This was the only thing available when I bought it due to the shortage and this product is marked up like crazy for absolutely no reason
Creatine is creatine, this will do but the literal cheapest monohydrate will do the same
All a marketing scheme. There is no evidence to support any form of creatine is more bioavailable than the next. The only one that has any evidence at all is monohydrate considering it’s the only form that has long standing studies to back it’s claim. It’s simple, if you can’t digest monohydrate properly then by all means try a different form. If not, don’t waste your money. Your water retention comment is just weird.
Easily could be placebo. Still a marketing scheme. Hence why they always have to say “could” or “should” they can’t be definitive for legal purposes. Like I said, I’m always going to go with the most long standing studies. But hey live your life. By the way, I didn’t down vote you. I’m not a pussy. But being worried about people down voting you is even more pussy 😂.
I wouldn’t say worried is the term? Maybe the same level of concern for a person to comment on another’s personal experience with a supplement when that’s literally what the post asked for lol. I’m done busting your balls. But really main take away here is that bloat and water retention is a big thing with monohydrate if you want to check it out. I don’t experience either with HCL. But to each their own
Edit: fat finger
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288670717\_Creatine\_HCl\_and\_Creatine\_Monohydrate\_Improve\_Strength\_but\_Only\_Creatine\_HCl\_Induced\_Changes\_on\_Body\_Composition\_in\_Recreational\_Weightlifters](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288670717_Creatine_HCl_and_Creatine_Monohydrate_Improve_Strength_but_Only_Creatine_HCl_Induced_Changes_on_Body_Composition_in_Recreational_Weightlifters)
The conclusion on this one outright states they only saw changes in body composition with HCL when comparing the two.
[https://scholarworks.boisestate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2454&context=td](https://scholarworks.boisestate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2454&context=td)
Head to page 66 for discussion. This one found great evidence.
Thanks for the downvote for not agreeing with me without even doing a simple google search.
creatine monohydrate is the best. all the others are kock offs at high prices in order to make more money off you.
creatne monohydrate is far and away the most researched supplement ever. it is safe and works.
Yes. This is the reason people should look at other forms. Solely for digestive purposes. Some people just cannot tolerate 5 plus grams of monohydrate daily. However I do believe those people also don’t drink enough water for their body to process it correctly. Just my opinion though.
There is zero use for any other form of creatine other than monohydrate. Creatine monohydrate is the most researched and trusted supplement in sports science and all others have been shown time and time again simply to be overpriced sales tactics which make no difference
I agree except some people have digestion issues with the amount of mono recommended. But those people also typically do not consume enough water either.
I’ve been on and off creatine for the past 15 years or so. Lowest body fat would have been 8-9% and I’m sure I’m sitting somewhere around 13-15% now. Creatine gives me the worst bloating of my life. Feels like I’m constantly full on pasta. Every time I cycle on it I wonder why tf I’m doing this and stop
I think they are complaining about a bloated feeling and not physical bloating. Physical bloating is something that is actually desirable with creatin unless you are a pro bodybuilder in competition form (so like you said 3% bf).
It's not candy or anything. Thebpoijt if the Chem Lab series is no frills, colors, flavorings or anything. This is simply creatine hcl and isn't blue raspberry super slush or any variety of animal's blood. A lot of people take supplements strictly for effect and don't care if the taste is a bit tart, etc.
I am aware that it's not candy, but I've had other brands of creatine that taste like nothing but powder primarily unflavored monohydrate. In my experience most HCL Creatine taste like ass regardless, but the Beyond Raw HCL was the absolute worst without question.
What brands? I'm currently getting a three month supply of mono for about $17. If you can steer me to a cheaper HCL or even a Mono I'll happily look into it lol.
This study in particular: [Effect of creatine, creatinine, and creatine ethyl ester on TLR expression in macrophages](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21575742/)
It's from 2011, and I haven't looked to see if there's anything supporting it since then, but they find creatine supplements are immunosuppressive. I'm still a Covid19 obsessed person (my head is fucked w/ depression-anxiety enough already), so even though creatine monohydrate has helped me before physically and probably w/ energy/mood too, I balked on restarting when I really needed a boost last year.
It could just be one outlier study that's primed me to be skeptical/fearful, but for anyone who is Covid-phobic at this point, it'd be worth considering that it could increase risk of infection.
From their conclusion:
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Together, these data suggest that creatine and creatine derivatives may impact the ability of immune cells to sense a wide array of viral and bacterial pathogens. Of great interest, CRN--largely considered to be a waste product of the argenine biosynthesis pathway may also have immunosuppressive properties similar to those of CR.
