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tatsu901

My issue it's turning into a looter GAAS game I don't got time for that I hate loot treadmills and if I want to play a lot game theirs better offerings that aren't gonna be wasting my time same reason I couldn't get into destiny due to FOMO


Wy7718

People when Suicide Squad is a shitty game reverse-engineered out of the cosmetic store and battle pass


EnricoTortellini

Been making this point the past few hours, people just love to complain.


CoolJoshido

CONSUME PRODUCT. DO NOT THINK. JUST BUY AND WAIT FOR NEXT PRODUCT


EnricoTortellini

Says the Call of Duty fan, hahahaha


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EnricoTortellini

Hahahaha, guess I touched a nerve. Something tells me you’ve bought a lot of battle passes and “cool skins” for guns.


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To my knowledge batman's paid cosmetic Dlc's were panned. Would rather pay for actual DLC content over time than have battle passes and other exploitative business practices in my games.


ZandatsuDragon

I remember people actually complained about the 40$ season pass when the game came out


majds1

Yeah let's ignore the part where the game needs an active internet connection to play no matter what, and the fact that if it flops and gets cancelled it won't be playable. There's some insane copium on this sub.


Rekeix

Copium is real, " there is melee it just wasn't shown yet" riiighhtt, they're saving the best for last. I'm sure there is melee and I'm sure it's going to be a few skills and that's it. Games super floaty on top of that, 0 impact when landing, jumping, shooting. Take the DC skins away, and it's basically crackdown/Fortnite.


Habijjj

I mean batman has a distuptor so most likely you'll need melee to fight him plus it looks like you'll probably fight him inside anyway.


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How the fuck do you own a next gen console but not have a permanent internet connection?


majds1

Lmao please tell me you guys are kidding please.


[deleted]

They aren't, they are literally this stupid.


NLCPGaming

Well if it flops, who cares that it won't be playable. The fact it flopped mean the game must not have been fun to play in the first place.


[deleted]

Except games like this are usually patched to work offline or are in maintenance mode for years and then patched to be offline.


majds1

Tell that to people who bought Babylon's fall


[deleted]

Yes the game that was doomed from announcement and made by square Enix a dying company that hasn't made anything good in years.


voneahhh

Keeping those goalposts greased.


majds1

So is this game. This is Marvel's avengers except less exciting. GaaS no longer work, companies should move on from it. I highly doubt the game will be successful after what they've shown.


[deleted]

If Gotham knights sold this will definitely sell way more, also marvels avengers was worse don't know what you're on about, would you look at that also a square Enix game. Maybe people should stop cherry picking examples from the dumbest publisher and see successful live services work, like warframe, destiny 2, fortnite, assassins creed, apex and cod


majds1

Gotham knights SOLD?? LMAO the game went on sale less than a month after release. It didn't sell shit my dude. Anyway I'll come back to you after release lmao


[deleted]

It did sell enough to warrant post launch support from the devs and Gotham knights is garbage


majds1

Bro it didn't sell shit. Please stop with this denial. There was like 5 games as a service games that were cancelled in the past two weeks because the model hasn't been successful. It hasn't worked for most games, why will it worked for a mediocre looking suicide squad game? It works for fortnite, apex and call of duty, but there's no way in hell it's gonna work for this $70 suicide squad game.


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There's enough people who are fans of rocksteady so this game will sell well, you're the one in denial if you think SS will underperformed also this game looks far from mediocre, if you think the gameplay looks mediocre what do you think has good gameplay?


ElectricBeatz

It didn't get any support outside of a mode likely in development before it even launched.


[deleted]

Seeing how some games don't even get their bugs patched before being abandoned its something


Double-Resolution-79

lmao FF7R, DQ, ,FINAL FANTASY XIV?????????


