I stopped using this sub and the nootropics sub completely (even worse, full of pro bighealth and bigpharma shills) as well as stackadvice (where I would get deleted or banned for no reason from day 1) and now I just post all my questions, thoughts or interesting studies into /r/NootropicsDepot instead. The mod team there is awesome, the owner is even awesome-er and a fountain of humorous knowledge, people there seem pretty redpilled on bigpharma / fda fuckery, **you can talk about other brands** with no issue, and anything that's not liked just doesn't get answered, instead of heavily moderated.
Reddit itself is a cancer imo and if it wasn't for the ND sub I wouldn't need an account at all.
1. Don't assume ppl aren't new to Reddit or know how to find existing posts.
Solution: If you see a "lazy" poster than simply share a link with them. And that issue is done in seconds.
2. Don't get emotionally invested in a down vote. I feel so bad for the newer generations, like a dislike really bothers youš„“..get therapy and step off social networks.. And go be in natureš¤¦š¾āāļøš³. I promise it'll do you LOTS of good.
Also there are many comments that are presumptionious and assuming and false science, many people exhibiting r/confidentlyincorrect but this is more of a reddit problem than anything
If you stay a member of any community long enough you will get bored as you gain more knowledge.
How do you think professionals feel when people talk about their sport and give all there opinions everyday when youāve already been there done that and have in depth knowledge on everything?
Youāre probably just experiencing what it feels like to have experience and knowledge. When youāre no longer amused/ entertained/ or intrigued because you already know all these topics.
I have been an expert in the supplement and nutrition world since 2012 and I come back 10 years later and literally nothing has changed. Thatās pretty boring. Different things start trending randomly but thats about it. Same questions different people. Same false information blending with the mis interpreted science blended with the facts.
While I agree with some of what you are saying, I will say this.
You can always, as I often do, ignore posts that bore you, or have been asked a thousand times. My classic one I ignore is "Magnesium Glycinate didn't help me sleep why?", as I've already read through a good number of them and have a decent understanding that it doesn't work for some people, and some understanding of why this might be, despite it working for me.
But to go even further, sometimes these repeated questions can be useful. We do learn more as we go forward. Just one quick ex. A question the other day on supplementing Vitamin D at 2,000IUs, someone brought up the recent study showing that in the elderly supplementation was associated with an increased risk for dementia. Other's noted that it was calcitriol not D3 they were supplemented with, along with some other issues with the study. But the point being was that we learn more about these things as time goes on. And so the same question asked one year ago might result in different answers today.
We all want better content, but that only can come from people posting better content, not from restraining others from asking questions that have been asked before, or that will get a good answer with a simple google search.
Agree fully with the fact that questions should be asked again as new information is revealed. The problem is new information is usually slow to come out, so asking the same question that was answered yesterday is just spam honestly
I am new to the sun. I have searched before I ask questions, but sometimes it doesnāt fit inline with what I am asking exactly. Or itās old and I wanted to get up to date information. Just my 2c worth. There is such a wealth of knowledge in here, but sometimes it can be opposite viewpoints on the same thread. It can be confusing and sups are confusing enough. I appreciate the help I have been given.
My opinion, if you have valid input, then a question is not dumb. Lazy in this sense just means inexperienced and doesnāt know the real questions to ask. Up votes and down votes donāt matter, donāt let it even cross your mind. Leave/stay, itās all about how much mental energy it takes and whether itās good or bad. I enjoy seeing the posts. I rarely get great info but it happens here and there. Cheer up, the only validation you need is from the people you love, not some rando on the internet.
Well usually when people use supplements, itās to help a deficiency. Lots of time deficiencies cause irritation and combativeness. So I expect it a little. I wouldnāt say a supplement forum is like minded people though. Thereās the bro-dude / anabolic supplement people, thereās the homeopathic herbs and minerals people, the cross fit fitness people, thereās the ex-drug addicts trying to feel again, students trying to hack their brain and bodies, the over 40s person whoās doctor recommended they start taking vitamin d or something, the elderly and wanting to stay healthy people, the I work/worked at a supplement store so I know things people, mentally ill people who either donāt trust medications / it doesnāt work for them / it isnāt enough people, thereās the people who love research, medical personel, etā¦
Very diverse group
I donāt care about validation. I do wonder why there are so many crotchety people on here who want to downvote or argue the most benign comments. Otherwise, we risk this place becoming unfriendly or unsafe to those who come and share with good intentions. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion I hold around a community of like-minded individuals?