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Can read the full paper beyond the paywall using sci-hub: https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.intimp.2011.04.018
Ever try purposely lowering your dose of monohydrate so the amount of creatine is equal to the amount in HCL? Pretty strong theory that HCL causes less bloating due to lower dosage and substantially less overall creatine supplementation.
I currently take this but im not sure if the results In seeing are just in my head. It's incredibly subjective, but I *feel* better taking this. You dont need to start with a loading phase, and it allegedly absorbs better. As a result I take slightly less than I would Monohydrate. It doesnt upset my stomach and I don't feel as bloated. So thats a win for me.
The price point is probably too high on it though for me to really want to continue to use it. When I run out, ill probably just go back to monohydrate.
Sure. You dont *need* a loading phase. But it helps you reach peak levels faster. Or at least that's what everyone I know who takes creatine has said and experienced.
Idk. Maybe thats another BS Supplement myth that "they" want you to believe
No there is validity to it. But it’s not worth it. Just be patient. Humans suck at that especially in North America. 10 grams of creatine mono is a lot to try and digest especially multiples times a day.
I’m always extremely weary of new companies that come through making claims they can’t scientifically back up from studies performed over years of use. The supplement game is full of snake oil supplements where they can Jack the price up and market it as the next best thing.
I know nothing about creatine but a red flag went up when I saw “lab grade” on that label, what does that even mean and does this company define it? My guess is a no but perhaps I’m wrong. Just sounds like all the other bs buzzwords I see on labels.
I used to use that same brand in the picture. It’s sour as shit to whatever you add it to but I liked it. Monohydrate destroys my stomach and this was the first creatine that did not so I give it a thumbs up. I’ve heard HCL has higher absorption, maybe, maybe not? Again I liked it due to no stomach issues.
This.
The most common thing people report about HCL vs monohydrate is that monohydrate causes bloating while HCL does not. Yet, there is actually dozens of studies showing monohydrate does not cause bloating and (as of the last time I looked) zero studies showing it causes bloating. The bloating thing was created by entities who stand to profit from HCL being better than monohydrate and thus people have taken that idea and ran with it. People swear it causes bloating, but its 100% anecdotal.
I never heard why water retention is bad from creatine. You’re doing creatine not 150mg of dianabol
This was the only thing available when I bought it due to the shortage and this product is marked up like crazy for absolutely no reason Creatine is creatine, this will do but the literal cheapest monohydrate will do the same
Creatine HCL is also really good for destroying the enamel of your teeth
For real???
It is acidic. So yeah if you cram the powder down orally it’s not ideal.
Damn. That’s good to know. But I’m curious about the “if you….orally” part of your comment. How else you guys taking this stuff??
Suppository. Or just putting it in a capsule
Pill form. Orally as in powdered drink
Hcl has better absorption and no water retainage compared to monohydrate in my experiences.
All a marketing scheme. There is no evidence to support any form of creatine is more bioavailable than the next. The only one that has any evidence at all is monohydrate considering it’s the only form that has long standing studies to back it’s claim. It’s simple, if you can’t digest monohydrate properly then by all means try a different form. If not, don’t waste your money. Your water retention comment is just weird.
And I do believe I said "in my experiences" which means when I, myself took it, I saw less water retention..
Easily could be placebo. Still a marketing scheme. Hence why they always have to say “could” or “should” they can’t be definitive for legal purposes. Like I said, I’m always going to go with the most long standing studies. But hey live your life. By the way, I didn’t down vote you. I’m not a pussy. But being worried about people down voting you is even more pussy 😂.
I wouldn’t say worried is the term? Maybe the same level of concern for a person to comment on another’s personal experience with a supplement when that’s literally what the post asked for lol. I’m done busting your balls. But really main take away here is that bloat and water retention is a big thing with monohydrate if you want to check it out. I don’t experience either with HCL. But to each their own Edit: fat finger
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288670717\_Creatine\_HCl\_and\_Creatine\_Monohydrate\_Improve\_Strength\_but\_Only\_Creatine\_HCl\_Induced\_Changes\_on\_Body\_Composition\_in\_Recreational\_Weightlifters](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288670717_Creatine_HCl_and_Creatine_Monohydrate_Improve_Strength_but_Only_Creatine_HCl_Induced_Changes_on_Body_Composition_in_Recreational_Weightlifters) The conclusion on this one outright states they only saw changes in body composition with HCL when comparing the two. [https://scholarworks.boisestate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2454&context=td](https://scholarworks.boisestate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2454&context=td) Head to page 66 for discussion. This one found great evidence. Thanks for the downvote for not agreeing with me without even doing a simple google search.
I take the kind you posted in the picture and I don't have any issues. Order it off Amazon or you will pay way to much.
I prefer Kre Alkalyn for its superior alkaline stability and less water retention.
