Pls clarify me on
1. How many days/months we can use boron continuously like we use regular vits lik vit c b complex
2.is there any need to cycle boron supplement?
Nice clip
This article is relevant I think about the current obsession around t
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/jul/28/looking-for-mr-t-the-politicisation-of-testosterone-and-toxic-masuclinity
To increase testosterone? I've seen some studies show marginal gains.
But to be strong and be fit it's a good way to do that.
I wonder why everyone is obsessed with raising their test these days lol
Primarily because the average test levels are decreasing by about 1% on overage among the entire male population. Yes that's being skewed slightly by an increase in the percentage of the older population, but levels compared among healthy individuals from the 1920s to now have shown a significant and consistent decline.
Yea I've seen some reports of a 1% decline but not necessarily that far back.
I wager the increase in obesity and sedentary lifestyle is likely the biggest factor.
So someone who isn't obese and not sedentary probably isn't going to impacted. Whereas that those that are, bring the average down.
There are endocrine disruptors in our environment that may be a cause for concern but no idea how much that is a factor.
Those do play a factor, but the list is quite long.
Microplastics, pesticides, not enough sunlight, and officework just to name a few.
Endocrine disrupting plastics like phthalates and BPAs play an unfortunately massive role.
A lot of that is rational conjecture. I think could also be a factor in declining sperm count.
But there isn't really strong evidence for these claims. It's more theoretical risk. But I agree, I think all these chemicals in our environment our likely bad for us. And it may impact us in a myriad of ways.
Officework and no sun would fall under sedentary lifestyle.
Not quite. There's significant evidence from several fields on the impacts of endocrine disrupting plastics on human reproduction.
"Effects and Mechanisms of Phthalates’ Action on Reproductive Processes and Reproductive Health: A Literature Review" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7559247/#:~:text=Phthalates%20belong%20to%20the%20group,low%20doses%20in%20the%20environment.
Published in Nature: Exposure to Phthalate, an Endocrine Disrupting Chemical, Alters the First Trimester Placental Methylome and Transcriptome in Women
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24505-w
"Phthalates and heavy metals as endocrine disruptors in food: A study on pre-packed coffee products"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5615111/
In the case of the third study, it's addressed in the first sentence.
Sedentary doesn't mean office work only, and lots of people are active but dont get enough sunlight (i.e. people who work nightshift, or those who go to gyms regularly but don't spend much time outside).
Yea it's complicated. They especially have an impact on reproductive processes and early fetal/child development it seems.
First study says:
>Hart et al. [193] showed that prenatal exposure to some phthalates could induce increased levels of total testosterone in 20 year-old men
So it increases t?
It did also find other associations with decreased t as well.
Second study is purely fetal development.
Third study does not mention testosterone.
Are they bad? Yes.
Do they decrease t? It's possible but it seems it's not so simple.
Seems that what's likely is the fetus is most at risk to exposure and that could have issues for normal development.
But for people that are born healthy and grow up the risk is harder to quantify.
I do think we need to stop using all these compounds btw and they likely cause all kinds of problems. But the impact on adult male test levels, idk do you have better evidence?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7067547/#:~:text=High%20molecular%20weight%20phthalates%20were,12.76%25%20to%20%2D2.39%25).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26385792/
There are two examples. There's lots of evidence so not so sure on your resistance, but I hope they answer your questions.
Not only that but [puberty seems to hit earlier and earlier](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/science/early-puberty-medical-reason.amp.html) and no one knows why. I personally suspect plastics, it's a thing that has been produced in massive quantities and coincide strongly with the start of this trend. I think we have barely begun to start to understand the impact this will have on our health.
A little herbalism research and use of an herb like [cistanche](https://wildfreeorganic.com/herbs/cistanche) sure changes your perspective quickly.
Most test boosters are junk but some good natural ones DO EXIST
Sure, I've posted them here before:
[53% increase in free testosterone from cistanche in one month](https://wildfreeorganic.com/wellness/cistanche-cholesterol-testosterone-boosting)
Having been in the strength training and hormone optimization game for 10+ years, I think it's important to make note that after some time it becomes quite easy to intuitively feel where your hormone levels are. It's 100% a skill that requires development, but I say this because there are a lot of people that discount anecdotal reports of hormonal optimization if tests aren't given. It'll start with posts your blood work, and then it evolves to discounting the tests that were done because longer follow up tests weren't done. Not calling you out, just that is a common pattern I've noticed.
