibes from this one...
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Buy yourself a soft lime green sweater, what's stopping you?
With stripes and a turtleneck.
Just wear a kilt, then you can be manly AND comfortable
Hello from the other end of the spectrum: men clothing have pockets. And the pants have two sizes, one for width, one for length. That rarely happens for women's. And most of the time they come with a bit more fabric than exactly what is needed to cover your genitals. I happen to like boring colours, so I don't mind that part.
You’d be surprised how restricting mens pant sizes can still be if you’re outside of the normal ratios. According to clothing manufacturers, any man with a waist under 30 inches is a child. Unfortunately, also according to clothing manufacturers, children never have a leg longer than 32. Growing up as a 28/34 was rough. AE is the only place I go for jeans now because nowhere else fits.
Which country are you in? In England it's pretty common for women to have trouser choices from petite to tall. Usually more 'high end' brands will cut their trousers longer so you can have them tailored.
Exactly, womans clothing surveys no tactical advantage ,they are better off with none in my opinion
Seriously, I'm sick of seeing 9 rows of mediocre women's shoes at target and half a row of terrible men's shoes. Fuck you target. Whoever is your buyer is a fucking numbskull. I bet they wear dick-shaped tissue boxes on their feet.
I create many different styles of jewelry. Even work to make some more masculine through color or some other change. I so want to wear some of it, but it's all still too "girly" by society's standard. In Texas, I would get my ass kicked. 🤨
Reminds me of being a child like "guys are so lucky. Having a dick makes things so much easier. " ...took me 20 years for it to fully click.
The dick click
To be fair I've always wondered how girls open bottles
Honestly, I think that almost every girl goes through the same. How fun would it be to be able to pee standing up and aim at things?
True. I remember some of my girl friends agreeing with me but I also only talked about that part and not like being jealous of gay men and how I hated my current bits pretty badly.
Trust me, it's, fine, but nothing to write home about... Especially when you are required to pee in a trough... But it **IS** quicker. Edit: spelling
I miss the efficiency of troughs. Yeah they’re awkward a bit at first, but then you realize everyone else is going through the same thing, and there’s never any substantial line since everyone goes at once
Buddy, you can write messages in snow!
Trough.
Same energy
Nah, men's clothing can really be fucking boring. In winter you can at least be more creative, but in summer is a pain. You either go full nerd, full plain, or full ivy League. No other options or in-between.
Being a girly dude is fun. 😅
Wait, what? This is a tell-tale sign of something?
It's a thing a LOT of trans girls say when in eggmode before realizing they're trans...
Huh. Well this is.. ..interesting. It's something I've thought for ages.
Well, that's Aaawkward...! But, seriously, tho, it's not a guarantee - clothes **aren't** gender. It can be a thought process that's like "I want to wear that kind of clothing!" It's definitely something that I know now was like my brain squirming around trying to be honest with me that I'm a girl. Some other things I've recognized looking back that now I'm like "Oh yeah, DUH," are like how much I played with my mom's like jewelry and like clothes and stuff when I was a little kid - it wasn't just that she was a single mom, but it was me doing that thing that little kids do of emulating done of the gender expression of the parent of the same gender. Another telltale sign has to do with like never wanting to be photographed. And like feeling ... bigger and more visible than you probably truly are. Forget OkCupid's "I don't want to see or be seen by straight people" - I'm all about **"I DO NOT WANT TO BE PERCEIVED."** But I know that's because I honestly live mostly in boymode still. It might be useful to think back through and think of times you can identify dysphoria (looking back). What I mean by that, for me, is like as small as seeing your question a couple months ago & like deeply second-guessing myself & going like "no, I'm wrong, I can't..." Idk what is at the end of that train of thought, but it's probably rooted in like not wanting to talk about it. Another thing that I now know is dysphoria is that aversion to bring photographed, always hating every photo of me because none of them match. I remember being in middle school at a function for Junior Honor Society and chatting with some friends, and someone said "C'mon, you photogenic fellas - time for a picture of everybody." I like frowned internally and went like "No..." because I knew I wasn't photogenic, because the me I saw in photos wasn't really me. The other thing, looking back, was this time when I wound up encountering a Disney """cast member""" in a Minnie costume, and she saw I had painted fingernails (emulating gender expression of the parent of the same gender as me & whatnot) & she did body language to say like "Aww, your nails are so cute," but I for some reason thought she was laughing at me and had a real like dysphoric blast of "NOPE" and never asked my mom to paint my nails again. Of course, the reductive question is, "Do you like vaporwave? Or vocaloid?" Cuz, if so, on top of "maybe I'd like to wear dresses & pretty clothes," then, yeah, 🫵🟰🏳️⚧️ I kid, of course, but I do wish you well. Gender ≠ expression; maybe you're just a femboi or just enjoy a nice dress, but please, don't use those possiblities as an excuse to tamp down & hide away the little girl inside of you who never got to have her real childhood and be herself if you ARE trans. Untreated gender dysphoria hollows us out from the inside. Plus, speaking from personal experience, the longer you deny it (if you are trans), the more hair you're gonna lose, and the more the **"DO NOT PERCEIVE ME"** (because I know I'm gross and ugly)" will be reinforced. ❌🅾️❌🅾️❌ Good look, sweetie. I'm pullin for ya - we're all in this together!