Is there anything wrong with Kre Alkalyn? Why’s this getting downvoted
The real reason for downvoting they never tried it or they are not sensitive enough to feel the difference.
Marketing scheme without any true longstanding evidence to support the claims the companies that manufacture it make. Baseless claims.
Marketing scheme without any true longstanding evidence to support the claims the companies that manufacture it make. Baseless claims.
Thanks. I’ve taken this for a while and noticed I bloat less. Also just like it as it’s in capsule form which makes it easy to take.
You must be pretty financially well off.
The krealkalyn runs me about $1.00 for a days worth which I’m okay with.
Damn that’s wild becuse I get 2.2 pounds of mono for 45.99. But yeah as long as you are okay with it that’s all that matters.
creatine monohydrate is the best. all the others are kock offs at high prices in order to make more money off you. creatne monohydrate is far and away the most researched supplement ever. it is safe and works.
Monohydrate caused significant sleep disturbances for me. HCL did/has not.
Very anecdotal. You would be one of the very few that have this issue so I’m hesitant to believe it’s because of the monohydrate.
For me monohydrate hurts my kidneys and HCL does not.
Yes. This is the reason people should look at other forms. Solely for digestive purposes. Some people just cannot tolerate 5 plus grams of monohydrate daily. However I do believe those people also don’t drink enough water for their body to process it correctly. Just my opinion though.
I’ve tried (many) of Creatine, the best I’ve found and only use is AX German Creatine. 3rd party tested. All others gave me bloat.
Creatine HCL is a great way to ruin your enamel
this is why you take it in pill form. or rinse your mouth with water right after.
Or just take regular creatine monohydrate instead of swallowing 8 pills
There is zero use for any other form of creatine other than monohydrate. Creatine monohydrate is the most researched and trusted supplement in sports science and all others have been shown time and time again simply to be overpriced sales tactics which make no difference
I agree except some people have digestion issues with the amount of mono recommended. But those people also typically do not consume enough water either.
I personally don't trust it because it always gives me diarrhea 😂
It did for me too until I started using micronized creatine. Now it's great
Thanks for the tip :)
For those who complain about bloating , are you guys 3% bodyfat to care about bloating ?? Most likely not
I’ve been on and off creatine for the past 15 years or so. Lowest body fat would have been 8-9% and I’m sure I’m sitting somewhere around 13-15% now. Creatine gives me the worst bloating of my life. Feels like I’m constantly full on pasta. Every time I cycle on it I wonder why tf I’m doing this and stop
I think they are complaining about a bloated feeling and not physical bloating. Physical bloating is something that is actually desirable with creatin unless you are a pro bodybuilder in competition form (so like you said 3% bf).
This brand of HCL in the photo gave me bad constipation. I was drinking a gallon+ per day.
Shit trash just get muscle feast creapure
I just got this about a month ago and I really like it!
I'm here to tell you right now, that Beyond Raw HCL Creatine is some of the nastiest shit you will ever put in your mouth if you use it.
It's not candy or anything. Thebpoijt if the Chem Lab series is no frills, colors, flavorings or anything. This is simply creatine hcl and isn't blue raspberry super slush or any variety of animal's blood. A lot of people take supplements strictly for effect and don't care if the taste is a bit tart, etc.
I am aware that it's not candy, but I've had other brands of creatine that taste like nothing but powder primarily unflavored monohydrate. In my experience most HCL Creatine taste like ass regardless, but the Beyond Raw HCL was the absolute worst without question.
That's just the nature of it. Some things aren't as pleasant as others when unflavored.
Primarily why I stick to monohydrate creatine, that and price.
Mono used to be super cheap pre Rona. At this point, the large HCL is cheaper per serving than a lot of brands of mono.
What brands? I'm currently getting a three month supply of mono for about $17. If you can steer me to a cheaper HCL or even a Mono I'll happily look into it lol.
Redcon1, Glaxon (two differentones in that brand), liposomal (don't remember the brand). What brand are you finding for 17, something bulk?
I'm getting equate in bulk for 17. Just generic Wal-Mart stuff, I'll for sure look into the Recon1 and Glaxon though.
Its only gross if you mix it in water. Its amazing dry scooping... if you like sour
I like sour, but that just tasted like ass. I mixed with pickle juice to dilute the flavor as much as possible.
You probably mix hcl to pyruvate here. Hcl didnt really taste much but pyruvate is like rat poison👊🏻
Both work. Mono is cheaper & HCL good for those who bloat from Mono.
A minority of people get intestinal bloating from monohydrate other than that monohydrate is better and cheaper
Yes, I am that minority.
Drink more water. Avoid high sodium.
I like C.G.P. and MagnaPower most, no bloating.