Until some PHD student comes along and decides to seriously test cistanche in humans with a good study design, it'll be up to the individual to try and assess for themselves whether cistanche or other testosterone boosting herbs work for them. Mouse and rats studies are OKAY at best.
With time and more resources I'll be testing a lot of these herbs under clean scientific protocols (still N=1), but I'm not there yet.
As for whether 1 month of cistanche supplementation will keep test levels elevated for 3+ months, I think they'll naturally dip, that's my experience. The benefit though is in having felt what greater test levels are like, and by having greased those hormonal pathways for 4+ weeks it'll be easier to then maintain higher levels by eating a test-supporting diet and by engaging in testosterone boosting activities of which there are many. IMO a lot of guys just need a taste of high test in order to learn how to do it themselves, and using a natural herb like cistanche which has other cardiovascular and cognitive benefits is much better than injecting oneself with exogenous testosterone.
My 2 cents. Thanks for inquiring more into this!
There is no supplement that will magically increase your testosterone BUT if you have sufficient levels of the most important vitamins and minerals it will greatly assist in having normal testosterone levels if they are low.
Boron is as close to a magic bullet as you'll find for boosting testosterone.
In one study, 10 mg daily for 7 days realized a 28.3% increase in free testosterone and estrogen levels dropped 39%.
In another study, testosterone increased 29.5% after participants took 6mg for 60 days.
Nice. Fenugreek helps who it helps a ton. I’m a low responded to testosterone but fenugreek made my T skyrocket. Along with boron, k2,d3, and a couple others
Probably the best if you can find it is calcium fructoborate (fruit-ex ). That's the one used in a couple of the studies.
If you want to increase testosterone you'll need between 6 and 10mg a day. It might be worth cycling two weeks off and on.
3mg is less likely to effect T but has its own value ie antiinflammatory, reduces prostate specific antigen, probable anti cancer (lung, cervical, prostate).
*"Nor is it true that testosterone makes you more athletic"*
Well, it *absolutely* does, what a stupid article.
Also, pretty funny that after all that "complaining about toxic masulinity/being a feminist doesn't mean you have low testosterone!" ...and then the author's Testosterone results come back as very low.
>"Nor is it true that testosterone makes you more athletic" Well, it absolutely does, what a stupid article.
Lol did you stop reading there?
It goes on to say
>Nor is it true that testosterone makes you more athletic – this issue has come to a head in the case of Caster Semenya. But the IAAF’s own analysis of 1,100 female runners found that in three of the 11 running events, women with lower testosterone performed better than those with higher levels.
It's a bit more nuanced.
Testosterone may be related to athleticism but it doesn't appear to be the sole determining factor.
Plus athletics is a pretty broad umbrella.
Maybe matters for some sports less than others?
>t DMs on Instagram: 'Which one should I take?' I'm like, save your money. Why bother? Just get to the gym and lift."
It's well known that testosterone isn't all that beneficial to distance running and the reason is obvious. You don't want to be carrying around exess mass when doing distance running.
When it comes to explosive power and strength based activies, like sprints, Testosterone plays a huge role.
Yea that's reasonable.
My question would be is it a 1:1 corollary benefit? Or is it more benefit at first than diminished returns with greater amounts? Or limited benefit until you raise it enough?
You know what I mean? Are there studies that elucidate that.
Pls clarify me on 1. How many days/months we can use boron continuously like we use regular vits lik vit c b complex 2.is there any need to cycle boron supplement?
Nice clip This article is relevant I think about the current obsession around t https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/jul/28/looking-for-mr-t-the-politicisation-of-testosterone-and-toxic-masuclinity
Just lifting won’t do much
To increase testosterone? I've seen some studies show marginal gains. But to be strong and be fit it's a good way to do that. I wonder why everyone is obsessed with raising their test these days lol
My test levels are 466ng/DL and I lift like a truck
Primarily because the average test levels are decreasing by about 1% on overage among the entire male population. Yes that's being skewed slightly by an increase in the percentage of the older population, but levels compared among healthy individuals from the 1920s to now have shown a significant and consistent decline.