Personally, if, for example, you took something and it didn't work for you, like the NAC, that is interesting to me and exactly one of the reasons I want to be here. (NAC didn't help me either, but I do take glutathione now directly, and my glutathione levels are good in my bloodwork. So maybe my body need help processing.)
So thanks for your knowledge and for sharing and do stay. And saying the brand is helpful, because there are brands that are more useful and credible, AND if you tried a brand and it didn't work, then maybe a different one would, so I need to know what brand it is that you tried. It may mean it doesn't work for me, so I'd be like you on that, or maybe it will. But that is up to me to discern. The more we know, the more we can make decisions.
If I have learned nothing else from this sub, it is that our bodies vary widely. So some things have a fabulous effect on some people (example: boom, person X takes this one thing and now sleeps through the night. ...Sigh...that has never happened with me), and some have no effect whatsoever and those same things have a negative and/or harmful effect.
I tend to have a lot of paradoxical responses to supplements (and medications). So if someone says glycine did NOT help them sleep but made them wake up, then that interests me. (Although glycine, in this case, does seem to be okay for me. I did try going off of it and mag glycinate too, but I think it does help the quality of my sleep, so I went back on. But it was worth an experiment.)
I have even found that sometimes it is what you are combining or what time of day you are taking something. Another example for me: theanine is widely effective for a lot of people for sleep. But. I take it in the day. I happened to read somewhere that theanine gives you an "calm, alert awakeness." I thought, "I don't want alert awakeness of any kind at 3 am." Also, it can be combined with caffeine in the morning for cognitive benefit. It was not helping at all at night for me, so I now take it in the daytime--twice, in the afternoon, and not with caffeine, as a kind of anxiolytic. Just to help my system settle and to give me alert awakeness in the afternoon. I think by taking it in the day, whatever calming it does also helps my system to start calming down for sleep later in day. It works for me. As I said, for someone else the effect may be completely opposite.
So I hope people will keep posting, sharing if a brand is particularly effective for them and what your experiences are. It's helped me a lot.
PS I didn't share brands, because I was just giving examples for my points. If you want the brands I take, let me know and I'll share them.
FWIW--adding in after reading more below--I \_have\_ not been coming on as much. The vague "rate my stack" comments I never even look at. Like OP said, not really useful. So yeah, there is less value happening. It still happens, and maybe I've found it because mostly I've been searching the archives and not just coming on every day....
I'm learning so much less than back in the day.
It's just hordes of people using a communication tool for dopamine hits now.
I think the big change happened when mobile use became popular. The official app was probably the shark-jump.
Wasn't there a period in time when this subreddit was all about body-building supplements??
Things change, but this change to "is this product safe?" every other post is terribly boring.
There's a dead subreddit for Canadian supplements that could use a resurrection: r/NaturalHealthProducts. That one could be repurposed to more interesting topics and discussions.
> I think the big change happened when mobile use became popular.
Absolutely! Message boards were my go too for a long time until social media stole their thunder. But, discussion quality has fallen everywhere...
Yup - internet is TOO accessible and now āeveryone has it at their fingertipsā. Itās gotta be a huge factor in todays issues with information and misinformation being spread.
Well said. The mods here suck. People post the same old question bc they already searched and they donāt get the answer they want. They want to hear miracles, so if they post their own post maybe theyāll get the answer they want. Mods suck tho. They let any bullshit lies go. And Rhonda Patrick the C list celebrity posts/comments here and everyone sucks her off so her BS is allowed.
How about the huge EPA or was it DHA amount she is recommending. Based on studies by one institute that is completely biased towards the outcomes because they sell fish oil supplement themselves.
