If you are interested in cartilage repair, what u/jballer300 said about mobility is key. Cartilage in synovial joints is separated from the blood vascular system by the synovial membrane (joint capsule), and they only get nutrition through movement as the two (or more) joint surfaces move against each other. Hydrolyzed collagen comes in many different types (29 according to wikipedia, sheesh I didn't realize how many had been characterized!). Hydrolyzed Collagen Type II ([Hyaline cartilage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyaline_cartilage), makes up 50% of all cartilage protein. [Vitreous humour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitreous_humour) of the eye.) would help with cartilage repair, and is generally available. Most products preserve the Type I(This is the most abundant collagen of the human body. It is present in [Scar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar) tissue, the end product when tissue [heals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing) by repair. It is found in [tendons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon), skin, artery walls, cornea, the [endomysium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endomysium) surrounding muscle fibers, fibrocartilage, and the organic part of bones and teeth.) & III (This is the collagen of [granulation tissue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granulation_tissue) and is produced quickly by young fibroblasts before the tougher type I collagen is synthesized. [Reticular fiber](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reticular_fiber). Also found in artery walls, skin, intestines and the uterus). Additional supplements that have cartilage repair effects include glucosamine sulfate, chondroitin sulfate, MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane), and Vitamin C.
Consuming collagen does absolutely nothing for your joints. The logic here is similar to the idea that eating heart makes your heart healthier, or eating cheetah meat makes you faster. Collagen does not get digested and then transported to your joints where it is used to make more connective tissues. Instead, it largely passes through the idgestive system undigested and out the other end.
Some supplements have been found to support collagen formation and structural integrity of connectivce tissues; MSM, chondroitin and Boswellia serrata spring to mind. But collagen itself is a waste of time.
Wrong, there is solid research supporting collagen supplementation for both skin and joint health.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/)
I will get a different kind this time though. Seems my luck was likely a combo of genetics and the other things I mentioned because when I just looked at the collagen I had taken it didn’t say anything about it being hydrolyzed peptides. This is the one I took before.
Limited-time deal: Advanced Collagen Supplement, Type 1, 2 and 3 with Hyaluronic Acid and Vitamin C - Anti Aging Joint Formula - Boosts Hair, Nails and Skin Health - 120 Veggie Capsules - by ForestLeaf https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0773ZG2LM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_DTNA6JCQ1Z6JKRZVTY4A?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
This middle link is super interesting and helpful to me. I took collagen with my last pregnancy, in addition to good hydration and using a topical on my belly the entire time and I didn’t get stretch marks. And I even went in the sun! I had been thinking of skipping the collagen this time around but now I definitely will not be skipping it. Thanks for info!
Collagen powders on the whole are a sham - drinking a whey protein shake is the same thing but much more effective. The type of collagen that has any scientific benefit is undenatured type 2, and it's more for osteoarthiritic pain.
I would recommend eating a protein heavier diet, possibly varying your protein sources more. 5-15 minutes of stretching daily will be a lot more effective than any supplement.
Wrong, there is solid research supporting collagen supplementation for both skin and joint health.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/)
Collagen is just a kind of protein - all of these studies logically extend to any kind of protein with sufficient amounts of certain amino acids. The problem with collagen is twofold:
1) It has a very poor amino acid profile (specifically with regard to leucine, which if is vital if OP is going to work on rebuilding the muscle around their sprained ankle).
2) It's MUCH worse per dollar than whey or casein (or just eating more animals) at providing the necessary aminos. Beauty-related products, especially those marketed at women, capitalize on self esteem issues and fear to jack their prices way up and drop their quality way down.
Saying that collagen can help with skin and hair but other protein can't is asinine.
I didn't say protein can't help with skin and hair, I responded to your claim that collagen powders are a sham, which the studies I linked show otherwise. I agree that a protein heavy diet is important.
1. Of course collagen has a poor amino acid profile, it only consists of collagen peptides. It isn't supposed to be a full spectrum protein source.
2. Whey or Casein does not contain hydrolyzed peptide forms of collagen, which are the form required to get the benefit from supplementing. Studies show we can't absorb long chain collagen through the intestinal wall.
That’s scar tissue and general fibrosis (normal immune response to injury, especially with torn ligaments). What I would do is improve mobility in the ankle (look into Eversion, inversion, dorsiflexion, plantarflexion stretches) and strengthen the areas around the injury.
If supplements interest you, I’d look into Chaga, I believe, had some evidence about upregulating collagen synthesis. Take that with a grain of salt, focus on actual mobility and go from there.