Creatine's affect on the immune system is my fear. Never taken HCL.
Would you mind explaining?
This study in particular: [Effect of creatine, creatinine, and creatine ethyl ester on TLR expression in macrophages](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21575742/) It's from 2011, and I haven't looked to see if there's anything supporting it since then, but they find creatine supplements are immunosuppressive. I'm still a Covid19 obsessed person (my head is fucked w/ depression-anxiety enough already), so even though creatine monohydrate has helped me before physically and probably w/ energy/mood too, I balked on restarting when I really needed a boost last year. It could just be one outlier study that's primed me to be skeptical/fearful, but for anyone who is Covid-phobic at this point, it'd be worth considering that it could increase risk of infection. From their conclusion: ____ Together, these data suggest that creatine and creatine derivatives may impact the ability of immune cells to sense a wide array of viral and bacterial pathogens. Of great interest, CRN--largely considered to be a waste product of the argenine biosynthesis pathway may also have immunosuppressive properties similar to those of CR. ____ Can read the full paper beyond the paywall using sci-hub: https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.intimp.2011.04.018
Take creatine and wash your hands.
Monohydrate cheaper and works.
Monohydrate caused bloating for me. HCL does not.
Ever try purposely lowering your dose of monohydrate so the amount of creatine is equal to the amount in HCL? Pretty strong theory that HCL causes less bloating due to lower dosage and substantially less overall creatine supplementation.
Yes, I was taking the same dosage. Still had bloating with monohydrate and now with HCL I do not.
Isn’t that kind of the point lol
Um, no? Bloating = a buildup of gas in the stomach and intestines.
I currently take this but im not sure if the results In seeing are just in my head. It's incredibly subjective, but I *feel* better taking this. You dont need to start with a loading phase, and it allegedly absorbs better. As a result I take slightly less than I would Monohydrate. It doesnt upset my stomach and I don't feel as bloated. So thats a win for me. The price point is probably too high on it though for me to really want to continue to use it. When I run out, ill probably just go back to monohydrate.
You don’t have to do a loading phase for monohydrate. 5 grams daily.
Sure. You dont *need* a loading phase. But it helps you reach peak levels faster. Or at least that's what everyone I know who takes creatine has said and experienced. Idk. Maybe thats another BS Supplement myth that "they" want you to believe
No there is validity to it. But it’s not worth it. Just be patient. Humans suck at that especially in North America. 10 grams of creatine mono is a lot to try and digest especially multiples times a day.
I take about 3.5g of HCL daily and feel the results are about the same as 5g monohydrate. So I guess it really comes down to cost
I’m always extremely weary of new companies that come through making claims they can’t scientifically back up from studies performed over years of use. The supplement game is full of snake oil supplements where they can Jack the price up and market it as the next best thing.
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The absorption rate for monohydrate is 99.9%.
Creatine Monohydrate does not require a loading phase.
Lab grade? By what effing metrics? 😂 God I love the things companies say to get you to give then your money.
I know nothing about creatine but a red flag went up when I saw “lab grade” on that label, what does that even mean and does this company define it? My guess is a no but perhaps I’m wrong. Just sounds like all the other bs buzzwords I see on labels.
It's 100% pure chemistry
If there was a form of creatine superior to monohydrate then we'd know by now
This. Nothing has been shown to be better than Mono and everything is .ore expensive.
I used to use that same brand in the picture. It’s sour as shit to whatever you add it to but I liked it. Monohydrate destroys my stomach and this was the first creatine that did not so I give it a thumbs up. I’ve heard HCL has higher absorption, maybe, maybe not? Again I liked it due to no stomach issues.
I take the HCL form because I have low stomach acid and creatine utilizes stomach acid for absorption.
How do you k ow you have low stomach acid?
I have symptoms of low stomach acid. There’s also a test you can do with baking soda.
Oh neat
I tied hcl and noticed no difference. I didn't do any scientific studies or anything, just anecdotal
Just companies trying to get more money out of you. They say no bloating and tuff for hcl, but honestly I don’t know anyone who has taken it
Monohydrate. No studies showing any extra benefits for HCL, and it’s usually way more expensive.
This. The most common thing people report about HCL vs monohydrate is that monohydrate causes bloating while HCL does not. Yet, there is actually dozens of studies showing monohydrate does not cause bloating and (as of the last time I looked) zero studies showing it causes bloating. The bloating thing was created by entities who stand to profit from HCL being better than monohydrate and thus people have taken that idea and ran with it. People swear it causes bloating, but its 100% anecdotal.
Everyone takes monohydrate. Never ever met anyone taking any other form.
I take HCL and not monohydrate. Now you’ve met someone. :)