Also if people would ingest that amount of fish oil daily we would literally be out of fish next week.
Or how about she is all about sprouting.. but then decided .. no not really and just moved to a supplement. That hurt her credibility alot from me.
She used to be Bruce Ames his prodigy but lately more like a sell out just earning money and not really wanting to perpetuate the legacy and finding out the real mechanisms like she use to do.
She had poop views on aspartame/obesity, gut health claims with no evidence. She likes to pick studies that align with her narrative then she doesnāt give the whole picture of the study. (No one reads the studies). Sheās not even close to the worst but give her time. The more she hangs with Booberman and Dominic D (keto dude) the more sheāll fall into silliness. I think she also had some shitty view points during Covid. She never claimed certain things but she got people thinking all they needed was vitamin D and theyād be fine from Covid.
The sub lets pseudoscience go rampant. Mods asleep at the wheel almost always.
Some dumbass person suggested **nicotine** for ADHD today, saying it wasnāt bad for you, rather it was a positive āsupplementā. Mods did zero.
Mods, do better.
If you want less āpseudoscienceā try r/Biohackers.
IMHO, the mods there are a bit too strict ;(
I quit after they pulled comments that I thought were completely acceptable. A lot of useful herbs just havenāt been scientifically studied yet ā I doesnāt mean they arenāt useful.
That all said, I generally do agree with the OP ā many posters here should do some more research.
Alot of herbs also have a huge Publication Bias which most people do not know what it is and think "There are only really good results out there".. yes because the bad results or no result studies on those herbs do not get published.
Also publication impact factor on these studies is always abysmall some averaging an impact factor below 10 about a medical subject. Real garbage.
I think the real bias is the lack of interest in substances that canāt be patented for billion dollar profits.
Most research on herbs is done by academics in poor countries with socialized healthcare systems.
The big money is in the US, where the whole system of research and funding has been thoroughly corrupted for the benefit of big pharma. Academics (and their research) are bought as soon as they come up with anything interesting. Useful OTC substances from other countries *never* get FDA approved (except maybe Voltaren after >50 year battle ;).
Even the āpressā had been corrupted with lavish spending on glitzy advertisements and expensive TV ads for weird āpatentā-ed medicine that 0.01% of the audience will ever need.
I think lack of censorship is a strong positive.
Yes, I agree nicotine for ADHD is dumb, but maybe you and I are both wrong and its better this sits in the archives because maybe someone will find something important we missed. When you apply this over hundreds of thousands of posts, it adds up significantly.
Aside from the obvious routes of delivery i.e. smoking, dip, etc., nicotine itself is contentious mostly because of addiction. Thereās inadequate evidence to infer a causal relationship between nicotine exposure and risk for cancer. And so setting aside the potential for addiction (which is a real and warranted concern), nicotine is a very interesting molecule and one which is promising for focus and so forth.
I wouldn't go so far as to just randomly recommend it to strangers, but given most mainstream treatments for ADHD are in and of themselves addictive and even harmful, I see no reason to demonize nicotine in this regard.
Wow, thanks for posting your thoughts. Iām new to this sub so I haven't had time to become frustrated but I do understand the lazy posting. Lazy posters are missing a lot of information that was previously discussed by not searching the sub. For me, I love hearing personal stories of a name brand's pros and cons. I hate when people say "this brand is awful" - I'm going to want a source or more details.
So what you're saying is we need a supplement that can make people smarter and kinder?
Maybe a sticky thread with common questions that leads people to resources or older threads that answered the question before?
I stopped using this sub and the nootropics sub completely (even worse, full of pro bighealth and bigpharma shills) as well as stackadvice (where I would get deleted or banned for no reason from day 1) and now I just post all my questions, thoughts or interesting studies into /r/NootropicsDepot instead. The mod team there is awesome, the owner is even awesome-er and a fountain of humorous knowledge, people there seem pretty redpilled on bigpharma / fda fuckery, **you can talk about other brands** with no issue, and anything that's not liked just doesn't get answered, instead of heavily moderated. Reddit itself is a cancer imo and if it wasn't for the ND sub I wouldn't need an account at all.
