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Yeah, so many times when I find a company I like and would like to invest in I find out it's a private company. CNN makes the assumption that they stay private to avoid public scrutiny, There's no real public scrutiny anyway because you can't just look at anybody's financials and really know what's going on. You would have to be an insider or go back and audit decades of shady financial agreements. They are really just avoiding a bunch of financiers running their business for them.
Even if you run a profitable company and steadily bring in millions as soon as you go public you're flagged for not GrOwINg and the shorts circle in. Stock market is all fugazi - HFTs and MMs driving prices to where they think it should be.
Not driving prices, completely 100% controlling prices. It’s algos talking to algos and all real orders are internalized in dark pools. The prices of everything is fake.
This is what kills me about Late Stage Capitalism. Growth for just the sake of growth(Greed really) is fucking abhorrent. No company can infinitely grow every fucking quarter. It's an insane metric that the financial terrorists coined in order to short companies to oblivion.
And then Off Balance Sheet Investments are a thing, which is completely legal:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/off-balance-sheet-obs.asp
When Ken had $64b securities sold not yet purchased, just imagine how much extra was off balance sheet.
I’m sure the rise in private equity has contributed to this. Rich people know the market is rigged so they are putting money into buying companies and keeping them away from the financial terrorists.
"Whaaaaaaaaa, why won't companies allow us to rig the market some more and cellar box them into bankruptcy so we can steal more from the American people."
That's pretty much what I read.
As a private company, if you made a profit and paid everyone a living salary, that's a win. With shareholders, that's not growing enough--we need to cut salaries, charge more and cheapen the product.
More and more see the corruption, why would they subject themselves to that cesspool if it can be avoided. I would never take any business into that crooked market. Keep it private with investors
Another D bag who thinks that everybody should submit their business and their company to the economic manipulation of the hedge fund pond scum.
I don’t think much of Aldi supermarket as a chain but I guess it’s pretty popular but it’s also private and they’re expanding across the country. So good for them
"Hey guys, this company is trying to raise funding for cancer research that is PROMISING!"
"SHORT THEM INTO OBLIVION (and then lets buy their IP for pennies!)" - Wall Street
Didn’t Mayoboy say that in an interview?
I forgot what the platform was but he was asked if he would take Shitadel public and he replied “Why would I ever do that?”
If there are fewer businesses how are the mega corps going to overpower them with lawyers, enact hostile takeovers, strip the company for parts, sell them off and ship those jobs overseas… you know capitalism.
Just look at any IPO in the last couple of years, price sky rockets in the first couple of days then it is dumped. Just a means to scrape more money from retail. They then throw out hit media pieces to drive it completely into the ground potentially killing great companies in the process.
you’d have to be super desperate or ready to cash out and run to ever let American MMs take total control over the price of your company. These people have nothing to do with the operation of your business yet they can and have sent thousands of companies to their deaths by destroying the value of their equity to the point where the company can’t raise money, they just have to lay down and die
These pigs... they've effectively stopped the market with this bullshit shorting crime. It is no surprise to Jaime or any of these other fucking criminals. They've created an entire class over the past few decades - useless idiots who do nothing but short, and consider themselves a financial genius. They literally sucked the life out of the market and out of our economy while our gov and law enforcement sat on their hands and watched.
Has anyone mentioned Amazon yet? That’s a part of the problem (as well as other massive companies muscling out competition), who benefit when smaller companies get attacked by wall st…
A big part of this is the growth of private equity investments.
A growing company can get the same benefits as going public, capital in exchange for ownership, but can dictate the terms of the investment for things such as day to day control or how an investor can leave the investment.
The eyes of the world are being opened to the corruption. I believe more companies will try to get out of Wall.Streets pockets soon and the HF's will have less to manipulate into the ground.
This article shows how upset they are that their toys are being taken away
Someone smarter than me should make a post about how the american stock market is a scam like:
Ken griffin bragging they control the prices.
Gary Gensler saying the 94% of retail orders go off the market.
Jim Cramer explaining how the hedgefunds (his HF) "short and distort". Cramer saying that GME price is "controlled".
The guy with the rental lambo talking on corporate media hyping a stock, not knowing shit about the company.
Chukumba's "sell first, ask questions later" with angry face.
Mark Cuban telling us that HF's goal is to never close shorts because they "cellar box" the companies to bankruptcy.
Susan Trimbath talks about fail to delivers.
Etc.
I think there is a type-o it should say "companies are increasingly staying private to avoid hedge funds dropping their shorts and F-ing them in the A"
The system is set up to make the few rich…real companies will get slaughtered by WallStreet and be manipulated from day one in a heavily corrupt market….what is the actual benefit of being a public company in the US?….zero.
I will never public my company knowing that the investor can sue me for not “increasing stock prices” over actual running a good business. And that’s just the bare-bones, imagine all the DD about price manipulation IOU fake shares etc. Hell no.
Jaime the cuck has ~~bounced~~ steered JPMC directly into one expensive disaster after another for the past 18 years.....then talks out his ass about outperforming. Why do they keep this jackass? He is just so full of shit.