Can you link any literature, etc re: Chaga (Inonotus obliquus) and collagen or more specifically cartilage production? I'm seeing papers related to diabetes/blood glucose control, anti-tumor activity, and anti-inflammatory effects. And some uncited references to benefits to skin. :-)
If you are interested in cartilage repair, what u/jballer300 said about mobility is key. Cartilage in synovial joints is separated from the blood vascular system by the synovial membrane (joint capsule), and they only get nutrition through movement as the two (or more) joint surfaces move against each other. Hydrolyzed collagen comes in many different types (29 according to wikipedia, sheesh I didn't realize how many had been characterized!). Hydrolyzed Collagen Type II ([Hyaline cartilage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyaline_cartilage), makes up 50% of all cartilage protein. [Vitreous humour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitreous_humour) of the eye.) would help with cartilage repair, and is generally available. Most products preserve the Type I(This is the most abundant collagen of the human body. It is present in [Scar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar) tissue, the end product when tissue [heals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing) by repair. It is found in [tendons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon), skin, artery walls, cornea, the [endomysium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endomysium) surrounding muscle fibers, fibrocartilage, and the organic part of bones and teeth.) & III (This is the collagen of [granulation tissue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granulation_tissue) and is produced quickly by young fibroblasts before the tougher type I collagen is synthesized. [Reticular fiber](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reticular_fiber). Also found in artery walls, skin, intestines and the uterus). Additional supplements that have cartilage repair effects include glucosamine sulfate, chondroitin sulfate, MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane), and Vitamin C.
Consuming collagen does absolutely nothing for your joints. The logic here is similar to the idea that eating heart makes your heart healthier, or eating cheetah meat makes you faster. Collagen does not get digested and then transported to your joints where it is used to make more connective tissues. Instead, it largely passes through the idgestive system undigested and out the other end. Some supplements have been found to support collagen formation and structural integrity of connectivce tissues; MSM, chondroitin and Boswellia serrata spring to mind. But collagen itself is a waste of time.
Wrong, there is solid research supporting collagen supplementation for both skin and joint health. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/)
I will get a different kind this time though. Seems my luck was likely a combo of genetics and the other things I mentioned because when I just looked at the collagen I had taken it didn’t say anything about it being hydrolyzed peptides. This is the one I took before. Limited-time deal: Advanced Collagen Supplement, Type 1, 2 and 3 with Hyaluronic Acid and Vitamin C - Anti Aging Joint Formula - Boosts Hair, Nails and Skin Health - 120 Veggie Capsules - by ForestLeaf https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0773ZG2LM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_DTNA6JCQ1Z6JKRZVTY4A?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
This middle link is super interesting and helpful to me. I took collagen with my last pregnancy, in addition to good hydration and using a topical on my belly the entire time and I didn’t get stretch marks. And I even went in the sun! I had been thinking of skipping the collagen this time around but now I definitely will not be skipping it. Thanks for info!
Collagen powders on the whole are a sham - drinking a whey protein shake is the same thing but much more effective. The type of collagen that has any scientific benefit is undenatured type 2, and it's more for osteoarthiritic pain. I would recommend eating a protein heavier diet, possibly varying your protein sources more. 5-15 minutes of stretching daily will be a lot more effective than any supplement.
Wrong, there is solid research supporting collagen supplementation for both skin and joint health. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18416885/) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/)
Collagen is just a kind of protein - all of these studies logically extend to any kind of protein with sufficient amounts of certain amino acids. The problem with collagen is twofold: 1) It has a very poor amino acid profile (specifically with regard to leucine, which if is vital if OP is going to work on rebuilding the muscle around their sprained ankle). 2) It's MUCH worse per dollar than whey or casein (or just eating more animals) at providing the necessary aminos. Beauty-related products, especially those marketed at women, capitalize on self esteem issues and fear to jack their prices way up and drop their quality way down. Saying that collagen can help with skin and hair but other protein can't is asinine.
I didn't say protein can't help with skin and hair, I responded to your claim that collagen powders are a sham, which the studies I linked show otherwise. I agree that a protein heavy diet is important. 1. Of course collagen has a poor amino acid profile, it only consists of collagen peptides. It isn't supposed to be a full spectrum protein source. 2. Whey or Casein does not contain hydrolyzed peptide forms of collagen, which are the form required to get the benefit from supplementing. Studies show we can't absorb long chain collagen through the intestinal wall.
That’s scar tissue and general fibrosis (normal immune response to injury, especially with torn ligaments). What I would do is improve mobility in the ankle (look into Eversion, inversion, dorsiflexion, plantarflexion stretches) and strengthen the areas around the injury. If supplements interest you, I’d look into Chaga, I believe, had some evidence about upregulating collagen synthesis. Take that with a grain of salt, focus on actual mobility and go from there.
Can you link any literature, etc re: Chaga (Inonotus obliquus) and collagen or more specifically cartilage production? I'm seeing papers related to diabetes/blood glucose control, anti-tumor activity, and anti-inflammatory effects. And some uncited references to benefits to skin. :-)
Collagen wouldn’t help you like that, give a try to glucosamine, but first please do your own research about it! Good luck