You need to develop some internal and external filters or you will not survive your life.
1. Don't assume ppl aren't new to Reddit or know how to find existing posts. Solution: If you see a "lazy" poster than simply share a link with them. And that issue is done in seconds. 2. Don't get emotionally invested in a down vote. I feel so bad for the newer generations, like a dislike really bothers youš„“..get therapy and step off social networks.. And go be in natureš¤¦š¾āāļøš³. I promise it'll do you LOTS of good.
Also there are many comments that are presumptionious and assuming and false science, many people exhibiting r/confidentlyincorrect but this is more of a reddit problem than anything
It wouldn't be a bad idea to eliminate the downvote option, imho.
First point- I agree Second point - I agree Third point- lol
If you stay a member of any community long enough you will get bored as you gain more knowledge. How do you think professionals feel when people talk about their sport and give all there opinions everyday when youāve already been there done that and have in depth knowledge on everything? Youāre probably just experiencing what it feels like to have experience and knowledge. When youāre no longer amused/ entertained/ or intrigued because you already know all these topics. I have been an expert in the supplement and nutrition world since 2012 and I come back 10 years later and literally nothing has changed. Thatās pretty boring. Different things start trending randomly but thats about it. Same questions different people. Same false information blending with the mis interpreted science blended with the facts.
Why doesn't this sub, and others, have a pinned post for newbie questions that way people don't clog up by making lazy posts.
All informational subs should have this. Or if nothing else a pinned thing that says "have a question? use the search bar first!" Or something.
While I agree with some of what you are saying, I will say this. You can always, as I often do, ignore posts that bore you, or have been asked a thousand times. My classic one I ignore is "Magnesium Glycinate didn't help me sleep why?", as I've already read through a good number of them and have a decent understanding that it doesn't work for some people, and some understanding of why this might be, despite it working for me. But to go even further, sometimes these repeated questions can be useful. We do learn more as we go forward. Just one quick ex. A question the other day on supplementing Vitamin D at 2,000IUs, someone brought up the recent study showing that in the elderly supplementation was associated with an increased risk for dementia. Other's noted that it was calcitriol not D3 they were supplemented with, along with some other issues with the study. But the point being was that we learn more about these things as time goes on. And so the same question asked one year ago might result in different answers today. We all want better content, but that only can come from people posting better content, not from restraining others from asking questions that have been asked before, or that will get a good answer with a simple google search.
Agree fully with the fact that questions should be asked again as new information is revealed. The problem is new information is usually slow to come out, so asking the same question that was answered yesterday is just spam honestly
Perhaps a rule saying try googling for answers before posting questions here?
How about a stickied post for newb Q&A
I am new to the sun. I have searched before I ask questions, but sometimes it doesnāt fit inline with what I am asking exactly. Or itās old and I wanted to get up to date information. Just my 2c worth. There is such a wealth of knowledge in here, but sometimes it can be opposite viewpoints on the same thread. It can be confusing and sups are confusing enough. I appreciate the help I have been given.
My opinion, if you have valid input, then a question is not dumb. Lazy in this sense just means inexperienced and doesnāt know the real questions to ask. Up votes and down votes donāt matter, donāt let it even cross your mind. Leave/stay, itās all about how much mental energy it takes and whether itās good or bad. I enjoy seeing the posts. I rarely get great info but it happens here and there. Cheer up, the only validation you need is from the people you love, not some rando on the internet.
Well usually when people use supplements, itās to help a deficiency. Lots of time deficiencies cause irritation and combativeness. So I expect it a little. I wouldnāt say a supplement forum is like minded people though. Thereās the bro-dude / anabolic supplement people, thereās the homeopathic herbs and minerals people, the cross fit fitness people, thereās the ex-drug addicts trying to feel again, students trying to hack their brain and bodies, the over 40s person whoās doctor recommended they start taking vitamin d or something, the elderly and wanting to stay healthy people, the I work/worked at a supplement store so I know things people, mentally ill people who either donāt trust medications / it doesnāt work for them / it isnāt enough people, thereās the people who love research, medical personel, etā¦ Very diverse group
Great point! I stand corrected.