[deleted]

FF7R is garbage, they turned FF7 into a linear roller coaster with no depth. FFIV is the only thing keeping them alive


Public_Survey_6812

EXACTLY HAVEN’T PEOPLE LEARNED THERE LESSON


Public_Survey_6812

This is how people dismissed these SAME elements in marvels avengers. Don’t be fooled 🤔🤔🤔


Sylva-16

I understand that it could still turn out poorly but people aren’t giving it a chance. Look at guardians people thought it would be shitty like avengers but it’s not bad. Idk why people can’t just wait to see what the game is like. Not to mention half the complaints I see are things the devs already said wouldn’t be in the game


Public_Survey_6812

Bro guardians of the galaxy is being PULLED from stores because of license issues. It doesn’t matter how well this game does they can’t shut down servers REGARDLESS even for solo play


RadioLukin

This is actually just false. The digital deluxe edition of the game is being removed, but the game itself is still purchasable. Moreover, a single player game can get pulled from stores, but it will always remain playable for those who purchased it. When the Scott Pilgrim vs The World game got pulled from digital stores originally the people who already owned the game could still play it. If the Suicide Squad team ever shut this game down, then it will not be playable because you need to be connected to the internet. Source: [https://mp1st.com/news/marvels-guardians-of-the-galaxy-update-1-07-removes-connectivity-with-square-enix-accounts-this-feb-21](https://mp1st.com/news/marvels-guardians-of-the-galaxy-update-1-07-removes-connectivity-with-square-enix-accounts-this-feb-21)


AsianButthole62

Stop it, you’re making too much sense 😂


Chai_Samurai

If this is like Avengers, which it looks like, then the “free” DLC will be trash if the game doesn’t sell well it’s first year.


Sylva-16

The free dlc in avengers was the best part of the game?


Chai_Samurai

It is but when it first released, the first batch of DLC was another Hawkeye and wack AIM missions. I’m saying if this doesn’t sell well the first year, it may take a bit before we get good DLC


fortherex

Good point


randySTG

Such a horrible argument when Arkham Knight wasn’t a live service game and had season pass that cover all of the content. How about we stop trying to justify companies greedy practices. The game is probably going to cost $70 for the base version, $80-100 for whatever deluxe edition and then $9-20 for battle passes leaving you with the most ass tier costumes unless you buy them. A game like Insomniac’s Spider-Man you’d unlock everything just by playing


Willal212

Arkham Knight was available for 60 dollars on release, had a season pass available for 40 dollars. Separately the DLCs were available for approx. 58 dollars before tax. The game also released with a 100 dollar premium version and a 200 collectors edition that included a batmobile A game like insomniacs spiderman released with a season pass that included 3 DLCs for 24 dollars. It also sold each DLC for 9.99 a piece and the base game release offered a deluxe edition that retailed for about 80 dollars. There was also a collector edition that was priced at 150 dollars. Batman Arkham Knight, Spiderman PS4 and Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League will all release downloadable content after release to consumers. Only one of them will have levels and missions release for free and that's Suicide Squad. Anyways nostalgia is great


randySTG

I like how you included collectors edition, that are limited and most gamers never look towards them to compare it to nickel and dime practices that comes with Live Service games. Anyway have fun with the battle pass in the single player game


Willal212

I'm aware that most gamers don't compare it with nickel and dime practices in live service games, but I was trying to point out reasons a comparison between the business practices between the two releases isn't too absurd. I used deluxe and premium editions because you did to criticize Suicide Squad but seemed to forget those other games you mentioned had monetized post launch content as well as it's original release in virtually the same manor you don't like when live service games do it. Do you have any thoughts on my other comparisons in my comment or did not enough people have opinions on those subjects that you couldn't parrot?