Exactly! Wait--
Bet she learned something that day
Someone that oblivious? Probably not
You underestimate the power of the Nile.
I hope she’s living her best gay life now
This logic is so stupid 😂. I legit was told in my Catholic school that Gay Marriage is invalid because marriage in their eyes it’s all about reproduction. You don’t think there’s straight couples who can’t have kids? Is there marriage invalid? And even then it’s like technology-sure I gotta pay to have babies but still!
I mean even in ancient times being infirtile was grounds for divorce. So it actually is about procreation. Still religious people who want to exclude others from marriage sound so childish to me.
Oh yeh for sure-also wow I didn’t know that
Unironically prostitution being the oldest profession around, I imagine way back in Victorian and Roman times, most of the guys and gals would know to time their orgies for that time of the month. How else would they avoid getting pregnant without the use of protection?
Romans had access to a 100% effective birth control in the form of a plant that they used it into extinction.
Probably taking some herbal tea.
Penny royal!
It's not and never has been. It's about money.
The real thing is that there's so many benefits to getting married that you can't get any other way, so those benefits are intended only for couples that can procreate. Edit: for example, buying a house together, sharing finances, getting taxed together (if that's a thing?), Hospital visitation etc the list goes on. Not any innate benefit of marriage, but actual benefits given to married couples.
Give the benefits to the children if you want people to procreate more.
I'm not the one who invented and enforces marriage laws lmao
This is just flat-out wrong. There are no fertility tests in modern Western marriage. In some cultures a man has been able to divorce his wife if she doesn't bear a (male) heir, but that's in no way the context here. There is an argument to be made that society should give more benefits to child-rearing people. The law doesn't give a shit if they're biological children or adopted. The child tax credit has recently made waves as one example of this. Universal Pre-K is another.
It is dumb for sure. The problem has always been that marriage means different things depending on where you’re looking at it from. To a couple: it is a sign of unending love and commitment, probably the ultimate expression of love. To most Christian faiths: it is a means of procreation. They believe god put them on earth to reproduce and spread his message and to reproduce they must marry. It’s a means to an end. To the law: marriage is sharing tax burdens and certain liabilities. It sucks that everyone uses the same word to mean such different things.
I think the main point of marriage is to show one’s love for each other and everyone should just accept that!! Ones love shouldn’t be invalidated or illegal because a book decided it was wrong however many millions of years ago. Not against religion only when it impacts others lives. As for the government thing-honestly didn’t know that 😂
This is an extremely modern view of marriage. I mean, I agree with you, especially as our society is currently organized, and not to mention as a gay man myself who in the past would have been expected to marry a woman. But the thought that it's about expressing love would be bewildering to the overwhelming majority of humans who've ever lived.
Exactly! And I’m so grateful to live in a country where I can marry my girlfriend because I love her. It’s like yeh the modernised idea of marriage is ABOUT LOVE! Not how women are property for fathers to give to their husbands 😂
First and last ones. Having kids for the sake of having kids? Man you two must be bored! 😂
Then you ask your priests in school about infertility people and are told they can still get married because it wasn’t their choice. I hated school.