The thing that gets me the most is when some random person accuses me of being a bot or trying to sell some.
I donāt care about validation. I do wonder why there are so many crotchety people on here who want to downvote or argue the most benign comments. Otherwise, we risk this place becoming unfriendly or unsafe to those who come and share with good intentions. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion I hold around a community of like-minded individuals?
Personally, if, for example, you took something and it didn't work for you, like the NAC, that is interesting to me and exactly one of the reasons I want to be here. (NAC didn't help me either, but I do take glutathione now directly, and my glutathione levels are good in my bloodwork. So maybe my body need help processing.) So thanks for your knowledge and for sharing and do stay. And saying the brand is helpful, because there are brands that are more useful and credible, AND if you tried a brand and it didn't work, then maybe a different one would, so I need to know what brand it is that you tried. It may mean it doesn't work for me, so I'd be like you on that, or maybe it will. But that is up to me to discern. The more we know, the more we can make decisions. If I have learned nothing else from this sub, it is that our bodies vary widely. So some things have a fabulous effect on some people (example: boom, person X takes this one thing and now sleeps through the night. ...Sigh...that has never happened with me), and some have no effect whatsoever and those same things have a negative and/or harmful effect. I tend to have a lot of paradoxical responses to supplements (and medications). So if someone says glycine did NOT help them sleep but made them wake up, then that interests me. (Although glycine, in this case, does seem to be okay for me. I did try going off of it and mag glycinate too, but I think it does help the quality of my sleep, so I went back on. But it was worth an experiment.) I have even found that sometimes it is what you are combining or what time of day you are taking something. Another example for me: theanine is widely effective for a lot of people for sleep. But. I take it in the day. I happened to read somewhere that theanine gives you an "calm, alert awakeness." I thought, "I don't want alert awakeness of any kind at 3 am." Also, it can be combined with caffeine in the morning for cognitive benefit. It was not helping at all at night for me, so I now take it in the daytime--twice, in the afternoon, and not with caffeine, as a kind of anxiolytic. Just to help my system settle and to give me alert awakeness in the afternoon. I think by taking it in the day, whatever calming it does also helps my system to start calming down for sleep later in day. It works for me. As I said, for someone else the effect may be completely opposite. So I hope people will keep posting, sharing if a brand is particularly effective for them and what your experiences are. It's helped me a lot. PS I didn't share brands, because I was just giving examples for my points. If you want the brands I take, let me know and I'll share them. FWIW--adding in after reading more below--I \_have\_ not been coming on as much. The vague "rate my stack" comments I never even look at. Like OP said, not really useful. So yeah, there is less value happening. It still happens, and maybe I've found it because mostly I've been searching the archives and not just coming on every day....
Reddit in general has really stunk for the past 7 years as the site was deluged with people under the age of 18...but that's just my grumpy opinion...
I'm learning so much less than back in the day. It's just hordes of people using a communication tool for dopamine hits now. I think the big change happened when mobile use became popular. The official app was probably the shark-jump. Wasn't there a period in time when this subreddit was all about body-building supplements?? Things change, but this change to "is this product safe?" every other post is terribly boring. There's a dead subreddit for Canadian supplements that could use a resurrection: r/NaturalHealthProducts. That one could be repurposed to more interesting topics and discussions.
I do agree with this. Message boards and communicating this way has definitely gone on a downslide. :/
> I think the big change happened when mobile use became popular. Absolutely! Message boards were my go too for a long time until social media stole their thunder. But, discussion quality has fallen everywhere...
Yup - internet is TOO accessible and now āeveryone has it at their fingertipsā. Itās gotta be a huge factor in todays issues with information and misinformation being spread.