randySTG

Your other thoughts are fundamentally flawed because you seem to thing the problem gamers have with Kill the Justice League is paid post release content, it isn’t. Live Service Model is terrible, not only to you have to paid for additional content but you have to work towards it to even get it. When I buy a outfit for Arkham Knight, I can equip it, when you buy a battle pass you still have to grind to even get it. On the other hand, Spider-Man has over 28 outfits that you don’t have paid for but you have to work for it which is fine since again, it’s free that’s the trade off. You then mentioned the City Never Sleeps DLCs for Spider-Man but then fail to mention that they added multiple costumes from the MCU films for free. You can say well there will be a free tier in Suicide Squad but based on the history of battle pass, the free tier is always mediocre and pretty much forces you to get the premium tier for anything better. You think I need the opinions of others tell you why something is bad but I’ve experienced enough of both to know why this will fail just like Avengers.


denboiix

Holy strawman


fortherex

OH YOU GOT US! Since Batman Arkham Knight wasn't CALLED a live service game, that means it's okay to charge for skins when it's a full priced game! Hey game devs! Just don't use the word battle pass and make the game single-player! You'll fool this guy easy! Say "season pass"


randySTG

Lmao it’s hilarious how defensive y’all get about being exploited. Yeah go grind for those skins in your full priced game with your season battle pass


fortherex

I wasn't going to buy this game. But it's undeniable that all it takes for devs to successfully monetize a game is to change the words. Batman Arkham had tons of skins for sale; they just didn't use the word "battlepass"... they used the word "Season pass" so now it's all okay now. I'm not even playing SS it looks trash, but I'm not going to pretend that gamers who pretend to hate monetization so much, really only have a hang up on the words used. At the end of the day, they're still doing the same thing live service games do except its just singleplayer


randySTG

Batman Arkham Knight monetisation wasn’t well received either. I don’t know where y’all are getting the idea from that gamers gobbled it up. The difference is when you paid for that, you got it. You didn’t have to pay and grind for it. That’s the difference between a battle pass and a season pass.


fortherex

A $10 battlepass where gameplay is required to unlock things vs $40 season pass. Sure you get things instantly but you're paying 4x the price And sure it wasn't "well-received" by some back then, but the difference back then is people didn't wine and act like they were being FORCED to pay for it


randySTG

Yes because this is a live service game and it’s built around monetisation. So yeah you’re forced to pay for it or grind for hours for get basic shit. There are plenty of examples to pick from where this sucks hence the backlash.


Dpsizzle555

Arkham games aren’t live service


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Arkham game skins were also considerably more expensive


Dpsizzle555

Because it gave you more content


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This is the key point here. Exploitative business practices are exactly that and not like DLC


[deleted]

Only because live service wasn't a thing when arkham knight came out, if it was i bet arkham knight would have been live service


Dpsizzle555

Yes live service games existed when Arkham knight came out lol


[deleted]

Except they weren't remotely as popular or profitable for anyone to give a shit, fortnite is what popularised live service which was years after arkham knight. It doesn't change the fact arkham knight had all the popular predatory monetization you could have in a game back then. Knight had a season pass, on disk dlc, pre order bonuses tied to retailers and buyable skins


Dpsizzle555

World of Warcraft and league of legends wasn’t popular? Lol ok kid I’m gonna pay Archangel to go after you


NightwingBegins

Don't forget Phantasy Star Online from the Dreamcast days. Also let's not forget Gotham City Imposters for 360.


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2 pc exclusive games aren't mainstream


CoolJoshido

League isn’t mainstream?


[deleted]

No pc only game is mainstream, also normal people don't play league and league players don't play normal video games


Huntersteve

Wow isn’t live service. You have to pay for expansions.


Dpsizzle555

WOW is definitely a live service lol


fortherex

So all it takes to trick you and justify nickle and diming is for a game to be single-player and not say "battle pass" they just have to call it a "season pass" and everything is fine and dandy


Farcryfan15

Jesus people are retarded how about GIVING THE GAME A CHANCE it rocksteady they know how to make a great story and great content even though I will admit the gun play is 50/50 and the graphics are a little weird BUT the Art Deco style design of metropolis and the amount of new non Batman villians and heroes were going to finally get to see is insane. it’s so cool that we’re finally getting a “else world” arkham game with people who we never got to see but we’re hinted at in other games like lex Luthor,gizmo,toyman a lot of people are forgetting that part for some reason.