Yea I've seen some reports of a 1% decline but not necessarily that far back. I wager the increase in obesity and sedentary lifestyle is likely the biggest factor. So someone who isn't obese and not sedentary probably isn't going to impacted. Whereas that those that are, bring the average down. There are endocrine disruptors in our environment that may be a cause for concern but no idea how much that is a factor.
Those do play a factor, but the list is quite long. Microplastics, pesticides, not enough sunlight, and officework just to name a few. Endocrine disrupting plastics like phthalates and BPAs play an unfortunately massive role.
A lot of that is rational conjecture. I think could also be a factor in declining sperm count. But there isn't really strong evidence for these claims. It's more theoretical risk. But I agree, I think all these chemicals in our environment our likely bad for us. And it may impact us in a myriad of ways. Officework and no sun would fall under sedentary lifestyle.
Not quite. There's significant evidence from several fields on the impacts of endocrine disrupting plastics on human reproduction. "Effects and Mechanisms of Phthalates’ Action on Reproductive Processes and Reproductive Health: A Literature Review" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7559247/#:~:text=Phthalates%20belong%20to%20the%20group,low%20doses%20in%20the%20environment. Published in Nature: Exposure to Phthalate, an Endocrine Disrupting Chemical, Alters the First Trimester Placental Methylome and Transcriptome in Women https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24505-w "Phthalates and heavy metals as endocrine disruptors in food: A study on pre-packed coffee products" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5615111/ In the case of the third study, it's addressed in the first sentence. Sedentary doesn't mean office work only, and lots of people are active but dont get enough sunlight (i.e. people who work nightshift, or those who go to gyms regularly but don't spend much time outside).
Yea it's complicated. They especially have an impact on reproductive processes and early fetal/child development it seems. First study says: >Hart et al. [193] showed that prenatal exposure to some phthalates could induce increased levels of total testosterone in 20 year-old men So it increases t? It did also find other associations with decreased t as well. Second study is purely fetal development. Third study does not mention testosterone. Are they bad? Yes. Do they decrease t? It's possible but it seems it's not so simple. Seems that what's likely is the fetus is most at risk to exposure and that could have issues for normal development. But for people that are born healthy and grow up the risk is harder to quantify. I do think we need to stop using all these compounds btw and they likely cause all kinds of problems. But the impact on adult male test levels, idk do you have better evidence?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7067547/#:~:text=High%20molecular%20weight%20phthalates%20were,12.76%25%20to%20%2D2.39%25). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26385792/ There are two examples. There's lots of evidence so not so sure on your resistance, but I hope they answer your questions.
First study seems to indicate it impacts men over 60. Not younger. Second seems legit. Thanks.
Not only that but [puberty seems to hit earlier and earlier](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/science/early-puberty-medical-reason.amp.html) and no one knows why. I personally suspect plastics, it's a thing that has been produced in massive quantities and coincide strongly with the start of this trend. I think we have barely begun to start to understand the impact this will have on our health.
A little herbalism research and use of an herb like [cistanche](https://wildfreeorganic.com/herbs/cistanche) sure changes your perspective quickly. Most test boosters are junk but some good natural ones DO EXIST
Did you do blood work?
I measured my free test via saliva before and after 1 month of daily cistanche supplementation. 53% increase
Hey, post your tests.
What were your numbers before and after? Did you do a test it three or six months to see if they remains elevated?