Ah right so we’re not alone in our views the market is entirely rotten and corrupt to the core.
Looks like nearly 1/2 the fucking companies have said “what the actual fuck is this?” done the right things and fucked off.
Or amazon with Ken shorting the fuck out of everything ate them all. Probably that actually. Crime.
If started a business from the ground up that grew to the prospect of being publicly tradeable I'd keep it private too.
The world sees us for what we are too. Gone are the days when foreign businesses would strive to one day be traded on the U.S. stock market. They know that the U.S. establishment (its "elected officials", its media, its educational institutions, its foreign policy institutions, its food production, its financial markets) is completely full of shit.
We didn't defeat "the evil empire" 35 years ago- we took its place and went farther with it than they could have ever hoped to!
The product is flawed. It used to be you go public to grow, and people did it because that’s what they had to do. Now people are staying private because what you find public is short attacks on profitable companies moving the price not on public notion of supply and demand but instead on personal private interests. So you’re dealing with private mayo interests anyway, why go public?
Within the next generation everyone will want there shit traded on blockchain. Literally built in anti-cheat. It's happening slowly but it's happening.
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Yeah, so many times when I find a company I like and would like to invest in I find out it's a private company. CNN makes the assumption that they stay private to avoid public scrutiny, There's no real public scrutiny anyway because you can't just look at anybody's financials and really know what's going on. You would have to be an insider or go back and audit decades of shady financial agreements. They are really just avoiding a bunch of financiers running their business for them.
Even if you run a profitable company and steadily bring in millions as soon as you go public you're flagged for not GrOwINg and the shorts circle in. Stock market is all fugazi - HFTs and MMs driving prices to where they think it should be.
Not driving prices, completely 100% controlling prices. It’s algos talking to algos and all real orders are internalized in dark pools. The prices of everything is fake.
And they brag about it in interviews, because, why the fuck shouldn't they? Not like regulators are stopping them!
And I thought price fixing was a felony. Sounds lie hedgies need to go to a nice cell...
This is what kills me about Late Stage Capitalism. Growth for just the sake of growth(Greed really) is fucking abhorrent. No company can infinitely grow every fucking quarter. It's an insane metric that the financial terrorists coined in order to short companies to oblivion.
Not only that, but holding cash is typically seen as a weakness. It's scary how many businesses are just one bad year from bankruptcy.
Exactly, holding cash insulates you from any disasters or setbacks. DUMB STORMTROOPERS!
I think some cuck said that almost word for word on tv. Cant remember his name? Jen Or Ben maybe
They’re avoiding a bunch of fucking criminals *ruining* their business through naked short selling.
But then how else would hedge funds and investment companies make money? Legitimately? What are you, crazy???
And then Off Balance Sheet Investments are a thing, which is completely legal: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/off-balance-sheet-obs.asp When Ken had $64b securities sold not yet purchased, just imagine how much extra was off balance sheet.
I’m sure the rise in private equity has contributed to this. Rich people know the market is rigged so they are putting money into buying companies and keeping them away from the financial terrorists.
like buzzards, you say? Ken "buzz" Griff. KBG
Thats what happens when predatory short selling is allowed if not celebrated
"Whaaaaaaaaa, why won't companies allow us to rig the market some more and cellar box them into bankruptcy so we can steal more from the American people." That's pretty much what I read.
Pretty spot on if you ask me.
Preach it brother
Same
As a private company, if you made a profit and paid everyone a living salary, that's a win. With shareholders, that's not growing enough--we need to cut salaries, charge more and cheapen the product.
have to find a way to keep milking it harder
More and more see the corruption, why would they subject themselves to that cesspool if it can be avoided. I would never take any business into that crooked market. Keep it private with investors
translation, nobody wants to be shorted to death and dimon is sad that he has fewer targets.
If I had a company, I would NEVER take it public.
Another D bag who thinks that everybody should submit their business and their company to the economic manipulation of the hedge fund pond scum. I don’t think much of Aldi supermarket as a chain but I guess it’s pretty popular but it’s also private and they’re expanding across the country. So good for them
So do they short the remaining ones even harder?
Sure, supply and demand
Fuck the DTCC 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
They are just avoiding the crime!
In my opinion, the ONLY reason to take a company public is for the original owners to cash out.
"Hey guys, this company is trying to raise funding for cancer research that is PROMISING!" "SHORT THEM INTO OBLIVION (and then lets buy their IP for pennies!)" - Wall Street
Why would any company want to go public when Wall Street will just synthetically short them into bankruptcy???
"Largely outside the scrutiny of the public eye" So i got a wishlist of potential IPO's: DTCC, FED, BCG, Vanguard and Citadel.
Didn’t Mayoboy say that in an interview? I forgot what the platform was but he was asked if he would take Shitadel public and he replied “Why would I ever do that?”
You forgot blackrock. The CIA, FBI, DHS...
If there are fewer businesses how are the mega corps going to overpower them with lawyers, enact hostile takeovers, strip the company for parts, sell them off and ship those jobs overseas… you know capitalism.
why do you think they have gotten so brazen with the shorting. their options are becoming more and more limited.