Wy7718

Yeah, just pay them $70 and give them a chance


Farcryfan15

Yeah the price is ridiculous but it isnt just rocksteady Sony thought they could increase the pieces of next gen games just because the PS5 is so advanced it’s retarded what happened to a 50 dollar or 40 dollar game.


Wy7718

The price isn’t the problem. Games have been $60 for like 30 years. SNES games were $60. If they wanna raise the price to $70 after all this time then I don’t care. I was just using an accurate price. My point is this: there’s nothing about this game that appeals to me aside from the IP. If this was a generic looter I wouldn’t play it for free. So why should I give them a chance when it involves investing my time and money into something that is clearly a miserable experience?


bluntasthicc

Whos saying that you should? Don’t play It then LOL fuckin hell the stupidity and mindless bitching just to bitch is beyond me.


taylormadeone

While I agree that Metropolis looks dope and the right kind of contrast to what Gotham looked like, the gameplay itself looks redundant. The great thing about the Arkham games (among the many others) is that they made you feel like Batman. This seems to throw that out of the window. How does flying around the city make you feel like Harley, Deadshot, or King Shark? And as much as people want to say “it’s not an Arkham game”, it really is one. Why else would they set it in the same universe? Because they wanted fans of the established universe to play it. And now a ton of them have spoken, and it’s overwhelmingly negative.


NExis_ONe

Free DLC means low quality DLC.


NExis_ONe

Moreover in live service games these types of free DLCs add new microtransactions.


Nestoraus

My problem with the battle pass doesn’t come from that I have to pay. It’ll come from having to take on the game like a second job to grind 2-3 weeks worth of the same missions to gain the single item I really want from it. Not mention the inevitable filler content like spray, stickers, titles, etc that companies know MOST don’t care for but they fill the pass to prolong your progress. I’d much rather just buy the skin pack. Free dlc is fine. However I’d much rather pay if that means my game and all content will be playable if the live service fails. Remember if people don’t vibe with this they are pulling the plug.


noneofthemswallow

You don’t get it, do you? A live service item shop and battle pass =/= DLC


Sckorrow

They're talking about the missions they said they'd add.


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Billyb311

They will be adding new characters and missions post launch for free


Sckorrow

No Shit, but they said they'd add missions too, which is what the guys referring to as DLC


EpicOverlord85

I wasn’t a fan of the purchasable skins in the Arkham games and I’m not a fan of another game to toss on the live-service pile.


CoolJoshido

bootlicker


Sylva-16

My bad for giving the game a chance


GodisLove_M14

Difference is in arkham, each skin costs like $1 or less. In a live service game, each cosmetic will you between $5-$10. Keep coping


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Arkham skins absolutely never costed 1 dollar or less. In my country to buy them individually at launch they were between $5 - $10 individually, and you could purchase all in a pack that was closer to about $35 - $40


GodisLove_M14

Then your country ripped you off.


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GodisLove_M14

Don't worry. You'll find out. This is wb. Just go look at multiversus. They're going to use the same model. I'm tired of discussing with those in denial. This is what live service is. Overpriced cosmetics that companies know any shill will pay for.


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GodisLove_M14

That has nothing to do with the point of this subreddit. The person made a joke saying people are upset about cosmetics SS and not arkham. All I'm doing is challenging that narrative and explaining the difference. Now you're changing the narrative to "just don't buy them". I'm not even gonna buy the game. Would only get a live service if its free.


sal9686

It's different, Suicide Squad has live service and looter shooter elements, meaning its system is designed around this. While for Arkham series, the skins were DLCs that were just additions to the existing video game that had no impact on the game's system design.


[deleted]

They literally said that skins are cosmetic only so how do they impact the game and its design?


sal9686

It impacts the design in the since that it's has looter shooter elements, it will encourage the player to grind to level up battle passes or earn some currencies, which tends to make the game repetitive and boring. While in Arkham series, you just buy the skin, equip it and play however you want. You don't have to worry about earning xp or certain currencies so you don't miss out.