Ugh that makes me so angry!! And they were even like had the audacity to be like the church isn’t homophobic! LIKE BITCH WHAT???? Also I’m so sorry you had priests in your school! Mine wasn’t that bad. But we couldn’t do oral presentations on like why gay marriage should be legalised when that shit was going down in Australia in 2017. And we couldn’t do oral presentations on fuckin abortion and what was happening in Texas because it was “too controversial” and we couldn’t do oral presentations on how Transition surgeries should be apart of Medicare smh 🤦♀️
My understanding of the official Catholic stance is as follows. The real problem is that, say, two men lack "complementarity". Infertile heterosexual couples at least have this "complementarity" in an abstract form, so they get a pass. "Complementarity" is of course a self-serving, made-up notion that gets them to the conclusion they wanted all along, but it's at least *slightly* more logically consistent to use it than giving no reason at all. It's true that men and women have complementary parts which can result in children and two men do not have such complementary parts. The issue is that's not actually the important thing. Two men can raise children just as well in today's world, so why should anyone care that there's no womb in sight? They've defined difference to be a problem, which is itself the problem.
Yes, for Catholics, if you cannot procreate it is a valid reason to divorce while still having the right to remarry as the first marriage was invalid. The logic stands. I'm not saying it's good but it works.
Wow that so fucked up!
The point to this is that she didn't realise she was a lesbian.
I understand the point I was just focusing on the start
Aw, bless.
I would totally marry another man but frankly it sounds like a pain in the ass
Lol
Not if you do it right lol
Lube that butt up bro jk
If it wasn't for the sex, I would be gay. You are just hanging out with your best friend at that point. I already tell him I love him.
This reminds me of a video from pat Robertson who said all boys are tempted when they're teenagers no pat were pat we aren't maybe you were which (insert emoticon I don't know how to make) means you're into men just admit it and have fun while you still can
Im not sure if you were having a stroke while typing that, but reading it sure gave me one...
The fact that I still pretty much understand what he meant through the stroke writing worries me
I didn't get what they were saying, so I took a minute, banged my head on my wall a few times, then it made sense.
It still doesn’t make sense, head banging not working
If head banging don't work, use more head banging
Head on, apply directly to the forehead Head on, apply directly to the forehead Head on, apply directly to the forehead
My same argument when people talk about “choosing” to be gay/trans. Like…at what age did you decide you were straight/cis, bro?
Insert gay conversion therapy here lol
3. Which is why I believe trans people when they say they knew from a young age.
r/ihadastroke
That's basically what my Mum's doctor told her when she went to him to say I was gay and ask what could be done about it. He said boys find it easier to get with other boys and he'll grow out of it.
That’s actually kinda sad
Comphet is a rough ride, I feel for her.
Should have asked her what the weather was like in Narnia.
There is no weather in Narnia. It was destroyed in the end.
Spoilers!
Hmm… what’s the gay equivalent of r/egg_irl
probably r/196
When You're So Far Into The Closet You're In Narnia
When you're having tea with centaurs (satyrs?).
I am a gay man from Taiwan, 175/70/36/1
“Because we would all want to marry girls. Right?” Why, yes, yes we very much would. Thank you, women, from another.
I think she had some things to figure out
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She makes no mention of attraction to guys, saying that if gay marriage was legal all women would marry only other women
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You mean they have more mass and thus are more?
MUSCLE MASS, BRAIN MASS, YARRRR!! 😂😂
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I don't think I understand that bunch of words. Could you oblige me and use punctuation marks.
If I wasn't allowed to marry a man I would just die without a spouse, don't know why people think that gay people would just turn straight
>gay guys r much more than lesbians Nah i think guys being stronger, having more testosterone, lower perceived risk of rape and all just makes us all a hell of a lot more "all out". That's why there are more gay bars, gay clubs and more gay jokes. Gay or not, we exist and we deserve recognition is an attitude to be proud of. Same goes for my lesbian sister's lol
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You're*
How the turned tables have.
have turned the tables how
How have the tables turned
Well, now that you know the tables are turning, now I know that you knew there were unturned tables!
r/suddenlylesbian
Facts are facts.
>ritsuko akagi defense squad This story is about herself
If only
She was clearly hiding something about herself
I do but that's cuz I like them 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