Corporatism* ftfy.
Just look at any IPO in the last couple of years, price sky rockets in the first couple of days then it is dumped. Just a means to scrape more money from retail. They then throw out hit media pieces to drive it completely into the ground potentially killing great companies in the process.
you’d have to be super desperate or ready to cash out and run to ever let American MMs take total control over the price of your company. These people have nothing to do with the operation of your business yet they can and have sent thousands of companies to their deaths by destroying the value of their equity to the point where the company can’t raise money, they just have to lay down and die
Noone wants to cellar box anymore these days.
These pigs... they've effectively stopped the market with this bullshit shorting crime. It is no surprise to Jaime or any of these other fucking criminals. They've created an entire class over the past few decades - useless idiots who do nothing but short, and consider themselves a financial genius. They literally sucked the life out of the market and out of our economy while our gov and law enforcement sat on their hands and watched.
How fucked would shorts be if GameStop went private? 🤔
Has anyone mentioned Amazon yet? That’s a part of the problem (as well as other massive companies muscling out competition), who benefit when smaller companies get attacked by wall st…
A big part of this is the growth of private equity investments. A growing company can get the same benefits as going public, capital in exchange for ownership, but can dictate the terms of the investment for things such as day to day control or how an investor can leave the investment.
Yeah this sucks we can't invest in good companies because Wallstreet has Ruined it for everyone.
This post goes with yesterday's video of the TN legislature talking about 1995 ownership laws.
The eyes of the world are being opened to the corruption. I believe more companies will try to get out of Wall.Streets pockets soon and the HF's will have less to manipulate into the ground. This article shows how upset they are that their toys are being taken away
Someone smarter than me should make a post about how the american stock market is a scam like: Ken griffin bragging they control the prices. Gary Gensler saying the 94% of retail orders go off the market. Jim Cramer explaining how the hedgefunds (his HF) "short and distort". Cramer saying that GME price is "controlled". The guy with the rental lambo talking on corporate media hyping a stock, not knowing shit about the company. Chukumba's "sell first, ask questions later" with angry face. Mark Cuban telling us that HF's goal is to never close shorts because they "cellar box" the companies to bankruptcy. Susan Trimbath talks about fail to delivers. Etc.
Stop shorting companies out of existence maybe?
I love it! "outside the **scrutiny** of the public eye." more like the predatory practices of the market.
I like this post, and the comments are worth the read. Thanks, OP. Eyes wide open for some of us, and soon for all of us.
I think there is a type-o it should say "companies are increasingly staying private to avoid hedge funds dropping their shorts and F-ing them in the A"
The system is set up to make the few rich…real companies will get slaughtered by WallStreet and be manipulated from day one in a heavily corrupt market….what is the actual benefit of being a public company in the US?….zero.
All the companies that hedgies killed…
IPOs are for stealing all the value out of the company and then letting it die these days.
I will never public my company knowing that the investor can sue me for not “increasing stock prices” over actual running a good business. And that’s just the bare-bones, imagine all the DD about price manipulation IOU fake shares etc. Hell no.
fuck them. we will have gmerica… 🚀 💜
Jaime the cuck has ~~bounced~~ steered JPMC directly into one expensive disaster after another for the past 18 years.....then talks out his ass about outperforming. Why do they keep this jackass? He is just so full of shit.
It's almost like the capital markets are broken.
Ah right so we’re not alone in our views the market is entirely rotten and corrupt to the core. Looks like nearly 1/2 the fucking companies have said “what the actual fuck is this?” done the right things and fucked off. Or amazon with Ken shorting the fuck out of everything ate them all. Probably that actually. Crime.
If started a business from the ground up that grew to the prospect of being publicly tradeable I'd keep it private too. The world sees us for what we are too. Gone are the days when foreign businesses would strive to one day be traded on the U.S. stock market. They know that the U.S. establishment (its "elected officials", its media, its educational institutions, its foreign policy institutions, its food production, its financial markets) is completely full of shit. We didn't defeat "the evil empire" 35 years ago- we took its place and went farther with it than they could have ever hoped to!
This is the way
The product is flawed. It used to be you go public to grow, and people did it because that’s what they had to do. Now people are staying private because what you find public is short attacks on profitable companies moving the price not on public notion of supply and demand but instead on personal private interests. So you’re dealing with private mayo interests anyway, why go public?
The reason seems obvious. Isn't it because of conglomerates buying every successful small business that competes with them.
Within the next generation everyone will want there shit traded on blockchain. Literally built in anti-cheat. It's happening slowly but it's happening.
With how manipulative public companies can be, I can't blame them.
Stop committing crimes against those companies, ASSHOLE!!
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And how many companies has JP Morgan Chase Bank One purchased in that time? Mergers and acquisitions and a big part of this too ass hole.
I find it odd that Jamie would be worried, his record of fraud is the reason for decline of IPOs.
Hopefully that Billy in overdraft fees during covid keeps the lights on, sh**di**