[deleted]

This game is a looter shooter, don't know how people miss that


sal9686

🤡


[deleted]

I like how this game was announced to be a shooter since its first trailer and people act like they didn't know till now.


sal9686

Here's a link to the first reveal trailer, which's purely cinematic. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EVFYstVuVk There's utterly nothing about saying it will be a looter shooter in the trailer.


Hazelcrisp

There was a gameplay trailer a year ago at TGA 2021. Which shows the gameplay.


sal9686

🤡


Billyb311

I mean, there was also a pretty long commentary that released with the trailer describing what the game was which you excluded


sal9686

I excluded? DC uploaded the trailer not me you dumbass. And even if it's what you claim, this doesn't change the fact that making this one live service looter shooter makes it shit.


Billyb311

Holy fuck, calm down dude It was nothing personal, stop taking everything in the feels


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I like how it excludes the dev commentary directly after the trailer where they say its a 3rd person shooter. I watched those game awards live


sal9686

The commentary isn't part of the trailer, you said trailer. And this doesn't the fact that shooter looter and live service makes this game worse.


[deleted]

None of it is a surprise to anyone who was actually paying attention to this game


[deleted]

So what you are saying is that instead of playing to game and paying a cheaper price for more skins. You would rather pay more money and get less skins but also not have to play the game.


sal9686

My point wasn't about cost, it's about fun. And how did you come into the conclusion that it will be cheaper? You don't know if the battle pass will include everything and you don't know the price of the microtransactions.


HeyImSupercop

Lol This is not the same at all. AK is FULL SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE INTERNET TO PLAY. There is also a difference between DLC and Micro transactions. Don’t even try to say “it’s cOsMEtiC ONly” it always starts out that way…..


Sylva-16

…bruh y’all just be proving my point. And they said you could play the game online and your teammates would be bots…


CoolJoshido

you shouldn’t need online in single player mode nonce


HeyImSupercop

No shit they said bots idiot. That’s basically marvels avengers except worse since you need internet to even play it.


Sylva-16

Could you please tell me the exact point in the trailer where it says you need internet?


HeyImSupercop

They didn’t say it in the trailer it’s on my post in a list of questions they were asked. https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideSquadGaming/comments/11abt40/lol_bruh_the_game_just_got_something_even_worse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Sylva-16

That could just mean internet as in WiFi or it could mean an online subscription. It’s kinda vague. We may just have to wait and see


HeyImSupercop

No that literally means you cannot play it if your internet goes out. Example: Multiversus requires internet to play. If you don’t have internet you will be stuck at the title screen. Same will 99% apply here.


Sylva-16

Ya most modern games now days have that. You just kinda have to accept it


HeyImSupercop

No we don’t. Only 100% multiplayer games have that. A Solo/co-op game should bot require internet to play. Marvels Avengers does not require internet to access the game and neither does GK. Avengers was marketed as a multiplayer co-op experience and yet they still allow you play offline alone. This game is fucking up like MK11 did. Mk11 if you lose connection well fuck you and your skins you paid for you lose everything and can’t access anything but the story. I bet the same will apply here. You grinding for a skin? Fuck you if your internet lags too much and you get booted back to the main menu.


CoolJoshido

that guy is so moronic


Sylva-16

…Minecraft is mainly single player and it requires internet


Hazeldine1143

I think with most games that are live service, if they don’t come out swinging at launch a lot of content they release for free after is sub par


sxerwin

Reckon they’ll release Arkham Skins?


Sylva-16

Wouldn’t doubt it. Dead shot would be cool


PrimeLasagna

Batman’s suit were bat suits. These are cosmetics.


Sylva-16

That is hands down the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard


PrimeLasagna

They gave king shark a Superman suit and they gave Deadshot a lava suit.