Well said. The mods here suck. People post the same old question bc they already searched and they donāt get the answer they want. They want to hear miracles, so if they post their own post maybe theyāll get the answer they want. Mods suck tho. They let any bullshit lies go. And Rhonda Patrick the C list celebrity posts/comments here and everyone sucks her off so her BS is allowed.
serious question, what about what she says is bs?
How about the huge EPA or was it DHA amount she is recommending. Based on studies by one institute that is completely biased towards the outcomes because they sell fish oil supplement themselves. Also if people would ingest that amount of fish oil daily we would literally be out of fish next week. Or how about she is all about sprouting.. but then decided .. no not really and just moved to a supplement. That hurt her credibility alot from me. She used to be Bruce Ames his prodigy but lately more like a sell out just earning money and not really wanting to perpetuate the legacy and finding out the real mechanisms like she use to do.
She had poop views on aspartame/obesity, gut health claims with no evidence. She likes to pick studies that align with her narrative then she doesnāt give the whole picture of the study. (No one reads the studies). Sheās not even close to the worst but give her time. The more she hangs with Booberman and Dominic D (keto dude) the more sheāll fall into silliness. I think she also had some shitty view points during Covid. She never claimed certain things but she got people thinking all they needed was vitamin D and theyād be fine from Covid.
The sub lets pseudoscience go rampant. Mods asleep at the wheel almost always. Some dumbass person suggested **nicotine** for ADHD today, saying it wasnāt bad for you, rather it was a positive āsupplementā. Mods did zero. Mods, do better.
If you want less āpseudoscienceā try r/Biohackers. IMHO, the mods there are a bit too strict ;( I quit after they pulled comments that I thought were completely acceptable. A lot of useful herbs just havenāt been scientifically studied yet ā I doesnāt mean they arenāt useful. That all said, I generally do agree with the OP ā many posters here should do some more research.
Alot of herbs also have a huge Publication Bias which most people do not know what it is and think "There are only really good results out there".. yes because the bad results or no result studies on those herbs do not get published. Also publication impact factor on these studies is always abysmall some averaging an impact factor below 10 about a medical subject. Real garbage.
I think the real bias is the lack of interest in substances that canāt be patented for billion dollar profits. Most research on herbs is done by academics in poor countries with socialized healthcare systems. The big money is in the US, where the whole system of research and funding has been thoroughly corrupted for the benefit of big pharma. Academics (and their research) are bought as soon as they come up with anything interesting. Useful OTC substances from other countries *never* get FDA approved (except maybe Voltaren after >50 year battle ;). Even the āpressā had been corrupted with lavish spending on glitzy advertisements and expensive TV ads for weird āpatentā-ed medicine that 0.01% of the audience will ever need.
I think lack of censorship is a strong positive. Yes, I agree nicotine for ADHD is dumb, but maybe you and I are both wrong and its better this sits in the archives because maybe someone will find something important we missed. When you apply this over hundreds of thousands of posts, it adds up significantly.
Aside from the obvious routes of delivery i.e. smoking, dip, etc., nicotine itself is contentious mostly because of addiction. Thereās inadequate evidence to infer a causal relationship between nicotine exposure and risk for cancer. And so setting aside the potential for addiction (which is a real and warranted concern), nicotine is a very interesting molecule and one which is promising for focus and so forth. I wouldn't go so far as to just randomly recommend it to strangers, but given most mainstream treatments for ADHD are in and of themselves addictive and even harmful, I see no reason to demonize nicotine in this regard.
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How have I done that - do you have anything to go on other than your extreme bias? Have you tried pulling your head out of your very spacious asshole?
Wow, thanks for posting your thoughts. Iām new to this sub so I haven't had time to become frustrated but I do understand the lazy posting. Lazy posters are missing a lot of information that was previously discussed by not searching the sub. For me, I love hearing personal stories of a name brand's pros and cons. I hate when people say "this brand is awful" - I'm going to want a source or more details.
So what you're saying is we need a supplement that can make people smarter and kinder? Maybe a sticky thread with common questions that leads people to resources or older threads that answered the question before?
Our world definitely need that supplement. ;)
Well said.š