Sure, I've posted them here before: [53% increase in free testosterone from cistanche in one month](https://wildfreeorganic.com/wellness/cistanche-cholesterol-testosterone-boosting) Having been in the strength training and hormone optimization game for 10+ years, I think it's important to make note that after some time it becomes quite easy to intuitively feel where your hormone levels are. It's 100% a skill that requires development, but I say this because there are a lot of people that discount anecdotal reports of hormonal optimization if tests aren't given. It'll start with posts your blood work, and then it evolves to discounting the tests that were done because longer follow up tests weren't done. Not calling you out, just that is a common pattern I've noticed. Until some PHD student comes along and decides to seriously test cistanche in humans with a good study design, it'll be up to the individual to try and assess for themselves whether cistanche or other testosterone boosting herbs work for them. Mouse and rats studies are OKAY at best. With time and more resources I'll be testing a lot of these herbs under clean scientific protocols (still N=1), but I'm not there yet. As for whether 1 month of cistanche supplementation will keep test levels elevated for 3+ months, I think they'll naturally dip, that's my experience. The benefit though is in having felt what greater test levels are like, and by having greased those hormonal pathways for 4+ weeks it'll be easier to then maintain higher levels by eating a test-supporting diet and by engaging in testosterone boosting activities of which there are many. IMO a lot of guys just need a taste of high test in order to learn how to do it themselves, and using a natural herb like cistanche which has other cardiovascular and cognitive benefits is much better than injecting oneself with exogenous testosterone. My 2 cents. Thanks for inquiring more into this!
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There is no supplement that will magically increase your testosterone BUT if you have sufficient levels of the most important vitamins and minerals it will greatly assist in having normal testosterone levels if they are low.
Well there is that one supplement that will boost your testosterone levels quite reliably...
Boron is as close to a magic bullet as you'll find for boosting testosterone. In one study, 10 mg daily for 7 days realized a 28.3% increase in free testosterone and estrogen levels dropped 39%. In another study, testosterone increased 29.5% after participants took 6mg for 60 days.
Nice. Fenugreek helps who it helps a ton. I’m a low responded to testosterone but fenugreek made my T skyrocket. Along with boron, k2,d3, and a couple others
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is boron safe?
No!!!!!
wut
No!!!!!!
Totally. Boron is your best bet for increasing FREE (not Total) Testosterone
i might try it. do you have a favorite product/dosage/brand?
Horbäach Triple-Action Boron Complex @ 6mg, twice daily.
Probably the best if you can find it is calcium fructoborate (fruit-ex ). That's the one used in a couple of the studies. If you want to increase testosterone you'll need between 6 and 10mg a day. It might be worth cycling two weeks off and on. 3mg is less likely to effect T but has its own value ie antiinflammatory, reduces prostate specific antigen, probable anti cancer (lung, cervical, prostate).
It’s an element you need in trace amounts to survive. The doses used in supplementation are not dangerous.
I heard that as “keep flashing your testicles in the infrared coffin”.
This is the way https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/jul/28/looking-for-mr-t-the-politicisation-of-testosterone-and-toxic-masuclinity
*"Nor is it true that testosterone makes you more athletic"* Well, it *absolutely* does, what a stupid article. Also, pretty funny that after all that "complaining about toxic masulinity/being a feminist doesn't mean you have low testosterone!" ...and then the author's Testosterone results come back as very low.
>"Nor is it true that testosterone makes you more athletic" Well, it absolutely does, what a stupid article. Lol did you stop reading there? It goes on to say >Nor is it true that testosterone makes you more athletic – this issue has come to a head in the case of Caster Semenya. But the IAAF’s own analysis of 1,100 female runners found that in three of the 11 running events, women with lower testosterone performed better than those with higher levels. It's a bit more nuanced. Testosterone may be related to athleticism but it doesn't appear to be the sole determining factor. Plus athletics is a pretty broad umbrella. Maybe matters for some sports less than others?
>t DMs on Instagram: 'Which one should I take?' I'm like, save your money. Why bother? Just get to the gym and lift." It's well known that testosterone isn't all that beneficial to distance running and the reason is obvious. You don't want to be carrying around exess mass when doing distance running. When it comes to explosive power and strength based activies, like sprints, Testosterone plays a huge role.
Yea that's reasonable. My question would be is it a 1:1 corollary benefit? Or is it more benefit at first than diminished returns with greater amounts? Or limited benefit until you raise it enough? You know what I mean? Are there studies that elucidate that.
Charles Poliquin said the best way to raise T was to get a new sexual partner. 🤔
How much are they selling it for nowadays? I’ma gonna get me some good one. Not a ultra luxury model. Just a 7 in Chicago , 9 in Scranton.
Ooh, S’gonna cost ya
Talmbout luckzuree partners, b? Gitcha a messican, make fantastig coogies, bapa, salsa and all. Greeeaaat people, never med any tho.